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The Yoruba Question III: Culture of Anarchy/Infants
By
Spinoza
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Intelligent people prefer to agree rather than to obey. Military people prefer to obey rather than to agree. In the academia, where intelligent people gather together to learn and teach, the former is the case; independent and intelligent people work together on the basis of consent, not of command. In the army of any nation, the latter is the case because the nature of the affairs therein requires that soldiers follow commands rather than agree or disagree whenever they feel like doing so. Most other human beings or human organizations or societies fall in-between: they either prefer to obey and agree, or disagree and obey, or disobey and agree, or disagree and disobey, depending on the situation. For example, when an unjust law is passed in some democratic nations, the citizens often disagree with the law. To show their displeasure with the law, they often disobey the law as a way registering their disapproval. They would do this with the understanding that the courts would get involve in litigations and conflicts associated with the new law. The rationale is often that the body that makes the law is different from the body that enforces and applies the law. By disobeying the law, the citizens would get the courts involved in deciding the justice of the law.

But the Yoruba people are nowhere in these frameworks of human interaction. Wherever you find two or three Yoruba people, the words and phrases ‘order’, ‘intelligent disagreement’, ‘orderly agreement or disagreement’, and ‘rational disobedience’ are often lacking because the Yoruba people are not cut out to exist in civilized relationships. They are worst than the beasts and lions in the wild because their culture is a culture rooted in anarchy. Even if they go through many years of training in either military or academic institutions, the Yoruba people are still worse than the beasts in the wild. Ekiti is a perfect example here.

Ekiti is supposedly a state in Yoruba South West where every Yoruba therein has a PhD or an advanced degree from an institution of higher learning. Ekiti is like the city of Boulder in Colorado or like Iowa City in the state of Iowa, where every person is associated with an institution of higher learning.[b] Yet, Ekiti is the center and hub of deadly, machete-wielding thugs, who will never allow an election or peaceful gathering to take place. All the politicians therein maintain groups of deadly gangs as the only means of winning elections or governing the state. Ekiti produced the likes Peter Ayodele Fayose who has a PhD and yet believes and acts as if having a name like Hussein Obama makes Obama a terrorist. By virtue of his PhD, you would think that Peter Fayose is a free-thinking man who uses his brain to analyze and solve problems rather than looking to command and order other people around. But no, the norms of his Yoruba culture are so ingrained in his being that governing by consent or disagreement means nothing to him. This is why he had to murder a journalist simply for asking him questions. Today, he is still one of the forces to be reckoned with in Ekiti politics - because the Yoruba culture considers murder and murderers as the essential ingredients of government and of running the affairs of their masses. Whatever holds in Ekiti is also true in all other Yoruba states.[/b]

In Yoruba Oyo State, a 100-year-old thug called Lamidi Adedibu conquered and occupied the state from 1998 to 2008. Adedibu trained and maintained deadly thugs with the help of Olusegun Obasanjo as the president of Nigeria. The two old thugs murdered in Churches and Mosques without spending a day in prison because the Yoruba culture sanctioned and supported this brand of politicking.

In Yoruba state of Kwara, Olusola Saraki is the king of deadly thugs. His son took over the gangs of thugs from him. His daughter is about to be crowned the next queen of Kwara thugs. From the early 1980’s to the present day, Kwara State has never been governed by somebody elected by the Yoruba masses. The Yoruba Saraki Crime Family is not interested in participatory democracy where the masses determine who preside over their affairs. Senior Saraki imposed his own daughter as the Senator, he imposed his own son as the Governor, and he is about to impose the same daughter as the next Governor of the Yoruba state. Competency, empowerment, and knowledge are not vocabularies in Yoruba politics because immaturity and incompetence are consistent with Yoruba norms, and incompetent Yoruba people can only be empowered or disempowered by their own incompetent Yoruba thugs.

The Yoruba state of Osun produced two notorious thugs, Iyiola Omisore and Olagunsoye Oyinlola. Iyiola Omisore murdered Bola Ige for Olusegun Obasanjo, and Obasanjo rewarded him with his current Senate position in the Nigeria National Assembly. Bola Ige, a Yoruba man, was murdered while he was the sitting Attorney General of Nigeria, and every Yoruba man knows that Iyiola Omisore pulled the trigger. Yet, these people are happy that a murderer is representing them in the capacity of a Senator. It is as if you must become a murderer or a thug in Yoruba land to be somebody in the politics of Yoruba people.

Further, consider the words of Olagunsoye Oyinlola, the current Governor of Osun State, and another respected Yoruba politician in Yoruba land (these are words of strategy on how to conduct an election in Yoruba Ekiti State; the sentiments they express are not as strange as they sound because they are not worse than what came from the mouths of Lamidi Adedibu and Olusegun Obasanjo):

“We will supply all the sixteen local government chairmen in Ekiti, particularly the affected ten local governments where the gubernatorial elections will be conducted, with army uniforms, arms and ammunitions. You people will give these to your supporters who will camouflage like army personnel at the respective voting centers so that these will aid them in the rigging of the election by intimidating the voters and allowing the voters not to come out to vote. The only people that will come out will be the PDP”

Either there is something in the water and food these people drink and eat in Yoruba land or this is part of their nurture and upbringing. I submit that the later is in fact the case. When every politician in the Yoruba South West is a deadly thug and behaves and thinks like a deadly thug, even when they are educated, one can not but conclude that the style of leadership and manner of thinking in that part of Nigeria are parts and parcels of the Yoruba cultural norms.

When anarchic thinking and authoritarian mindset are common among the Yoruba leaders and people, one cannot help but believe that these types of behaviors and thinking are part of what makes these people Yoruba. If not, find me a Yoruba state where deadly thugs are not in huge supply and where election-rigging and murder are not part of Yoruba politics.

Show me a Yoruba community where the likes of Obafami Awolowo, Lamidi Adedibu, Olusegun Obasanjo, Patrice Etteh, Olagunsoye Oyinlola, Iyiola Omisore, and Dimeji Bankole are not considered the “best” Yoruba politicians and presented to Nigeria as the “best” from the Yoruba culture.

Give me another explanation and reason Nigeria is slouching to the Stone Age after a Yoruba man ruled the nation for eight years, from 1999 to 2007, like a wild monkey and murdered many people and still exist as the “best” politician of Africa in the eyes of many Yoruba people.

Show me the reason Nigeria is not going anywhere soon other than the stifling presence of the backward mindset of the Yoruba infants. Educate me on who have infested Nigeria like a deadly virus with their culture of anarchy and backwardness other than the Yoruba people and their Ekiti-style of madness.

Until these Yoruba issues are resolved, and as long as the Yoruba people exist as a part of Nigeria, I predict that Nigeria is doomed forever. Intelligent individuals and masses can be persuaded with ideas and logic, but there is no amount of logic or intelligent ideas to be applied to change the behavior of wild beasts and congenital infants from Yoruba land, and you know this, because you see it in Yoruba lifestyle, behaviors, thoughts, and actions.


i still dey laugh oo

c.fours:
you already know.

I can see that you are proud of your trouble-making character.
maybe if you stopped chest-beating, you will stop getting Bottom-whooping from us.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-873527.0.html

na you just need to step up your game and catch up. meanwhile what will be the fate of yorubas in kwara and kogi

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-873880.0.html

c.fours:
learn to mind your business when it comes to yoruba and hausa matters. we are the only two civilized large ethnic groups remaining in the country.
we deal with our matters civilly either with the sword or with a handshake.

only igbos will go around b[i]rea[/i]st beating like apes thinking they are accomplishing anything 

i laugh in zulu , civilized in what exactly?

as for igbos chest beating well its not our fault thats what achievers  do ,chest beast , that way the younger ones will get to know about you and aspire to achieve even greater heights than you

c.fours:
classic biafran-igbo post.
bet you were one of those (only-truth and co) with biafran flags all over your profile late last month.

and what is wrong with biafran flag, typical brain dad mallam , at least massob are not killing innocent people like boko harem or harras people like opc

c.fours:
shut up. no where did he pretend to be biafran-igbo.
you must be a fool to think that nigerian-igbos do not exist.

who told you am a biafran igbo? like everyother erson that have a brain and common sense i support renegociation via snc , true federalism and possibly a break up if those dont work ,i dont see what biafra has to do with that.

Nnenna1:
Sometimes I weep for Nigeria and much of Africa.

Hopefully the likes of Ghana and Botswana will continue to succeed where we have failed miserably.

nne it will be over soon , theres nothing good about people that claim to be your fellow country men but will stab you with dagger at the mere command of their religious leaders while their relations enjoy peace and stability in your own land

ndu_chucks:
Those Igbos who are calling for biafra are in major denial. They still think that the population of Nigeria is 50million as it was back in 1966, little do they know that it would be almost impossible to relocate a minimum of 20 million Igbos to the SE without some sort of population reduction scheme or some other Ijaw land encroachment mechanism.  

My people remain in denial.

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total population of igbos both is about 30 million and over 25million of that reside in the southeast and southsouth so i really dont get your point, if tiny lagos can contain 25 million people with lots of space remaining then i dont see why you should develop headache. igbos and their neighbours including the  ijaws know their boundries that why you never see us fighting for boundry unlike how some groups go and fight land owners claiming their land.back to topi , why do you want to seize yorubaland.

bakila:
This Ibo people just the make noise they never read the man story well. Some of them the push drugs abroad and them come the pose, the denge de pose me zan je inyi barci amma kapunan. In the North we many ethnic groups Yoruba inclusive. Ibo as Nigerias have spread into all parts of Nigeria to look for food, cloth and shelter. Those who are hating on Nairaland may be doing so out od security concern in the North, We pray that the Almighty in his Infinate mercy bring normalcy to the North the Home of most ethnic groups in Nigeria primarily or by fact of movement. If Nigeria break up ibo will need visa to go to Dan Anacha and Iware. Spareparts, buldingmaterials, timber dealers go hear wein.
Ekt-bear, onlythruth a word is enough for the wise.

rubbish can you compare the population of igbos in the north to igbos in the united states. mumu ,igbos in the north are buisness men that starte with their money while your people in igboland are all over the place begging and doing almajiro placing a burden on not just igboland but the whole country.

nagoma:
@Bashr8

[b]You only know how to eat meat but you don't know how to rear cattle [/b]and it seems the uncaring government of Nigeria never heard of what is called a grazing reserve. The reasons why Fulani cattle keep straying into people's farms is the absence of agricultural and dairy framework for the country. Countries that care for it's meat production and not just meat eating does not leave the meat production just to the pastoral Fulani without any enforceable and carefully planned guidelines. The fulanis have struggled for centuries to provide you lazy couch potatoes with meat and single handedly with no government support and no demarcated grazing areas. ( there was during the colonial period and a few years after ). Another thing you need to know is that , there are more disputes between the Fulani cattle rearers and the Hausa/ Fulani farmers in the north because there are more pastoralists in the north and also more peasant farmers and I can assure you that the cows do not discriminate between farms belonging to Yoruba , Hausa or indeed a Fulani farmer they just see everything that looks like animal food and they eat. No one can justify the  Fulani action  in this unjust invasions into farms but the government should show a sense of responsibility and support the fulanis who work day and night to make sure that we have enough meat by just providing guidelines and enfacing the same. The new North will not waste any time in doing this among many other things. Other countries also east meat , but they have grazing tegu stops & land reserves for grazing animals.

nonsense is cattle the source of meat? igbos rear chicken , turkey ,goat, fish ,snail and aturu(nama). we have the largest rice production mill in ebonyi ,we have variety of vegetables plus yam and cassava and lots more , anyother thing we need we can buy from whoever is selling after all we have the money.

nagoma:
@freegaza

Ba shakka.

Borno state area - 70.898 sq km
Enugu state area - 7.161sq km
Abia   State area - 6.320 sq km
Ebonyi State area - 5.670 sq km
Imo state area.    - 5.1 sq km
Anambra state area- 4.844 sq km.

Total Area SE  = 29.095 sq km.

Which is 41% of the area of Borno state's 70.898 sq km. ( that is much less than half of Borno state)

with all that land yet you still want to seize yorubaland.

freegaza:
@Bash Wow!!! so the whole iboland is not upto a single state?how many fulani/hausa/kanuri are in the south and how many igbos are in the north?I cant wait,go back to your state we dnt need you

are you just realizing that  , we have been telling you for ages that you dont need us and we dont need you , good morning

bakila:
Nuhu abi calles him a hero, Hero who ran to abijan, joined NPN, contested gainst Onwudiwe of NPP -IGBO PARTY OF THAT TIME. Yahhh, he was humble to run away, humbled enough to join Shagari in NPN, HUMBLED IN DEATH dressed in greenwhitgreen for everyong to see him paraded in the full authority like of Nigeria like Kabiru Sokoto present version of biafra. We get brian my own is more analytic than yours. We are ready for breakup or any talks anybody who takes step of secession will be dealt with. Get that between you eyes hope there is something in between that will retain it.
Nuhu our leaders indeed. Leave politicians they will be the first to kill you if you talk about secession in the east.

focus on the topic, why should yorubaland kwara, kogi and maybe oyo go to hausa fulanis?

freegaza:
@nagoma,da gaske borno is bigger than d whole SE?

and so what , yet you hausa keep invading all the southern states especially yorubaland and jos killing them just for your cows to feed, if you have soo much land why do you invade other peoples land by force, why are you threatning to seize kwara state? and why do keep importing almajiros to the south to come and beg?

ndu_chucks:
I hope you understand what you are asking.  The answer to the question once again is the trivial answer. What is not trivial is the fact that the "we" in your question may not chose the same destiny as you do. Most of the Igbos here at home in Nigeria, a majority of  who reside outside of the SE, no not want the country to be broken up and do not share your belief in separation. The noisemakers on this particular issue are residents of diaspora.

And ezeokwu, the average Igbo is busy making a living in every part of Nigeria and would prefer not to be turned to a stranger or a second class citizen in the East.

This is the kind of ignorant generalization which makes you a bigot and a fool, dan tselewa.

Please define who an Igbo person is. What  percentage of Igbo blood would render a person Igbo and how do you maesure this percentage? olodo

The sad truth is that you focused on feeding your bigoted appetite and ignored the points NorthSharp was making. You do this at your own peril, as usual.

your propaganda of pretending to be igbo will not fly, igbos speak with one voice and we will always advocate for true federalism or total break up . mean while tel us why you hausa fulanis want to snatch yoruba land by force? ethnic map show there are no hausa fulanis in kwara or kogi so what is your buisness there.

found the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4icorYD_mE

Osiris.212:
^^^
Stop making yourself look very stup!d. Clifford Orji was based where? Lagos!! Not for the quick exposure by the south west media, fools like you would have been trying to associate south west with Clifford Orji. The famous Umahia-Ikot Ekpene axis is still in opeartion. . .A place where the whole villagers collude to rob in the day light, the village head is the chaiman of the kingpins. . . .


All the cannibals in south west are Ibos, so as most criminals. Just like Kidnapping, money rituals and child trafficking-FACT!

Fact is that, you would unlikely survive straying alone in any south eastern towns and villages. The famous Aba "corner" along Aba-PH road is still very active, . . .It is either arm robbery, money rituals,kidnapping for money or cannibalism . . .the probability of excaping the aforemention mention is very slim.

Fact again is that, No rich man in the east without a story of strong ritual connection. It is either his mom died mysteriously or his wife died in her sleep without any known sickness. Ibos and Cannibalism are one and thesame.

stop making up stories , clifford orji was just an assistant the the main cannibal who happened to be a yoruba man , meanwhile south west have always been known to pratice canibalism ,thats why some yorubas have been fighting to have it abolished but it just cant go away




you should be bothered about the rate of canibalism in yoruba land

A Nigerian man has been arrested after he killed a woman and ate her stewed intestines in a bid to cure an abnormally persistent Attention, police said on Wednesday.

A spokesperson for Osun state police said 50-year-old Folorunso Olukotun had led officers to his victim's disembowelled body in the bush near his home village in south-west Nigeria.

"According to the man's story, his private organ always has an Attention and it doesn't go down," Oluwole Ayodeji said. "Someone advised him to kill a woman and eat her intestines."

Olukotun ambushed his victim, a woman in her forties unknown to her attacker, on a path near her village. He attacked her with a machete, killed her, and took her intestines home, Ayodeji said.

'He seems to have believed them'
"He cooked them like a sort of stew and ate them with pounded yam," he said. "When the police arrived he was very open, we have his whole confession on tape and he has been remanded in custody."

The spokesperson said that police believe that someone had jokingly suggested cannibalism as a cure for Olukotun's problem, in the belief that he would never carry out such a killing.

"He seems to have believed them," he said. Police could not say whether the Attention has now subsided. - Sapa-AFP

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=68&art_id=qw1022058361787B252&set







We need legislation to eradicate rituals, cannibalism in yorubaland - Erelu Lola Ayonrinde -Raises posers on Oba Funso Adeolu’s corpse

Erelu Tunwase AyonrindeErelu Tunwase of Ode-Remo, Chief Lola Ayonrinde, who is the Otun Iyalode of Shomolu and Lagos District, and also the Yeye Akinrogun of Ikeji-Ile Ijesa was twice Mayor of the London Borough of Wandsworth. She talks to AYO-LAWAL GBENOBA on her campaign against human sacrifice and cannibalism in Nigeria. Excerpts:

WHAT is your campaign all about?
The ‘Say No To Cannibalism In Nigeria’ campaign is aimed towards eradicating the ancient and obnoxious practice of mutilating the bodies of traditional rulers after death. The rituals and sacrifices parts of the body of a dead king, especially in Western Nigeria, are used for are barbaric and a disgrace to the country in this 21st century. The movement is out to stop these evil practices which are not in consonant with the will of God and against the fundamental human rights of the affected traditional rulers. When a king dies, they say they have to give his heart to his successor on the throne to eat. They explained that it will make the new king strong and courageous but, is that not deceit? How can eating somebody’s flesh give courage to another person? They mutilate the remains of these kings and engage in fetish and obnoxious activities which add no value to anybody or the society in general.


Why do you need to feed an incoming royal father with the heart of a dead one? This cannibalism started with Christopher Colombus who believed that when a king ate the heart, or some other parts of a dead ruler, some major attributes of the dead was transferred to the new king. This is sheer cannibalism and has no place with God. And, I want the chiefs, the traditional rulers themselves and other stakeholders to know that any tradition that does not recognise God is doomed. The government must put a stop to this cannibalism going on in some parts of Nigeria because, it is even against the constitution of Nigeria. Section 38 subsection 1 of the Nigerian constitution gives every citizen the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, while section 17 subsection 26 declares that the sanctity of the human person shall be recognised and human dignity shall be maintained and enhanced. Where is the sanctity of the human person in all these? Where is human dignity?


What motivated this campaign?
I was very close to the late Alaye of Ode-Remo, Oba Funso Adeolu, the popular Chief Eleyinmi of the rested Village Headmaster soap opera. Few months after his death on August 21, 2008, he started appearing to me and I had months of traumatic haunting. In his lifetime, Oba Adeolu was a Christian and he made it known that he did not partake in anything fetish during his installation as king. He explicitly, several times, demanded that when death came calling, his corpse should be handed over to his family so that he could be given a proper Christian burial. However, his corpse was not released to the family. After his death, he appeared to me several times, and kept telling me about many things. He said his corpse was handed over to the ‘odis’ (slaves) who treated it like that of a criminal. They took bits and pieces of his remains for their own use while some parts were distributed to the four corners of the town.


It was while going round that I discovered what happened and I met some chiefs who confessed what happened but asked me to forget it because there was nothing we could do about it.

All the ‘odus’ of Ifa do not approve using human beings as sacrifice, the constitution does not approve and to crown it all, God Almighty frowns at this practice, they are doing it to appease whom? Some of the kings today are enlightened and those who are born again Christians, like Oba Adeolu, are renouncing these things. So, why hold on to an obnoxious and barbaric act? Oba Adeolu believed he would be given a decent burial and that is why his ghost has refused to rest. Even in Ijebuland, these things were abolished years ago and Ijebuland under the Awujale agreed they would bury kings according to their religion.


So, how do you hope to stop the practice?
We are canvassing that our traditional rulers should be buried whole, without being mutilated and it should be in the open. There is secrecy because of the evils attached. It is untenable scientifically that the heart is eaten for so and so reasons. To start with, let us have the installation of kings in the open, no aspect of the installation should be shrouded in secrecy. It should be a celebration of our culture so, why should it be shrouded in secrecy? When everything becomes transparent, it will even help younger ones to know more about our culture and we will be able to restore some of our societal values. Why should obas be laid to rest in a paganic manner? If a governor gives staff of office to a king, giving him recognition and authority, that king is under the governor so, why should the government condone barbarism in this age? The ministry of local government and chieftaincy affairs should do something about this, if not, the government is endorsing cannibalism. True that some of the kings went through these rituals during installation but those who opted out should be given that grace of opting out of the rituals in death. They should be buried according to their faith. The practice is a disgrace to the whole of South West because it is common there.


We are appealing to the traditional rulers who were installed through cannibalism to renounce it publicly and declare they don’t want their hearts to be eaten or other parts of their bodies to be used for any form of ritual. Abolition of slave trade took place years ago. So, why do we still have some people in Ode calling themselves slaves (‘odis’)? We need legislation to stop the barbaric act and we are appealing to our lawmakers to rise up to this task of eradicating cannibalism in Nigeria. There should be a law backing a king to opt out of fetish installation and burial and it should become an offence for anyone to tamper with the remains of a king, for whatever purpose, or to give the body to the ‘odi’ for rituals. The penalty should be without an option of fine so that the perpetrators would know how grave the offence is. The ‘odi’ in Ode can be given money to buy goat, ram, cow, or whatever they need for sacrifice, if they must, but there must be total abolition of human sacrifice in the country. Efforts are being made by some Ogun State traditional rulers to stop it but some feel the fetish practice must be protected. The government must detach itself from it.


Internationally, human sacrifice, cannibalism, witchcraft and sorcery are illegal so, why should it be done with impunity in Nigeria, a country that is known as the giant of Africa? Infact, politicians should begin to include the abolition of cannibalism in their campaign programmes, and party manifestos by 2010.


What efforts have you made so far to network and get people involved?
We give glory to Almighty God. I have spoken to so many kings who secretly don’t want it and we are telling them that they should make an open declaration against these evil practices. The campaign would be boosted if they do because people believe they all knew and agreed to these evil practices before being installed. We now call on the royal fathers again, in the name of Almighty God, to declare publicly that they don’t want these fetish practices to continue. I have carried the campaign to the international level so that Nigerians of affluence who are in diaspora would lobby the lawmakers and get a legal backing for the campaign to eradicate human sacrifice and cannibalism in Nigeria. A number of international media like the BBC have aired my interview on the campaign and some Nigerian people abroad are involved in the lobbying for a legislation to stop the obnoxious practices.


We call on the ‘oluwos’ and ‘odis’ in Ode to review the entrenched ill that has no value to the society. We appeal to them to accept cows and goats and allow our royal fathers to be buried according to their beliefs. Then, it was about time that the royal fathers are constituted into the House of Royals, like the House of Lords, so that they would have more power, say and patnership in governance. This would help them to contribute meaningfully to issues affecting them and the society at large.

http://www.tribune.com.ng/08112009/general1.html

islamrules:
Funny. Who says Lagos has been hijacked by Igbo? big LOL. Hausas are even many in Lagos than Lagos. A whole area in agege is dominated by Hausas. I have not seen a place where Ibos are living like hausa settlements. It easy said that Illorin will go with the North. It depends on Illorin people. The last time I checked Ilorins are Yorubas not Hausas.

For the fact that Yorubas are many in Kaduna doesnot mean the whol Kaduna belongs to the Yorubas. If civil war starts and everyone carries gun in Lagos, it is obvious that Yorubas out numbers other ethnic groups in Lagos. Ibadan is closed to Lagos, Ogun is closed to Lagos, we can always import our people.
Igbo cant import their people from Enugu to lagos easily. They will pass thru Ondo, Osun e.t.c. B4 they get to lagos, they would have died. The same goes to Kaduna. Yoruba people cant fight hausas in Kaduna when it comes to real war. They will be out numbers.

To those who think they own lagos should continue day dreaming and let the war starts, they will run in the midnite. War is no joke! And you cant come from ur land and dominate other peoples land. Aggressors/occupiers always loose.

Amoung the Yorubas, Ondos are very wicked, dont dream about okajes messing with them. Have u forgotten the wars of Ondo/Ilesha and Oyo.

When it comes to war, no other tribe in Nigeria has experienced what Yoruba experienced.

Yorubas dont rush to war, but if they do, its gonna be a nightmare.

To all internet warriors, keep it up! Let the real war starts, we are gonna all be here!

stop diverting the topic, lagos is not igboland and igbos have no intention in making it igboland, tell us what will happen to yorubas in kwara and kogi since the hausa fulanis have claimed the land belongs to them , leave igbos out of this cus igbos will never fight for anyland that is outside igboland whether they have properties there or not.

breezy147:
Ibos?
The criminals have been eating humanbeings since the time of slave trade. You would think civilisation would quench that silly appetite but no.
During the civil war they ate humans.
In recent years then we discovered clifford orji.
Now this one again.

Osiris.212:
Here you come again typing while actively searching for fresh droppings in your anus to eat.

So, is Calabar/Rivers/Delta/Akwa Ibom no longer part of Biafra? YES or NO.

You can't continue cherry picking between clear options. How dare you discard them cos the strory isn't favourable or isn't about oil bloc? . . .stop making yourself look foolish more than the way you already appeared. Even the deaf, dumb and blind knows that Ibos are potential cannibals. It is no brainer, Cliffod Orji, Okija shrine,Okotokoto and many other examples are there to fetch from.

you should be bothered about the rate of canibalism in yoruba land

A Nigerian man has been arrested after he killed a woman and ate her stewed intestines in a bid to cure an abnormally persistent Attention, police said on Wednesday.

A spokesperson for Osun state police said 50-year-old Folorunso Olukotun had led officers to his victim's disembowelled body in the bush near his home village in south-west Nigeria.

"According to the man's story, his private organ always has an Attention and it doesn't go down," Oluwole Ayodeji said. "Someone advised him to kill a woman and eat her intestines."

Olukotun ambushed his victim, a woman in her forties unknown to her attacker, on a path near her village. He attacked her with a machete, killed her, and took her intestines home, Ayodeji said.

'He seems to have believed them'
"He cooked them like a sort of stew and ate them with pounded yam," he said. "When the police arrived he was very open, we have his whole confession on tape and he has been remanded in custody."

The spokesperson said that police believe that someone had jokingly suggested cannibalism as a cure for Olukotun's problem, in the belief that he would never carry out such a killing.

"He seems to have believed them," he said. Police could not say whether the Attention has now subsided. - Sapa-AFP

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=68&art_id=qw1022058361787B252&set







We need legislation to eradicate rituals, cannibalism in yorubaland - Erelu Lola Ayonrinde -Raises posers on Oba Funso Adeolu’s corpse

Erelu Tunwase AyonrindeErelu Tunwase of Ode-Remo, Chief Lola Ayonrinde, who is the Otun Iyalode of Shomolu and Lagos District, and also the Yeye Akinrogun of Ikeji-Ile Ijesa was twice Mayor of the London Borough of Wandsworth. She talks to AYO-LAWAL GBENOBA on her campaign against human sacrifice and cannibalism in Nigeria. Excerpts:

WHAT is your campaign all about?
The ‘Say No To Cannibalism In Nigeria’ campaign is aimed towards eradicating the ancient and obnoxious practice of mutilating the bodies of traditional rulers after death. The rituals and sacrifices parts of the body of a dead king, especially in Western Nigeria, are used for are barbaric and a disgrace to the country in this 21st century. The movement is out to stop these evil practices which are not in consonant with the will of God and against the fundamental human rights of the affected traditional rulers. When a king dies, they say they have to give his heart to his successor on the throne to eat. They explained that it will make the new king strong and courageous but, is that not deceit? How can eating somebody’s flesh give courage to another person? They mutilate the remains of these kings and engage in fetish and obnoxious activities which add no value to anybody or the society in general.


Why do you need to feed an incoming royal father with the heart of a dead one? This cannibalism started with Christopher Colombus who believed that when a king ate the heart, or some other parts of a dead ruler, some major attributes of the dead was transferred to the new king. This is sheer cannibalism and has no place with God. And, I want the chiefs, the traditional rulers themselves and other stakeholders to know that any tradition that does not recognise God is doomed. The government must put a stop to this cannibalism going on in some parts of Nigeria because, it is even against the constitution of Nigeria. Section 38 subsection 1 of the Nigerian constitution gives every citizen the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, while section 17 subsection 26 declares that the sanctity of the human person shall be recognised and human dignity shall be maintained and enhanced. Where is the sanctity of the human person in all these? Where is human dignity?


What motivated this campaign?
I was very close to the late Alaye of Ode-Remo, Oba Funso Adeolu, the popular Chief Eleyinmi of the rested Village Headmaster soap opera. Few months after his death on August 21, 2008, he started appearing to me and I had months of traumatic haunting. In his lifetime, Oba Adeolu was a Christian and he made it known that he did not partake in anything fetish during his installation as king. He explicitly, several times, demanded that when death came calling, his corpse should be handed over to his family so that he could be given a proper Christian burial. However, his corpse was not released to the family. After his death, he appeared to me several times, and kept telling me about many things. He said his corpse was handed over to the ‘odis’ (slaves) who treated it like that of a criminal. They took bits and pieces of his remains for their own use while some parts were distributed to the four corners of the town.


It was while going round that I discovered what happened and I met some chiefs who confessed what happened but asked me to forget it because there was nothing we could do about it.

All the ‘odus’ of Ifa do not approve using human beings as sacrifice, the constitution does not approve and to crown it all, God Almighty frowns at this practice, they are doing it to appease whom? Some of the kings today are enlightened and those who are born again Christians, like Oba Adeolu, are renouncing these things. So, why hold on to an obnoxious and barbaric act? Oba Adeolu believed he would be given a decent burial and that is why his ghost has refused to rest. Even in Ijebuland, these things were abolished years ago and Ijebuland under the Awujale agreed they would bury kings according to their religion.


So, how do you hope to stop the practice?
We are canvassing that our traditional rulers should be buried whole, without being mutilated and it should be in the open. There is secrecy because of the evils attached. It is untenable scientifically that the heart is eaten for so and so reasons. To start with, let us have the installation of kings in the open, no aspect of the installation should be shrouded in secrecy. It should be a celebration of our culture so, why should it be shrouded in secrecy? When everything becomes transparent, it will even help younger ones to know more about our culture and we will be able to restore some of our societal values. Why should obas be laid to rest in a paganic manner? If a governor gives staff of office to a king, giving him recognition and authority, that king is under the governor so, why should the government condone barbarism in this age? The ministry of local government and chieftaincy affairs should do something about this, if not, the government is endorsing cannibalism. True that some of the kings went through these rituals during installation but those who opted out should be given that grace of opting out of the rituals in death. They should be buried according to their faith. The practice is a disgrace to the whole of South West because it is common there.


We are appealing to the traditional rulers who were installed through cannibalism to renounce it publicly and declare they don’t want their hearts to be eaten or other parts of their bodies to be used for any form of ritual. Abolition of slave trade took place years ago. So, why do we still have some people in Ode calling themselves slaves (‘odis’)? We need legislation to stop the barbaric act and we are appealing to our lawmakers to rise up to this task of eradicating cannibalism in Nigeria. There should be a law backing a king to opt out of fetish installation and burial and it should become an offence for anyone to tamper with the remains of a king, for whatever purpose, or to give the body to the ‘odi’ for rituals. The penalty should be without an option of fine so that the perpetrators would know how grave the offence is. The ‘odi’ in Ode can be given money to buy goat, ram, cow, or whatever they need for sacrifice, if they must, but there must be total abolition of human sacrifice in the country. Efforts are being made by some Ogun State traditional rulers to stop it but some feel the fetish practice must be protected. The government must detach itself from it.


Internationally, human sacrifice, cannibalism, witchcraft and sorcery are illegal so, why should it be done with impunity in Nigeria, a country that is known as the giant of Africa? Infact, politicians should begin to include the abolition of cannibalism in their campaign programmes, and party manifestos by 2010.


What efforts have you made so far to network and get people involved?
We give glory to Almighty God. I have spoken to so many kings who secretly don’t want it and we are telling them that they should make an open declaration against these evil practices. The campaign would be boosted if they do because people believe they all knew and agreed to these evil practices before being installed. We now call on the royal fathers again, in the name of Almighty God, to declare publicly that they don’t want these fetish practices to continue. I have carried the campaign to the international level so that Nigerians of affluence who are in diaspora would lobby the lawmakers and get a legal backing for the campaign to eradicate human sacrifice and cannibalism in Nigeria. A number of international media like the BBC have aired my interview on the campaign and some Nigerian people abroad are involved in the lobbying for a legislation to stop the obnoxious practices.


We call on the ‘oluwos’ and ‘odis’ in Ode to review the entrenched ill that has no value to the society. We appeal to them to accept cows and goats and allow our royal fathers to be buried according to their beliefs. Then, it was about time that the royal fathers are constituted into the House of Royals, like the House of Lords, so that they would have more power, say and patnership in governance. This would help them to contribute meaningfully to issues affecting them and the society at large.

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ndu_chucks:
To Keep Nigeria One Is A Task That Must Be Done. Anything else would be too costly, senseless, suicidal, and result to ethnic cleansing the likes of which has not been seen since Rwanda.

Imagine what would happen if we go our separate ways and Arewa nation demands that everyone should return to their country to apply for a visa if they want to live in Arewa.  It would result to a disaster the likes of which, the narrow minded among you are yet to contemplate because the population of the southern nations would triple over night.

A word is enough for the wise.

you should be bothered about arewa and not what the population of other nations will look like.

and who is going to kill who? keep dreaming, every ethnic group will decide their future and i dont see how that will lead to blood shed, bother dispuest among ethnic groups wil also be trahed out before we leave the table.

ndu_chucks:
To Keep Nigeria One Is A Task That Must Be Done. Anything else would be too costly, senseless, suicidal, and result to ethnic cleansing the likes of which has not been seen since Rwanda.

A word is enough for the wise.

@Sam_Ikenna, I predict that you will be tempted to become a NL bigot in the next 6 months, for now, me like your ways.

and who is going to kill who? keep dreaming, every ethnic group will decide their future and i dont see how that will lead to blood shed

DerideGull:
I did not need to respond to this nonsensical drivel but since you have chosen to flaunt your ignorance in public, let me oblige on the erroneous part of “Zik had 12 ministers and only 1 was Yoruba”.

Again, there was no government of federal republic of Nigeria constituted with Zik as the head of the government. After 1959 federal election, NCNC won the both western and eastern regions while NPC won northern region. Due the showing of political strength of the parties during federal election, the victorious parties had to position of ministerial appointment according electoral victories.

As result of NCNC victory both in western and eastern region, it got provide 6 ministers with portfolio to federal executive council under the government of Tafawa Balewa. The 6 ministerial appointments were shared evenly between western and eastern regional NCNC members in the parliament. From western region were Adelabu Adegoke, Kola Balogun and Okotie Ebo.

The minister in charge of FCT or Lagos then was Alhaji Musa Usaman Yar adua, the father of late president of Nigeria. As for the VC, there were four universities in Nigeria and it happened that two universities in western region were under the VCs who happened to Igbo and I believed it was not by design since the universities in the north and east were headed by expatriates, American and Saudi. Government in references was also Balewa’s and not Zik’s.

better to leave aljharem alone , this thread is about the norths threat to take part of yorubaland with them it has nothing to do with igbos or zik, your playing into his trick to convert it into an igbo yoruba bashing thread, ignore him or open another thread to correct him.

the SNC should be based on ethnicity and not state that way every ethnic group regardless of state and region will decide who to go with but if the representatives are based on state then the north will surely get what it wants. am shocked that some yorubas are already willing to give up on kwara and kogi. this is a serious matter.

Osiris.212:
It was actually a bait to lure hypocrites like. You Ibo fools like claiming Cross Rivers,Rivers,Delta and Akwa Ibom when it favours you, but quick to reject them when they commit crime. When Biafra is th topic you claim them and far beyond, when they commit small crime you quickly reject them.

I hope the good people of south south are now seeing you hypocrites for who you are. Na we get sense pass everybody for Nigeria, Indeed. Bunch of hypocrites!

show me a thread where we claimed people from cross river are igbos. there are igbos minorities in those states and they bear igbo names, you illiterates should learn to differentiate ethnic group from state. meanwhile canibalism is also strong in yorubaland so why point fingers at them. if you had said eastern nigeria or south south then maybe i would not care but calling a non igbo igbo man showhow stupid you are.

Osiris.212:
Ibo . . .They'll eat anything. Cannibals

idiot illiterate does that name look igbo to you? you think we are yoruba that eat human people, a yoruba man the other day killed and ate the intestine of his wife , add that to your leaders that eat human beings.

bittyend:
Everything west of river Niger belongs to Odua - whatever you lot do on the eastern border is your cup of tea.

Fulani can claim the whole of Kwara desert and Kogi state - we don't parasites from that side in the Odua Kingdom. kwarans are related to boko haram - you can really differentiate between those muthafukkers and gworo chewing abokis.

thats not true i know a lot of yorubas from kwara state, dont tell me you are going to abandon them and leave them to the mercy of hausa fulanis, and last time i checked hausa territory does not include kwara.

lagcity:
was Gowon and OBJ at the funeral?

you didnt just ask that question did you abi you want them to be stoned to death.

bittyend:
I laugh in Ilorin

Fulani can take Ilorin and Kogi for all I care - those places are glorified desert with no resources, I'm from Ondo, and we're looking towards taking the whole of Edo and Delta state - that's where the money is at

We will take onitsha as well, since they're Edo people

Oyo Imperialist Empire is Back

me too dey laugh ooo

lagcity:
u r really overanalyzing this thing. didn't i just tell u it was long ago? THEY R YORUBAS NOT HAUSAFULANI. this has nothing to do wit d SNC.

but na you talk say they be slaves

lagcity:
these Hausas, Nupes and Fulanis used to be slaves or traders. it has been a long time and they can't go back to the North. they r now part of us.

that explains why some yoruba people are quick to abuse igbos even when what we are discussing have nothing to do with yoruba but north, hmm i have learnt something today ,those people actually have hausa fulani blood line. its going to be tough the more reason SNC is needed, if only obasanjo cared about yoruba people this would have been trashed out when he was in power. what a missed opportunity