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Sanchez01:
Quebec remains a part of Canada and bears no resemblance with your Biafran madness.

Your arguments below are laughable.

1. For starters, the name Quebec was chosen by Samuel de Chaplain, a French Explorer. How is it related to the Eastern region?

Biafra was named for the Bight of Biafra which lay off the coast of eastern region. Would u rather we clamour for Eastern Regional Independence instead of Biafra independence? Cos we can...if u dont like the name.

2. SdC chose Quebec as the French Post for France new colony, while the Brits chose Lagos, a then province in the Western region as the British Post/administrative seat. How then is Quebec related to the old Eastern region?

In 1884, the headquarters of the British agent for the Bights of Benin and Biafra was moved from Fernando Po to Calabar and in 1889, the Oil Rivers Protectorate, later known as the Niger Coast Protectorate was established. This protectorate would later join Lagos to form Southern Protectorate and later Eastern and wester protectorates.

Arthur Richards divided Nigeria into three regions with little provinces springing from them. It is during this time that the Eastern region was birthed just as other region. Whereas, a Royal proclamation founded Quebec.

Lol a Royal proclamation was used to create all Nigerian regions...thats why they have distinct coat of arms under the crown. Every action of the Governor in Nigeria was sealed by a royal proclamation.

Quebec today is a French speaking territory within Canada and there are many factors to consider in the case of Quebec as against what you guys know;

1. Quebec is already like a foreign country with its own language, culture and civil law. The French in Quebec do not like the English.

Laughable The eastern region had an Igbo speaking population of 70% in 1965 and yes the Igbos dont like other Nigerians. Plus the eastern region had its own laws and system different from other 2 regions

2. Canada as a country is now bilingual due to a large French population in Quebec. This endeavour was also supposed to strengthen and French language and Quebec heritage in the Canadian lifestyle. Quebec maintains special laws and acts to restrict the use of English in their province while the rest of Canada spend millions on French language training, bilingual government access and bilingual packaging for industry. If any other province were to create a law to restrict French in their respective province, all hell would break loose.

what is all these gibberish. Do easterners speak hausa or yoruba? Do we have a mix of christianity and islam like north and west? Do we have same culture with u? No

Note: Quebec's call for secession is because they trace their origin to France. They well believe they are not English and have no business with them. Hence their call for separation. Like I mentioned earlier, WHERE ARE YOU GUYS FROM? HOW ARE YOU RELATED TO QUEBEC? HOW IS THE DISCOURSE OF CATALONIA A 'GREY AREA'? WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OR SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE EASTERN PART OF NIGERIA AND QUEBEC AS A PROVINCE WITH DISTINCT CULTURAL VALUES FROM THE REST OF CANADA

First of all quebec has a large Afican and asian population. Many quebecs are also fro belgium and spain so they do not all trace their origin to france. 2nd is u are asking easterners where they are from? Really? So we are not from the east? Ok we came from oshogbo

victorvezx:
U can have autonomy but u can still be under a country. Puerto Rico is autonomous, it governs itself, but still under America. It can't declare independence from America without America involvement. Catalonia is autonomous and self governing, but it is still under Spain. It can function as an autonomous region, but can't function as an independent country. The old eastern region was granted autonomy in 1954, but it was still under the control and part of Nigeria like every other region at the time. U are the one that do not understand how autonomy works

it means u have not been following the arguement. By autonomy it means that the SE and parts of SS which formed the old eastern region officially had authority to behave as one people. Nobody is arguing whether the authonomy is within Nigeria or not. But it grants them authority to function as one irrespective of tribe

victorvezx:
U are a liar. Quebec and the eastern region situation were not similar in any way. There was no vote to join Nigeria in 1957 because it was already part of Nigeria under the British. We were never independent by then to even decide anything without the British.

Self governing regions (1957) Edit
In 1957 the Western and the Eastern regions became formally self-governing under the parliamentary system. Similar status was acquired by the Northern Region two years later. There were numerous differences of detail among the regional systems, but all adhered to parliamentary forms and were equally autonomous in relation to the federal government at Lagos. The federal government retained specified powers, including responsibility for banking, currency, external affairs, defence, shipping and navigation, and communications, but real political power was centred in the regions. Significantly, the regional governments controlled public expenditures derived from revenues raised within each region.

Am tired of this argument. The three regions of Nigerians functioned as seperate countries with power of self determination prior to 1967 when gowon abolished the regions.

Self determination was giving to the province of south cameroon in 1961 by the eastern region without seeking permission from federal govt.

Sanchez01:
PS: Quebec isn't my focus in this discourse but Catalonia. Align with your strength and argue it out there.

I wont argue with u on catalonia again. 1st of all catalonia and Biafra are not similar in formation. Quebec, and Biafra are.
2nd. Catalonia is one ethnic group. Biafra, quebec, pakistan and south sudan arent.
3rdly. Catalonia is a long time part of spain. Quebec and canda, biafra and Nigeria, sudan and south sudan are all new creations of colonialism.

Catalonia will no be my focus in this discourse but Quebec, south sudan and pakistan. Align with your strength and argue it out there.

Sanchez01:
Oga, those who have their nose to the ground knows that Catalonia existed as an entity before they were captured by Spain and forced to lose their sovereignty.

By the way, that piece there is published by the Telegraph in the UK. Why would it then be a propaganda outlet when it is not Igberetv news?

Senegal was colonised by the French, but then, does it mean Senegal never existed before it was colonised? Your answer perfectly links to that of Catalonia and Spain.

Catalonians don't speak Spanish, rather they speak Catalan, a language which evolved from VULGAR LATIN. Despite being colonised by Spain, they still hang on to their language till date. Catalan is not a dialect of Spanish.

SPANISH language speakers might have a hard time understanding Catalan because they are not the same.

You clearly no next to nothing about Catalonia and Spain, yet you never stop comparing it to Biafra. Isn't it funny?

Now before you give me the Arochukwu nonsense, you might need to save me the stress by talking about the origins of the Igbos. Yorubas, Hausas, Edos, Urhobos all know their origins and align with it. If you would talk about Arochukwu or whatever it is, then you should do well to talk about your origin; how your people came to be. That way, we would have a better understanding of Biafra and perhaps do you the honour of comparing yourselves to Catalonia.

why do u keep skipping Quebec. Why are u hell bent on catalonia...which i insist is a gray area. Quebec and eastern nigeria came to be tru the same exact process and as at today, they occupy a national status in canada. And no they are not all one ethnic group. Not even one race. U may get a canadian visa, but u still might need a special permission to go to Quebec while in canada. How about them and us? Is there an ethnic group called Quebec?

victorvezx:
The old eastern region was created by the British, just like they created every other region. It was never independent. The eastern region only had autonomy under the Nigerian federation. U can't claim something u did not create in the first place.

Eastern Region
Administrative region
Country Nigeria
Autonomized 1 October 1954
Dissolved 27 May 1967
Capital Enugu
Largest city Port Harcourt
Government
• Type Parliamentary republic
• Body Eastern Nigerian Government
• Governor Francis Akanu Ibiam
• Premier Michael Okpara
• Legislature Bicameral
House of Chiefs
House of Assembly
Area
• Total 76,145.65 km2 (29,400.00 sq mi)
Population (1965)
• Total 12,000,000
• Density 160/km2 (410/sq mi)
Demonym(s) Easterner

Do u know what it means to have authonomy? It means u have become a legal entity capable of self determination.

victorvezx:
Catalonia existed as an independent kingdom before taken over by Spain. Quebec first existed as a French colony. Take note, this territories mentioned forst existed as autonomous entities. The igbos don't have this same similarities. Biafra never existed before Nigeria. It only came about through illegal secession attempt by Ojukwu. It came about only as Ojukwu solution to the massacred igbos in the north. Simple!!!

stop lying my guy. Quebec was created as part of canada tho majorly peopled by french speaking people. France cede all their territories in Americas to Britain and they are many. See the pics attached. The same status Quebec had at the creation of Nigeria was the same status Eastern Nigeria had in Nigeria. It became a fully authonomous, self governing region of Nigeria in 1954. It voted in 1957 to join an independent Nigeria. Hence why Zik the then premiere is credited with championing one Nigeria

Sanchez01:
When we ask you guys to get some knowledge, one would think it is an attempt at ridiculing your points.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/does-catalonia-want-independence-spain/

With the issue of Catalonia settled, you should know you are not even in the same rank with her. Biafra in itself was never an Igbo word and is not till date.

The Eastern region functioned as one of the many parts of the old design which got the country going. There was the Western Region, the Mid-western region, the Northern Region, the Middle Belt region and the Eastern Region. Interestingly, none of these regions were autonomous.

It is sad that an Internet user in this modern day and time would describe the old Catalonia as a mere settlement. This is 2018 and it is way too early to brandish ignorance in this manner.

First of all the article u quoted was obviously a catalan propaganda. 2ndly Catalans have been a part of spain and speak spanish longer than Igbos have been a part of Nigeria. 3rdly, there were Igbo kingdoms too. The Arochukwu empire which included modern day Abia and parts of Imo, Ebonyi, Rivers, cross rivers and Akwaibom. The Nri Empire which includes all of Enugu and Anambra and parts of Delta, Imo and Ebonyi. The 2 empires either directly ruled these territories or influence these territories tru trade and culture. The british conquared these 2 empires and united them into southern protectorate and later carved them out as Eastern region.
4thly the eastern region formed by the British had official autonomy and functioned as a nation. It was in 1954 that it attained self rule and authonomy. Compare that with 1953 for northern region.
5thly. You interestingly left Quebec and other examples I gave which a closely related to Eastern Nigeria, to emphasise on catalonia an obviously grey area. Wow.
South Sudan..what of it?
6th. Nigeria is not a Nigerian word so what do u mean Biafra is not an Igbo word? Are Igbos the only tribe in the autonomous Old Eastern Region Nigeria whose govt declared independence in 1967?

What I can respect is that the modern day clamour for Biafra should either be stopped or should only include the areas of the old eastern Nigeria... which sadly excludes Delta State, along with the many Igbo and Ijaw tribes in it.

Sanchez01:
I saw this coming. It is every IPOB calendar in the East. It is interesting that you recalled some past events but then failed to point out the main things.

When u are giving facts u start throwing childish tantrums

1. Was Biafra Eastern Region a sovereign territory compared to Catalonia before it was lumped to be a part of Nigeria?

Neither Catalonia, Easter Region Nigeria nor Quebec were soverign before being colonised as part of their current countries. All three merely constituted settlements. Catalans are an ethnic group who called their territory Catalonia. They later became part of Aragon. The area was conquared by both France and Spain. Only the people in the spanish boundry are asking for independence. So the 3 regions are alike. You also need to know that Pakistan and south sudan which would later carve out of their parent nations were never a soverignity before they both were colonised and lumped into India and Sudan respectives. Also both dont have homogeneous ethnic make up just like old Eastern Nigeria

The old Eastern region existed as a part of Nigeria before the late prick declared Biafra in 1967. So then, what are you saying?

Quebec and Catalonia (whose agitation you apparently find legitimate) also for may centuries has existed as a part of their current country. Catalonia has been part of spain for more than 500 years. Quebec which was created by Europeans have been part of Canada for more than 200 years. Eastern region is the youngest of all at just a little less than a century (1939-2017)

victorvezx:
Don't mind that ignorant tout, he thinks those countries and regions he listed have the same status as Biafra which never existed before Nigeria

Actually most did. There was never a Catalan Republic in history....it was Aragon, and not the geography of the current Catalonia. Quebec was created EXACTLY the same way Eastern Region (which became Biafra) was created. There never existed a Kurdistan Nation in history. The kurds (just like the Igbos) are an ethnic group scathered in different middle eastern country through colonisation. They want to come together and form a country.

I will overlook that u called me a tout

Sanchez01:
The regions you mentioned existed before they were lumped into their present countries. Catalan, for example, existed as a sovereign territory before it was conquered and lumped to being a part of Spain.

Now when you compare yourself to them, you give an impression that Biafra had long existed before it was beaten into subjection, which is false. Biafra never existed, particularly with the Igbos as a sovereign state. So then, what is the noise about?

Self determination in itself isn't a sin or a problem. But knowing that those claiming they want Biafra are never united makes it all the more interesting.

The Southern Nigeria Protectorate was formed in 1900 as a seperate country from north and by 1914 British colonial rule had established most of the administrative divisions in the Southern Nigeria Protectorate. In 1939, the Southern Province was divided into the Western and Eastern Province because of the two major tribes- Igbo and yoruba. During the 2nd world war period, the provinces were given more power due to shortage of personnel, including powers to recruit their own provincial Army. The provinces basically functioned as seperate countries till 1963 Republican constitution.

All the regions I mentioned were created the same way southern (later eastern and western) Nigeria province was created- by colonial powers. They were also lumped into their current Nations either by willingly joining (Qubec and Eastern Nigeria), or by colonisation (Ireland and the others)

Eastern Nigeria became Biafra in 1967

bandad:
You will be annoyed if I call myself stupid or an idiot.

No I wont

vertueptime:
Where u mentioned his name, not every one is an illiterate, it was implied

it wasnt implied... i simply stated that death do not discriminate btw old and young....u however stated that the old man will outlive a young guy like me....i ask God to take care of u and ensure ur prayer return to u

vertueptime:
Plus ur not assured tomorrow, why wish death upon someone, hes someones son, husband and brother, or is ur life more precious, im sure in ur entire family u dnt have any one highly placed like him

point to me where i wished anybody death....as for u... ur prayer for me will meet u soon

vertueptime:
Lol the tin pain you, shagari is someones father

so? Did i wish him dead? Hw can u pray a 94 yr old man outlive someone who is still in his 20s? I have no doubt that ur prayer will return to u

vertueptime:
And shagari myt outlive you sef

If thats ur prayer for me, I kneel and cry to God of retributive justice that it returns to u. No father should have to bury his son...u fool

HungerBAD:
Laughing.

Another white elephant project.

Why do Easterners like taking their own brothers and sisters for a ride?why can't these guys see that these people that want to fight for them is lining their pockets?it has always been about the money.

The scam is simple.

A group of guys come together in the East. They then give themselves some fancy name. Make a little bit of noise,and when they get noticed, they then start soliciting for fund from every Where,including foreign countries for their agitation.

Ralph Nwazuruike is a very rich man now. Today, where is the Massob he founded?Nnamdi Kanu won the jackpot, as he did not only fleece the poor market people in the East,and everywhere.

He also won the lottery, when it was reported that Israel gave him $4,000,000 For his agitation since he claimed to be a Jew.

Today where is the Conman?

This group has come too to take their share.

shut up....Qubec, catalonia, kurdistan, palestine and western sahara have all been fighting for self determination in their own different ways now for decades... same with biafra. U feel its the same group fighting for all these while in these different agitations? Why are u mad at the new pro Biafra group?

Successful self determination fights in recent times include Irish republic, south sudan, eritrea and the nations of the former soviet union.

Self determination fights are hard to win and takes long time....but not impossible and doesnt go on forever

SW should step up. Abia shouldnt be on that list. The IPOB issue rekindled a sense of pride and ethno-patriotism in them. The killings there by soldiers is little compared to badoo killings in sw last yr. As for Aba, the once dirty city is now receiving the much needed attention.

Damn....the way death comes...truly like a thief...an apparently healthy 18 yr old is dead.... an old, sickly Shehu Shagari is still alive

newoffer:
. Igbos are not politicians . Bring up the business sense into politics. Play politics as a wise people. Igbos are not United. vote Buhari and get your slots.

it seems igbos are united on this one brother....no vote for buhari in 2019 u are the one not being wise here

GraGra247:
They're Niger republic cappers that send kids to beg while they wait nearby. They abuse and deprive those kids if they fail to comply.

Heartbreaking that they get the girls pregnant at age 10. By 11 they're nursing mothers and 3 years after they send their kids to beg and the cycle continues.

Govt. should seriously look into this chronic abuse.

ya either Niger or Chad....mostly chad

GworoChewinMaga:
I will just leave this statistic here so you know these APC people are shameless liars

https://ieltsband7.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/image001-1.png

China is the world's largest rice producers and they did not even smell 2million metric tonnes and here these bastards are claiming their LAKE rice production to be 15million tonnes!

Incredible

I got no love for APC but that china value is actually over 1 billion metric tonnes. 15 million is a fration of that

gawu1:
Buhari does not even need the votes of 5 percenters to win. Let them wast it on Atikuchukwu, the new Ojuku and the incarnated Kanu. But surely, as magnanimous person who knows meaning of equity, he will certainly canvass support for the 5percenters to succeed him.

Good...let him do wat he wants, while the 4% (actually) do wat we must

Okoroawusa:
That is y Igbo's ve to get on board now.We ve to learn to do politics with our head not heart.

u are the one doing it with ur heart....gambling with ur reputation by voting an untrustworthy man believing he will gv u a presidency he never promised u is a height of immaturity... and this is coming from someone who voted the bigot in 2015

igbodefender:
Enemy of the Igbo spotted.

So how foolish shall we Igbos look if after voting buhari (who we rejected in 2003, 2007, 2011 & 2015) and he eats his word and nominates a SW politician in 2023 to replace him?
Better stand on principle mr man

igbodefender:
Igbos, vote for Buhari in 2019 to make Igbo Presidency feasible in 2023!

shut up