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Covid today

Two democrat senatoes Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas and Sen Cory Booker got covid.
Both are fully vaccinated and have booster shots

Their messages on twitter are the same. As if they cordinated their public message .
Both positive. Both sure were it not for vaccines they would be dEaD?. Both encourage vax and booster shots.

chopnaira:
Ina conserfatifes United Kingdoms

Minors dont need parental consent you idiot according to some laes
To make it better you get sent pills via mail.

Imagine trafficked girls are OK with that.

gambojimeta:
Ya head Isa filled witi da poooops Fram fallowing basilokos kikikikikki

I ah postes anytins politikal Ina politikal sections. Goan hugs ya PHCN powerless streets transformas


https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-medical-experts-say-that-teens-should-be-allowed-to-make-the-abortion-decision-without-telling-their-parents-2017012411079

Idiot. Ever heard of girls promised overseas jobs,once there have their passports n documents taken away by pimps.
Then forced into prostitution.Same happens to kidnapped minors boys girls inclusive.
These pimps are happy beneficiaries of such a law.Where trafficked minors dont have to show up at the abortion clinic, the drugs are mailed to the pimps.

You are disgusting.

PrideofLincoln2:
Semper Fi Sis, packing for tomorrow's flight to Frankfurt. Hope you have a fun filled holidays and regards to your family.

These burglaries seem to have abated in tandem with your travel plans.

Celebrities in Beverley Hills are arming themselves more after security incidents rise in their paradise.
They are the loudest mouths with huge social media following after gun related attacks Calling for more gun control. These libtards elected representatives who decided that jail is not for those steal less than $1000.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/09/beverly-hills-residents-arming-themselves-after-murder-violence/

basilico:
This is a witch-hunt. Lots of reasons. Like why there are only democrats apart from 2 .
Why is this guy not being questioned about who paid him to incite the protesters.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/

I had posted that link earlier from revolver news. Ray Epps the man walking free after leading a breach on Jan 6 while peace loving protesters are in solitary 11 months down the line. Pelosi committee is only hunting down the Trump supporters, leaving out the perpetrators.

Revolver news has a Part 2 of the above article. They narrow down on likely informers and ring leaders of the Jan 6.Photos and detailed video analysis on perpetrators in action, that the FBI is ignoring


https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

This is investigative journalism at its best. Media ignores such, echoing democrats schilling of a Jan 6 uprising as second worst in history. While in reality it seems the Feds set it all up.

Truly banana republic mirroring the German stasi.

ono:
These egregious laws that are pervasive in the US actually bring tears to my eyes. Why will these sorts of laws even make it to the law books of a state or country - if not due to the inability to instill godly virtues in children and parents in a society? Why?

Thrse people are trying to normalize paedophilia by enforcing laws like this. If minors are allowed to abort It means they are sexually active. It would be very hard to convict a man who slept with a sexually active minor ( who looks 18) that has say aborted severally.
Another area they want to normalize is men being free to use female restrooms. A paedo will easily get acquainted with his potential victims there.
Oh and two CNN producers , latest one being Jake Tapper's producer has been outed as a paedo.
Lots of horrible things. Not sure where this story is but women can now recieve their abortion pills via mail. Without having to physically see the doctor.Moral people at these abortion clinics are bound to report cases of minor sexual abuse. With this law, cui bono ? Child traffickers.

ono:
Whoever you are, I dare say your sense of morality and normal human living has been completely destroyed. You have no human feelings at all. As far as you're concerned, humans are rats that can be used in labs for all kinds of experiments. Well, one day, I hope you will be the one in a cage somewhere, waiting to be used as lab rat for some experiment.

That this societal ill (abortion) plagues the world in this day and age does not mean it should be handled the way you and your ilks want it. This thing is simply the result of the poor upbringing of kids, broken homes, societies, and families, poor government policies, and lastly demonic influence. If we have properly functioning homes - God-fearing and with excellent moral upbringing, why would any child go for illicit sex that will lead to pregnancy in the first place? And even if the devil has a stranglehold on people, we know that with properly functioning families, the prevalence of this abortion thing will be drastically reduced. The pervasive nature of evil in American societies is the reason for this plague - and people like you are oblivious of this fact, because you are of your father, the Devil.

Ignore him. Crab mentality. Cant cut it so he drags you down with him.

PrideofLincoln2:
Bunch of never do well who lives in one of the worst run countries on earth where everything that's supposed to be up is down and what's supposed to be down is up are showing their idiocy about a country that's 1.000 better than the shiiithole according to Trump that they live. Worthless hungry okrika wearing piece of human crap. That's for jobless basilico and okrika wearing ono.

It does not prick you the governor your sorry bu.tt voted for signed a law that allows minor girls abort without parental consent.
What irks you is someone pointing out the obvious.
Wisdom is not acquired after flying a few thousand miles. You are born with wisdom.

PrideofLincoln2:
A well known pathological lying coon who lies about everything in his cursed poverty life. Tell me one person in your lineage that knows how to book a ticket from US to Nigeria or vice versa. A foool that lied about living in Britain before but he called Lufthansa Airline the cheapest Airline. I am not surprised because a 3rd world cultist who earns N40.000 wouldn't know that when you book a ticket coming to Nigeria from Chicago, you can transit on the way in Frankfurt and spend three days in Wiesbaden which is in metropolitan Frankfurt where the US Military is based. The other cursed coons giving him likes are just like him in the sense that their greatest moves is going from their villages on ABC Transport Bus to Lagos. Brotherhood in coonery and poverty. I dare anyone of these coons to tell me they have been on an Aircraft before. America obsessed bunch of never do well.

This would apply to your grandchildren No?
You must be proud if such policies your kind pushes through.

ono:
https://rumble.com/vnpb00-exclusive-devin-nunes-and-jim-jordan-live-from-ca.html

I watched that discussion between Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes. Truly revealing what’s going on right now.

And remember Fiona Hill?? You will hear what major role she played in the Russia hoax saga.

What happened in 2020 was nothing short of just removing a sitting president by stealing an election.

Also recall that article published by the Times early in February. Everything that’s happened so far confirms all our worst fears and very much in tandem with what was published. Nothing but a bold faced steal and subversion of the will of the people.

Whats happening.The amount of plain falsehoods, lies and untruths are so apparent but the leftists are getting away with it.

Russian Hoax. They lied about it. Media repeated the lie non stop for years.

Electoral Fraud. They lie that the election was the most secure ever.

COVID-19. They insist that the Rona jumped naturally from bat to humans. They deny there was any genetical engineering .

Vaccines. They lied it was 98% effective and that it has no side effects.

Hinter Biden laptop. They lied that it was Russia disinformation and still do despite DailyMail confirming the authenticity of the laptop contents.

Immigrant cages. They pinned the cages on Trump deapite them having been set-up by Obama.

I could go on forever including "Hands up Dont shoot.

How are they able to get away with such lies?Because they control the media. Big tech can cancel you in a minute, conservative sites are threatened- deplatforming and website demonietization , they self censor and don't report the whole truth
Those that report are branded far right, racist, homophobic, transphobic etc

Sadly with almost an equal split between the left and right, half the country believes these outrageous falsehoods.
And the leftists like every tyrant in history will result in rule by decree in the long run.The tyrants are very well organised. The RINOs support them privately in total.
Fiona Hill.Brought to WH by the McMaster.
She from Brookings Institute whose coworker Danchenko was used as a source for Trump pee thing in a Russia hotel.

Book Deals. After their sabotage mission is accomplished, the left do book deals worth millions. Books that nobody buys but the authors are paid millions.

ono:
So, if the judicial system in the US have now been politicised, what hope do we have of a fair hearing of cases and the dispatch of justice? Is this not the beginning of the end of the US as we know it? Definitely a slippery slope leading down to Hell.

There is something big going on. One is hunting down of conservatives by Biden admin
AG Merrick Garland was nominated to the Supreme Court by Obama but Mitch McConnell blocked it.
Biden appointed him the AG.


Basically the country that prides itself as a true law and order one is no different from a banana republic.

P/S Ive edited my immediate post

ono:
How is it that the Republicans allowed themselves to be held down this way? I read that several illegal immigrants - thousands of them are allowed into the US - unprocessed, unvetted, untested, all freeloaders into that country. Yet the irresponsible government under senile, old and FJB Biden does nothing about it. But citizens who gathered for a protest in the country are sentenced, maltreated, defamed - even those with no previous records of wrongs, are given these harsh punishments!

It's unbelieveable what's happening to the US!

Hi Ono. I made a statement earlier that all these judges were Obama appointees. Ill correct that. All but one were appointed by Democrat presidents.
I can only conclude that RINOs wanted Trump out.

Ive done a quick list of Trump associates or supporters and the judges involved in the case.

Allan Weissenberg charged . Judge is 2009 Obama appointee Juan Merchan

Amy Berman judge , an Obama appointee jailed
1. Roger Stone
2. Paul manafort.
3. Rick gates.

George Papadopoulos jailed by Randy Moss an Obama appointee.

Michael Flynn treated horribly by Bill Clinton appointee judge Emmet Sullivan. He refused to withdraw the case after the DoJ withdrew from the prosecution. Trump had to pardon Flynn.
About Flynn. He pled guilty before judge
Rudolph Contreas or something like that. This judge was one among the judges who issued the FISA request to spy on Carter Page.And he was friend to Peter strozk the FBI CI agent who hated Trump n started the legal FBI Russian hoax. Contreas was forced to recuse himself from the trial.Rudolph Contreas was appointed by Obama.

George Nader jailed by Leonie Brinkema who was appointed by Bill Clinton.

Michael Cohen jailed by William H. Pauley who was appointed by Bill Clinton

Ellioit Brody jailed by William H. Pauley .Was appointed by Bill Clinton.

Steve Bannon indicted by SDNY where James Comey FBI director daughter is an AUSA. James Comey daughter has been one of the lead prosecutor in case against Ghislaine Maxwell.
Judge Nichols in Bannon case was appointed by Trump.

You mentioned Kevin Clinesmith, the FBI lawyer who doctored an email so that FBI could spy on Carter Page and also Donald Trump. He was sentenced to probation by James Boasberg. An Obama appointee.
And now he can continue practicing law in DC.
Boasberg was one among the judges who issued the FISA warrant on Carter Page.

chopnaira:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-man-gets-5-years-assault-capitol-riot-longest-sentence-n1286249?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Jan 6 protests. All these guys being jailed have one thing in common.All the guys denied bail have one thing in common too.
The judges were nearly all if not all appointed by Obama.

In the Trump witch-hunt Russia hoax cases all those jailed were by judges appointed by Obama. Save one at most.

feedthenation:
---Not according to the latest news---

Delaware judge rejects Fox News motion to dismiss lawsuit

A judge Thursday rejected a motion by Fox News to dismiss a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit brought against the cable news giant by Dominion Voting Systems over claims about the 2020 presidential election.

In the 52-page ruling Delaware Superior Court Judge Eric Davis said that the voting machine company had shown that “At this stage, it is reasonably conceivable that Dominion has a claim for defamation per se.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/delaware-judge-rejects-fox-news-motion-dismiss-lawsuit-81806932

Lawfare. Use the legal system to bankrupt your opponents.
He was appointed by a democrat governor.
No surprises

Going back to stone age.
Ship to be fitted with 500 square meter kite.
Its a sail not a kite
Because climate change.

Ibime:
That's cos your are paranoid and because he was a crazy man trying to break system that has worked for centuries.

To the point you even think Powell is out to sabotage him in Fed, Fauci sabotaging him in health, Supreme Court sabotaging him in law, Pentagon sabotaging him, DOJ and FBI sabotaging him, Kemp sabotaging him in Georgy, McConnell sabotaging him in senate.

He's almost even broken the electoral system over the past year.

America is bigger than one man. Every institution performs their role to make it the most successful country. The crazy idiot should go and sit down.

Im a rational thinker. I dont depend on the mainstream media to form my opinions.
Yes, all those people you mentioned deliberately sabotaged him big. Bigly.

Ibime:
Stock prices also reflect how cheap money is and how much money is floating around (money supply). The last 10 years reflect this phenomenon more than faith in the economy.

Fed printed $1trln bank bailouts and another $1trln stimulus in response to 2009 recession and fed dropped rates. That money has been floating in the system pumping prices into bubble territory from Obama's 2nd term into Trump 1st term.

During the pandemic when GDP has been crashing, stockmarket has continued climbing to all-time highs because one quarter of all dollars in circulation were printed last year. Does it look like stockmarket is reflecting the faith in the wider economy to you? So you can see how irresponsible it is for a President to be tweeting about stockmarket upandan that is just in a bubble.

Don't bring politics into economics. Presidents are simply witnesses to economic cycles in America, they are not the protagonists of boom or bust. Economic cycles last 7 years. The system gets overheated every 7 years by one bubble or another, and Fed fixes it, setting up another 7 guaranteed years of prosperity. System is bigger than any man.


https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/economic-cycle.asp

Thinking we are just going round in circles.
My take is that Trump had lots of enemies within GOP not counting the crazy democrats.They downplay any achievement he made using all sorts of logic, truths, half truths and outright lies.
Apparently a president has no input because economic cycles.

Ibime:
Tesla vehicles ain't moving to cause a 10x jump in Share price. Tesla pump was irrational. You can't have a company with $700m profit and attribute $1 trillion valuation to moving cars. Tesla was a bubble pump.

Trump economy talks is neither here nor there. Economic cycles always last 7 years minimum extending to 10 years max, so coming from the recession of 2009, he was always going to have an easy ride but pandemic konked his head on the way out. George Bush had a rough ride, starting in 2001 when Tech bubble and 9/11 started a recession, and finishing with a recession in 2008 due to Housing bubble which had started building in August 2007. Bill Clinton had the easiest ride. He started just after the 1992 recession and finished just before the 2001 recession. Clinton was the most economically successful President for that reason, as job numbers show below

OK. Stock prices reflect the faith investors have in the economy. Tesla is overpriced IMO and built on shaky sand if climate change has not been promoted to a religion.
Elons other outfit SpaceX is in good stead having lowered the costs of sending Teslas to space via reusable rocket engines

Workforce participation. Data over the years. Clinton does better, I dont know how to factor in people living on gov handouts especially from Obama's error.And divorcees mom who prefer not to work.And immigrants who depend solely on govt.

Ibime:
Tesla's profit last year of $500m won't be achieved without selling Carbon credits. Tesla would actually be lossmaking or break-even without selling Carbon credits. Last time I checked Trump was President then.

Tesla share-price did 10x last year from March to December under Trump Presidency. Elon Musk quickly gave himself sense and cashed out 10% of his shares at all time high disguising it under an argument with Bernie Sanders about tax.

Trump was irresponsible constantly tweeting about Dow Jones performance when growth was due to an asset bubble. I've hardly seen a President be that irresponsible to turn that into a performance KPI. All it will do it incentivise Presidents to keep stockmarket bubbles going increasing the threat to the overall economy when they eventually pop. If I'm Biden I will try to keep pumping up the bubble make e no spoil for my hand, let the next President deal with the pop.

Two things. Trump admin was keen on energy independence and climate change suspicion. Tesla vehicles would not have moved as much were it not for people with more disposable incomes, generally from other economic sectors. Among the growth sectors would be manufacturing as a result of his trade deals and tarriffs on Chinaman imports.
Manufacturing growth will obviously impact the financial sector and Wall Street as more people shore up their stock portfolios. Companies made booming profits as a result of Trump. I know you can never admit that.

Ibime:
Corrected.

You continued with your conspiracy even when your data showed interest payment increase on National debt was not that significant, and even when explained that Fed rate is not the interest rate on Govt bonds. That's how Conspiratorial minds work.

Fed raises fed rate when economy is doing well or inflation is running amok. Economy was back on its feet after the 2008-2009 recession. Why should any Fed keep interest rate at zero. All countries increased interest rates. When rates are kept at zero, credit becomes cheap and bubbles are created which will burst one day. We are in a bubble right now from all the cheap credit from 2009 recession response building up to last year's dropping of interest rates in reaction to the pandemic. Companies whose profit has barely doubled in the last 10 years have seen their share prices increase tenfold. Look at Tesla, a company with $500m yearly profit and $1 trillion valuation.

What that means is too much money chasing too few assets. Money is available because credit is cheap (interest rates are zero) so assets are overpriced. Infact, Fed has a big decision to make on how to bring back reality slowly without popping the balloon.

You are correct about cheap credit. After Trump came in the recession was over (thank Obama) The Feds raised rates because the economy was booming. (Do I hear Trump Worst president ever)

Note that Tesla stocks are high because climate change is getting hindreds of billions from Joe Biden plus the govts that want to ban fossil fuell.

Going round in circles, to praise Obama and denigrate Trump.

Ibime:
If you buy a Govt bond at 1.7% yield, that 1.7% is what the Govt pays to service that debt, not the Fed rate.

Correlation between Fed Rate and Treasury Yield has been weak over the last decade or two. There is a very long term correlation between Treasury Yield and Fed Rate but that's another chapter.

I standby my asserion. The Fed Reserve did everything to sabotage Trump .
Look at sharp stock fluctuations immediately after Jerome Powell announcements during the Trump period.

One example only. Stop playing smart.

Ibime:
Don't say this where educated people are.

Fed rate is not set based on conspiracies. Fed rate is set based on inflation and money supply, to incentivise saving or spending as the case may be, not because of no bloody conspiracy against Trump. Rates usually drop during a recession to incentivise spending to jumpstart the economy, and pick back up as the economy improves to incentivise saving and cushion against inflation and overheating. Fed rate is not even the cause of the interest in the first place, but the Treasury bond yields.

In other words the Fed rate has nothing to do with balooning total debt. I dont know how it works to the detail But I do know the Fed rate has a Bearing on the total debt.
Trump rising total national debt had a lot to do with the Fed rate.Pre the covid outbreak.

You can deny this.

Ibime:
Obama interest expense in 2017 = $458b
Trump interest expense in 2018 = $523b

Difference of $65bln

The gap in their deficits is much wider than that. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

Republicans only remember debt when they are out of power. In power, they perform worse than democrats from a fiscal perspective.

Take an average of total debt at 19T for both years (assume no increase in principal debt ) and respective interest rate from Feds.

2017 Fed Rate Dec 2016 is 0.55% . Amounts to roughly 100B

2018 Fed rate Dec 2017 is 1.30%. Amounts to roughly 247B.

Not actual figures but you hopefully can see what a percentage point of a close to 20T adds to interest expense
I could say the Feds was on a sabotage mission
Remember that interest on debt is the fourth largest expenditure in a fiscal year budget. Medicaid/Social Security, Defence and War expenditure are the top three in no order followed by this interest.

Ibime:
Nope, the Treasury yield (particularly on the 10 year bond) determines the interest paid on the majority of the debt. Correlation with the fed funds rate has been weak. Little difference to the Treasury Yield curve between Trump and Obama years

Trump increased national debt partly as a result of the huge debt Obama left him and a huge chunk because of the Federal Reserve rate. The data you provided tries to hide the real interest rate Fed Reserve imposed as soon as Obama left office.
A table of interest expense repayment below. Notice during Obama "error" the interests were low despite him increasing the national debt.
Under Obama the rate was 0.2 going to 0.05 then rising to 0.55 by end 2016. Under Trump interests were 0.55 rising to 2.55 and finally dropping to zero levels during the onset of the pandemic.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm

Ibime:
Nope, the Treasury yield (particularly on the 10 year bond) determines the interest paid on the majority of the debt. Correlation with the fed funds rate has been weak. Little difference to the Treasury Yield curve between Trump and Obama years

Very ungodly hour for me. I meant the Fedelral Reserve rate.

Ill be back in a couple of hours.

Ibime:
Excluding recession years, Obama had dropped yearly deficit down to $500bln for 3 years steady (2014-2016). Trump immediately increased deficit back to $800bln and $1trln in 2018 and 2019 before the pandemic hit. Zendi did not remember National debt at that time

I reckon Im correct saying that Obama forced an increase in social expenditure that Joe Biden will scale to the high heavens? Minus the pandemic input.
Minus pandemic Trump added around 3 trillion and I remember he had an infrastructure bill in his first year. That did not pass?

Growing the national debt is severely impacted by the fed interest rates. If you can please give a breakdown of federal interest rates per year from 2009 through 2021. Indicate how much of the fed rate increased the national debt annually.
For the record Obama had 0% fed increase throughout his tenure.

Explain this chart.Why under Trump the fed rate moved from 0 to 2% .
https://casaplorer.com/fed-interest-rate

Ibime:
We are talking about National Debt here, not jobs

Bill Clinton was the King of creating jobs

Biden job creation is just jobs lost during the pandemic coming back. Would be unfair to credit him

Yiu are correct about the jobs. Joe Biden has not created any jobs. National debt .. I gave a breakdown some time ago. I rehash it here

https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-joe-bidens/2842#106312160

Ibime:
Excluding pandemic, it was very unfavourable by 2019

In other words Trump did not improve the economy.Joe Biden created more jobs .And do on.
Leftists can't stop lying .

Ibime:
It was very unfavourable for Trump.

We are still in pandemic

One quarter of all dollars in existence printed last year under Trump

If there was no pandemic, how would it have been , by extrapolation?

Ibime:
Ask Benalvino2, we already examined some weeks back

You brought it up un response to Zendi.
Leftists social spending endeavours ensures the debt will never go down unless some.miracle happens to tax revenues.