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abouzaid:
the Fulani herdsmen are the fourth most deadly terrorist organization in the world last year and would likely occupy the foursth position this year, the man they kidnapped is a actually a retired dss director.

Awhaie:
lol.......

I know you can see clearly, so you can cast your gaze down on me from the sun for as long as you wish, ye Enchantress from the stars, but even the Holy Spirit knows that my "obstinacy" will DEFINITELY deprive you of seeing "that very thing you're so eager to see" .

You can put me in your prayers though. I wish you the best as you have fun conversing with God.

Awhaie:
Pertaining to that, I'm immune to penalties, 'cause exclusive of this, I do not operate any moniker on nairaland, as I "killed" the antecedent ones the moment they put on a kibosh vis-à-vis portraying my dispositions.

I've changed a bit, so they're no longer me; I had to bring them down.

Awhaie:
lol....... I gave it away already. I blew my cover so soon.

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LiberaDeus:
You didnt read nor try to understand what i wrote there.

Firstly, you have no concrete proof or study that shows that just a tiny margin of people can live morally without a fear of god. If there is such a study, please show me the link to it.

You just reason things out based on your own myopic reasoning. Please am waiting for a link that shows a study conducted on freethinkers which shows that just a tiny fraction of them can live morally without god. I can help you out by pointing real life examples, countries like Japan, sweden, denmark, china etc have a population of freethinkers that exceeds the 40% mark by a reasonable margin but am sure you wont argue with the fact that these societies are much more civil, peaceful and enjoy a far lesser crime rate all without the fear of your sky bogeyman.

Instead of you to ask the right question which is - What makes humans behave morally?

Well let me list out things that will ensure morality in human societies
1. Empathy for members of our species
2. Strong laws that enforce tangible punishment
3. Strong institutions that have grown over a period of time through trial and error
4. High level of intelligence in a population

The above mentioned factors are not made stronger by religion.

The factor you have been hammering about which is number 2 on my list( a fear of punishment) is something that freethinkers have in equal measure with religious people. The laws setup by human beings are 100 times more effective than a religious fear of god. A perfect example will be nigeria
Most people in nigeria are religious people therefore they have an excessive fear of god
Our institutions are weak and law enforcement is a joke here

Now do the little experiment of dropping your phone in the middle of ojuelegba or a bundle of money and lets see if you will see it after 20 minutes. In such a case, what caused the immoral act of theft?

Its clear that such acts will always occur where the institutions are weak no matter the strength of the religious adherence in the country. Kindly repeat the same experiment in japan and compare results.

The moment i want to do business with anyone and he tells me he is a Pastor, thats the end. You religious people are the most unstable, immoral people on the planet. Thats why where you guys dominate is always filled with immorality counter to your claims of morality.

You keep hammering on the fear of god, what if your god requires you to do something that we term objectively immoral like suicide bombing or drinking dettol?

With your logic of taking orders from any so called virtual deity that always needs a man to speak for it, imagine the disaster that has been caused because of the wrong orders coming from that deity or its servants. The funny thing is that god never speaks or appears to anyone, it has to be one of his trusted conmen.

This fact makes you people very dangerous, you guys can ;
1. Deny medicare to your sick child to show faith
2. Can shun your sick mother because you believe she is a witch
3. Can steal money and pay tithe to your church
4. can kill, steal, rape and sell girls into slavery and see it as the holy will of god
5. Conduct slave trade for a period of 5 centuries and justify it with your bible
6. Rape little boys and get away with it
7. Colonize nations under the pretext of giving them the light of the gospel

You guys can do all these and not even feel a thing in your conscience and even if you feel bad, you just have to ask for forgiveness and in 2 seconds you feel better about yourself and you dont even try to make up for your crimes. Thats why religious people are dangerous.

Awhaie:
Your "softheartedness" isn't a sign of weakness. It's a strength that wins over the splenetic, 'cause you have "no bile in your spleen", ma'am.

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jonbellion:
you were making sense before
You now ruined it by adding holy spirit
Who holy spirit epp

Seun:
We all experience misfortunes from time to time. It has little to do with God. My life today is challenging, but I'm luckier than many Christians.

If you really believe that declaring that something will happen makes it happen, you should declare something more important e.g the discovery of a drug that can cure every form of cancer in 2017, the eradication of malaria in 2017, or that Economists will take over the CBN in 2017.

Mbkite:
seun will later in life become a preacher of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

just save this thread.

niyihawking:
kikikikikikiki loooool.

thanks for the clarity, so even the Christian god, Muslim god and all other gods ain't god too cos they are created.

kontinu

realmindz:
oh my I feel like crying, so touching

realmindz:
I have observed you have a soft heart, that's why Christianity and its delusions appeal so much to you.
Seun has advanced far beyond your level of reasoning so you may never be able to fathom it

niyihawking:
please specify the god you are referring to exactly, don't let the wrath of FSM fall on you

jonbellion:
don't be naive baby girl
The only reason why it would seem like that is simply because most athiests on this forum where former christians so it would only be rational to criticise the faith they grew up in
Because that is where they would be most knowledgeable on.
Attack
Do you even know what attack is.
Criticism is not attack
Christians are the ones that try to influence the outdated policies in everybody's lives
Christianity is the most actively evangelical (as in trying to sell itself) religion on the planet. There isn't a poor, isolated tribe in the middle of the Amazonian jungle that isn't harassed by Christian missionaries trying to get them to give up their traditional beliefs and embrace Christ. Sooner or later, these Christianized groups start causing trouble for everyone else.Christianity is almost certainly the most virulent, anti-social religion on the planet. Christians are spending more money in your community to build churches, start radio stations and recruit your friends and neighbours to their cult than any other spiritual belief. If you want to prevent the encroachment of irrational beliefs and obnoxious behaviour in your community, Christianity is the movement that's most urgent to resist. Christians attack other groups, like atheists, gay people and other religions, campaign against civil liberties, promote abstinence only against all the evidence, try to insinuate their mythology into science classes, meddle in politics and blame natural disasters on things they don't like, then whine about being persecuted when they don't get everything their own way?
If you attack others, don't complain when they retaliate.
I'm tired of repeating this again and again
There is nothing special in Christianity
Buhdists don't behave this way
Hindus don't behave this way
Islam(to an extent does not behave this way)
Jainism does not behave this way
I have never seen a muslim on this forum threaten a person with eternal fire or call all religion followers "demon possessed "
As for the christians I can point you to Analce107

Edwinmason:
seun what do you derive from mocking christianity...despite the ill practice of islam you never condemn them but you are quick to push a topic that ridicule christianity to front page is because you are the owner of nairaland...you are always quick to support any thread that insult christianity but you never show up in moslems thread.,..you are not an atheist seun you just hate christianity

felixomor:
Seun, we can see your interest in miracles is widening....

I hope u believe miracles occur now?
All be it the comedian in the video sings like someone that has been humbled and forced to sing.
Having heard of the miracle......

analice107:
You mean the way he was and is still mad at Apostle Paul?

analice107:
Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
Philippians:1:15

The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
Philippians:1:16

But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
Philippians:1:17

What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Philippians:1:18

JackBizzle:
You really dont know where hinduism is practiced or you are just acting silly?

What is with religion and poverty? For every rich pastor, there are thousands of church members suffering in sheer poverty!

Niflheim:
@Jackbizzle,

Poverty is in the genes and the DNA of religion!!!

1.Franciscan monks were known for taking the vow of poverty!!!

2.Theravada Buddhism still practices the traditional form of this activity. During the morning, monks take their begging bowls and go out into the community to seek food.

3.The caste system in Hinduism encourages poverty for the dark-skinned dalits!!!

4.An ascetic in jainism philosophy embraces poverty and "masters" his physical appetites!!!

In the image below, is the buddhist monks with their begging bowls!!!

JackBizzle:
Studies have already been done. Please read;

Religiosity Highest in World's Poorest Nations
"Each of the most religious countries is relatively poor, with a per-capita GDP below $5,000. This reflects the strong relationship between a country's socioeconomic status and the religiosity of its residents. In the world's poorest countries -- those with average per-capita incomes of $2,000 or lower"
http://www.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx

JackBizzle:
Oga, you are missing the point.

I am not saying that religion is the only cause of poverty.

I am saying that religion seems to be prevalent among poor countries.

Please, name one country that is highly religious and ranks in the top 5 most developed countries in the world.

randomperson:
Not all atheists are rich... In fact, there are probably more rich Christians than rich atheists but a sample of poor people will show a deeply religious demography

randomperson:
No one is saying religion is the sole cause of poverty. We're saying people resort to religion as an opium for poverty.
Most of the richest and most literate countries have significant percentages of irreligious people while most poor countries are deeply religious.

randomperson:
The more comfortable you get, the less your need for a sky daddy...
There is also a theory I've read about, that countries with the best welfare programs have high atheist populations...
So if the government can take care of the people, the people see no need for god