₦airaland Forum

all4naija: Look at the protesters, they look like bugs. They need to flighted with nerve gas.

That's what you get when you fail to make your country inhabitable. You wander around the world geting attacked.

In any case, this picture is about the Somali attacks.

Your so-called researcher has failed again:


http://www.xaqiiqo.com/2012/08/10/labadao-ganacsade-soomali-ah-ayaa-lagu-dilay-wadanaka-south-africa/

souldust: is that why you 'correctively rape' lesbians and kill gays?

To those claiming to be in civilization read the following.

Lesbian South Africans are living in fear as
rape and murder become a daily threat in
the townships they call home.
Noxolo Nkosana, 23, is the latest victim of a
series of violent attacks against lesbians.
She was stabbed a stone's throw from her
home in Crossroads township, Cape Town,
as she returned from work one evening
with her girlfriend.
The two men - one of whom lives in her
community - started yelling insults.
"They were walking behind us. They just
started swearing at me screaming: 'Hey you
lesbian, you tomboy, we'll show you,'" Ms
Nkosana tells the BBC.
Before she knew it a sharp knife had
entered her back - two fast jabs, then she
was on the ground. Half conscious, she felt
the knife sink into her skin twice more.
"I was sure that they were going to kill me,"
she says.
Dying in silence
Many lesbians have died in such attacks - 31
in the last 10 years, it is reported.
In April, Noxolo Nogwaza was raped by
eight men and murdered in KwaThema
township near Johannesburg.
The 24-year-old's face and head were
disfigured by stoning, and she was stabbed
several times with broken glass.
The attack on her is thought to have begun
as a case of what is known as "corrective
rape", in which men rape lesbians in what
they see as an attempt to "correct" their
sexual orientation.
The practice appears to be on the increase
in South Africa.
More than 10 lesbians per week are raped
or gang-raped in Cape Town alone,
according to Luleki Sizwe, a charity which
helps women who have been raped in the
Western Cape.
Many of the cases are not reported because
the victims are afraid that the police will
laugh at them, or that their attackers will
come after them, says Ndumie Funda,
founder of Luleki Sizwe.
"Many of them just suffer in silence," she
says.
"The cases people read about in the media
are not even the tip of the iceberg. Lesbians
are under attack in South Africa's townships
every day."
Reports of police ridiculing rape victims
abound in the gay community.
"Some policemen in the township mock you
saying: 'How can you be raped by a man if
you are not attracted to them?' They ask you
to explain how the rape felt. It is
humiliating," says Thando Sibiya, a lesbian
from Soweto.
She says she knows two people who
reported rapes but then dropped their cases
because of their treatment by the police.
'Un-African'
Some trace the root of the problem to
pockets of traditional African society that
have not accepted homosexuality - especially
among women.
"African societies are still very patriarchal.
Women are taught that they should marry
men, anything outside of that is viewed as
wrong," says Lesego Tlhwale from African
gay rights group Behind the Mask.
"It is seen as un-African for two women to
marry. Some men are threatened by this and
then want to 'fix' it," she adds.
She notes that the women who have been
killed in South Africa so far have been
described as "butch lesbians" - a slang term
used to describe lesbians with a masculine
or manly appearance.
"They are threatened by these kinds of
lesbians in particular. They say they are
stealing their girlfriends. It is a warped
sense of entitlement and a need to protect
their manhood."
South Africa is the only African country to
have legalised homosexual marriage, and
one of only 10 in the world. The constitution
specifically forbids discrimination on the
grounds of sexual orientation.
But on the ground, prejudice remains
common.
On the streets of Johannesburg, it is easy to
find men who support the idea of
"corrective rape".
"When someone is a lesbian, it's like saying
to us men that we are not good enough,"
Thulani Bhengu, 35, tells the BBC.
Very few cases of rape against lesbians have
ever resulted in convictions.
No-one knows how many of the more than
50,000 cases of rape reported in South
Africa each year are committed against gay
women, because the victim's sexual
orientation is not recorded.
Defiance
But after the murder of Ms Nogwaza - and a
petition signed by 170,000 people around
the world calling for an end to "corrective
rape" - the justice department has begun to
listen.
It is in the process of setting up a team to
develop a strategy for tackling hate crimes
against gay people, and is considering
introducing heavier sentences for offences
where the victim's sexual orientation is a
factor in the crime.
Ms Nkosana is afraid that she might be
attacked again, but says she will not be
"forced back in the closet" - made to
pretend that she is a heterosexual.
"They made me a victim in my own
neighbourhood but I won't let them win,"
she says. "They can't stop me from being
who I am."
But despite her defiant attitude, Ms Tlhwale
says many South African lesbians are deeply
worried.
"Everyone is scared," she says. "We have
seen an increase in attacks against lesbians
in recent months. Everyone we speak to is
afraid that they might be next."
Here is a selection of your comments.
How can people act with such hatred to one
another? Rape is rape and those men
committing these heinous crimes should be
put away for a very long time! The actions of
these barbaric individuals are simply
unacceptable.
Joan, Nairobi, Kenya
The justice system should be amended to
stipulate penalty for offenders. Institutions
and organizations need to be encouraged
to set up programs to correct this social ills
as well more protection for targeted
individuals. People need to be educated, as a
well informed individual will have respect
for human right and value for human
existence.
Monyei Patrick, Asaba, Nigeria
The world is still dominated by patriarchal
attitudes and men still see women as sex
objects, pandering to their needs. We are
individuals and determine our own lives
without the constraint of men. The fight
continues as it has done for hundreds of
years and men must wake up to the fact
that not all of us women find them sexually
attractive.
Roe Freeman, Italy
The problem is that most black men in South
Africa are powerless, jobless, living in
shacks. This is caused by mis-appropriated
funds that are not being used for education,
but instead to grow trade and business.
South Africa wants to compete in the global
market but is not taking care of what is
happening to make the lives of their people
better. Africa is the way it is because of the
outside nations exploiting their resources
and bribing their governments. People who
are crying about something to be done in
Africa should volunteer a year of their life
and go teach in a school instead of reading
an article and feeling informed.
Amanda, Cape Town, South Africa
How can South Africans legalise lesbianism?
It is very bad and not too good for our
culture as an African. Though raping them
cannot correct such acts, we should also
know that it is not biblical to be gay.
Bright Faloye, Nigeria
While I do not support the idea of legalizing
gay marriage in Africa, I believe rape is
worse. Convicted rapists need to undergo
comprehensive psychiatric check-ups to
certify them fit to even live with normal
human beings in prison. How can anyone
make love to someone begging and crying?
All these things just make me want to regret
being an African. Being gay in Africa is
enough trauma how much more being a
scared one?
Afeez Alade, Lagos, Nigeria
I can't even begin to describe how sickned I
am by this story, Noxolo Nkosana is just an
incredibly brave young women, if South
Africa really wants to promote itself as a
civilised, forward-looking country that
respects the rule of law and the rights of
minorities, it should hold Noxolo up as a
shining example of its aspiration.
Gareth Sinclair,
It is bad and barbaric for anyone to lynch or
murder another due to his/her sexual
orientation and this must be condenmed in
no uncertain terms. Having said that, it is
also unnatural and unAfrican for people to
engage in such practices that go against all
laws of nature. Not all things that the
developed countries practise are good for
us. Lesbians and gays are not "Africans". Our
values and way of life must be maintained.
Daniel Afetsi, Accra, Ghana
I equally don't subscribe to the notion of
same-sex affairs but people have made a
choice and we have no right to judge them.
They will one day have to account for their
decisions before God. But what continues to
disgust me is how certain sections of the
South African community continue to
wallow in ignorance and vent their
frustrations at people who have nothing to
do with their sorry lives. There is a moral
decay, a lack of respect for human life that
can not continue to be ignored.
Chilufya Musosha, Lusaka, Zambia
Rape is used for control, no more, no less. As
a nurse, I've had many female patients who
are terrified of telling the police what
happened. Insecurity within the rapist, of
his own manhood, is not easy to prove, yet
it is the motivating factor. Acceptance that
people are not here to be owned, or treated
at the whim of others is a reality. Why can
that not be understood, internationally? That
baffles me, daily. My prayers are with each of
you.
Grace Jones, California
In 2011, we should accept we are all
individuals and are allowed to make our
own choices of who we love and who to
share our lives with. In this case it is about
acceptance of others, if the men who attack
these women cannot face up to their own
securities and stop to blame others who are
different to them, I fear this situation will
never change.
PB, Hong Kong
I am a gay woman who has been married to
my wife just under a year, I think it is
ridiculous that these men are allowed to get
away with such horrendous acts of
demoralisation and degrading acts on
women just because of their sexual
orientation. I count myself lucky that I was
born in a country where I can walk down
the street without fear of being attacked!
Leanne Bird, UK
My son is gay and living in an open and
happy relationship. He had bad times even
in this country because of his sexuality, but
nothing like these poor women are
suffering. He now lives in Iceland where
your private life seems to be accepted as
just that, private. When I read of suffering
like this I am even more certain that the
people of the world need educating in so
many ways; men in particular need to be
taught to be tolerant and understanding of
the lives and loves of others.
Ernie Noble, UK
South Africa's lesbians fear
'corrective rape'
By Pumza Fihlani
BBC News, Cape Town
Noxolo Nkosana says she was attacked
because she is lesbian
Related Stories
South African rapist:
'Forgive me'
SA envoy 'guilty of
hate speech'
SA team to tackle gay
hate crimes
It is a warped sense
of entitlement and a
need to protect their
manhood”
Lesego Tlhwale
Behind the Mask
When someone is a
lesbian, it's like
saying to us men
that we are not
good enough”
Thulani Bhengu, 35
The Eudy Simelane case
The practice of "corrective rape" made
world headlines in 2008 when Eudy
Simelane, a former South African
international women's footballer was
gang-raped, beaten and stabbed 25 times
in the face, chest and legs in KwaThema
township.
One of four alleged attackers pleaded
guilty to rape and murder and was
sentenced to 32 years in jail. Another
pleaded not guilty, but was convicted and
given a life sentence. Two others were
acquitted.

Weak argument.

Because the law protects gays and lesbians, these people get prosecuted. Murder happens regardless of the law being against it. Murderers get prosectuted.

Your leaders have gone and sanctioned the anti-gay stance - legalised it. That's like countries sanctioning murder, by law.

Very uncivilised.

Weak argument.

all4naija: One of the richest is different from richest, my friend. Another thing, Nigeria has the second largest economy in Africa waiting to overtake your country. Your argument is highly questionable though.

Second best. No arguing with that.

We'll talk when you've got the HDI numbers, ok?

all4naija: Lol... Hahaha...

Thanks bro.

Talking to yourself now. Look, you've gone nowhere debate-wise now. So, happy gaming.

Enjoy mulling over the truth that was delivered during this session.

NPikinGidi: Who is CraigB and who is BCraig? All4naija and NaijaPikinGidi cannot both be your headache now.

CraigB and BCraig are clearly the same person. Everyone knows. However your NaijaPikin experiment was meant to deceive. But you've failed because it's easy to see this is the same person doing the Nigerian Okey-doke.

all4naija: Yes, it is a big money in Nigeria yet Nigeria has the richest man in Africa. Then use your brain and think about that.

So does Ethiopia have one of the richest men in Africa. So?

Typical Nigerian thinking. Explains everything.

Look All4naija/naijaPigiin - stick to one profile. Or least have the decency to now alternate between profiles in one session.

NPikinGidi: Exactly the point! Throws all your baseless talk into the gutter. The US actually owns and controls SA.

Really? So Zuma's visit to Nigeria was because South Africa owns Nigeria?

Not a smart argument all4Naija / NaijaPigoon.

NPikinGidi: More than a R1billion is what Obama's visit is costing tax payers. Check that out. I laugh in Tswana!

That's peanuts. I know R1 bn is big maaaanie in Naira. But this is South Africa, dude.

NPikinGidi: South Africa/ns are just the best in diligent self-denial. Obama is on his way to sign the final contract to formally and finally take-over America's South Africa.

Obama is certainly not on his way to Nigeria, that's for sure. The same Nigeria that has been referred to as the US's anchor in Africa.

What kind of an anchor is this?

all4naija: It is now prudent when your soldiers failed to defeat Seleka child rebels. Don't take your sovereignty seriously until Angola will invade your cities. Hahaha...

Tired argument that has been killed a thousand times over. I like it when you bring up Seleka because it shows you have run out of retorts and the truth has got to you.

Oh, Angola? Our business partners? Sure dude.

Donian007: The Russian Parliament is also preparing to criminalise gay rights insisting that russians must live by russians traditional values and not western liberasm. Do research my boy.

So? That means what? It's still unenlightened. So you and Russia will be happily in dark-age valley if Russia ever does this.

all4naija: It is not cut off fully till 2015. Your country has just be abreast along with India on the need for UK to do so. The most surprising things is that South African government threatens to halt UK businesses in SA. That goes a long way to prove SA rely on that aid for survival.

This is not a tap. You don't just wake up and cut off spending. The decision has been made and the decision is final. SA is out from 2015. No more UK aid. End of story. Done.

Nigeria? Well, ideal aid recipient you are. It eats up the aid and acts as expected, Nigeria is.

Big puppy.

all4naija: Big military is not a joke. It is a big responsibility not all countries can take, including SA that is gradually cutting down on it military size and budget.

You go hungry to buy guns. That's a joke. What are your indicators? Way down there. But you want to tell us about your guns. That's a big joke.

Yes - South Africa's military budget downsized because that's what prudent people do.

Now see how the same Amanpour treats our Cyril Ramaphosa. Respect and charm

That's what happens when you are not a puppet like Nigeria is.

http://video.tvguide.com/Ramaphosa+on+South+Africas+challenges/Ramaphosa+on+South+Africas+challenges/17827654

all4naija: Where is the evidence that it is increasing from 8th position to 5th on the UK aid list? It is clear SA still receives more aid from UK than Nigeria.

SA has been cut off! Which part of that don't you understand? Together with India - cut off ...

Henry120: If I were a moderator, I'd ban anyone who posts a reply, in response to this @bcraig, dude.

@all4naija, please don't go derail the thread, ignore the mofo.

Yeah well - it's not about being responded to. So ignore me if you wish, but my posts remain in black and white. For everyone coming on here to read. It;s even better if you ignore me, because I can just blog with no one disputing what I say. I like that.

What's also nice is that the moderator saw no need to act today. And I agree with him. I'm relevant.

Big military se voet, I say. What a joke.

Donian007: I am not going to ask my fellow countrymen. Please anyone of you, @agaugust, @Naijapikingidi @ fynline @patriot4, @drag_on, who doesn't know the man Niger Deltan I'm referring to should ask me and I'll give them a clue. I comment for learning readers and clarification not because some slowpoke wishes.

You should not have mentioned something you can't drive to completion. No point telling me you know a man (when I didn't ask you) and then refusing to comment. Useless statement that. So, as far as I am concerned, you know no man.

all4naija: The aid from UK is still in place till 2015. Stop acting as though your country is not receiving aid from the West. What more can a puppet to the West look like than depending on them for assistance?

Yes - till 2015. But the decision to cut it has been made already. Meanwhile, yours is increasing. From position 8 last year to position 5 this year.

Stooges.

all4naija: Look at who is speaking as though US didn't withhold its assistance to SA recently due to some conditions surrounding the country incompetence.

What's with the wishy-washy argument?

NaijaPikinGidi: Allow some kid to vent his juvenile excitement please! This link should burst his bubbly bubble. See simple indication of America's support to SA's military. Why does this lad lie through his teeth?

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30196&Itemid=107

Competently dealt with by Andrew already. Go back one page.

all4naija: Which country is the West a$$-licking in Africa? It is very palpable SA is. From adopting what the West want and accepting every directives given by them. SA is the West puppet of Africa.

South Africa - really? The same South Africa that the UK has said they will deal with as a partner from now on?

Yeah right!

I've already posted a video showing how disrespected Jonathan was by Amanpour. The woman knew she was speaking to a mere puppet who would shake and shake and shake.

Did you see him shaking?

I should post it again--->


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uql5VkMQSmA

Here's the US threatening Nigeria and telling you how to run your show:


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US Withdraws Military Assistance To Nigeria Over Baga, Human Rights Violations

By thewillnigeria.com




SAN FRANCISCO, May 02, (THEWILL) – The United States Government has withdrawn military assistance to Nigeria citing various human rights violations by Nigerian security forces, particularly the military which is currently engulfed in a controversy over the killing of dozens and destruction of hundreds of residences in Baga, a town in Borno State during a clash with members of the Boko Haram.


The United States Ambassador to Nigeria, Mr. Terence P. McCulley in a private meeting Thursday in Abuja with about ten members of the human rights community in Nigeria disclosed the US government position.

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You supply them with vast amounts of oil and they still threaten you? How useless can a country be. Puppet ways!

all4naija: The 2014 is a projection, my friend. You are assisted by the US. That is a complete fact from that data sheet you posted. It is clear the assistance covers many areas. There is no evidence whatsoever to prove that it is not military assistance. If only you can prove that to me with facts.

Learn to read, Nigerian.

Projection of the financial year ending 2014.

Already posted a link showing your dependence on US military aid. Read it and weep. I will post another one showing how the US has threatened you.

agaugust:
American funding/aid to nigerian military is very small compared to the hundreds of F-16 jets and thousands of armoured fighting vehicles and thousands of Tanks and thousands of artillery USA gives to Egypt worth tens of billions of dollars over the past years.

stop calling a cup of water a swimming pool. !

99.9% of nigerian weapons were purchased with nigerian money. please sharaaap !

.

Small it may be (according to you) but it is big enough for the US to start threatening you if you go out of line.

Puppets.

Donian007: Lets see it this way, you say we are puppets so why and how were we able to resist Drone strikes, Drone base, Africom base, Gay rights in Nigeria?

You resist gay rights because you are not enlightened. You are in the dark ages. It not a "puppet" issue. It's a civilisation issue.

I like this link because it shows that Nigeria's "bragging rights" about your military aren't coming from a smart place. Not a bright nation, this Nigeria. You go hungry and you give your oil away, in return for military aid:


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http://concernedafricascholars.org/african-security-research-project/?p=83

U.S. Military Involvement in Nigeria
U.S. Oil Imports from Nigeria

According to the Energy Information Administration (EIA) of the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE), Nigerian oil production averaged 1.94 million barrels per day (bbl/d) in 2008, although the EIA estimates that Nigeria’s effective oil production capacity was 2.7 million bbl/d. Of this, 990,000 bbl/d were exported to the United States. The United States, thus, imported 44 percent of Nigeria’s oil exports, making the country the fifth largest foreign oil supplier to the United States. Nigeria’s oil export blends are light, sweet crudes with low sulfur contents, meaning that they are highly viscous, easy to transport, and comparatively inexpensive to process into gasoline and other petroleum products.

In 1997, the Nigerian government created the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) to manage oil production and exports. The majority of Nigeria’s major oil and natural gas projects (95 percent) are funded through joint ventures with the NNPC as the major shareholder. Shell Petroleum Development Company operates the largest joint venture in Nigeria. Additional foreign oil companies operating in joint ventures with the NNPC include ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Total, Agip, and Addax Petroleum.

all4naija: Image data posted by your.

[img]http://img1.nairaland.com/attachments/1177220_list_pngbf17934885c638c1c32d491cc6dbaad6[/img]

Yes - look at the picture on the right. FY 2014. Do you see SA?

Look at the picture on the left - does it say military aid?

Answer, please.

all4naija: I used to think SA doesn't receive military assistance from the US as many South Africans used to say here. This data really put things in perspective. South Africans behave as if they are not being assisted in any way and come around to blame Nigeria for associating with the US. This data is a clear indication SA is as sold out as Nigeria it often time criticize, if that should be the case.

Don't expose yourself as incapable of reading.

South Africa does not receive military aid from the US. Where does it say that please?

That's civilian aid, you Nigerian. To NGOs even.

And we are not even on the list for this current year. While you are getting more. Military-wise, you are incapable of standing on your own.

Donian007: You maligning malicious sneaky slimmy spammer! A few hours I got engaged and you started your mischievous spams and lies just to derail this thread. First I want to warn you Nigeria is a sovreign state and never a puppet so you better desist from your childish blabs and shove your craze up your damn ass. Now you say Gadafi wants African unity and Nigeria was the "traitor" yet Gadafi never wanted Nigerian unity, Gadafi wanted Nigeria to split hence Gadafi started off by encouraging militancy in my region Niger Delta, I am not going give details, one of the militant generals actually trained in Libya under Gadafi, I know this man and his commanders and their camps and amoury and also a bokoharam member once made a confession indicting some northern politicians for sponsoring his training in Libya where the Niger Delta militant leader also trained. Gadafi was a dictator who wanted to be a life president is that who will sparehead the unity(destruction) of africa? Ofcourse he made some laudible contributions in Africa but Gadafi is a man that doesn't know what he wants, he preaches A and does C. Obama is not skipping Nigeria for security reasons its because we have resisted to be pushed around, because we have seen that USA have no interest in Nigeria's well being but her wealth and resources even at that they want everything at our very expense hence we dumped Britain for China, Russia, India, Ukraine, North Korea who are better traders. Gadafi's troubles with the West was orchestrated by him he fell for their trap because he thinks he is perfect whereas he has hurt and orchestrated the downfall of other africans. Nigeria have no hand in Gadafi's death. I won't comment on this anymore. This thread is about Gadafi and so I won't be cowed into spamming it because of some moronic minds.

Lies - you know no one. You are now misrepresenting things just like Agaugust claimed to be a researcher. I won't even respond to that.

You hated Gadaffi because he told you the truth. Nigeria hates the truth. He never tried to force you to split. There was no reason to sell out Africa just to settle an old score.

Nigeria's puppetry is well documented. You've even been dismissed by your puppetmasters who have refused to come visit you, despite your being their biggest protégé in Africa.

The US said: "Nigeria is our anchor in Africa".

Is this how anchors get treated?

Tumisang: ...and you would know this how? You've never been to SA , remember?

Oh and I see you've since realised your mistake and quickly logged in with your other account...#schizo

Ah - *dead

NaijaPikinGidi: Such a weak betrayal of all the strong posturing about South Africa's continent-wide power and might. Where does this fellow stand?

Myopia!

SADC has the best indicators in the whole of Africa. And this is thanks to the way the countries in the region work. We are older (SADC is) than you lot. Oldest customs union in the world.

You know why? South Africa knows how to make sure everyone around is in the party. Best union we are. We do not have a wanna-be giant in our midst. Real leaders are SADC nations.