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It's always a good sign when a team plays badly and still wins, I can actually see Ghana winning the whole tournament. I am predicting a Ghana vs Ivory Coast final!!

Ghana is the Pacesetter in every way in west Africa, of course Nigeria can learn from Ghana

Partially true

To praise colonialism is like highlighting the positive side of rape. Most of the perceived "benefits" could have been achieved without colonialism

Gbawe: Ghana's power outage issues are nothing to celebrate. They have their issues but the comparatively responsive leadership the Country enjoys means they will sort it out in the end - usually ASAP. So, those wishing doom and gloom on Ghana are wasting their time. I was in Ghana in 2007 for three months when load shedding means that electricity in virtually every household was 12 hours on and 12 hours off because of certain challenges. The same thing happening now, happened then. I.e some Nigerians jeered. In the end the Government sorted out issues and steady power returned.

Despite the myth of 24/7 power, Ghana has teething issues that means period of outgages can be seen but electricity supply is still generally reliable. The complaint of Ghanaians now, is no different to anything in the past and some Nigerians should stop the spiteful jubilation. I was in Ghana recently (2 months ago) and despite hearing of "serious outages" before I got there, I found power to be steady. You guys should look below at Ghanaians lamentation of "serious outage" you think spells disaster for their nation to know that it is your Nation that deserves to be laughed at.


http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=233452

Gbawe, I have to commend you for your truthful dispassionate response to the topic. You have shown a maturity which is often hard to find on this forum.

Some small minded people still fail to see how intertwined our fates are and how important it is for west Africa to continue to see stability and growth.

Anyway you know you're doing something right when people from a country with as much potential as Nigeria wait with bated breath for the day you fall. Unfortunately it's a false alarm this time and God willing we will see another beautifully organised, free and fair election soon which will further cement Ghana's image as a beacon of democracy and stability in west Africa.

Ghana did it in a Civilized way as you would expect

Get over yourself, there are good things happening in Ghana don't hate. Ghana has a long way to go but it's certainly on the right track and certainly more transparent than Libya ever was.

Part of the reason why Africa and probably Nigeria in particular isn't moving forward is too much denial and nonsensical theories. What the hell has oil got to do with it? As if Ghana wouldn't sell them oil unless they get praised, if the compliments had to do with just oil wouldn't it make more sense for them to pay Nigeria compliments and suck up to them? especially seeing that Nigeria has way more oil?

Sometimes you need to think and be true to yourself!

Nayah:
Lol really?? you don't even know me heheheh

By the way Nayah is that your picture?

Nayah:
Lol really?? you don't even know me heheheh

By the way Nayah is that your picture?

mekaboy:
[b] I AM HAPPY WITH THE GOOD NEWS FROM GHANA AND DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT WILL  BE WRONG FOR NIGERIANS TO START COMPARING GHANA TO NIGERIA.

IT IS EASIER FOR GHANA TO HANDLE THEIR ISSUES BECAUSE OF THEIR SIZE.

MY POINTS.

ELECTRICITY :- IF NIGERIA WAS THE SAME SIZE WITH GHANA, WITH THE ELECTRICITY WE GENERATE, I DON'T THINK OUR LIGHT WILL EVER BLINK , THE ELECTRICITY THAT THE WHOLE OF LAGOS CONSUMES IN A DAY, I DONT THINK THE WHOLE GHANA WILL CONSUME IT IN A MONTH.

SECURITY :- WHAT IS THE POPULATION OF GHANA? ABOUT 20MILLION PEOPLE, ASSUMING 10% OF THE POPULATION WERE  SECURITY AGENCIES THERE WILL BE 2MILLION SECURITY PERSONS. NIGERIA IS OVER 150MILLION PEOPLE, IF WE HAVE 10% IN SECURITY AGENCIES THAT WILL BE 15M , WHICH MEANS OUR SECURITY PERSONS ARE MORE THAN HALF GHANA POPULATION AS A COUNTRY.

WHEN THEY MEASURE GHANA'S PROGRESS, THEY ARE SIMPLY SAYING THAT "GHANA IS DOING WELL AT THEIR SIZE" .

WHEN NIGERIA IS MEASURED IT IS MEASURED AT ITS SIZE , AND MORE IS EXPECTED FROM NIGERIA BASED ON OUR POPULATION .

DESPITE THE INSECURITY LEVEL IN NIGERIA, ANY FOREIGN INVESTOR THAT WANTS TO MAKE PROFIT WILL CONSIDER NIGERIA FIRST WHY ?

SELLING A PRODUCT FOR 100 NAIRA TO 20MILLION PEOPLE AND SELLING FOR 50NAIRA TO 150MILLION PEOPLE, WHICH IS MORE PROFITABLE?

GHANA IS DOING WELL AT THEIR SIZE, CONSIDER THEIR POPULATION WHEN COMPARING .

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO JUMP TO SAY "GHANA HAS STEADY ELECTRICITY AND NIGERIA DOES NOT" HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE SIZE OF BOTH COUNTRIES ? EVEN WITH THE 20MILLION POPULATION OF GHANA , THEY STILL EXPERIENCE POWER FAILURE . HOW MUCH MORE NIGERIA?

IF PHCN DECIDES THAT ALL THE ELECTRICITY GENERATED IN THIS COUNTRY WILL BE CHANNELED TO ONE STATE IN NIGERIA , DO YOU THINK THE LIGHT WILL EVER GO OFF FOR A DAY?

SO LOOK AT IT FROM THIS VEIW.

IF GHANA IS 10% CORRUPT THEN NIGERIA WILL BE MORE THAN 10 TIMES CORRUPT.

IF THERE ARE 20MILL CARS IN GHANA, THEN THERE WILL BE 150MIL CARS IN NIGERIA.

IF 10PEOPLE ARE UN EMPLOYED IN GHANA, THERE WILL BE 100 UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE IN NIGERIA.

IF THERE ARE 10 ACCIDENTS IN GHANA A YEAR, THERE WILL BE 100 ACCIDENTS IN NIGERIA A YEAR.

IF THERE ARE 10 COMPANIES IN GHANA THERE WILL BE 100 COMPANIES IN NIGERIA.

SO AS YOU COMPARE THE GOOD COMPARE THE BAD.

NO NEED FOR COMPARING BOTH COUNTRIES, ITS BASELESS . GHANA IS DOING WELL IN THEIR SIZE, NIGERIA IS DOING WELL FOR ITS SIZE BUT COULD DO MORE IF NOT FOR CORRUPTION .[/b]

I completely disagree with population and size always being used as an excuse for failure. Yes population counts but progress can be assessed in a context that takes population into account.

America is a huge country and much richer than most countries but progress in countries like the UK and Germany can still be compared to America in spite of size.

Having to produce electricity for instance for the whole Nigeria is more of a daunting task than producing electricity for a relatively small Ghana, but the flip side is there is a lot more revenue for instance to be generated from producing electricity for 120 million people and therefore more to re invest in electricity.

If there are 150 million cars as opposed to 20 million cars like you say then it means there are a lot more roads to construct, but again the flip side is you have 130 million more cars to charge road tax for instance which should help ease the burden.

The last time I checked Nigeria was 7 or 8 time bigger than Ghana, Ghana produces and consumes 6.06 billion KWH of electricity, whiles Nigeria consumes 18.14 billion KWH only 3 times more. My interpretation is that if Ghana had the same resources as Nigeria they would produce 42 billion kwh, or if we were like Nigeria we would produce only 2.5 billion kwh, it’s as simple as that.  

In short there are bigger challenges associated with governing bigger nations but bigger challenges come with bigger opportunities.

Has anybody ever had the common sense to consider that maybe just maybe Ghanaians are not Jealous and that there is the slightest possibility that there is a criminal element within the Nigerian community in Ghana causing trouble?

Not to realise that you could have a problem is the worst thing that can happen to a people.

Gbawe:
Then they are simply two murdering ritualist . Ghana itself, and indeed many Nations,  has many of them and if Ghanaians , given that ritual killings committed by Ghanaians in Ghana are not exactly uncommon, want to think it is "evil" Nigerians guilty of "introducing" their "wicked" ways to "Snow white" Ghanaians , then good luck to them. I am sure you are aware of famous cases like that of Dr. Berkeley. I would also urge you to google "ritual murders/killings in Ghana". Educated individuals like you should not be found guilty of unfair demonization of others - especially for things historically linked to practices in Ghana.

http://www.modernghana.com/news/179468/1/essayghana-the-evil-of-the-bibiani-hunchback-ritua.html


http://news.myjoyonline.com/news/200808/19484.asp

http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/index.php?/archives/1524-Hunchbacks-murdered-for-magical-ingredients.html

If they are just two ritualists then maybe it doesn't matter whether they are trully Nigerian on not. I wouldn't say that ritual murders are common in Ghana by the way but yes it is present in a lot of African countries but to varying degrees. My suspicion is that it is far more common in Nigeria where Juju in general is far more prevalent than Ghana anyway.

I dont know where your facts are coming from but cannibalism and ritual murders is more linked to Nigeria historically than Ghana, people do say that some of these eminated from Nigeria but whether true or false this wont help dispel that notion.

Gbawe:
@OP.

Let us wait and see. I would urge Obanikoro (Nigerian Ambassador to Ghana) to proactively look into this. Mind you , I am not saying that Nigerians are not capable of this but Obanikoro should do his job in establishing conclusively that these are indeed Nigerians.

http://www.ghanamma.com/2011/09/02/2-busted%E2%80%A2-with-human-parts/



https://www.ghanamma.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/39cf4127man_woman.jpg.jpg
BUSTED! The suspects.

And if they are?

PROUD-IGBO:
STOP posting this crap!!! And so what if a couple of Nigerians (out of more than a million resident in Ghana, as the report alluded to) are found to be criminals. Let them face the full weight of Ghanaian law, and leave us in peace abeg.

As I said earlier it doesn't justify stereotyping Nigerians but like any human society where people generally jump to conclusions about other groups of people based on little or no information, this will not help.

Rgp92:
You silly African. Cannibalism is worldwide not just nigeria. I bet if it was a whiteman that did this, he would have got away with it.

Oh so apparently two wrongs do make a right.

There is no Justification for stereotyping a nation as diverse as Nigeria but these incidence surely don't help.

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=217658

blink182:
That country is sick with envy and it will lead them nowhere

And you my friend are sick with denial, which Ghanaian in thier right mind would envy Nigeria?

For now it's still on, so fingers crossed. I know some of you Nigerians are hoping it's off but you lie !!

Ghana wins hands down!!

ok so there were 20 fans behaving badly big deal. The high commisioner explained it perfectly in my opinion.

bboiabb:
mama-gee what are you saying/doing here? go back to the kitchen and cook food joh! isnt that all you are good for?  i hate nigerians who cant even support their own country. go f**king live in ghana, why dont you? (you know im joking right? but seriously. . .at least support your country. they need their fans to give them a boost of confidence when they play  )

(back to the topic. . .) nigeria should win this. odemwingie is back and training with the team again. if we use the players from the argentina game (which siasia said he would) , this should be a piece of cake hopefully

My friend allow the woman to feel free and express herself!! Odemwingie is back, so what!? Gyan, Muntari and Kevin Prince are also back. Ghana all the way and you better not blame Juju this time!!!!!!

9jafetish:
lol this is obviously only for joke i don'tthin they were serious.


but if it is real then yes ghanaians they are wicked o, don't buy the whole peaceful country in africa thing. i am a half ghanaian and i like my 9ja side better.

In your dreams, You wish you were half Ghanaian

Well!?

Best in terms of what?

safariman:
@bk.babe97y
When I said good points, I was actually acknowledging that you were right and made a good point. i.e. when deciding safety from looking at it form the statistics viewpoint, but I was saying based upon my observation and perception when I visit, therefore, I came to a different conclusion

That's the problem, you stay vague so you don't need to defend your position. What was that view point based on? where you a victim of crime or witness crime whiles in Ghana? did you have any dealings with the authorities or police? what was so wrong with the environment that made you think unequivocally that Ghana wasn't as safe? what was it?

PhysicsMHD:
Who says he's identifying with differing viewpoints by expressing his viewpoint as an American when he is, in fact, an American?




^^^
The above is based completely on the misinterpretation of "standards of security" to mean security operatives. Now I know I'm not talking with an Ghanian American, but rather a Ghanian since your mind immediately to went to soldier stuff at the mention of standards for personal security. It's amusing to see someone think any kind of reference was made in my earlier post to Americans having standards of security in the sense of having standards for security personnel, armed guards, armored convoys, etc. The average American outside of government or law enforcement knows nothing about what standards these security operatives/apparatuses  are supposed to have and rarely, if ever, sees such high security operatives so I would certainly not have asserted and did not assert that by merely being an American he could come and start pontificating to Jamaicans or Ghanians or other groups about what kind of armed guards, what kind of bomb squad, what kind of high security apparatus, etc. constitutes a quality security apparatus. That's another matter entirely.

It's a bit funny that someone immediately of thinks of guys running a security apparatus when standards of security are mentioned within the context of observations on safety. Let me make it plain and unequivocal since you completely misunderstood my earlier post: the average American has higher standards for what constitutes a secure or safe atmosphere or environment. It's that simple. I wouldn't even be found anywhere where petty crime was abundant and a police force was not vigilant or could not be relied upon to do something about that (still) unacceptable crime or make a significant effort against it, and neither would the vast majority of Americans. That's just one of several things that makes an American's standard for security higher than that of a Nigerian who's never been outside of Nigeria or lived long in the West.


He was not misquoted and I never said he was. Rather, his very literal use of words was misinterpreted and he immediately clarified what interpretation (the completely literal one) he meant for his words the minute someone (bkbabe) misinterpreted them.

The guy is Nigerian, has lived in Nigeria and currently lives in America. He therefore knows the African standard and also the American standard and can identify with both which differ. So what are you on about?

I haven’t said anything about soldier stuff, for your information the bodies that deal with security like CIA, Mi5 and Mossad are not soldiers. It’s actually less exposed people that refer to anything not police related as “soldier stuff”, and yes you are talking to a Ghanaian and a very proud one at that. I simply used the extreme example of Israel and terror just to help you understand my point but evidently it didn’t work.

Regardless of what the interpretation of security standard is, the point remains the same. Whatever the standard, be it quick police response, conducting more thorough investigations, providing a touchy feely western style police service or whatever else, these things are not as important as the presence of criminality when assessing the safety of a place. High crime rates come about as a result of deep rooted problems, the security standards just deal with the symptoms of these deep rooted problems. A country with deep rooted drug problems and a related gang culture will always be more prone to dangerous crime than a country without these problems.

If security standards where what made a place safe as opposed to the presence of criminality for whatever reason, then countries like the US with very high security standards would not be seen as less safe than a lot of poor countries with very low security standards. Just think about it.

You shouldn’t just argue for the sake of arguing, think laterally and be pragmatic. These security standards you’re banging on about have everything to do with how well resourced the police force is and even if these standards were the only thing that made a place safe which they aren’t, do you think Jamaica which is very much a third world country would have vastly different standards from Ghana? Common sense would suggest not really

It's bound to make a positive impact, whether the full potential of the discovery will be realised is a different story. Inspite of everything even Nigeria is probably better off with oil than without.

lol couldn't agree with you more bkbabes, the thing is you can be who ever you want to be on a forum, actually my real name is Barrack obama. lol

safariman:
^^^
Good point

Good point? I hope you actually looked at bkbabes links. So how ignorant do you feel now? Note how Ghana does not even appear in the top 62 countries of the murders per capita list

I hope you raelise how ridiculous you're looking right about now

PhysicsMHD:
"What the hell is that all about"? Calm down, son.

It's about distinguishing between being a Black American- somebody who's observing from an American perspective- and being a city or village Nigerian from somewhere who's never lived in the West and whose observations on safety don't have the standard for security that an American does, period. He made a mistake by not saying that he was a naturalized African American and commenting from that point of view, but he didn't take into account the need to be precise. Where he should have said something like as a "non-African American black American" (think how awkward, unwieldy, and strange that sounds and you'll see why you wouldn't say anything like that either) who's familiar to some degree with a few parts of both countries, I think such and such.

In fact I'm not even certain it's clear that he even made the mistake of conflating what he was trying to identify as (Nigerian American) with what you or bkbabe assumed he was (AA) because he said "as African American" which could be distinct in interpretation from saying "As an African American" and instead just mean an American who is African. It was probably his assumption that the phrase "African American" could be interpreted literally, in which case what it states- an American of direct (recent) African origin- is exactly what it means and describes him exactly, rather than interpreted by the Africans on this board the way it is used by Continental Africans to distinguish between themselves and real AA. This should not be too hard to understand. Some phrases are ambiguous and what they are describing can be misinterpreted if not used carefully or replaced with something less ambiguous.


As for Jamaica being safer than Ghana, I completely disagree, but I simply haven't seen the slightest bit of anti-Ghana statements from him or jealousy though I can see how someone could be embarrassed about Nigeria and then try to throw subtle jabs to downgrade Ghana without being able to brag about Nigeria in that particular area. I just don't see it in this case. It seems he really believes that certain parts of Ghana have a more dangerous atmosphere, but once again, I think he needs to see more of the non-tourist Jamaica for a significant period of time. People aren't making up the known statistics.

Ok nice try but now you are really starting to struggle. You are trying to defend the indefensible and I must commend you for even making an attempt.  Unfortunately safariman leaves you with nothing to work with.
Culture and environment might affect perception in different places but that’s irrelevant to this argument. He is what he is in spite of his supposed ability to identify with differing viewpoints.
Your argument is based on the false premise that the more security a place provides the safer the place.  The reality is that a lot of the time high security just serves as evidence that a place is not very safe.  You could go to a remote isolated village where the concept of security is nonexistent and feel completely safe because the worst you get there is petty crime. Take Israel on the contrary as an example, they probably have the most advanced security apparatus on the planet. Even buses have detectors, however Israel is simply not a safe place because of the constant threat of terrorism. So don’t confuse two separate issues. A place is not unsafe because of the absence of security it is the presence of criminality that makes it unsafe. The presence of Western standard security like you said has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
The other issues you raise regarding moving words around and what it could then mean is purely semantics and I think you were starting to struggle there. If the guy was misquoted he would have said so.

safariman:
@Bennyboy11
Somehow from reading your earlier posts, I missed the point where you referred to yourself as a Ghanaian, but my bone of contention all along with you was that you said I was not a Nigerian, and willing to bet your mortgage i.e "if I was a betting man" and I challenged you on that fact, but I didn't know all along you meant betting on[b] conclusively [/b] proving that Ghana was saver than Nigeria. How is that provable?

Anyway, I am done with this discussion

@ PhysicsMHD
Please let it rest. Thx. I am on this forum to lend my expertise, experience give help where and when I can and to learn

I don't know where you're going with my Ghanaianness and my posts or the betting issue, what else would we be betting on? It's all incomprehensible. Your only saving grace is the fact that you said you're here to learn when you can, well then learn this, on issues of this nature facts are everything and like your mate said statistics aren't made up so use them!

MzDarkSkin:
Fellas! Fellas! let's quit with the tribalistic/insulting comments. There is nothing wrong with comparing Africa to Jamaica so long as we come with facts. The facts are you can get robbed, killed or kidnapped in both places. Not all of ANY country is bad, even Somalia has its "good" parts. It is true, as Safari says, that the Jamaican gov.t strives extra hard to protect its reputation and visitors and it is also true that if an outsider does choose to venture into the inner cities they run a risk with their lives. Also, i am more than sure the same applies to Ghana and even Nigeria. So lets not get out of hand with the back and forth and accusations. Bennyboy, as I stated JAMAICA as a country is not a crime capital, Kingston is ONLY a city. No matter how much you try to emphasize on how "safe Ghana" is, I AM NOT ASKING YOU, Ghana has its dangerous areas too, hun. Jamaica is only associated with Kingston's flaws because Jamaica is amongst the top five most known nations in the world and people study our every move so much, that nothing goes unnoticed (be it good or bad) and we end up stereotyped. People know us but they don't [i]KNOW [/i]us, and you are one of those people.

[b]@BK [/b]that was an ignorant statement you made by contrasting Shemar Moore to Wesley Snipes. In case you are not aware in Africa AND Jamaica, there are ppl who favor them both. There are places in Jamaica where the majority of the people are multi-racial/creole or should I say light in complexion. Those people have children with darker skin toned Jamaicans whose children then come out with Shemar's complexion/features. Same for Africa. Both men could go to Jamaica and be mistaken for a native. I dont know what that was all about.


[b]OAM4J [/b]not trying to be funny, but there are 14 parishes in Jamaica. But aside from that, I am glad you and the other two gentlemen enjoyed Jamaica. I plan to travel to Africa myself. As for Jamaica, I am going back next year  , I am SOOOO excited! I will be in Ocho Rios and may visit Kingston for the parties LOL but Ocho is my spot .

Msdarkskin, I am sure you know your Geography but you still refer to Africa like it’s a country. You cannot compare Jamaica to Africa because Africa is a continent with several countries that differ in many ways.
I don’t claim to be an expert on Jamaica so yes you are right I might not know you, however I referred to Jamaica as one of the worlds high crime countries because it’s been consistently top 4 or 5 for God knows how long.
Lastly there is no country that has high crime in every corner. Even war torn countries have safe havens and unaffected parts. Brazil is one of the worst countries for crime because of places like Rio and Salvador, south Africa because of places like Cape town, I am sure some parts of America have lower crime rates than the likes of Norway and Singapore which are traditionally low crime countries, but places like south central and new orleans puts the US on the map. So I’m sorry you will have to accept that Kingston makes Jamaica a high crime country.