But Joe Obi, Special Assistant (Media) to Oduah, argued that the minister should be commended rather than condemned for what she has done in the ministry and dismisses allegations that she is pursuing an ethnic agenda. “I think the minister needs to be commended. [size=20pt]There was no lopsidedness in terms of Federal Character in the appointments. Those within the agencies who merited promotion but were unduly stagnated by previous administrations have been promoted[/size],” he told TheNEWS.



this explains it all , there have been a backlog of people who are to be promoted but hausa and yerimba tribalist have been bringing their people from their caves to occupy those positions.

at least igbos will do a good job and spread their wealth to all parts of nigeria,everybody benefits from the igbo man one way or the other that we cannot say about the hausas and yorubas, my only concern is that the south south is not represented in any of these civil services ,GEJ should better fix his people somewhere especially the oil sector.

smakcad: i hope this doesnt affect the image of other nigerians coming into the US

what image do the so called other nigerians have?

Tenderly1: I've noticed that most eastern states are backward,and they claim that there are improvment. Could the problem be spiritual or lack of góod governaceplease drop useful comment.

PS :abeg una i no be yoruba ooo

why not tell us your state of origin so that we can compare it with the eastern states or point out the states doing better than eastern states .

Prof Corruption: Why do Igbo like the word "most" ? Most educated, most successful, most enlightened, most this most that.

agree or disagree with the op and stop behaving like an imbac..ile

he is a humble man but no the most educated, its even impossible to point out most educated man, where does such happen.

mrhansome12: Make una leave de ode him landlord na Igboman and his rent is due, the landlord is threating 2 send him packing but he no get money 2 pay for his rent cus his agbero job no de pay wella Fashola don drive dem commot 4 parks, he is here 2 show his frustration against his igbo landlord thru de java phone he stole at a park sometime ago

lmfao .fashola don burn their okada join , how can one be economically stranded in his own region , i no blame them sha rather i pity them . they are bad economics students thats if they teach economics in the south west at all.

[quote author=booqee]Igbo pipo?! tufiakpa!
Beht okorocha fall my hands. My younger bro don't even fight over seats! Jeez! [/quotedammm your so ugly

gboss4sure: I doubt this story, I don't think Rochas will descend so low to fight over a seat.

of course its a false story , all governors have seats inevery occasion , only a dumbite will believe this fabricated news and trust nairaland moderators with low IQ to put it on front page

gbadexy: Achebe opened up the front so am going to use his statement.
I think it is the individualism complex and dislike of heirachy that prevents them from living peacefully beyond a village unit.
But a group of people that isn't united can't advance, america is powerful today because all the states came together and old soviet union were very powerful because of their unity then.
Yoruba has oyo empire and history as a people, edos have same with bini kingdom, the hausas too have sokoto caliphate with their history, the ibos were unable to come together beyond village level and it was due to the arrival of the whiteman that they were organised into region and states and even at that, there is always suspicion and disaffection amongst them.
I think ibos have the most to lose in a divided nigeria; how would biafra land with ibos living all alone together be.
The ndi igbo day was stopped because of disagreement amongst the governors, the region changed senate president like clothes during their turn, they changed PDP chairmanship post during their turn, instigated by the chairman's state governor! The APGA pan ibo party has constant internal wrangling, there is always someone to sell out to the other tribe in power (during babangida and abacha's regime).
I think achebe should have used his book to give beneficial advice to his kinsmen and tell them the truth rather than deceive them and glamorize the vices that is keeping them apart.

are you high , show me when yorubas have ever been united, should i remind you of operation wettie meanwhile yorubas leaders are currently engaged in a bitter war so shut your trap or is it the north that are blowing themselves to pieces is your idea of unity? common sense is not common indeed .



[size=15pt]The former governor of Osun State said that the Yoruba leaders were mere political liabilities in any party they find themselves. According to him, their actions never came to him as a surprise because “the three of them are glorious political beggars who have lost relevance in the nation’s politics.” Not done yet, Akande who is the National Chairman of Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN), noted that Fasoranti, Adebanjo and Falae are always in Government Houses to beg for crumbs. “The so-called leaders are only looking for what they will eat.[/size]
https://www.nairaland.com/1080536/yoruba-leaders-dirty-fight

Yomieluv: if i say ibos are silly tribes,people go talk say i don start again.

why on earth,should someone fight over chair?
it shows the stupidity,and uncalled arrogance of the leaders of the dejected tribe called ibos.

it can never happen in a yoruba gathering..

i wonder,why the flood didnt flush the eastern part from the map of Nigeria.

silly tribe.

[size=20pt]The Alaafin of Oyo, Lamidi Olayiwola Adeyemi, has warned royal fathers and chiefs in Yorubaland, to desist from engaging in open physical confrontation, describing such as a disgrace to the institution of Obaship.

It will be recalled that two monarchs in Ogun State, the Olu of Itori, Akorede Akamo and Baale Lapeleke, Adisa Akinremi , recently engaged in a public confrontation. Also, about three years ago there was a fight between Onigboho of Igboho, John Oyetola Bolarinwa and his counterpart from Igbope during the traditional meeting at Oorelope Local Government area in Igboho.[/size]
http://thepost-ng.com/alaafin-flays-monarchs-physical-combat/


na today , yoruba leaders have been fighting in public. meanw[b]hile which kin bleaching be dis na[/b]

Yomieluv: if ur silly tribe is better than mine,what are u doing on my land,ode

common sense is not common but i wont educate you, keep wallowing in ignorance after all its to our own benefit that your ignorant and st upid.

and yet some people will call achebe a tribalist for pointing out the obvious, bunch of bitter bastards, the more you hate the more we deal with you economically

Yomieluv: Amen,no mind those riffraffs called ibos.
God made a mistake by creating that tribe.

zicobaba: ACHEBE, “You get sense and common sense but YOU are not wise at all“ .

how is he not wise?

cjrane:


Hehehehe, treachery and backstabbing is the typical Yoruba man's nature.

dont mind them , they will be the first to shout that others are not united.

The recent cold war among some Yoruba leaders has generated a public discourse. SINA FADARE in this report examines the contending issues. The political battle in Ondo State as regards who gets what by October 20, has knocked the head of leaders of Yoruba socio-cultural organisation, Afenifere, against each other. It was the former governor of Osun State, Chief Bisi Akande who fired the first salvo by calling the likes of Chiefs Reuben Fasoranti, Ayo Adebanjo and Olu Falae as political jobbers who are always pitching their tents where their bread is going to be buttered. Akande spoke on the premise of the recent endorsement of Governor Olusegun Mimiko of Ondo State, by the Afenifere leaders for a second term, when they attended Mimiko’s declaration in Akure. T[size=15pt]he former governor of Osun State said that the Yoruba leaders were mere political liabilities in any party they find themselves. According to him, their actions never came to him as a surprise because “the three of them are glorious political beggars who have lost relevance in the nation’s politics.” Not done yet, Akande who is the National Chairman of Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN), noted that Fasoranti, Adebanjo and Falae are always in Government Houses to beg for crumbs. “The so-called leaders are only looking for what they will eat[/size]. Of what relevance are they? They cannot point to any individual as their followers even in their home state,” he asserted. Akande pointed out that their bad luck and poor political antecedent crumbled Afenifere, the socio-cultural organisation of the Yoruba. He further referred to them as fake Awoists.



Since Akande has thrown pebbles into the camp of his political adversaries, it was not a surprise that missiles were equarly hurdled back at him for his “caustic tongue”. Reacting to Akande’s allegation, Adebanjo said that the former governor was an ingrate because he was the chairman of the party that made him governor in 1999.

Adebanjo lashed out at Akande for describing him (Adebanjo) as a fake Awoist, saying Akande was ignorant and ill-informed about Awoism.

Adebanjo noted that if Akande had confined his criticism on him as being an electoral liability, he would have ignored him, because he was too junior to him, but will not accept the label of a fake Awoist.

“I would have ignored him and would not have bothered to dignify his ignorant and ill informed statement which has become his singsong criticism of me without any response. The reason for this is simple. He is too junior to me politically for me to enter into political disputation with him. But when he opened his mouth so wide...

I believe Bisi Akande is indeed what the Yoruba will call, “Omo Atiro to lo da bata fun baba e oro lofe gbo” (literally means, the son of a lame father who thoughtlessly bought a pair of shoes for his father he needs to be reminded the physical position of his father),” Adebanjo said.

He pointed out that there were strong and notable Awoists who never contested elections, but lived their entire lives within the dictates and tenets of the philosophy of the late sage, Chief Obafemi Awolowo, adding that he had no regret to have shared something in common with such people. While he likened Akande’s outbursts against their support for Mimiko to cheap blackmail and gratuitous insult, Adebanjo challenged the former governor to say what “crumbs” he collected from his table when he was governor.

“It is cheap blackmail and gratuitous insult for Akande to allege that our support for Mimiko was to collect crumbs from his table. Chief Akande should tell the whole world what crumbs I collected from his table when he was governor of Osun State and I was the chairman of the party. Such unguarded and irresponsible statement is least expected from somebody who is a chairman of a national party however figurative he may be holding the post,” he said.

If Adebanjo was full of anger on the pronouncement of Akande, Falae was embarrassed and could not hide his feeling when he noted that the former governor has penchant for rudeness and unguided statement.

The former joint presidential candidate of AD/ANPP in the 1999 election pointed out that Akande was a dreamer who probably did not know what he was talking about. He said: “What bad luck did he mean I brought to Alliance for Democracy (AD)? In Osun State where he contested the governorship in 1999, I scored more votes than he did. So, who brought better luck? “It is my prerogative and right to belong to a party of my choice and Akande is also free to belong to a party of his choice. He is in the ACN; have you ever heard me criticise him for doing so?

Why is he criticising me now for belonging to a party of my choice and the party collaborating to support a particular candidate, just as the AD did with the All Peoples Party (APP) in 1999?” The former Secretary to the Government of the Federation (SGF) further pointed out that “there is no sense in what Akande was saying at all.

It is just out of bitterness; he has a penchant for rudeness and I don’t want to take him on. I am an elder statesman and all he has said are empty and meaningless.” However, Akande’s outburst raised some fundamental questions, is it true that the people he attacked are really beggars and political liabilities?

How can one refer to a former Minister of Finance and SGF as a beggar? Is Adebanjo who had made his name in property law over 40 years still a beggar? How about Fasoranti who was commissioner in the old Ondo State in the Second Republic? Political pundits believe that it is out of place for Akande to describe these elder statesmen who had traversed the political turf of the country in the last five decades as beggars.

Could Akande still remember that the same Adebanjo he referred to as a non-issue in the political turf was the chairman of AD and one of those who screened him before he was considered as the gubernatorial candidate of AD and eventually the governor of Osun-State in 2003? Perhaps the big question which political observers are asking Akande is: When has it become a crime that somebody joins the party of his choice and where he goes or who he supports at any point in time? Also, is it mandatory for everybody to belong to the same political party or share the same political ideology?

[size=15pt]It will not be out of place to say that the Afenifere bond that joined all of them together suddenly cut due to avarice, greed, deceit, ambition and personal ego. [/size]Some pundits, however, noted that if it is true that Adebanjo and his co-travellers are not political beggars as Akande called them, how are they going to justify their tour of the South-West governors in 2008, when the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) was in control? This action, according to political observer, was a dignified way of saying ‘please don’t forget us’.

The Yoruba leaders will not forget in a hurry how they were humiliated in Osogbo, the Osun State capital when pebbles and sachets of water were pelted on them, though they were compensated in Ogun State where Otunba Gbenga Daniel warmly welcomed them as governor. Therefore, looking at the issue from this premise, Akande may be right; after all he was on a familiar terrain, but may be lacked the right language to use.

Akande raised a fundamental question of fake Awoist. But is it by putting a round pair of glasses and donning a round cap to match that qualifies somebody as an Awoist? Or the constant visit to Ikenne, the home of the late sage, to register once presence during one social occasion or the other, makes somebody an Awoist? Or by leaving each day as if it was the last in the service to humanity, no matter how little it may be qualifies one as Awoist?

These are the numerous questions which political pundits are asking. Prof. Adebayo Williams succinctly answered these questions in his lecture delivered at the 17th annual Obafemi Awolowo lecture on march 5, 2004 in Lagos, where he lamented that majority of the so-called Awoist have abandoned the tenets, principles and ideologies left behind by the late sage.

“I am sure if Chief Awolowo were to come back today, to see the trail of deserters, the thick pall of perfidy, the surging number of apostates who shout his name in vain, the estrangement among his true followers and the stark diminution in power and status of Afenifere, he would probably observe with great sadness and characteristic forthrightness.” The scenario painted by the renowned essayist is still relevant and germane till today.

The elders should go back to the drawing board and sort things out with all sincerity and sense of purpose, as time is not on their sides.

The cold war between the leaders of Yoruba started since 2003 when the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) swept the South- West excluding Lagos. The governors produced by the PDP were not seen as being part of Afenifere. With the development, Afenifere could not speak in one voice again. But soon, some leaders of the group started romancing with the new PDP governors. Then crises set in Afenifere, especially about the leadership.

The group was factionalised. The crisis led to the formation of Afenifere Renewal Group (ARG).

While Akande, former governor of Lagos State governor, Bola Tinubu and others led one group, Fasoranti, Adebanjo, Falae and others lead the old Afenifere. Since then, the trio have not been in the camp of the ACN.

This explains the altercation with Akande over their political affinity.

http://nationalmirroronline.net/index.php/politics/48768.html

ihebrooke:


You are just silly. Where in the world would people not behave unseemingly?

You wonder why the flood didn't flush the eastern part.

Do you think that it is only the ibos that occupy the eastern part. Most of your brothers are here too. Foolish thought pattern.

hapu ndi iberibe ka ha na eme ka ozu nwulu anwu

kmariko: On immigration the theoritical projection is skewered.

[size=14pt]Katsumoto quote[/size] "What Achebe sees as advancement in the form of Igbos settling in other places, others call it migration to seek opportunities in more evolved societies. Competitiveness and individualism meant that Alaigbo was not as evolved as other Nigerian societies. This competitiveness and individualism is still the reason why there is net migration from Alaigbo to other parts of Nigeria. For instance, there are Americans and Brits in Nigeria but there are more Nigerians in those societies than there citizens in Nigeria. Nigerians do well in those more evolved societies, better than some citizens in those countries but it would be foolish for Nigerians to claim that the society is evolved because of their presence."

Historically Europe was more developed than the Americas, right. Depending whom you believe Columbus or the vikings, they made their way to America, creating a NET immigration to a RAW continent, which they have to develop, same goes to Australia and the leading colonisation of Africa and the rest of the world. In other words there was a net migration to Americas and Australia occassioned by individaul attributes and not continental demands.. The cliche of the Rugged individualism of the West, As daniel McLaughlin put it "Rugged individualists took pride in not being dependent on anyone. They had a motive to be responsible their own lives and actions, which necessarily meant he or she had to be productive. This does not mean that individualists didn't care about other people or were unsociable or uncharitable. During the period of time most associated with rugged individualism, the wild, wild west in America of the 1800's, the earliest institutions of those settlers included schools and churches. People can take responsibility for their own lives and yet also participate in social and charitable activities. They aren't mutually exclusive."

Fast forward to 2000-2008 there is a net migration from Australia to USA, but Australia from your definition has evolved , so why then leave their highly evolved society to USA. One can say the same for the Nordic countries. Also the Japanese whom you bear the same name -lol do emigrate more to the USA than vice versa.

People migrate for all sorts of reasons. And I guess the migration of the ethnic Igbo groups are for reasons best known to them and it cannot be because of just one.,., Do not forget that ultimately it is individuals and families that make these decisions not the congregation of ethnic groups.

Though I acknowledge that there is some element of fact in your theory but will the p- value when checked rigorously bear out with other facts as regards reasons for immigration.

thanks

you just ate that mofo for dinner.

vislabraye:


What is the truth? Stop spreading the gospel of hatred it will do you no good.
I have both Ibos and Yorubas as friends and I relate with them on a personal basis.
I'm sure you were not born during the civil war. So what you get is a one sided narration. Why can't you all move on with life?
If the Ibos are hated as you said, why are they accepted in every state of the nation? I'm not talking about the North cos of BH issues.

Chinua is very disappointing.I don't think the Ibos have suffered half of what the blacks suffered in SA during apertheid talkless of what the Jews suffered. In the case of the civil war, the Effiks, the Ibibios, the Ijaws, Bini etc suffered as well. So what are we saying?

the only version we have of the civil war is the version of nigerian govt , now people on the other side like chinua are narrating their own version and your mad at them for that? everybody have suffered and are suffering does not mean people should not say the truth . are we so used to lies that the truth have become shocking.

ba7man: Pls, to the Igbos, these threads aren't necessary since you claim to be better than the other tribes now. I can't hop out of my car to start telling a roadside hawker how rich i am.....Since you're better,enjoy it and don't buzz the peace online.

capitalism comes with competitions , nobody said igbos are better than others , every ethnic group or individuals have areas where they perform best and achebe is suggesting the govt tap into that just as advanced nations do rather than allowing mediocrity like federal character and all that rubbish. read well and digest before commenting.claiming that nigeria is the giant of africa or that nollywood is the biggest movies industry in africa does not mean your insulting other african nations rather it should be celebrated and even be a challenge to them.

shymexx:

Maybe, you guys need to start first by comparing yourselves to other ethnic groups in Nigeria - not Yoruba people..

Heck, there are over 250 ethnic groups in that country - go compare yourselves, achievements and lack thereof to the rest and leave us out of it...

When will Achebe stop name-dropping Yoruba

go and write your own memoir.why did obasanjo and soyinka mention igbos in his book?
we are not comparing ourselves with anybody , its people like you that are having sleepless nights over nothing.

shymexx:

Trust me, you can only taunt people for so long, before they react... I don't want war among black people, however, from what I've seen so far - it's inevitable... I don't think the two groups want to live together and judging on how fragile the Nigerian fabric is - it looks like that's going to be the end game...

The reaction of Yoruba people/academics/intellectuals also proves that..

stop insulting the igbo race, we dont fight tribal wars like you. how low can one descend. this is lowest of low. like i said earlier it forward ever and backward never . yorubas can start by not derailing threads about disintegration.
however if theres a gurantee that the fight will lead to the total disintegration of nigeria than thats fair enough if not then its not worth it.

ndu_chucks:

I thought we were discussing the candidacy of Okija and not Musiwa or are you accusing Okija of having multiple IDs which he plans to use to rig the election?. If enough people have nominated Okija, then put his name up for a vote along with the remaining candidates. Anything less will render your process severely flawed.

okija wetin ? the same guy that insults we igbos and side our enemies, noooo maybe you are even him.

shymexx: To be honest, the war between Yoruba people and Igbo people is closer than ever...

'The cloud is heavy' and it's going to be bloody - I'll like to see the aftermath of that...

I don't think anyone can stop that from happening, it's just about when it's going to happen...

you will end up fighting that war with yourself or between yourselves, remember operation wettie. we are not about to be dragged back by anyone or any group , its foward ever and backward never , no time for ape mentality, counter the prof with your facts or shut up

PROUD-IGBO:


^^^With all due respect, you're talking rubbish!

Don't imply ulterior motives to his write-up just b'cos you can't handle the truth, or maybe b'cos your hatred or jealousy of Igbos wouldn't let you view his write-up disspassionately and without sentiments.

Nowhere did he say Igbos are superior genetically (as Hitler thought the Aryan race was), but rather his argument is that due to cultural factors, Igbos would thrive in a FAIR environment that rewards hardwork based on individual effort, competitiveness and being anwerable to no one but God (ie- having a republican, individualistic spirit); if Yorubas and Hausa/Fulani had such a cultural environment they would be indistinguishable from Igbos and Nigeria would be the better for it.....then there wouldn't be any need for backstabbing, envy, seeing gov't patronage as the only means to survival, quota system/federal Character, etc.

It's all about nuture (environmental factors shaping ones character and outlook in life) as against nature (managing to get by in life based mainly on the cards you've been dealt with by nature).

Achebe was spot on!....but then again, i don't expect certain peoples to agree with him.

dont blame them , blame our educational system. people lack comprehension skills.

shymexx:

Maybe, if Achebe didn't mention Yoruba in his nonsense, Yoruba people won't be on this thread, no?? Just maybe...

And maybe, if Igbos don't go about taunting their hosts in Lagos that they make up 90% of the population - and stay trying to become a governor there, Yoruba people won't attack them...

You guys stay generating negative energy and hatred upon yourselves - and the push comes to shove, you'll start playing the blame game... To be honest, I'm starting to believe everything Dr. Ozuji said in "Why do Igbos go Around Looking for Trouble." The guy knows Igbos better than anyone - and I'll read more of his scholarship!!

why should he not mention awolowo or yorubas, are you not part of this country? why do you mention that igbos carried out 1966 coup ? who gave you licnse to mention igbos? dispute his claims and stop turning it into tribal war. as for looking for trouble yorubas have said more disgusting thing about igbos than igbos on yorubas so lets not even go there. its not a surprise that its only in yoruba websites that such happen , igbo websites promote all nigeria cultures and african culture and music so you are the ones taunting us.

blasterman: oh our land Nigeria bloody fool now ur head don they correct small small. If them no talk sense into ur dense brain u would not reason.

nigeria or no nigeria we will survive but we still believe we are better of without nigeria, why do you have a problem with that? why does it pain you soo much that some people dont want to be part of this country, check yourself.

shymexx:

No one asked him to say that - and you don't see Yoruba academics talking about past glory...

Perhaps, we can both agree that Achebe thrives on trbalism, no??

we do , yorubas brag every day about being politically sophiscated and nobody is cutting anybody head for that. you claim yorubas are the most educated and we try to prove you wrong with facts and not tribal war. use your heads for one. prove him wrong with facts and not insulting igbo people

~Royal~:


Yeah i know he is the Owner of the site..i was asking of what group though..

What Ethnic group is He from...

yoruba

shymexx:

Bitter? What's there to be bitter about?

Are Igbos superior to any group in Nigeria? Absolutely not... If anything, Northerners should be the ones screaming superiority because they have held everyone on the chokehold in the country... They run Nigeria!!!

You guys need to get back to nation building and stop making noise all over the web - it's getting annoying... If you're not blaming people for genocide, you're claiming to be superior...

The question is: when are Igbos going to stop blowing their own trumpets based on stupid comparisons and get back to nation building??

what superiority , your the ones getting mad at anything igbo without reading it, your the ones threatning to take igbos people land and house that they laboured for, your the ones crying about how igbos are in lagos yet you attack any thread that has to do with disintegration.

~Royal~:


What is Seun by the Way?

The Owner is of what group....

seun is the owner of nairaland , the chief tribalist.

shymexx: Igbos remind of Nigerians who brag about being the most educated in America, yet Nigeria is still a cesspit...

You brag to African Americans over there, yet they have a higher GDP than the whole Subsaharan Africa combined(excluding South Africa), despite having a population of about 39 million people...

You guys need to change this skewed mentality, and focus on Nation building...

you didnt call it bragging whne he claimed yorubas started first but its now bragging when he claimed igbos caught up. is it in your dna or what?