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Trinitarians developed cold feet when you demand verses where Satan was directly mentioned 'as an angel in Bible, infact they wished it away or tell you that they are not interested,
The reason for the snub is simple; The logic behind juxtapose that arrive at satan allegedly to be an angel is (=) equal and same with that which arrive at 'jesus to be an Angel'

Nowhere, no bible verse ever was Satan mentioned 'as an angel in Bible' anyone with proof should put it here, pls dont juxtapose here, paste it directly.
Example of Trinitarians Evading this question are below

(1) https://www.nairaland.com/2669959/controversy-biblical-linking-arch-angel-michael

eVarn; Where did the bible say satan is himself an angel?,give me the scriptural reference: its theological deduction.

vooks:
You are digressing needlessly.

(2)https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/2

johnw74:
I don't agree with you, and I'm not really too interisted in whether satan was an angel or not,
I know that he was.
but I do conceed that you know satan better than I.

we need a serious person with proofs here!

pls note; i am not a jehovahs witnesses

Example of Sahara Reporters modus operandi
(During jonathan's regime) is simple:


These reporters would sit in front of their laptops, fabricate a story filled with half-truths and more lies and send to air, knowing that they have lots of gullible followers in hundreds of thousands, that would believe it.

They also know that the Media Team of Mr. President would respond to it.When the Media Team counters their false story, Sahara Reporters would also report it, even as they know that some people would begin to believe the one from the presidency.

Now, as they are reporting the counter-story from the presidency, their "spin-doctors" would be busy fabricating another story that would punch holes on the one from the presidency.

omolami:
I am yet to notice the FG zero tolerance for corruption with Amaechi and Fashola as ministers. The corruption allegation against the duo is more than that of Umar Danladi and Lamurde, put together, yet one body odour did not allow their investigation but compensated them with ministerial appointment. Tell me where is the zero tolerance?

There is None! what we saw at the screening was a charade, infact Amaechi said it is difficult to define corruption, yet he wants to find what he cant define, what a failure

@Mutleylaff

i took some time off the thread to focus on other works
but to sum everything up, we had this common ground before,

BERNIMOORE: Jesus The Almighty God same as his father?

Mutleylaff: This cant be adequately and satisfactorily addressed, until, what the word ''God'' means and/or what the word, ''God'', is all about, is expressed or put into words according to your understanding.

until you started using what i perceived as 'insultive language' i might be wrong in your opinion, thats why i replied you the way i did last time

and like i said, i am not a jehovah witnesses so im not here to change anybody but to compare sttrong proof inside the bible or holy scriptures only, and not outside

Anyway to be serious now, i apologise! because you are honest in expresing your view i must admit that, if we can still proceed maybe later or future, we need to respect each ones view

thanks and again Accept my appology!

psucc:
you discovered that INEC almost always announced results from Sahara reporters.

jega himself had already said that it is permitted to announce result at each poling post NOT BY inec but by party reps, and as such SR reporters are free to report, but here, 'pre empt' issue came in when SR declred;
''to deliver a ruling that would have freed Nigeria’s Senate President''

psucc:
They don't preempt rather they give lead judgement.If one was following the presidential election, you discovered that INEC almost always announced results from Sahara reporters.

it is obvious that you did not read the link on SR site itself, it was pre emptive and very specific and it violates the rule of law;
http://saharareporters.com/2015/10/19/sahara-reporters-expos%C3%A9-forces-court-appeal-adjourn-saraki%E2%80%99s-ruling-indefinitely

''The Court of Appeal in Abuja did not sit today, as was expected, to deliver a ruling that would have freed Nigeria’s Senate President'',

Last night, SaharaReporters exposed a deal which had been brokered by Alfa Belgore, a former judge of the Supreme Court, in which a three-member panel of the Court of Appeal would have thrown a spanner in the legal works by ruling that the Code of Conduct Tribunal lacks jurisdiction to try the Senate President.

When there is no bad news to report about Nigeria, they invent and fabricate one to show to their APC paymasters that they are really working and deserve to be paid. This malicious antic always gladdens the hearts of APC Bigwigs especially, Lai Mohammed - the 'Liar-in-Chief' of APC - the modern day Nazi propagandist, Josef Goebbels.To Omoyele Sowore - the founder and publisher of Sahara Reporters - he is earning a 'decent' living by using his online news platform to mislead and hoodwink gullible and highly brainwashed Nigerians (unfortunately in their millions) through highly biased, junk, sensational and sectional journalism. Yes, even the Holy Bible made us to understand that a "worker deserves his wages."

Nov 14, 2014, 11:01 AM
EXPOSED! APC Rewards Publisher of Sahara Reporters With A Mansion Worth $5 Million (http://newsdayreporters.com/what-s-hot/547-exposed-apc-rewards-publisher-of-sahara-reporters-with-a-mansion-worth-5-million-in-atherton-california-newsday-reporters.html)This mansion, according to an Insider has everything a modern home should have like Swimming Pool; Grand Hall, with 15-foot ceilings and marble floors, ideal for dancing; French doors opening to the veranda; Dining Room with a rouge royale marble fireplace; stained glass windows and a crystal 12-branch chandelier; Red-carpeted double mahogany stairway, complemented by a foliate motif stained glass window on the landing; Wrap-around veranda available for seasonal use and Ample covered or outdoor parking.This mansion is one of the many promises made to Sowore by APC as the race to 2015 elections heats up. Like the two-edge sword, the same Holy Bible that says a "worker deserves his wages" also made us to understand that the "wages of sin is death". If Sowore - who claims to be exposing and fighting corrupt Nigerians using his online media outfit is still the same person accepting numerous bribes to do a hatchet job for the corrupt politicians is like kettle calling pot black.

http://newsdayreporters.com/what-s-hot/547-exposed-apc-rewards-publisher-of-sahara-reporters-with-a-mansion-worth-5-million-in-atherton-california-newsday-reporters.html (http://newsdayreporters.com/what-s-hot/547-exposed-apc-rewards-publisher-of-sahara-reporters-with-a-mansion-worth-5-million-in-atherton-california-newsday-reporters.html)

http://newsdayreporters.com/images/226711_247353232093277_166610107_n.jpg
mallam sowore

London (NDR) - It is no longer news that Sahara Reporters has thrown the ethics of journalism and professionalism in the trash-bin for "Brown Envelopes" with no iota of shame in their sectional, junk and highly biased reportage.To the gullible Nigerians, this news site is exposing corrupt Nigerian government officials. But every informed Nigerian knows that, this is not entirely true because this online media outfit is now under the payroll of All Progressive Congress (APC) - the main opposition party in Nigeria. This news site like APC, celebrates and rejoices every bad news about Nigeria, Nigerians and the government, but finds it extremely difficult to even point out little achievement made by the government, at least to present balanced and unbiased reportage.
When there is no bad news to report about Nigeria, they invent and fabricate one to show to their APC paymasters that they are really working and deserve to be paid. This malicious antic always gladdens the hearts of APC Bigwigs especially, Lai Mohammed - the 'Liar-in-Chief' of APC - the modern day Nazi propagandist, Josef Goebbels.To Omoyele Sowore - the founder and publisher of Sahara Reporters - he is earning a 'decent' living by using his online news platform to mislead and hoodwink gullible and highly brainwashed Nigerians (unfortunately in their millions) through highly biased, junk, sensational and sectional journalism. Yes, even the Holy Bible made us to understand that a "worker deserves his wages."
True to that, Sowore, according to our source has been rewarded by APC with a mansion worth $5 million located in Atherton, California, United States for having tried to "deodorize" Maj. Gen. Muhammadu Buhari with a mock online election which presented him as the most popular presidential candidate for the 2015 election. This, Buhari's supporters are going to bank on to cause mayhem as they did after the 2011 election if he loses as expected (after-all he has lost 3 presidential elections consecutively).

more here!!! (http://newsdayreporters.com/what-s-hot/547-exposed-apc-rewards-publisher-of-sahara-reporters-with-a-mansion-worth-5-million-in-atherton-california-newsday-reporters.html)

..continue reading....

To those that don't know, Sahara Reporters also known as Sharia Reporters is a junk online news site that promotes Boko Haram.
It thrives on negativity, hearsay, propaganda, falsehood, sectionalism, sensationalism and survives on political, emotional and psychological blackmail.

Their modus operandi is simple: these reporters would sit in front of their laptops, fabricate a story filled with half-truths and more lies and send to air, knowing that they have lots of gullible followers in hundreds of thousands, that would believe it. They also know that the Media Team of Mr. President would respond to it.When the Media Team counters their false story, Sahara Reporters would also report it, even as they know that some people would begin to believe the one from the presidency. Now, as they are reporting the counter-story from the presidency, their "spin-doctors" would be busy fabricating another story that would punch holes on the one from the presidency.

For example:1. Gen. Gusau resigns - Sahara Reporters (fake story)
2. Army HQ denies Gusau's resignation - Sahara Reporters (counter-story from the presidency).
3. Pres. Jonathan begs Gusau to rescind his resignation (another fake story to punch holes on the counter-story from the presidency)Now, this is the secret -

Sahara Reporters reported the three stories (both the one that is against their fake story), which to any gullible mind proves that they are credible due to the fact that, they didn't shy away from the counter-story by the presidency.Another thing is that, any of the stories you report (if you like quote Dr. Reuben Abati - Presidential Spokesman), you are reporting for Sahara, because they reported the 3 stories. And when you do this, you are making them more popular and credible since they have not been made to RETRACT the fake story! Fellow Nigerians, know thy enemies!

END of Part I

We are mindful of the fact that the Federal Government has zero tolerance policy for corruption, and this is the reason for the establishment of the CCT as one of the agencies to fight corruption in all its ramifications

3/ OMOYELE SOWORE Lied About His Biography
http://nigeriaworld.com/feature/publication/oyedoyin/2003/021703p.html

Festus Keyamo Exposes Omoyele Sowore Founder Of Sahara R. Falsified Medical Doc

2/ Festus Keyamo Exposes Omoyele Sowore Founder Of Sahara R. Falsified Medical Doc
https://www.nairaland.com/2688635/festus-keyamo-exposes-omoyele-sowore

Few Scandals involving Sowoore SR founder
1/ EXPOSED! APC Rewards Publisher of Sahara Reporters With A Mansion Worth $5 Million

denker http://nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-85941.html

Sahara Reporters Guilty of several Acts of ''Contempt Of Court'' and 'pre Emptive' comments That violates the rule of law in its entirety


It seems that Sahara Reporters Sowoore has at last won an illegal job of a 'snipper' given the mandate to dare with malicious sophistication in his possession whoever is pronounced 'An Enemy' to the APC fraternity and fundamentalists
Sahara Reporters endorsing a dare devil approach in its malicious report must have been backed by the confraternity of the self Acclaimed owner of Apc who were formerly ACN, if not how can a report like this below in the link 'talking about judgement not yet delivered' by SR Violating the rule of law was ignored?

http://saharareporters.com/2015/10/19/sahara-reporters-expos%C3%A9-forces-court-appeal-adjourn-saraki%E2%80%99s-ruling-indefinitely

if this continues, that is illegally bullying our judiciary to submission to be 'one sided' in their delivery of judgement, i want to assure SR that there are people watching its own activities closely and will be ridiculed at the right time.

the two members of the CCT and the entire staff are embarrassed and saddened by this allegation because a tribunal set up to check corruption should not be accused of being corrupt. This would not be in keeping with the transformation agenda of the administration.

*Attorney General approves prosecution of Umar

*EFCC retrieves N1.8 m to be used as exhibit against Danladi Umar

1; Lamorde Fired over an alleged diversion of recovered stolen funds, amounting to N1trn.


http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/efcc-why-buhari-fired-lamorde/118717.html
The former EFCC boss is being probed over an alleged diversion of recovered stolen funds, amounting to N1trn.

2; Attorney General approves prosecution of Umar, removal from office

https://www.nairaland.com/2737472/n10million-bribery-scam-presidency-dilema

*EFCC retrieves N1.8 m to be used as exhibit
*Attorney General approves prosecution of Umar, removal from office

Buhari 's Anti curruption crusade will soon turn to 'comedy and entertainment' programme as the actors and characters all have a skeleton in their cupboard and Hunters are prone to be hunted, thereby forcing hunters to adopt 'pat my back then i will pat your back' expose me and i expose you

Nigerians, pls enjoy enjoy the show

embattled Chairman of the Code of Conduct Tribunal, Justice Danladi Umar, who has been embroiled in a N10 million bribery scandal, forcing the two other members of the tribunal to refuse sitting with him.

@Muttleylaff, please more and more of your response will be duly replied Asap, thanks

MuttleyLaff:
Please try to be serious, sincere and honest.

Dont do eisegesis with Hebrew 1:3 and 1 Corinthians 11:7

Is the import in Hebrew 1:3, the same as that, in 1 Corinthians 11:7? No!

Jesus is implied to be the [b]exact nature of God in[/b] Hebrew 1:3
does 1 Corinthians 11:7 imply that humans too share the exact nature of God? No!

Are humans the exact representation of God? The very character of God? The exact imprint of His nature?
The express image of His Person? The exact expression of His nature? No, no, no, no and No, plus bonus extra of, give it a rest!

what is the Nature /form of God? spirit? supernatural or flaming fire, Angels too share that, you are hard pressed to provide answer that special nature that angels dont share with God!
you cannot say what you dont know, so relax

MuttleyLaff:
No, not so fast Waston
It means, there is one God. There is one Lord. The Lord is one
You might have one family, however, there always is one BENIMOORE. Capisce! Comprende?

again you are forcing another concept on a plain and direct bible verse

''that they all may be one, as You, [b]Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they (believers) also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me''[/b].

is this difficult to comprehend? o ma seo!

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=39356354]Yes, really.

It's either that or you havent bothered following and reading all posts on ''your thread''
''Your thread'' as you like to call it

i actually followed, but thought i was nt concerned since it was not directed at my post!

People learn from first-hand mistakes or from mistakes others have done

the only mistake i knew you did was that you actually went through the back to source for imformation that thwarted bibles concept recorded in isaiah about lucifer

You think I didnt know, you did not mention Ezekiel?
Somemone else, previously had, at which that notion was responded to and the bad idea corrected
(i.e. it was Tjayjosh, but you too were quoted in my response to him)
So, my dear bro, it actually was a mature way of stopping you in your track and preventing you from going down the proverbial rabbit hole

Again i dont think i need that Advice, sorry pelle ehn!

Everything in this remark (i.e. especially lucifer & cherub) is totally wrong and misappropiated
If you have big lenses put them on now and catch up with what you missed below here:
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/3#39113830

the concortion you spew up there when i read it was too childish, in a bid to show your inteligence you went off the rail totally! ah o ga o!

The truth(s) got you nervous and fidgeting ?
ROTBL, bro doesnt know that "Lucifer" (i.e. morning star) in Isaiah 14:12 isnt the Devil angel

again you need to flush out some virus off your system, its not helping at all! you just create your own story which nobody is interested

MuttleyLaff:
Please, please, please, get a grip of yourself.
Please respect yourself by posting with decorum and stop twisting what I wrote

Respect? i , maybe your defination of respect in this case cannot stop me.

Listen, if you abide by these few guidelines,
you're on the road of gradually taking off the straitjacket

oh, you even turned to be an instructor? good for you!

and it won't be long before you really begin to understand mysteries of the Bible

ehn hen? aah! i cant wait ooo!
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remember the Holy Ghost 3-piece-suit & shoes picture I earlier shared on this thread

It doesnt hold a drop of water because 'the concept is a self made concortion put together like ewedu and gbegiri plus Amala combination just meant to divert attention away from topic, while the concept itself is not found in and alien to the bible o ma seoo

#1) As a first port of call, always remember that God came to earth as a Jew

which God? , the father or son? be specific and stop thinking that you can force an unverified concept on my thread and have a loud ovation, Nibo lo tin njabo ti oo de ni okun lorun,

#2) and as such all Jesus' preachings and teachings were done in Aramaic

E ku inawo Aramaic, aah, epelee! who ask you that information

#3) that Jesus' preachings, teachings, story telling, parables etcetera were done from Jewish perspective

ehn hen, diversionary niyen i dont need that info, but pele funra re.

#4) these preachings, teachings, story telling, parables etcetera also often are based on Jewish idioms, customs, practices etcetera

so scriptures are not inpired again or God Breath again 2tim 3:16,but are based on Jewish idioms, customs, practices etcetera,Abi, maa soo lo jare

#5) which is why it is vital to be familiar with them, recognise this and have in the back of the mind when reading, trying to understand or interpret the Bible

eee! okaare omo yi!

#6) Though more, the former will for now do

Ah more now, are you tired? o ti su e

Yes, and that is what the jurisdiction means or is all about.
Knowing the ''particular day and hour'' is not within God the Son's mandate
Who sent who?
Will the Messenger know more than the Sender? Of course not

you lost this one! as you are trapped to supply further scriptural evidence to butress your point, you have often relied on your own straw analogy all this while!

I have to care because you've just proven over and over again, especially with your recent posts, that, you truly are punching above your weight

Wow, ok let yourself loose on me, i mean show yourself, show me your swaga and let me see your superior weight, not this directionless posts that you are just spewing here!

It does. You dont know how to draw the line between John 14:2 and Mark 13:32 to see the bearing and connection, that's all

lets see how you will draw the line by using what is contained in the sacred scriptures

I might, if you promise you wouldnt dribble or drool over my hand

"mansions", this is a very interesting one.
It actually has to do with a Jewish custom prevalent in just before, around and maybe a bit after Jesus' time,
I am not sure if the practice is still done in Israel or still now continued with present Jews
The groom is expected to prepare or build an extension in his father's estate,
the extension (i.e. mansion) serves to accomodate the intended bride.

The wedding does not take place until when the groom's father is satisfied with the progress
and work done by the groom in preparing the extension or building the "mansion"

It is not for the son to know the date fixed for the wedding. The father decides
That is the correlation between John 14:2 and Mark 13:32
and there you have it, you've just now have learnt something new

you are a disapointment even to jesus himself! where is this concortion/story you spew written in the whole holy scriptures?Nowhere! you see your life? you are merely following humans traditions like the pharisees whom jesus reprimand with warnings that the kingdom of God will be taken away from them!

You dont understand or dont know what ''≤'' means? Is that it?

Again is that word (''≤'') 'less or equal to' a biblical or sacred scriptural word or an imposed concept?

You will however need to apologise for deliberating misquoting me though.

oh i apologise, are you okay with that!

Whats your game? What are you up to with this twisting-what-I-originally-responded-to cheating?
Reproduce where and what I did a ''a resounding yes!'' to
Tell the truth and let the devil be a liar
You ought and should be surprised because you've just said a porkie

Are you denying that you said that even in Humans form that jesus 100 per cer omnicient God, it seems that you are hard pressed to prove it you now resort to trying to withdraw your statements.

You asked: ''So when Jesus Died for Good three days, even at Death in those three days he is still God! Yes or No!''
to which, I replied ''Make that a resounding Yes!''
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/4#39121195

did jesus died as a spirit or as a human? you are hard pressed now to tell us the limitations in phil 2:7 you remembered that you have already commited your statements.

This has already been addressed and answered to, above in Question B*(2a)
Sons dont decide the day of wedding, the Father does. It is the Father's prerogative

you failed Badly, and i have to say that your analogy is unscriptural and unacceptable without justifiable basis, sorry about !

Post (C*2)

MuttleyLaff:
I proffer Jeremiah 32:27 and
''Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?''
- Jeremiah 32:27

Again you fail to tell us the very Nature/form of God, you actually ran-out of the idea

yes we knew that God of all flesh, Nothing is too difficult for Him?
is this an answer to my question that you should tell us the Form/Nature of God? and very funny you will say that you have supllied an answer which does NOT tell us the Nature of God! are you saying God is anything? na wa o!

Hebrew 1:3,

His Son is the reflection of God's glory

yes!
lets see That Nature of God called Gods glory; same with that of Angels=flaming Fire

Exodus 24:17
And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.

psalm104:4
Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

and the exact likeness of God's being. .. Hebrew 1:3

Even humans too share the 'image and Glory' of God

1 Corinthians 11:7
A man ought not to cover his head, since he(man) is the image and glory of God
SMH at these immediate above.

post (C*1a)

MuttleyLaff:
SMH.
Good to know you believe that the LORD is one

Of course the way believers/desciples are one part of the oneness, just exacly the way jesus rendered the phrase ''Father, are in Me, and I in You they also may be one in Us

John 17:21 (NKJV)
''that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they (believers) also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me''

post (C*1)

MuttleyLaff:
You're so incorrigible, keep telling you that Isaiah 14: 14 and the other Ezekiel verses are about an earthly king and not about any celestial being.

Really!

i think this is a childish way of evading question, i did not mention ezekiel
and i am making a case for lucifer who was a cherub who also 'does not see equality with God as a robbery;
read again if you have big lenses put them on now
Again
isaiah 14:12-14 Actually was talking About Lucifer ''fallen from heaven'' not from Earth
12
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13
For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.

Let's hear you, who else apart from satan has been translated to be Lucifer?
Do you know? Yes or No.

dont divert our topic to evade the point established here that 'Lucifer from heaven, did not see it as a roberry to be equal with God!
you can create another thread for that topic(who else apart from satan has been translated to be Lucifer), so dont derail my thread with this as the point is already made

post (B*2)

MuttleyLaff:
It is a jurisdictional issue!

I have told you in many & different ways less one
but you want someone to put the dots between two points, so you can draw the straight line.
SMH. Sir, you're bright enough, not to be spoon fed.
Without me having to put in the dots for you to trace through, just draw the frigging straight line sir!

It seems that you knew what jesus himself honestly deny having a knowledge about!(that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son)
or
you Mutleylaff wrongly calling jesus a Liar that he actually knew 'the day and hour' But was held back with respect to jurisdictional respect, and its unfair, very unfair to call jesus a liar.
Again we read the verse and its clearly about (1)Not possesing a knowledge about a 'particular day and hour at all' (2) when the knowledge about a 'particular day and hour' was'nt there at all, we cannot be talking of jesus exercising respect in jurisdiction over NOTHING that he posses knowledge about.. let me worry jare dont care about my wory but to answer the question

Mark 13:32
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

MuttleyLaff:
There you go, John 14:2 [b]up there, is another verse that ought to bring this into perspective
- John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions:
if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you

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John 14:2 'jesus admit having knowledge of something' but it has no bearing or connected in anywaywhatsoever with Mark 13:32 where he outrightly deny knowledge and even ignorant like humans and angels on the issue of day and hour.
May be you should feed me with spoon now or draw a straight line for me now ?

Let me help you with a case where jesus exercised 'respect for jurisdiction to God his father' because he did not deny not having knowledge of a situation but caution and restrict himself to respect Gods Authority in apportioning a position

Matthew 20:23 (NKJV)

23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.”


Question B*(2a): Can you come out to connect how these two verses(John 14:2,Mark 13:32) relate to the issue of not possesing knowledge of Day and hour?

MuttleyLaff:
apart from the giving up priviledges evidence in[/b] Philippians 2:6, God the Son doesnt know
and why the Father is the only entity that possess the knowledge of the day and hour'

i am surprised that you are still talking of limitations 'in knowledge again' when you have already said that 'jesus was 100percent God That is(God is Omni-Know-All. God is Omniscient) in human skin! with a resounding yes! https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/4

Question B*(2b) kindly in your own words tell us priviledges evidence in Philippians 2:6 that jesus gave-up!

post coded (B*1)

MuttleyLaff:
Recall you were told, to note that, God the Father ≥ God the Son
and that, God the Son ≤ God the Father?

Remember the above arithmetic operators and about studying John 10:30, John 17:21 and Deuteronomy 6:4 to let the pennies drop?

now lets read them;
Believers as part of the alledged 'oneness of (God,jesus, Believers + Holy spirit) John 17:21 = Trinity? could not be sustained

John 10:30 (NKJV)

30 I and My Father are one.” lets see the same use of oneness below

John 17:21 (NKJV)

''that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they(believers) also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me''. (Note that this verse imply that all believers are also part of the alledged 'oneness of (God,jesus and Believers + Holy spirit)= Trinity? im i right?

Deuteronomy 6:4 (NKJV)

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

MuttleyLaff:
Also remember I said you are ignorant of Philippians 2:5-8? (i.e. ignorant particularly of Philippians 2:6)

Really? ok lets see;

Philippians 2:6 a and b;
6a, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,


B*(1a) question; Mutleylaff, kindly Tell us 'in Affirmation' the Form/Nature of God in your reply,

But in the Absence of that we shall consider Gods form/nature that he exist or known to be existing according to the Bible
lets start with Nature of God
God's supernatural Nature=jesus supernatural Nature = Angels supernatural Nature that is 'Existing in Flaming Fire'

Form/Nature of God

Hebrews 12:29
for our "God is a consuming fire."

Deuteronomy 4:24
24 For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God

Form/Nature of jesus

2 Thessalonians 1:7
This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels
Form/Nature of Angels

Psalms 104:4

“Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:”

lucifer himself is a cherub 'in flaming fire'

Does Lucifer consider it 'robbery to be equal with God?

Philippians 2:6 a and b;
6a, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

Isaiah 14: 14.
“For thou hast said in thine heart, … I will be like the most High.”

MuttleyLaff:
You're making an indefensible assumption to say God the Son, is not one, as God the Father
This I know, is what you're implying and/or trying hard to drive at

The Jews too couldnt take it in or understand it too,
so because of it, in John 10:31, picked up stones again to stone Him.
Dont be like that or be like them bro, picking up stones, to stone God the Son

Note that, God the Father ≥ or >= God the Son
and that, God the Son ≤ or <= God the Father

With the above arithmetic operators in mind, study John 10:30, John 17:21 and Deuteronomy 6:4 to let the pennies drop

You definitely are ignorant of Philippians 2:5-8,
so it isn't surprising, you asking question in such manner
and trying hard to make a phantom point out of Mark 13:32

⁵You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.
⁶Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
⁷Instead, he gave up his divine privileges,
he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,
⁸he humbled himself in obedience to God
- Philippians 2:5-8 NLT

⁵In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
⁶Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
⁷rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
⁸And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
- Philippians 2:5-8 NIV

Remember, God will be, whatever God will be.
God will be, whatever God needs to be. God will be, whatever God wants be.
God will be, whatever God can be. God will be, whatever God has to be.
and that this is a prerogative, us human beings, dont have?
Well, God the Son, when and/or where necessary gave up priviledges such like this one
Giving up this particular priviledge,
is, as usual, in line with subjecting to God the Father's will
and/or to the decision of God the Father who sent Him
It's a matter of jurisdiction bro (i.e. the Father has the final say in that matter, not the Son)

It's a matter of jurisdiction bro (i.e. the Father has the final say in that matter, not the Son)

you have not answered the question sir!
you only dance and dance and dance around the issue and gave answer to a wrong question, for clarity sake here is the question again which is about 'having a knowledge of a particular future day and hour' which ''(1) no one knows, (2) not even the angels in heaven, nor (3)the Son,
As you can see now its not a jurisdictional issue as you are trying to force on this issue but issue of
a, God the son alledgedly jesus whom you said was 100 percent God even in human skin, which means that his knowledge remains 100 percent intact thus:
b, Alledged God the Son, is not a human being offspring
c, Alledged God the Son, hasnt inherited any of Adam's nature


yet, you are yet to tell us the reason why only 'the father was the only entity that posses the knowledge of the day and hour' if jesus posses the knowledge he will tell us except you want to tell us that jesus lied.

so here is the unanswered question again;

Then why is Jesus alledgedly reffered to as 'God the Son' is ignorant of what his father God knows if truly he is equal with his father, and 100 per cent God in human's skin with no brain-short-circuit but full of same knowledge as the father,
Mark 13:32
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

MuttleyLaff:
Hmm, I see you're going to make a right meal of this.


God the Son, did not come from Adam
God the Son is the second or last Adam (i.e. He is a another or different template)
God the Son, is not a human being offspring
God the Son, hasnt inherited any of Adam's nature
God had a human body but no sin was found in Him
God the Son committed no sin, and no lie or deceit was found in His mouth

Then why is jesus alledgedly reffered to as 'God the Son' is ignorant of what his father God knows if truly he is equal with his father, take note of the verse below;

Mark 13:32

“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father .

Mekky05:
What point is Keyamo trying to prove biko?

That omoyele should come out withclean hands and tell Nigerians that he lied to 'obtain under false pretence' guilty under section 419 of Nig constitution to falsify documents to travel abroad for greener pastures yet castigating others of bedfellows like himself is 'hypocrisy'

Claimed to have been born on February 16, 1971, OMOYELE SOWORE claimed to be a 10 yrs old boy in december 24 1980, with more CONTROVERSIAL dates in when he started his primary education.




Not many, among those born of women, would still remain on their feet, shouting, if allowed to taste some of the bitter pills he had to swallow while occupying the exalted office of President of the Student Union of the institution. It was during his tenure that a battle line was drawn between cult members and law abiding students at Akoka. Taking the bull by the horns, he led the struggle in his own domain at the without any doubt, the cultists were put on the back foot. For the 'Great Akokites" and the generality of Nigerian undergraduates, this was a monumental victory. There was a new lease of life, freshness was in the air, and like many other students, he was in his room preparing for a semester examination when the story line changed and this happened: 'Cult members numbering 150, at about 6: 30pm on Friday March 11, 1994 attacked me. But hang on a minute, that wasn't all. 'I was stripped naked, stabbed on my head and injected with unknown chemical substances," before the very students he fought for, rescued him.

What would an ordinary person do in such a circumstance? Throw his hands in the air and give up the struggle he embraced as a 10 year boy who saw a lot of injustices, culminating in policemen raping girls in his hometown of Kiribo on december 24, 1980 and bringing false charges against the young men and ruining many careers in the process http://nigeriaworld.com/feature/publication/oyedoyin/2003/021703p.html