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Liverpool finally get their first draw of the season!
Its better than another loss at home but its obvious that Slot is on borrowed time!

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Kaymax2222:
who gives a shit about sweden, if those guys don't perform they should not be paid simple.

I can also give other instances by sighting other nations!
Its nothing new!
Match bonuses are paid whether you like it nor not!

I am even prolonging this matter self they should remove themselves from the national team pls let see better people who are ready to serve and play for the Country with passion. If they call them let them not answer

Thats your opinion which you are entitled to but next time argue with facts and not emotions!

Kaymax2222:
some of this issue has been with nff since and all this player knows it yet they enlisted they answer when get called upon, why now go ahead and play poorly like kindergartens

At the risk of sounding like a broken record,NFF are obligated just like every football association around the world to pay players match or appearance bonuses!
This is negotiated even before a ball is kicked in training and will still be paid no matter the outcome of the match!
What will not be paid is the extra bonus for winning!
For instance,there is an european nation that pays 5k euros for match bonuses and pays an extra 5-7k euros for winning the match!
All these information are online!
Go and read up on them and stop arguing blindly!

Kaymax2222:
you are the one who lack basic comprehension if you can't understand my point. Those allowance are negotiated and agreed upon, yes but do they deserve it with what they are playing.

Its not in your place to ask whether or not they deserve it because match bonuses are negotiated and the NFF are obligated to pay no matter the outcome of the result!
Sweden lost their last 4 games and were kicked out from the WCQ but the players were still paid match bonuses!
What will not be paid are the extra bonuses that come with either winning or qualifying for a tournament!
Hope you understand or do you need me to coin it in your local dialect for better comprehension?

I don't know much about there earnings and all but I know there is allowance there is training allowance, camp allowance and a whole lot more so if they are getting all that but not there negotiated allowance why should they get paid at all with what they are playing. The fact that they travel first class and lodge in an hotel and have a good meal is more than enough with what they are playing.

This flawed comment shows once again that you have zero idea about what you are arguing about!
There is nothing like training or camp allowance and if they existed,thats not what the players are demanding!
What is in contention is the match bonuses which is also called appearance bonus for showing up to play!
That is what the players are being owed since 2019!

Kaymax2222:
yes it warrants been asked if it is transport allowance or feedings allowance that is been owed because the money we are talking about here is big and in actual sense of it you can't get paid in full again if you've been paid half already. So what exactly are you saying. I maintain this guys have been paid half which they don't deserve and if I am in the position I will not pay them that owed half with there performance. We have guys who will play for Nigeria with dedication with half of what they are getting. I will only advocate for them if they are actually performing but with that quality of team in a country with over 230m people. I beg to differ

You are still not making any iota of sense and you are even doing so with confidence!
Lets even assume without conceding that they have been paid half based on your submissions,do you have any link to substantiate your argument?
Secondly,you claimed i demanded that they increased the match bonuses....can you show me where i said so?
Match bonuses are negotiated between the NFF and the players no matter the outcome of the match played,hence NFF are obligated to pay!
Finally,as much as i find this back and forth ridiculously funny,you are making absolutely no sense with all due respect!

Father lord!
This one face nah ancient of days

Kaymax2222:
there is no superior argument here I am maintaining what I have been saying all along that because they are not getting only allowances but they are getting other stuff is not deserved. They should be refunding us with there epileptic performance

Guy with all due respect,you are making absolutely no sense with your recent comments!
its like asking someone who is owed salaries for years if its feeding or transport allowance inside his salary that is being owed!
That's how unintelligent your flawed comment sounds!
It also proves you have no idea what you are even arguing about or you might possibly be prolonging the discus out of a bruised ego!

However,my argument remains simple and unambiguous...If commitment is demanded from the super eagles players, then the NFF should pay them the match bonuses they were owed since 2019!
Its that simple!

There is no where in my previous comments where i solicited or argued for an increase in the match bonuses of the players!
If there was any,do well to provide the comments where i said so!

Kaymax2222:
is allowances the only thing they are getting don't they get other bonuses??

Guy this is a hilarious but unnecessary question!
Know when you have been overwhelmed by a superior argument!

Kaymax2222:
allowance is just some of what they are been paid which means it's part of there payments not all there payments abi what are you saying and it is part of the fact that what they are getting is a lot which is why after all what they are getting they still have allowance that is yet to be paid

You are obviously mixing things up and further confusing yourself!
Being owed match bonuses is entirely different from seeking an extra in their allowance or match bonuses to what they are getting and i never said anything about them asking for more match bonuses!
its like a worker being owed salaries for more than 3 years.....he is only asking for the payment of the backlog and not an increase of his present salary!

Kaymax2222:
is allowance only what they are getting for play for the country. Stop been intentionally naive. Allowance is just part of it

You are obviously confusing yourself!
Being owed can never equate not being paid enough!
Do you even understand or read what you are saying?

Kaymax2222:
you said some of there allowance are being owed and I said the little they are getting they've not done enough to show they deserve to earn it

How does being owed equate to not being paid enough?

Kaymax2222:
they are getting paid your claim is they are not getting paid enough. Which I said with Nigerian presents reality they are getting the best amongst of us. Where I am working right now I am getting paid and if I believe I am not getting paid enough to do what I am suppose to do I will quit not start doing shabby job and still expect all my bonus and entitlement

where did i say they are not getting paid enough?

But NSA boss Nuhu Ribadu claimed 90% of ISWAP and bokoharam have been totally wiped out!
So who is regrouping?

Kaymax2222:
there is nothing demeaning about it, it's the law of nature. And they are not demanding there valuation in anyway. Your valuation can't be more than your environment or where you come from. Even if you have a valuation it's a function of your environment so base on that they are well valued and if they think they are not let them get out. Compare to our reality those guys are living large and not because they are good but because they got the opportunity and they are now misusing it

Different folks for different folks!
If you can do so without pay,thats your choice as its also a choice for wanting to be paid while carrying out your duties!
Two truths can coexist!
Just a parting query...are you currently working for free at your place of work?

Kalulu44:
Ehen this is where you engaged me like a civilised guy I think you are. First of all, I have been hearing of that England former players been paid pension or annual fee. I haven't substantiated it cus if true why is Paul Gascoigne one of their great players is wallowing in sef pity and poverty.

Is England the only country in europe?
Secondly, Paul isn't wallowing in poverty but entangled in alcoholism even before he retired from football!
Paul is not poor but spoilt!

Due you also know the current English players are made to donate their match bonuses to charities.

Once again that just one country out of many european countries that pay match bonuses to their national team players!

That shows the money is nothing to them, cus they earn well at their clubsides.

Thats for them but it should never be used as a yardstick for other european countries who pay!
besides,the england ladies collect theirs!
Italy,germany,spain,Turkey and other advanced european countries pay their national team players!

Have you noticed when England is playing, be it friendly, Qualifiers or competition proper they always make sure every players name is on the back of their shirt. So that when it's eventually one cap you have for England, you will always have pride in seeing your name in an England shirt.
That's why England and the likes are different from players. They played for pride and passion and not for the money cus their clubs pay them well and is enough.

They dont just play for just pride and passion!
It comes with huge benefits!
A national player of England both active or retired can access welfare and support which covers health and injury insurance,legal and contractual aid,pension access,financial assistance and career transition!
Patriotism works in both ways!
Now let me ask you...
How many of our retired national players that you know that have access to health or financial assistance from the football association?

So guy I know what I'm saying when I say, our players are not supposed to allow match bonus to distract them from making Naija proud.

Despite regurgitating England as your only yardstick or example,you fail to understand that patriotism comes with well thought out and rewarding packages which the England FA offer their national team players both active and retired!
I ask again....which retired national team player that you know receives health or financial welfare or benefits courtesy of NFF?

Reference:
And beyond that give them strategies out of an abundance of security think tanks.

If not all you will have are merely more checkpoints and the familiar reactive deployments of personnel after incidents.

There must be a way to isolate these brigands living within communities. There must be a way of tracking outlaws wandering in the wildernesses and ungoverned spaces in Nigeria. There must be a way of cutting off funding to these terrorists. There must be a way of identifying their supply chains. There must be a way of neutralizing the radical ideologies fueling the Jihadists.

All these things form a comprehensive base the war against insecurity will rest and only proper coordination with all the government institutions involved will solve this highly complex issue.

Thats if they even have a capable security think tank!
Nah propaganda think tank them get!

Kalulu44:
Definitely you didn't read mine, bcus if you do you won't be spitting the rubbish you're spitting. Pay me I will resay it so it will be clear to you

Guy stop foaming and get me your facts to substantiate your submissions!
You claim that i lied about european players receiving 10000-15000 euros but you cannot counter it with facts except writing love letters to the epistles!

Kalulu44:
Hahahaha, let me leave you with your mumuness

When you ask this one to bring facts,they bring sentiments in form of insults!
No wonder you were busy writing epistles! smh!

Kaymax2222:
our reality is different they are in America we are here. And you saying what I said is slavery is funny cos it's our reality.

So are you implying that the one who keeps working despite being owed or paid less than their valuation is more patriotic than the ones who demands that they be paid whats their entitlement?
Guy thats slavery!
Patriotism is not blind submission to exploitation!
Refusing to be exploited or shortchanged is not disloyalty!
That may be your reality but thats not patriotism!

Those guys don't even deserve what they are getting with the way they are playing let them get out I maintain. If I am in a position to make decisions about there issues I will owe them too they don't deserve it we are a country of over 230m people with a gdp of a country of few thousands population in Europe.

You are doing more harm than good!
Thats the mentality of those at our football association and yet we want our players to get into tackles or commit themselves!
When an european player plays for his national team he knows that his country will never abandon him when he is medically or physically challenged while playing for the national team!

You should know competition for good things in Nigeria can never be the same in those countries with few thousand population. If them been opportune to scale from the bottom of the food chain to close to the top of the food chain, and that's all they can offer abeg let them get ouuuut!!!

Lets stop this demeaning mentality!
Thats why we are where we are!

All these capping are blanket statements!
We have heard enough of these statements during the time of buhari!
If you want to see results,give them timelines!
Well what do you expect from a president who needed another president to threaten him before he recognized his primary duties as president!

Same person said this about Obi but after they 'watered his garden',he has changed mouth like reno omokiri!
May we not sell our birthright for temporary comfort!

Kaymax2222:
see eh we understand all this but those players should never claim they are underappreciated, because in Nigeria they are still the one getting the best of everything even with the way they are been owed. If they can't do it with the little they believe they are getting (which is not little) let them get out and let others come in jare

Nobody should ever be owed their entitlement or what they have worked for even if they are still trying to do what is expected of them!
That's not patriotism but slavery!

A soldier in America earns between $2000-3000() with medical insurance and other financial packages for comfort while an average nigerian soldier earns 100k naira!
Who do you think will be patriotic?

Cmanforall:
So they are committed based on money?

Not supporting them being owed, but if their performance is because of the money, then they should all be sacked
Nigeria needs patriotic players and NFF should also pay them . If the allowances are too much to be paid, then let them use the civil service structure to pay them. If you don’t like it, do not come when invited.

Please name me any advanced country that owes it sports players match bonuses for more than 5 years?
Despite the poor performances from countries like sweden at their WCQs,they still got paid their match bonuses!
Match bonuses are not a privilege but a right demanded and negotiated by all players before they play their matches for their national teams!
Its not just nigeria but other advanced and developed football playing countries!
Other better run football associations will ensure players have been promptly paid their match bonuses on time before any match!
You can stop inviting players that are not performing but you cannot deprive players of match bonuses they had initially negotiated with the Nigerian football authorities!
Patriotism should be matched with action from both sides!

Kalulu44:
It's you and him who are really ignorant.

On the contrary,you are actually the one drowning in your own pool of deepsitted ignorance like the other guy!
Unfortunately yours is worse!

Kalulu44:
Answer my own replies above

I already did and it only validates my points!
Buttress your points with facts and not emotions or tales by moonlight stories that no one can substantiate!

Kalulu44:
Done for the national team or what the national has done for him. If not for the national team will most of the players be in their respective clubs today?
Who would have known Osimhen if not for the under 17 national team.
We have over 1 million footballers looking for this same opportunity this ones have, and are ready to play for free provided they get international exposure.
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See I have a classmate we finish our sss3 in 2002 in warri Delta State. He was among Samson Siasia squad to Holland 2005 under 20 world cup which Nigeria lost to Argentina. Gift Atulewa, that was his name to me when we last met after the competition, that he didn't merit been among the squad to that competition. Not he doesn't know how to play or he's not good. But bcus 1. Him and Siasia are from same place in Bayelsa. And 2. He has to agree with Siasia to share his match bonus 50/50 and tournament bonus in case they win it. And agreed, bcus according to him the money wasn't really on his mind, but to travel outside the country and get international exposure. Which he eventually got, even though he didn't sign for a big club but some unknown quantity club in Europe.
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As I am talking to you now, Gift is forever grateful to Siasia and Nigeria for him giving him that opportunity. As at today he has retired and not a poor man. And also a former Nigeria player.
So what am I hitting at here, this players are supposed to be grateful for Nigeria picking them and taking them to international tournament.
They fly some of them best aircrafts, lodge in some of the best hotels. And you will come here and by crying they're treating them bad.

It's a two way street!
England made the likes of Harry Kane,Rice and other big players in their national team to become what they are today!
Made the likes of David Beckham,Steven Gerrard and other great players and yet after their playing days were over,their FA through PFA assists them with financial and medical support esp the ones that have advanced in their age!
Italy,Spain,Germany and a host of other European countries do the same!
So why should Nigeria be different?

Kalulu44:
You lied there with that 10,000 and 20,000 euros you wrote there. Do you know England players mostly accept to give their match bonuses which is not up to what you quoted there to charities. Do you also know as at ten years or so ago when Nigeria was paying players $5k per match bonus, it was amng the top 5 highest worldwide. Google is there for you to check.
Nigeria NFF before 2019 were paying $10k dollars as match bonuses even they do sometimes owe the players. But when the players started underperforming, they switch it to firstly, we will pay you when you qualify from group stage of any tournament. And they continue as the tournament progresses.
But do they always perform in those tournaments, your guess is as good as mine.
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In qualification this same players agreed with the NFF that they will only be paid match bonuses if they qualify for any tournament they're fighting for.
Aside that, do you know as at ten or fifteen years ago. Super Eagles players collects $200 as everyday camp allowance that doesn't fail. As at today they collect $500 daily camp allowance which is not part of their bonuses. They fly in the best aircrafts, lodge them in the best hotels, and they get to travel to different countries. This are things millions of very good footballers in Nigeria are praying to get an opportunity just for once and even for free.
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But all these present crops thinks they're doing us a favor by playing for Nigeria. I hate it when a retired player said after all I have done for Nigeria. What rubbish did you do for Nigeria by playing or representing us. You almost collect 80 or if not 100% of your match bonuses and camp allowance, bcus of Nigeria you travel to many countries with sophisticated aircrafts and lodge in the best hotels without your ten Kobo in the expenses.
And yet you think you are doing Nigeria a favor. Tah make una go sleep and rest. Both the former players saying and thinking like this and the fans supporting them needs to have their heads rechecked.

When you said I lied,back it with facts not sentiment!
So why single out England that pays less?what about French players that collects within that range?
Italian, Spanish and German players collect within that range!
So what are you yapping about?


Well atleast you reluctantly and indirectly agreed that match bonuses are paid to European players...not just Nigerian players!

Have the players been paid? Yes or no?
Let's assume that they have been underperforming,does that imply that their match bonuses will reduce or be owed!
Despite the performance of Sweden in their qualifiers did the players get less than their match bonuses? Stop justifying the wickedness of NFF!
Italian players got paid their match bonuses despite their humiliating loss to the Norwegians at home!
Match bonuses are not privileges but a right!

And don't even make the excuse that nff is broke because fifa sends NFF more than a million dollars yearly!

When you say super eagles lodge in the best hotels and fly in good aircrafts,you make it look as if it's a privilege and not a right!
Go and see aircrafts and the hotels the English football association lodges their national team players!
Even Ireland lodge their players in the best of hotels...so why should super eagles deserve less?

Yes!
Every retired national player deserves to be taken care of because of what they have done for the national team no matter the sports!
Retired European players get financial, medical and welfare support despite making their millions during their playing days for clubs!
Go and verify!
Here in Nigeria,some of our national team players depend on handouts or political sycophancy for survival!

WhiteIverson:
He is actually right
Soldiers risk their lives we know but there's nowhere in the world where soldiers are being paid as much as top athletes.
Asides movies, music, content creating, I don't see any other legitimate venture that pays as much as sports.

Footballers generate revenue for their countries and clubs, so it is normal for them to be paid well and taken care of.

Please allow him to drown in his pool of ignorance!

Wotowotoman:
Guy, you are clearly not educated. And na your type go say education na scam. See how weak your reasoning skills are. Comparing Nigeria to Europe. And comparing what soldiers go through to football.

Ogbeni, go argue with your type abeg. Can’t waste my brain cells arguing with person wey dey reason like ball pikin.

Oga stop throwing insults like an agbero!
Match my arguments with facts not sentiments!
Super eagles deserve better from the nigerian authorities in other to show more committment to the national team!
You went off tangent by including soldiers and teachers as if we are making comparison with them!
Stay on the primary discus and stop prevaricating as if you are trying hard to make a case for soldiers and teachers!
Next time learn how to argue because you may claim to be educated but you obviously lack proper reasoning!
Don't even bother to waste those near empty cells as nothing is inside any of them!

Wotowotoman:
Oga stop talking like a child. These guys are footballers, not soldiers. They are just kicking a ball around and making millions. If you really believe that these footballers deserve to be taken care of by Nigeria when soldiers and teachers are managing to feed after retirement, then you deserve to be seriously flogged.

Oga adult, european national teams pay their players between 10000-20000 euros as match bonuses despite earning or making millions in their respective clubs!
In nigeria,the super eagles have been owed since 2019 and have not been paid!
Stop this endless and mindless prevarication using Teachers and Soldiers as if they are being taken care of by your leaders!
Just because teachers and sol;diers are not being taken care of is not an excuse not to take care of the super eagles!
Every individual working for a critical sector in nigeria deserves care and support just like the players in the national team!