₦airaland Forum

Dudu_Negro:
My friend, forget Biafra. . . just forget Biafra will ever happen. In fact from the way things look, if North separate and carve out their Sharia country, guess what those Igbo investors in Kano will do? They will convert to Islam and practice Sharia with them and become citizen of Hausaland. They will never separate from those property for Biafra. What does Biafra have to offer them? Lagos, Ibadan, Kano. . . allthese places offer them things they never knew they could ever in their lives have. It's like manna falling from heaven, a paradise for God's sake. . . and you want them to come back to Biafran hell?

what rubbish , i dont blame you if biafra succeded you will be in cocoa farm now planing for harvesting season . this is what happens when people are spoon fed, who wants to live in that shit hole called lagos, can you compare any yoruba city with igbos cities of enugu, owerri, asaba, umuahia, ph . i dare you to mention one yoruba city worth living in

kettykin:
@ poster , does your funny analysis apply to the chinese and indians too. How about the yorubas in london or is it applying only to igbos who came to lagos to do business in a country that decided to have only 1 deep sea port in a congested direlict city and locate all the petroleum company hq there eventhough the oil wells are else where

because yorubas and hausas are sell out, saraduna said he would rather employ an outsider than a southerner which includes yorubas yet these yorubas like slaves are already out to defend him.

Dudu_Negro:
There were two classes of Europeans.  There were also two classes of Nigerians.  

On the European side you have the Portuguese and the British.  None of them was good but in terms of goodwill and fairness of hand, Portuguese was a far better ally and trustworthy friend to invite into your home.

On the Nigerian side, you have the Kingship societies and you have the clannish society.  Neither of them was good to the other but in terms of value and trustworthiness the Igbo society had no orderliness or set of values that the Kingship societies can relference and relate to.  

Yoruba people had contacts and traded with Portuguese long before your contact with British. They, the British, studied each tribe and recorded the attributes. They used these attributes in a mix/match manner to effect irritation at a local tribal land by employing an attribute of the other tribe that is guaranteed to set off discord when introduced locally.  

Fortunately for them, you both share an attribute which most people find very offensive - blindness to universal mores!

Igbo people do not understand the customs and rituals of host-guest relationships when visiting Yoruba or Hausa tribal lands.  I will use the illustration of a household to highlight.  

When you invite Igbo to be a guest in your house, you are hoping that you would not have to announce when visitation is over and it's time for them to leave; and that he would leave of his own recognition for proper manners and etiquettes.  This expected self-recognition does not normally happen in an Igbo person. Using hints and cues to externally trigger the recognition is a waste of time also.  You are trying not to have to tell the guest abruptly to leave. . . . your upbringing and cultural values teaches that it will be a rude treatment of a guest and must be avoided.  Meanwhile your guest does not come from the same value stream that taught you this moral lesson and is sitting there blind to your inconvenience and difficulty, no sign of getting up and leaving anytime soon. So you finally break step with cultural code and announce to this guest that meal is over and you have other things to go attend to with family. . .  still being gentle and reasonable, not wanting to hurt Igbo man's feeling.

Your guest then tells you that he ate too much and would like to use the toilet.  Now, you don't want to kick out a person in such pressing situation, so you show him to the toilet.  After a long time relieving himself he comes out and says, oh by the way. . . he has an errand next morning at the house down the block and he would appreciate your generosity if you could accomodate him for the night so he does not have to go through much palaver getting back to this side early next morning.  He is plotting, you are not. . . . so each request or demand comes to you unexpectedly and hard to turn down.  Remember, you are a product of your cultural value system and your reactions are still been guarded by the mores of that culture to accomodate and to be of good character, not spiteful, not cold and not tarnish your name.  Your guest likewise is a product of his cultural value system and accomodation, name and all those other good character stuffs are not part of his values.  So you yield and okayed for him to stay overnight.  You get a guest room ready for him.

Overnight, Igbo person plots some more.  Ifeanyi should go to school down here.  Chijike can have the shop next door to sell spare parts.  

You wake to the smell of breakfast cooking.  You go in your kitchen and to your amazement, there is your Igbo guest, a loin cloth wrapped round his waist. . . he is frying eggs to go with his toast and coffee.  You look at the clock. . .and wonder when is his so called early morning errand.  You glance back at him. . . no sign of preparedness to depart any time soon.  You are annoyed and irritated.  So you tell him bluntly. . . . when is your errand, I will be leaving soon and need to lock the house when I leave.  He replies, soon as I finish eating breakfast!  He then asked you if you know how much rent they want for the shop next door.  

Let me stop here!     This narrative is the prototype Igboman going to other people land not to be a guest. . . . but to be an occupant.  He lacks the outlook on sophisticated social contacts and his ways are brute and offensive. . . rough and blunt, far below the state of evolved spirits with high level of mannerisms and public carriage.  Those brought up in highly ordered social cultures find his ways repugnant and foul. . . corruption and gluttony are in the glass of his eyeballs wherever he goes.  This makes him the target of those conservatives madly intoxicated by the call of patriotism to cleanse and renew the soil of their fatherland from the stains of gluttony and bloodmoney.

Akintola was not tribalist, neither was Sardauna. . . . Igbos are simply blind to see when they have overstayed their visit!

the same way dirty yorubas are not ony asking to be occupants in igboland but dmanding for free land , who gives out free land to tenants? your mad that igbos buy lands and properties in yorubaland yet yorubas come to igboland to beg for free land , shamless and lazy people na tribalism go kill una. igbos have evolved to modern humans that understand no matter your religion ,colour tribe etc humans can live peacefully in any society they find thamselves as long as you dont go attacking peopole , just do your thing, pay your tax. go abut your buisness and build a comfortable home for your family but no yoruba and hausa savages have not yet evolved to that yet they keep asking for free oil money from the east.

T8ksy:
Who is spreading false propaganda, here? Which state schools actually gave out this alleged

presents to their potential students?


Western region.

Eastern region.


Northern region.


Source:http://www.afrimap.org/english/images/documents/UNRISD%20Nigeria%20Mustapha.pdf

u don dey mad, so because they also wrote that mungo park discovered river niger we should believe them abi, so before 1957 where easterners paying for education? some people dont even think your write is

so from your logic we should continue to have northern crooks , let me tell u whether GEJ does his job or not nobody cares, after him the SE will get their turn , tribalism did not start from the south so dont blame the south

jason123:
^^^
WTF is Alj Harem? I don't know this dude!
Again read this:

Nigerian Political Parties: Power in an Emergent African Nation by By Richard L. Sklar Page 216

STOP YOUR IGNORANCE, ITS ANNOYING!

everybody know your alhaji harem and a yoruba man , you cant fool anybody. you can quote all the books in this world it wont change the fact that our parents in the east got free education , it took several years to convince my great great grand father who was the village chief to allow missionaries set up school and enroll children while in some villages it was enforced by british adminstration.

bashr8:
alj harem i dont know how old you are but like i told you education was free in the east , moajority of the school were owned my missionaries and churches and were free , states school were also free while some pivate owned schools were not . the same in the north , parents were begged to allow their children attend schools and gain western education . you cannot rewrite history of nigeria with your cheap yoruba propaganda , keep claiming to be itshekiri

that is why you people are soo poor, so one rich man translates to all northerners being rich , for every dangote we have 4 ibetos. wealth is well distributed in the east while only very few are wealthy in the north , that explains why your region is soo poor even after over 30 years of rulling nigeria and looting it blind. dont be naive.

jason123:
Dude, there are documents all over the internet to prove what I just typed. Really, I am not ready for such arguments as the thread is not about whether education was free in the 1960's. This is 2012!

alj harem i dont know how old you are but like i told you education was free in the east , moajority of the school were owned my missionaries and churches and were free , states school were also free while some pivate owned schools were not . the same in the north , parents were begged to allow their children attend schools and gain western education . you cannot rewrite history of nigeria with your cheap yoruba propaganda , keep claiming to be itshekiri

DRANOEL:
@bashr8
you want me to go and start building groundnut pyramids?
will do that soon as you go and start planting more oil. . . .o' sorry i forgot you don't plant crude oil do you? you lazy lot just feel since oil is under your feet it equates to hard work

what is your buisness what we think about the oil in our land? is it your oil? better become productive like the middle beltans nothing free last forever, just an advice, even with the oil in the east , it still boast of the biggest market in the world ,trade, commerce, agriculture , manufactiring industries and of course nollywood while you sit around waiting for handouts.

jason123:
You are wrong. The free education in the East failed after 3 months, the East could not keep up. The North did but only a few go to uni then.

Secondly, my very own parents benefited from this free education. The split was political.

your a mugu, all our parents that grew up in the east did so through free education , missionaries, churches and eastern goverments had to offer gifts in some cases  while using force in other cases stop this stupidity of yours. awolowos free education is a myth because free education have always been there in all the regions.

shymmex:
Monkey looking Ibo c.u.n.t!! Why don't you worry about your barbaric Ibo clans that kill each other over farmlands, mug??

All flat head having Ibo monkeys need to electrocuted - they are all parasites!!!

its time all oil pipelines to lagos get cut off, no more feeding parasitic yoruba apes, go back to your cocoa farms . with all the free oil money you have been getting you still are very backward, shamless people

baslone:
I used to wonder why the Aboki's are so heartless!

You go to their lands, cause provocation, start whining and wondering why the Hausas keep slaughtering you.

i wonder to why abokis are soo heartless they butcher yorubas in the north as if its not enough they come all the way to ekiti , kwara and butcher them while yoruba leaders look the other way , so pathetic.

DRANOEL:
oga, just as awo was doing all that in the west the saudana was doing same in the north i.e abu zaria (the biggest university in w.africa),northern textile industries, etc.

while not totally agreeing with sanusi but the truth is while the ND With a small population is getting fat cheques from the central govt.,northern nigeria with it's large number is getting meagre. this has widened the gap and created room for bokoharamist!

niger delta should be getting even fatter cheques cause it is their money , go and rebuild your groundnut pyramids or maybe when you stop lynching innocent citizens especially those that came to invest maybe things will get better in the north.

But while Professor Aminu blamed ethnic preferences and favouritism for the higher number of students from the “advanced” states, as he puts it, for the disparities, just as Mallam Lamido blames the 13 per cent allocation in his recent interview, few Northern elites will point to the visionary social policies of Obafemi Awolowo, who introduced universal free education to the Western region, including the current Edo and Delta states, the areas which all currently account for the highest university enrollments and relatively higher human capital development in Nigeria.Fewer still Northern elites will acknowledge the fact that Awolowo built the first regional agricultural settlement in Nigeria, the first groups of industrial estates and the first television media even ahead of Spain, because he was developing the human capital to effectively utilize these projects. Western Nigeria Television taken over by the Federal Goverment of Nigeria, now called NTA, was  established by Chief  Awolowo.




there was free education in every part of nigeria including the north , churches, missionaries and state school were literally giving out gifts to parents just to allow their children go to school in both east and north so this free education myth will not fly. secondly the south east states of anambra,imo and abia along with delta and rivers have the highest university enrollment and not the southwest, thirdly awods policies did not benefit people in edo and delta hence their voting for a midwest state due to gross marginalisation by the yorubas, we should have passed the age of false propaganda by now.

DRANOEL:
ojukwu and the sun that will never rise
www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-875366.o.html

leprous almajiro why is dat your buisness, i guess u want massob to go on killing spree murdering innocent women and children like boko harem.

sheyguy:
It is no mistake the ND has no quality leader. It is a jungle where only the roughest are gauranteed to make it to the top. Asari is a typical ND leader of today

can you mention one quality yoruba leader

just like fuel subsidy the days of free lunch are over

chino11:
Why are you taking you time to enlighten him? Enugu does not have any oil, infact what they called oil is the under ground over spill from Anambra oil wells.

There is no sense in accommodating enugu state in the Orient development plan as they are doing in Anambra because there is no part of enugu either Igga is in the oil enclave.

You enugu people should go and harness your coal and help yourselves out with that, because the developments, royalties and benefits will always be paid to Anambra communities where oil and gas exploration takes place and not Enugu.

lol take it easy abeg , they have oil just that theres no extration going on there so i dont see why he is soo worked up about it. am sure he has been enlightened shaa

ekt_bear:
*munches popcorn, waits for part 2 of this drama to begin*

in your dreams.

Bliss4Lyfe:
LWKMD! ONE MINUTE, SAME TODAY. ODIKWA EGWU!  

i tire oo this is how misinformation starts , i bet he cant post such topic on facebook cus people will just laugh at his dumbness.

marocguy:
I hope this makes front page to inform the whole NL about some misinformation anambra state govt and orient refinery give out concerning the oil blocks on the anambra river block.
1. Most,if not all of the oil blocks belong to my community,igga in uzo uwani lga. Part of which is stretched to our boundaries with anambra and enugu states.
2. Orient petroleum has refused to include my community in its investment plan,rather refering to us as 'feedstock in OPL915 and 916' which they acquired.
3. They didnt pay compensation or even consult our community before engaging on exploration they started last year which is still going on with the base for the exploration company in my neighbourhood at my community.
4. Orient petroleum did not conduct EIA,environmental impact assesment as they did on their refinery sites in nearby border towns in anambra nsugbe,aguleri n co before commencing exploration.
5. No corporate social responsibility package lyk it was done to the anambra refinery hosts.
They are on their plan to exclude and claim the oil wells visibly after ignoring protest letters from my town.
Pls nairalanders,as the head of a youth group in the community,i am required to lead the fight. So far i have been calming tensions down. I wouild require any advice,or help anyhow. I have been trying to get good legal advice,especialy on the basic responsibility of oil companies to host communities. We are holding an emergency meeting i am chairing tomorow. I will be grateful to any who can advice proffesionally. My group may not even mind a legal assistance from a reputable legal firm or environmental agency/NGO help. Thanks.

that is what you need professionals that will educate you be4fore you start spreading rumours and heat up the south east, anambra and enugu have always known to have oil reserves but you dont see federal govt including them in niger delta states budget just because there are reserves there even when the oil is not being extracted.

marocguy:
I hope this makes front page to inform the whole NL about some misinformation anambra state govt and orient refinery give out concerning the oil blocks on the anambra river block.
1. Most,if not all of the oil blocks belong to my community,igga in uzo uwani lga. Part of which is stretched to our boundaries with anambra and enugu states.
2. Orient petroleum has refused to include my community in its investment plan,rather refering to us as 'feedstock in OPL915 and 916' which they acquired.
3. They didnt pay compensation or even consult our community before engaging on exploration they started last year which is still going on with the base for the exploration company in my neighbourhood at my community.
4. Orient petroleum did not conduct EIA,environmental impact assesment as they did on their refinery sites in nearby border towns in anambra nsugbe,aguleri n co before commencing exploration.
5. No corporate social responsibility package lyk it was done to the anambra refinery hosts.
They are on their plan to exclude and claim the oil wells visibly after ignoring protest letters from my town.
Pls nairalanders,as the head of a youth group in the community,i am required to lead the fight. So far i have been calming tensions down. I wouild require any advice,or help anyhow. I have been trying to get good legal advice,especialy on the basic responsibility of oil companies to host communities. We are holding an emergency meeting i am chairing tomorow. I will be grateful to any who can advice proffesionally. My group may not even mind a legal assistance from a reputable legal firm or environmental agency/NGO help. Thanks.

are they extracting oil from your so called village? the answer is no , i dont know what your mission is , better go and find a job and stop looking for free money, from your analysis and the map nduchuck posted we can as well conclude because the oil block covers anambra ,enugu,kogi etc they are exploring from those states too, am sure your governor sullivan and other representatives in enugu know better than you cus if there were any activity there they will be the first to know about it and approve or disapprove it .

rubbish , and obj, ibb ,gowon etc that married non illiterate wives are the reason nigeria is a shithole today,even 3rd world countries mock nigeria, you expect johnatan to fix within a month what these past wicked leaders ruined in over 43 years , keep dreaming.