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HardMirror can't you see you are running mad? Even those who were atheists before you still have their senses intact.

My friend, who is chasing you? What is chasing you? Have you studied yourself and see how far you are no more yourself?

Maybe you're the best specie to be used to study evolution again.

I'm not telling you to run back to God ooo but just please come back to your senses cos we still need you around the human species.

Respect - gone
Humility - away
Maturity - absent
Responsibility -?

Just be watchful. You're the first person I will talk to like this on nairaland but please learn to respect the belief of others even when against them. Thank you.

akintom:
There's no difference between intelligence and wisdom (only if you ponder on this without Bible lens).

I call intelligence - "working sense".

To arrive at the sense, that delivers results which improves human existence, the brain must be engaged in continuous work, on ever evolving knowledge.

The ability to weave voluminous and complex knowledge into beautiful fabric, is intelligence.

We have almost the same thoughts about intelligence.

I believe intelligence is the extent or degree of knowledge acquired and the application of such knowledge to solve issues.

But for you to say there's NO difference between knowledge and wisdom, it means we have to define both.

I think wisdom is the application of knowledge whether acquired or not which gives good or better advantage and the results of applied wisdom is acceptable as a good decision or good judgment.

Let me just say wisdom is the perfect application of knowledge. What do you think?

There can be persons with the same level of intelligence but one can be seen to be wise or wiser through the results gotten from how they apply the same knowledge to solve issues.

analice107:
Intelligence is not Wisdom. Even wisdom differs. Not all wisdom comes from God.

There's divine wisdom

The wisdom of Man and,

The of the Devil.

James 3:13-17
Are there any of you who are wise and understanding?

You are to prove it by your good life, by your good deeds performed with humility and wisdom.

But if in your heart you are jealous, bitter, and selfish, don't sin against the truth by boasting of your wisdom.


Such wisdom does not come down from heaven; it belongs to the world, it is unspiritual and demonic.


Where there is jealousy and selfishness, there is also disorder and every kind of evil.

But the wisdom from above is pure first of all; it is also peaceful, gentle, and friendly; it is full of compassion and produces a harvest of good deeds; it is free from prejudice and hypocrisy.

Thank you sis. Our lifestyle or behavior reflects the kind of wisdom we possess. Hmmmm

This should be in the jokes section.

Well, I will personally see to it that she improves. Apart from investing my money into her education, I will also invest my time in educating her like never before.

Diplomaticbeing:
All wise people are intelligent but not all intelligent people are wise. Wisdom is superior to intelligence just like knowledge is superior to information.

Thank you.

What I learnt here is, it's not all those that brag about their intelligence that are wise.

At least some are wise

Ranchhoddas:
I do not claim intelligence or anything. From my experience, when religious people are backed into a corner, they start saying things like ''you think you are smart'', ''the foolishness of God is the wisdom of men'', ''your intelligence will not save you'' and similar things. This is a display of insecurity. The average atheist is more informed, more analytical and more enlightened that the average religious person. This is fact!!!

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If you choose to construe this as a display of superior intelligence then there's little anyone can do about that.

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That's good to know.

Well, in my own case, they talk about their intelligence before I even think of going that way. When you're discussing with someone and then you declare how intelligent you are at the expense of whom you're discussing with.. What do you call that?

You make it sound like anyone who is more intelligent is better of but events that take place in our world today put that hypothesis to shame.

The fact you put there isn't a fact because they were once religious and it was that religion that led them to walk the path of seeking knowledge. They are still religious because God is the major factor of their belief system. And I don't believe they are more intelligent than the religious. Even if they are, are they wise after all their intelligence? Maybe you would also want to say it's a fact they are wiser than the religious.

Anyone who is educated have the capability of being more intelligent.

But it's so amazing all the intelligence being bragged about is just based on scientific arguments. If a religious person steps into that argument and made you aware he isn't naive of all those, does that make him any less intelligent? What makes him different is the different view.

I should even praise the religious for being able to adapt to both science and his belief and not just limiting himself to science.

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All I'm saying is they should wait for others to tell them that instead of announcing it all over like a baby. It's just a simple courtesy. There's nothing wrong with bragging you're intelligent for once, but when you continue doing that, wouldn't it be termed as childish?

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And Ranchhoddas, you don't need to claim intelligence before I will know you are. Personally, I haven't seen you fault in that.

luvmijeje:
Yes oooo. To round it up, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Thank you so much dear.

mrmrmister:
Lol,
Wisdom is superior to intelligence.
Everyone is intelligent, but not everyone can tap into that intelligence.

Intelligence is natural, Wisdom is acquired.

Wisdom is a reflection of a person's journey so far in life.
Where you've been, people you've met, things you've experienced.
Bits by bits wisdom is acquired.

Lmfao, and I don't support the notion that atheists are more intelligent than theists.


It depends on why you're whichever.


Good morning bennyann

Stop laughing me jor

Seems you're trying to say everyone has the potential to be intelligent but not everyone can get it. I agree because Getting it will depend on the opportunities given to them and their capabilites and also, their aspirations.

But don't you think intelligence has so much to do with acquired knowledge than wisdom?

And I won't respond to your greeting until you stop laughing at me

Naijadeyhia, 4everGod I've missed you so much. I hope you're still alive

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Is Intelligence the same as wisdom?

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The rate at which you guys talk about intelligence.. That led me to recheck my dictionary so what do you think? Are they the same?

Ranchhoddas:
Religious people always feel threatened by what they perceive to be the intelligence of freethinkers and so, they come up with things like ''wisdom'' and ''spiritual insight'' without ever really explaining what they mean.

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An atheist is not necessarily smarter than you; he's just braver. Don't feel insecure.

It's amazing how it's those who are brave and secured that stress a lot on the word intelligence.

If you're really secured how come you can't do without singing it? You're so obsessed with telling people how intelligent you are?

Your works or words will make us know that. I'm a kind of person that can't hide praising someone when he deserves it. So can't you wait for others to call you that instead of trolling around like a child and screaming I'm intelligent.

We all know who makes the loudest noise

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And Ranchhoddas, it's been a long time. I learnt that style from you, you know

TheSunOfMors:
An atheist cannot be any more miserable than a Christian in the face of the unknown. Whether you know Jesus or not, reality unfolds the same, the pattern doesn't alter and the rules do not change. When it comes to the unknown, the Christian is not any less disadvantaged than the atheist. Yet, even at this point, intelligence is of great importance, being the most reliable weapon a sentient being can ever hope to employ in navigating through life and its hurdles. The stüpid are hopeless , luck is their only saving grace. Their fate is more or less sealed. There's no guarantee of "survival".

I'm sorry but I don't believe in the hopelessness of anyone especially when they are still alive. Their fate is not in your hands for you to know if it's sealed.

What if it happens the ones you call stupid, are stupid ONLY TO YOU?

Seriously speaking, some of us don't have the right to Call others stupid. I wouldn't even be surprised if the "stupid ones" are intelligent in areas where you are not.

Is the unknown "when and where it [color=maroon]MATTERS MOST[/color]"? Well, maybe for some, but deFINItely not for all. What do I mean? The meaning of life, the purpose of existence, the fate of the soul, those are WHAT MATTER MOST. These are no longer on my list of the "unknown", so nothing can possibly render my intelligence useless .

This is serious ooo . Nothing can render your intelligence useless? Tell me something intelligence you got or stole from people, or the one you get from your creation? Intelligence that keeps advancing or the one that's permanent? Intelligence that's been annulled or the one that's been accepted? Intelligence whose result isn't reliable or the one whose result isn't valid? Intelligence that hasn't come to a conclusion or the one that's still in the process of being realistic?

Of course, I'm not omniscient, for that's the province of Gods. In terms of the big picture, I'm cleared, even if I not privy to the fine details. That's all I need for my cosmic journey. I'm not all-knowing, but that's where evolution is taking us - to divinity. I know my fate, I'm a God-in-the-making, who has no cause to fear "unknowns", the knowledge of which makes me an elite soul.

Well, you're just like me then. I doubt if I fear the unknown but how can we know if we can decide not to fear what we don't know?

Besides, I didn't say you should be afraid of what you don't know. I don't preach fear dear, I only said what if the unknown is what matters.. But no need saying all these to you since you know the unknown and you know your fate.

I like your faith talk, at a point in time I thought you were a Christian . There's nothing wrong with encouraging yourself.

And can you make known your alternate moniker?

I've seen the word related to intelligence so many many many times on the religion section of Nairaland. There are some group of people who take this "intelligence" to another level which reflects their unnecessary display of superiority in that aspect.

This brings me to wonder and ponder if intelligence is the same as wisdom because of the bragging power possessed by the so called intelligent minds.

Well, I got the below from quora:

1. Intelligence leads to arguments. Wisdom leads to settlements.

2. Intelligence is power of will. Wisdom is power over will.

3. Intelligence is heat, it burns. Wisdom is warmth, it comforts.

4. Intelligence is pursuit of knowledge, it tires the seeker. Wisdom is pursuit of truth, it inspires the seeker.

5. Intelligence is holding on. Wisdom is letting go.

6. Intelligence leads you. Wisdom guides you.

7. An intelligent man thinks he knows. A wise man knows he thinks.

8. An intelligent man always tries to prove his point. A wise man knows there really is no point.

9. An intelligent man freely gives unsolicited advice. A wise man keeps his counsel.

10. An intelligent man understands what is being said. A wise man understands what is left unsaid.

11. An intelligent man speaks when he has to say something. A wise man speaks when he has something to say.

12. An intelligent man sees everything as relative. A wise man sees everything as related.

13. An intelligent man is always insistent. A wise man is ever consistent.

14. An intelligent man tries to control the flow. A wise man goes with the flow.

15. An intelligent man is wordy. A wise man is worldly.

16. An intelligent man preaches. A wise man reaches.


Knowledge comes, but wisdom lingers. – Alfred, Lord Tennyson

A wise man knows not only how to solve problems but even prevent the problem from arising.

A wise man sometime does not solve a problem when he knows that the solution would be worse than the problem

A wise man sometime accepts the problem as part of life and learns to live with it instead of trying to solve them.

https://www.quora.com/Wisdom-Whats-the-difference-between-being-intelligent-and-being-wise

So isn't it high time we stopped bragging about intelligence since it isn't even the principal thing?

Proverbs 4:7
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

To the Christians, Jesus Christ is our wisdom.

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1Ti 1:12‭-‬17 NIV
http://bible.com/111/1ti.1.12-17.NIV


So Lord please awaken their consciences, especially the consciences of those behind the monikers mentioned here. Bless them with a living and an active conscience so they will have a sincere faith borne out of pure love for you in Jesus name - Amen.

The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
1Timothy 1:5 NIV

Timothy, my son, I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well, holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.
1Ti 1:18‭-‬19 NIV
http://bible.com/111/1ti.1.18-19.NIV

Sincere Faith in God goes hand in hand with a pure heart and a good conscience.
This shows the conscience of many are as good as dead. Their consciences aren't active.

So Lord, I pray you awaken the consciences of those who are ignorant of you. Awaken the conscience of those who blaspheme You. For its only when their consciences are active, that's when they will be pricked after they believe they can stand or argue against You.

Funny people. So what should we do this time they took the head?

And which of the jesus' statutes? Isn't it the one of actors?

So called Christians should stop disgracing themselves I beg.

They cut the head of jesus, they went to put it back but this time the head was stolen.... What a story... So shameful...

God please give your people wisdom.

Luckily, Jesus’ head was left behind and the church was able to reattach it on Saturday. But the next day, vandals struck again.

Luckily ke...... Can you imagine?

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Me I can't fight over a statue cos Jesus Christ isn't a statue But the violators should be tamed if caught. Because their mindset behind cutting off the head of a statue reflects their hatred for Christians and shouldn't be left unattended to. If not tackled now, the cutting off of the head of Christians will be the next news. I think they are sending a message.

ScienceWatch:
By the way, I found proof that you and Libradeus and mike137 think and mention the same. Are they your alternate monikers ?

Hahn, please come and answer ooo. I'm very interested in this.

ScienceWatch, you have no idea if hahn envies the balls and needs to borrow for a while, just maybe that's why he's obsessed with it. He is a man you know..

So just leave that one between him and God.

Hahn bring yourself here...

ScienceWatch:
A dictionary definition of religion is ; a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. Lets see how Libradeus will wiggle himself out of this one.

Now we see clearly that atheism is a religion because of the great devotion shown by Libradeaus and his alternate moniker Hahn.

Right, the dictionary definition proves Atheism is a religion, but atheist claim that it is not a religion because it dont suit them.

From what I see, thanks to HOND, is that the atheist religion is already split into two camps ; "Coward Atheists and "Brave Atheists" because of a major shift in atheistic doctrine brought to the frontline by their failed prophets Richard Dawkins and Harris.

Studies have shown that sport is the new religion, beating atheism by 94%

blueAgent , bennyann , Pidgin2 , Kingebukasblog , Junia , Libradeus

ScienceWatch, good day. Sorry for showing up late.

Please, first of all I will like to know if truly LiberaDeus is hahn

LiberaDeus:
Actually our nature of intelligence is the same format.
The difference is that when logic is killed by religion, instead of the institutions to go back and admit and reform their beliefs, they invoke copouts and excuses, they invent fake virtues like blind faith( accepted stupidity), spiritual eyes and they lash out at the messengers and the contradictions pile up.

Religions always started logically, they logically tried to explain the world, the only problem is that religions claimed supreme authority and didn't offer the option of being possibly wrong, as time elapsed, knowledge increased and clear religious doctrines were found to be laughable and wrong, the religious institutions have just reacted to that by claiming superior spiritual knowledge.

Let's look at the world from the 18th century till today
Scientists studied the world and didn't claim to have definite, unshakable , universal truths. Because of this fact, science had modified and remodified its theories countless times without any hassle and the world is better for it.

Religions at that time claimed to have the eternal truth and from that time on, what we have been seeing in religious institutions is division and divisions, fighting against sciences advancements, fighting to maintain moral relevance and most importantly losing numbers.

This analogy reminds me of a powerful statement that Jesus made in the bible
" he who humbles(science) himself will be exalted and he who exalts himself would be humbled(religion)"

I understand all you are trying to say and I agree with most. It's just that you're making it sound like religion stopped you from growing scientifically or logically. I think we are the ones stopping ourselves from growing and blaming it on religion.

But brother, did Christianity also stop you from growing logically or scientifically? I think it's individuals that decide to be ignorant and remain there.

There's nothing wrong with getting knowledge, understanding and wisdom, then worshipping God in the midst of all these. Or did the Bible tell you not to increase or grow in knowledge?

I think this is what happens when we give God our part to do.

I like your conclusion so much and it's funny but don't forget you are the ones bragging now.... Maybe religion will go back to its first position as a result

LiberaDeus:
Haha Haha madam,

I won't deceive anyone.

I will take your word for it as long as I don't hear pim

hopefulLandlord:
Absolutely!!!

That's my guy

But extend it more to nairaland also... Don't make us think you are what you are not

Seun:
The difference is that she is likely to be right, because her position is based on evidence and logic, while their position is based on blind faith.

It's good to know not all faiths are blind.

It's not about intelligence. It's about rationality, skepticism, intellectual honesty, scientific education, etc. Religious people can have high IQs.

We are all rational beings and I'm sure there are religious people that are intellectually honest.

We also know "freethinkers" can't do without talking about intelligence. It's just so amazing how a certain group of people brag about intelligence like they know it all.

It seems the new meaning for intelligence is the absence of God. That's what I sense anytime I see the word here.

akintom:
Assumptions, abstractions and perplexity, which in the first place, created the god idea in the minds of the cave men.

Then I think you are also a cave man. The difference between you and them is that the assumptions created a no God idea in your mind.

Like science don't make assumptions and it wasn't the assumptions that lead to research, theories and facts.

It's not surprising that 21st century folks still romance this basic level of thinking. It evidenced the power of religious beliefs, as it inhibits human minds from advancing into critical and realistic thought mode.


Who's omniscient?
What's omniscient?
What practical use is omniscience?

I'm not stopping you from romancing with your apex level of thinking. Reality is relative.

At least you know there's a limit to your thinking faculty.

And stop sounding as though you don't know there are unknowns.

You're still doing infantile abstract thinking.

Why will you say "in fact"?

When you even can't tell me just ONE instance, that my intelligence can't help me.

Sir, I don't disagree with you my thinking seems infantile because sometimes the simple things seem to be the answers especially when not expected but I never knew your intelligence can help you in all instances.

You shouldn't be putting in the public place, that which you can't intelligently discuss then.

I expect no less from a mind prodded, by primitive pattern of thinking. That's the summary of religious beliefs.

Intelligently discuss? You guys and intelligence.

I have the right to public discussion whether it sounds intelligent or not. Sir akintom, if you don't like it, please don't stoop so low to my level. I only thought it wouldn't be respectful if I did not reply your previous quote, that's why I replied and also made you aware I wouldn't want to go further.

I wouldn't want to give a summary of your irreligious beliefs and its impact on the way you think. I don't want to climb too high to your level because I can't I guess.

Thank you...

LiberaDeus:
If we are outspoken, our words will always exist in their minds and when they start questioning, those who are born to be free[ not the delusional, bigoted] will find that freedom.

The human mind is a pattern recognizing entity, you must throw signs or an idea into it, once that is done, even if it takes years the person who receives the idea will begin to see the patterns.

You've even stolen how to evangelize from churches

Heiii, LiberaDeus ooo

Now I understand what you mean by being outspoken, that's by preaching

LiberaDeus:
We can't let darkness dominate just because they have more numbers. We hold the real light of mental freedom and I think its selfish for us to even go as far as pretending to be like them. You might never record any atheist convert but somewhere someone is seeing the real life of an atheist.

What's now the difference between you and the religious ones? you keep calling each other darkness and calling yourselves light. Na wa oooooo

When some are thinking of liberating the soul, my oga is thinking of liberating the mind. Everything is just about mental power and intelligence to you.

The difference between you and the religious is that your nature of intelligence is contrary to theirs. You like playing around with being the smartest and the most intelligent.......

Who told you, you yourself have been liberated mentally? Or what makes you think so? The fact that you are free from religious mentality doesn't mean you are not in bondage to another form of mental captivity.

Seun:
But I don't think I would want to hide my beliefs from someone I am dating, unless I'm not looking for anything serious with that person. If she can't handle it, then it was never going to work.

Bravo . I respect you more for that Evangelist Seun

@hopefulLandlord: Striving to be known for something positive before people learn that you're an atheist is a super idea; thanks for sharing it.

That sounds like you don't want to be loved for whom you are but for what you've achieved. In other words, you want people to love you for your achievement and not for you.

Do you really like it like that?

hopefulLandlord:
In my own case, I'm not as popular as Seun, but I try to make sure everyone that knows I'm an atheist already knows a lot of other good things about me and I do this like my life depends on it BECAUSE it might depend on it!

I'm known more for being charitable, very kind, considerate, jovial at times, very gentle, focused, knowledgeable about many things, always ready to help when I can, very slow to anger (very very slow to anger), good listener, counsellor etc of course that doesn't mean I'm a doormat or a sissy, far from it, I do stand firm and put my foot down when necessary but since my source of livelihood isn't in anyway connected to my area, those times are very rare and while I'm very private, I welcome almost anyone into my home

What this does is that once someone that has known me more for such things find out I'm an atheist, he/she doesn't have this violent emotional reaction or look of disdain

I've lost count of the number of times people have approached me to ask directly if I'm really an atheist like someone told them and I'll reply in the affirmative, they'll then say that they thought I was a "Christian" all these while because I behave like one

Brother Hope, are you sure?

JackBizzle:
My guy, why are you talking with a forked tongue

He don come. What's deceptive about that now?

If Jesus is your problem in all I said there so far, please go look for Him and settle it with Him, OK?

akintom:
Pls state the exact WHERE and WHEN that matters, that my intelligence won't help me!

In the "unknown" now. What if the "unknown" is the where and when it matters most? Your intelligence can't help you always because you are not omniscient, infact all of the intelligence put together is not even to the beginning level of the omniscient.

You know very well intelligence isn't death proof. After eating, sleeping and all the merry making and wealth gaining, the foolish and the wise here on earth have the same destiny, the same fate, the same end....

Isn't it amazing how intelligence can't separate you from the ignorant ones at some point?

I personally believe there's life elsewhere. Just as you may personally believe in the opposite. They are all beliefs.

And don't think of branching akintom, I won't follow you there. I still still have a whole lot to read on this thread.

Thank you.

Is this a prophecy or faith speaking?

Anyway, whatever is good for Nigeria I go with it.

I say Amen

I don't want buhari = I don't want a democratically elected president.

Na wa oooooo. English is not easy. Communication problems

However way you turn it OP, I believe you understand whatever he was trying to say

akintom:
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Based on my experience in married life, am very clear about one thing, which is that relationships are as unique as each one.

This means that when you get involved with someone, you must strive to understand what works with the person.

In case an atheist have marriage in view when dating, i advice that full disclosure be the option (my personal opinion though).

You will be justified when complications (beliefs conflict) occurs in future, if only you have dealt truthfully at the onset.

Wow!

LiberaDeus, hope you are learning ooo. Don't go and deceive one Christian girl somewhere or you will not enjoy your marriage the way you should

There are indeed different types of atheists. The pure minded ones and the........