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ko7la:
IS IT TRUE?COULD IT BE TRUE?IS IT ALLEGED CORRUPTION OR CONFIRMED?WHAT ARE THE EVIDENCE?WHO ARE HER COLABORATORS?IS IT NOW OR WHEN? WAS SHE IN GOVERNMENT AS THAT TIME?WE NEED CLEARITY ON THE ALLEGATION.

[size=14pt]The case is not just now but since march this year before election[/size]

ayodiya:
You guys don't have a functioning brain is there only aisha buhari in the world.

you that have a brain ......is aisha buhari above the law to fraudulently siphone our money out of the country?

YakubuA:
Yes it is part of the Quran but it is not a proof

. who decides what constitutes proofs?

YakubuA:
You see unlike you Christians we Muslims do not just take literal translation of a verse rather we take it base on the understanding of the Prophet and his Companions.

Gbam! this is where the problem lies! The Boko Haram Al Shabbab etc Does not believe in stories that are 'Afterthought' like the one i strike through below because they are not found or contained in the quaran

can you quote verses where these story below can be found?

[s]So based on that this verse was referring to the tribes that reside in Medina who had a treaty with the Muslims but later violated the treaty and joined forces with the pagans of Quraish, from Mecca, who came to exterminate the Muslims during the battle of the confederates. After the incident Allah grant the Muslims permission to fight these tribe for their evil plots and evil alliances not because of their believe.

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post the verse where the story is found

unlike my own defence that jesus was not only sent to the isreal but also to the non isrealites all my defence were not only found in the bible or book of mathew but also the chapter 15 itself which you posted as your proof;
QUESTION FOR YOU;
You are yet to tell us WHY a Canaanite woman (non isrealite) benefited from what is meant 'only' for the isreal Yet jesus came only for the isreali.......a phrase that i will give evidences in the bible to prove.

Mathew 15:
22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed." 23But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
25But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!" 26And He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." 27But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."
28Then Jesus said to her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once.

paulGrundy:
This is the source:

http://www.post-nigeria.com/us-court-documents-reveal-aisha-buharis-involvement-in-the-atiku-jefferson-scandal/

The allegation looks cooked and full of distortions besides the site is not credible.

I relied more on this source with certified true copy of the pdf http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-fraud/legacy/2012/06/01/11-06-09jefferson-sent-memo.pdf

YakubuA:
@BERNIMOORE

I openly challenge you to show me ONE verse from the Quran which says to kill the disbelievers just because they are disbelievers. There are verses which permit the Muslims to fight non-Muslims but with sensible and reasonable conditions which must be met.


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OK, is this verse not part of quaran, explain!
Quaran
9:123
Sahih International
O [size=14pt]you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness[/size]. And know that Allah is with the righteous. The verse does not mention anything like government, so know the kind of concoctions you will defend with

tucky200:
How many times will u guys post this trash without a credible source..nawa o

you are jittery or you wish its not true see the certified true copy of the pdf link and keep mute http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-fraud/legacy/2012/06/01/11-06-09jefferson-sent-memo.pdf

Oshiomole loses his credibility when he chose to sweep this revelation below under carpet not knowing that he cant conceal facts in this age;

The United States Justice Department revealed that the All Progressive Congress Presidential Candidate, APC, Muhammadu Buhari’s Aisha Buhari, was used as conduit and engaged in fraudulent wire transfers, from her Nigerian account in favour of Congressman Jefferson via the ANJ Group LLC.

The US District Court Memo states that Congressman William J. Jefferson between August 2000 and August 2005, Congressman Jefferson sought hundreds of millions of dollars on behalf of himself and family members.

In return, the defendant used his congressional office to promote the business interests of bribe-paying companies whose very success was dependent upon the approvals of certain United States and West African government agencies and officials.

Congressman Jefferson further compounded his criminal culpability by conspiring with others to pay a bribe to the then-sitting Vice President of Nigeria.

The WhistleNG in an exclusive report stated that in hushed and sometimes cryptic taped recorded conversations, Congressman Jefferson explained in detail how the success of the Nigerian telecommunications venture depended on bribing the Vice President of Nigeria, who the defendant described as “really corrupt.”

The US District Court during their investigation also revealed that William’s Jefferson in one of his numerous bribe schemes wired $170,000 to a Nigerian account in the name of Aisha Buhari.

“During the investigation of his numerous bribe schemes, law enforcement agents learned of several wire transfers from offshore territories into U.S. financial accounts that were either controlled by the defendant or whose proceeds were made available for his benefit.

See Donald C. Semesky, Jr., Tr. at 104 – 116; see also Government Exhibits 36-87 (6/26/02 $170,000 wire transfer from account in Nigeria in the name of Aisha Buhari to an account in the name of The ANJ Group, LLC, identifying “William Jefferson” as Beneficiary), Government Exhibits 36-90 and 36-91 (11/28/03 $50,000 wire transfer from account in British Virgin Islands in the name of Dawson Creek Traders to an account in the name of Jefferson Interests, Inc.http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-fraud/legacy/2012/06/01/11-06-09jefferson-sent-memo.pdf

[size=14pt]police Opinion on this issue cannot alter the judiciary's decision since the Senate Lawmakers who makes law for judiciary 'have the sovereingnty of interpreting their actions alongside the judiciary' the court has the last say and at best the case will hang in the appeal court![/size]

[size=16pt]Admitting evidences as exhibits is part of court processes and does not mean that saraki would not win the case which is very weak now[/size]

Realisticman:
I like tradition but there are some that modernisation has rendered useless. If the palace chiefs are the only ones permitted to announce his death, then they should have equipped the palace with the most sophisticated hospital on earth whereby the palace chiefs will be made to read medicine so that an Oyinbo doctor will not be the first to actually announce the death of the Ooni.

The truth is that the death of the likes of Oba like sijuwade, sources said that tradition demands that alledgedly 7 people must be buried with him, and so if an Oba like that died, the Chiefs would have ensured that people numbering up to seven or more are captured before the cheifs deem it fit announcing the death of oba! and if ifa rejects some of those captured, there will still be an Oro or curfew imposed, and anyone ignorant and caught will be smuggled to the palace to be alledgedly buried with Oba. the chiefs dont ever say oba died but oba-waja!

YakubuA:
In the Islamic system of govt the Muslims are obliged to pay Zakat or Alms to the state taken from the rich and given to the poor. The non-Muslims are not obliged to pay Zakat or Alms.
Jizyah is the state tax, levied to non-Muslim men (women and children excluded) who can afford it, under the Islamic system of government. Of course anyone who does not pay the state tax the state fight and humbled him. This is not only in the Islamic government but in any system of government. I don't know where you live but wherever you are try not to pay your state tax and see if the govt will not fight and humiliate you. [size=14pt]So what is your point here?[/size]

my point here is that you again fail big time! as you did not address the quaran verse;

here is the verse again;

@yakubuA. [size=28pt]سورة التوبة [/size]
[size=14pt]quaran 9:29[/size]
Sahih International
[size=14pt] Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. [/size]

Fight those who do not 'Adopt Islam' or believe in Allah or in the Last Day or a named so called religion of truth and fighting those who do not belive in Alah does Not relate in anyway with paying of taxes, forcefull conversion of non muslims was the issue you are running from diverting from topic

post (B3*)

YakubuA your post is now getting messier Flip, Flop

[size=18pt]FLIP[/size] " this was the reason why he did not answer her"

YakubuA:
No lie here dude. Jesus answer was very clear. I have only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel meant I am only sent to the Israelites. There is no any other meaning to this. And [size=14pt]this was the reason why he did not answer her[/size].

[size=18pt]FLOP[/size] Jesus told her clearly that he was not sent to her but only to the lost of the Israelites yet jesus did not answer her! can you be taken seriously?

YakiubuA:
Yes we know clearly the woman was Canaanite not Israeli and she came to seek help for her daughter to be heeled. [size=14pt]Jesus told her clearly that he was not sent to her but only to the lost of the Israelites[/size]. This is plain English.

I cant just stoplaughing at this expose

[size=18pt]Post (B*). [/size] YakubuA.

Let us see if you are correct by quoting all the verses verbatim:

22And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed." [size=18pt]23But He did not answer her a word[/size]. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

verses 24 bolded above, Jesus 'did not answer her 'A WORD'
You seem to tell lies on jesus now you erred again by wrongly saying that;

YakubuA Jesus told her clearly that he was not sent to her but only to the lost of the Israelites. This is plain English

answer this pls tagged ([size=14pt]B2)was Jesus addressing the Canaanite woman on "the issue of lost sheep or Jesus was addressing the issue of lost sheep to only his disciples after the disciples urged jesus to send her away and jesus refusing to answer her a word on the lost sheep[/size] I can't laugh o Jesus was only responding initially only to the disciples on the lost sheep issue and not the woman. Then when the woman passed a test Jesus now talk to her later

@yakubuA. [size=28pt]سورة التوبة [/size]
[size=14pt]quaran 9:29[/size]
Sahih International
[size=14pt] Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. [/size] [size=16pt]compare pls [/size]
Matthew 5:43-48 king James version
43 “You have heard that it was said (in law) that, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I(jesus) say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you

[size=14pt]# Coded post tagged (B)[/size]

My Further response to your reply to my Coded post Tagged (A) A1 TO A16

Here is your reply

YakubuA:
The point is that all these verses are in the bible.

BERNIMOORE'S reply........You were silent on the 'Quoted' verse you chose to in your own volition to 'concort and fabricate, another version of the bible to exclude the word 'isreal' in Deuteronomy 17:12 so as to drag the bible/holy scripture into a pre-meditated assertion of yours'....'criminal exclusion at its best from you is mischievious' pls stop it.

YakubuA

Of course everything in the Bible was directed to Israel

BERNIMOORE'S reply ....... [size=14pt]really![/size] i will prove you wrong.

YakubuA .... Jesus himself was an Israeli and the Bible never mention Christians or Christianity.

Tell us where bible mentioned that jesus was an isreali

YakubuA Even Jesus said: Mathew

15:24 But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

. BERNIMOORE'S reply. *for reference purpose I will tag your quote of Mathew 15:24 as[size=14pt] B1*[/size]

you just gave a bible verse that nailed you big time, lets see in the same full context of mathew 15 that you quoted ;
Mathew 15:22_25. …22And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed. " 23But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."…. @YakubuA,..... you thought that the woman in this context was 'an isreali' not knowing the woman of Canaan is NOT an isreali! cannannites are enemies of isreal and are idol worshippers exodus 23:23, so as a NON isreali, she displayed faith in jesus and that is just what jesus needed and that is why jesus said that;"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel " so we can conclude peacefully in jesus own word about the cannanite woman to his disciples that 'jesus was sent to 'NON isrealis' you erroneously fell into making these mistakes in your response thinking that the woman that Jesus was talking about when he talk about lost sheep of isreal was an Israeli and not knowing that she wasn't based on that portion of bible you heavily depend you wrongly claim these below

YakubuA:
And we know that Christians are not Israelis (as you truly recognise on all your comments above) and this implies that Jesus was not send to the Christians but to the Israelis..

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Again the phrase; "a woman of Canaan" nullifies all your applications of the 'wrong quote' of Mathew 15:24 to the christ followers would have been valid only if the woman in question was an Israeli.

YakubuA:
what is your connection with Jesus

building my answer from the same context of Matthew 15 the same context of your defense that led you to error I have a similarity with the women in question, how? By display of faith in Jesus; Matthew 15:28

28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
John 3;16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Note the phrase 'whoever believes in Jesus'' can you see where I am connected to Jesus now! Good!

YakubuA:
So as a Christian who are you following? who is your God? and which scripture you are using?

1, i am following GOD through faith in christ! Having established that in above 2. My God is the Almighty One God! 3,i believe in and use the sacred 66 books of the sacred scriptures!

change49ja:
Don't jump into conclusion yet, wait for the court outcomes.

[size=18pt]yawn![/size] the case will die in appeal courts court like tambuwal vs pdp, distraction things!

YakubuA:
[/quote][size=14pt]#Coded (PostA)[/size]

[size=14pt]My Statements of reply to your response to my Statement of Claims in pg (4)[/size] https://www.nairaland.com/2480272/why-islamic-scholars-silent-boko/4
For clarity purposes i have tagged each paragraphs containing every claims in your response to my Statement of Claims as (A1 to A16) Below, however;

# You YakubuA erred in (A1 below) as you have fabricated and concorted your own version of Deuteronomy17:12 by removing 'isreal from the context of the verse' so as to give another meaning to the verse to equal it with quaran's verses that directly urges all the muslems believers' to fight, click http://quran.com/9/123 word for word here;

9:123
(Sahih International Translation)
- سورة التوبة O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.

This DIRECT URGE to Muslim Believers cannot equally be said about christians in all A1-16 of your response below;

[quote author=YakubuA post=36323964]What about these?

A1...... YakubuA post.1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.......Deuteronomy17:12

Authentic verse Deuteronomy17:12 reads

"12 Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the Lord your God must die. In this way you will purge the evil [size=14pt]from Israel[/size]............................. Deuteronomy17:12 Click to verify http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/17-12.htm

can you please quote the bible version you used in your post above that ommited 'isreal in its context? pls bring it on in your reply, because it is a 'criminal exclusion. i want to belive that you are innocent until you fail to provide the bible version,(confirm the quaran version i quoted if its authentic (Sahih International Translation)

A2...... YakubuA post .2. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God. Ezekiel 35:7-9 verse 5 that clearly specify that those concerned are not christians but isreal 5 “Because you have had an ancient hatred, and have shed the blood of the children of Israel by the power of the sword at the time of their calamity click https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+35%3A5-9&version=NKJV

A3........ YakubuA post.3. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matthew 10:34-35 reconcile same verse with what jesus said again about his sword..
Revelation 2:16
16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
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A4......... YakubuA post.4. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. Isaiah 14:21 Verses 1;2 of same isaiah 14 was specific about who are concerned, they are enemies of isreal, and so christians are not involved ........isaiah 14:1, [size=14pt] 2 Then people will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them for servants and maids in the land of the Lord; they will take them captive whose captives they were, and rule over their oppressors [/size]. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+14%3A1-21&version=NKJV

A5........YakubuA post.5. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.” Ezekiel 9:5 VERSE 3 preceeding 5 shows that it was isreal that was concerned and Not christians Ezekiel 9:3 Now the glory of the God of [size=14pt]Israel[/size] had gone up from the cherub, where it had been, to the threshold of the temple.[a] And He called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer’s inkhorn at his side; 4 and the Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.”

A6.....YakubuA post.6. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die. Exodus 31:12-15, was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians

A7......YakubuA post.7. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10 ........was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians

A8.......YakubuA post.8. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31: 17-18...... ........was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians

A9....... YakubuA post. 9. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9 .......was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians

A10..... YakubuA post.10. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians

A11..... YakubuA post.11. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians

A12.... YakubuA post. 12. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians

A13.... YakubuA post.13. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. Jeremiah 48:10 go back to verse 9 preceeding 10 .......

Jeremiah 48:9 “Give wings to [size=14pt]Moab(enemies of isreal),[/size]
That she may flee and get away;
For her cities shall be desolate,
Without any to dwell in them. was Directed to Isreal's Enemy in the context and Not Christians

A14....YakubuA post .14. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers]. Leviticus 24:16 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians

A15.......YakubuA post.15. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed. Numbers 1: 51 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians

i am expecting your reply to each and every paragraphs in A1-16 above, then Bring on more bible quotes and we shall consider them alongside quaran so as to see where problem was. Thanks

eugyno:
Some police officers found out that Bukola Saraki, who is Nigeria’s Senate President, was a petty thief as of 1990, he was actually charged with theft of N510,000 at Societe Generale Bank of Nigeria. The officers warned in a report that Saraki was about to liquidate the bank by looting it, but no one listened until his siblings, cronies and relatives eventually did.


http://www..com/bombshell-do-you-know-bukola-saraki-was-a-thief-in-1990-you-wont-believe-thus-shocking-revelation-documents-attached/

Buhari was a criminal, one mohammed buhari's wasc certificate was presented as his! just the way james onanefe ibori was doubled in the case vs great ogboru, the court freed ibori of charges saying 'one james onanefe ibori's identification cannot be verified, and so buhari's identification was controversial and thee world knew that buhari has got no certificate simple, bukola's alledge case is a childs play beside the real forger and impersonator ..............Buhari, lets enjoy N40 per litre now as APC PROMISED instead of these well reheased Drama of distraction, awon Ole even, sahara reporters ceo receing a house gift from Tinubu is corruption, please eat yoir concortion alone ole.

bolayod:
There are also New Testament passages cited as justification to kill non-believers, e.g.

Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

You messed up big time in these Next two passages you quoted because you were in a hurry just like typical muslims who always want to justify their crime but this verses below did not support your point, you will be embarrased how you just fail an 'english language comprehension'


jesus was Not ''the certain noble man in his own analogy/story/parable who ask rebelious servants slayed''
jesus was neutral to the story ok

now get your big lenses and read;https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19&version=NKJV

Luke 19 V 11- 27

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas,[b] and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he(noble man) said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

you failed badly again, jesus never command christians to slay anyone

bolayod:
As well as Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword

Thank God Jesus did not say 'to strike with sword' lets see what he mean;

prophecy about jesus in the book of isaiah describes the sword;
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+49&version=NKJV

Isaiah 49:2
And He has made My mouth like a sharp sword;
In the shadow of His hand He has hidden Me,
And made Me a polished shaft;
In His quiver He has hidden Me

jesus said here again;

Revelation 2:16
16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.


This cannot be said about about

quaran Surat Al-'Anfāl (The Spoils of War) سورة الأنفال http://quran.com/8/12 which directs muslim believer to directly behead, cut off, slaughter and strike a perceived umbeliever (God have mercy)

Surat Al-'Anfāl 8;12
[size=14pt]''so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."[/size]

bolayod:
Deuteronomy 17:
2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die..

you ommited this verse; 17......... So you shall put away the evil from Israel.

The message was strictly for children of isreal and NOT Christ BELIEVERS. this cannot be said about surah 1;123 which was rightly directed to believers (of islam) and so gave room to the terrorist adopting it to justify their crime. read;

[size=14pt]Surat At-Tawbah - سورة التوبة 9:123
9:123 [b]O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous[/b][/size].

''O you who have believed'' is an open statement that the terrorist adopt and they have the right to adopt it since the quaran did not specify a boundary of which it applies except forcefull denials without backing from muslims.

bolayod:
But Christians often cite Old Testament laws (for example, on homosexuality) so it can be a little hard to tell precisely what they believe.

wrong! christians based their condemnation for homosexuality strictly on NEW TESTAMENT.......1 Corinthians 6:9.... Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.…

bolayod:
The Christian relationship to the Old Testament is kind of confusing. It's often cited as the Old Law that Jesus came to fulfill, relieving (for example) the dietary requirements, and lets you treat passages like this one as no longer relevant.

Christians are not under old law through moses(torah) but rather Christian believers are justified only through 'faith in christ' and NOT according to law(torah)

Galatians 3:23-27New King James Version (NKJV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+3%3A23-27

23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith . 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

jesus fuffiling of law/covenant was not the issue here but rather our faith in christ made us christians let me educate you on that;

Hebrew 7;
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment....

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

lets see the better covenant and how jesus fuffilled the law

Matthew 5:43-48New King James Version (NKJV)


43 “You have heard that it was said (in law) that, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I(jesus) say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you

◄ Galatians 5:14 ►

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

kefmawin:
The initiator of this thread is a willingly ignorant fellow professing himself to be wise. The bible talks of people professing tenehemselves to be wise and became fools.

The bible must be read in context.

1) The generation refers to the last generation who would see all the signs of end time predicted.

2) Those standing who would not taste death till they see the coming of the son of man in glory refers to some of Jesus' Disciples: Peter, James and John that experienced the Transfiguration about 6days after when they saw Christ in his glory. Reading further in this passage indicates this.

The issue about the Second coming is so real that the occurrence is not in doubt as there are more bible prophecies on the 2nd coming than the first coming. Yet the first coming was fulfilled to the later.


The book of Daniel predicted major empires such as Medo-Persia, Grecian and Roman Empire centuries before their coming and they where fulfilled to the later.

There are several archeological and historical evidence verifying the bible.

The one who chooses to remain in unbelief and unreasonable disputation does so to his/her own peril.

just hit the point you don't need to insult OK go straight and answer

Sarassin:
Jesus has been dead for over Two thousand years, one would have thought it blindingly obvious to the Christians that he ain't coming back, here's why;

Jesus of Nazareth was an apocalyptic Jewish prophet, he came from a long line of Jewish apocalyptic prophets, like Johanne the Immerser before him and Jesus Ben Ananias after him. Jesus,much like Johanne believed the end of the world was imminent but, like all apocalyptic prophets he got it spectacularly wrong.

Jesus’ core teaching was the imminent arrival of the kingdom of God, all his other teachings were a derivative or corollary of this message. He believed God was going to perform a mighty act of salvation of his people heralded by the coming of the agent of change “ the son of Man” and that quite a lot of people would be around to witness it. His disciples believed they would “rule” at the right hand side of Jesus in the coming kingdom, each disciple at the head of a tribe of Israel (this is was the promise that enticed them to join his ministry)

Apparently this is what the Apostle Paul believed too….initially, here are his words; in his earliest recorded letter to the Thessalonians written around 49CE less than twenty years after Jesus’ death (Thess 4:15-17)

“ For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord by no means will precede those who have died………then we who are alive, who are left will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air”

It is clear that the early church that existed after the death of Jesus was apocalyptic in nature. Apostle Paul fully expected the imminent arrival of the Kingdom of God in his lifetime, and quite clearly expected to be amongst those to be “caught up in the clouds” Indeed he asks his congregations not to better themselves, not to bother to get married if they weren’t already…the implications being, there was no point !

Luke writing with the benefit of hind-sight several years later makes the necessary adjustments to Mark’s account to spare the embarrassment of Christians being open to ridicule since the Kingdom of God had not arrived as expected. The changes are subtle and expertly done;

(Luke 11:20) …”the Kingdom has already come to you” and (Luke 17:21) “ Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

When Jesus is brought before the Sanhedrin he tells the priests in Mark (14:62)

“you will see the son of man seated at the right hand of power and coming with the clouds of heaven”

Luke writing many years after the death of the priests knowing full well the priests saw no such thing modifies Mark’s words;

“from now on the son of man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God” (Luke 22:69)

See if you can spot the difference.

Christian doctrine arose largely as a direct consequence of the non-fulfillment of that particular prophecy.

2 peter 3:9_10 already had answers to you question! Paul and apostle of jesus as he claimed relied on jesus assertion of the kingdom, where as jesus make mistakes and that makes him a different person and inferior to God, 2_pet 3:9-10 stipulates why God break those timing and delayed the doomsday "because he does not desire anyone to be perished by his decree but for everyone to come to to repentance, the onus is on you to be found blameless when you die and facing judgement!

STEVENcrack:
Remember the days of NOAH..

In your mind u felt that u av written a nice piece why don't u go to ur pastor for clarity instead of publishing this on nairaland looking for people to weaken their faith. The DAVIEN guy already explained it to u but it seems u are not in for answers just want an arguement.

We are christians meaning "christlike" and Jesus christ made us to know dat no one knows d time when he's gonna come. I repeat no one.

Remember the days of NOAH. Remember sodom. Remember gomorrah. Remember neniveh.

the guy is lazy to remember anything he feared that death might even be the end hence he can't adjust his ways phobia things sha!

Does this support buying of dubious private jets where there are poor in the church? Or. Does Jesus receive or pay tithe? Does he fix percentage of money that should be paid to Church, common don't justify pure criminal extortion by greedy pastors with scriptural quotes be warned!

Layi9:
e be lyk sey u neva read ur own bible oo or u dey read d sweet parts only....both our religions had religious wars....so having d story of such wars portrayed in our religious books is only normal...better go and read about joshua

is Joshua a Christian?

Charly68:
If the president's promise is any thing to go bye then the so called national Assembly Excos should be dissolved because they can not stand on false premise..they should go to jail for betrayal of public trust.. Honorable men that acted dishonorably must forfeit his honor forthwith. The Clark of the house if found guilty must end up behind the bar for his corrupt action.

[size=14pt]we are talking about lawmakers here who makes law for the judiciary! this case is dead on arrival, tambuwal violated section 68 (1) but because of the fact that he is a lawmaker and national assembly are not bound by limits of the judiciary or police the case will die in court like tambuwal case of in respect of sec 68 (1) so it will be for senate standing rules paragraphs 110 cannot be decided by the court who rely on lawmakers for amendments [/size]

mubarakopeyemi:
I hope you guys won't prompt me to start another episode of Religious Factualization of killings in the Bible.

If Iesa (Jesus) doesn't kill/Destroy the anti christ.
So the anti christ has taken over then.
I used both kill and Destroy in the write up. What then is your stress

Think with your brain. And see beyond hate

I will reel out numerous killing intended verses in the bible for you. But I will not be forced to do so.

killings in the Bible was not carried out by Christians but the Israelites who were not Christians, neither were Christians directed to kill the way quaran directed Muslims to kill, you can just bring only one verse and let's treat it don't post 2 bible verses for clarity sake can you? Oya now if you get the liver

@Reiyvinn you had your question answered already man! Let's see your question again!

Reiyvinn:
So what does that make of the Second Coming? [size=14pt]A Failed Prophecy or not?
Let's be honest with ourselves.[/size]

Answer;

Anas09:
2Peter 3: 9'10.
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9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as. some men count slackness but is longsuffering,towards all, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night[/size]...

the desire of God is that everyone should not be perished and that account for why God did Not bring the kingdom then but extended it even till our day, Jesus actually made that statement that God wasn't bound to strictly adhere to because Jesus is not same person as his father who holds the last order (trinitarians might have problem with this part) Gods love and desire for our repentance can change Gods timing of event but it must surely pass. Jonah is an example of a prophet sent by God to pronounce destruction on Nineveh, God never told jonah to give a time limit but jonah went ahead to pronounce 40 days, on repentance by the ninevites Jonah felt stupid and groan about facing same people when 40days never be! Because God never directed jonah to fix 40 days time in the first place. 2 Peter 3:10 up there reiterates that 'it will surely come to pass, I will lastly advice you to think of one imminent end beside you......death, that alone should make you amend your ways and be found righteous instead of scoffing the prophecy of which the timing only change and not the occurrence which will surely come. I can see that you already doubt Jesus existence already which means that no amount of explanation will be considered by you because you have 'already made up your mind! Your post below reveals to me why it will be difficult convincingly you!

Reiyvinn: Now, back to the passage, we all know that everyone "standing [t]here" are now dead, buried and forgotten (that's assuming Jesus even existed)

so objective minded people will see that your question is answered thanks

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Temi tope Balogun Joshua from Arigidi Akoko ondo state Now has murdered more than 100 people with compromised building structure, can he be a man of God? with all this crime? lets read what apostle peter wrote about what a man of should not be found wanting and said he is being persecuted; lets read;

1 Peter 4:14-16

If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 [size=14pt]If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler.[/size]

Temi tope Balogun Joshua is found wanting!

OLAADEGBU:
The onus probandi is on you to prove that jesus is not who he claimed to be.

ok what does Jesus claim to be!…....… Straight answer and yes sir, the issue here was who begets who? I'm I correct? You can ignore that

OLAADEGBU:
The onus is on you to find out what it means to beget.

so the onus/burden is on me now Olaadegbu! at times when I read your posts I laugh at how you used to jump exegical holes to arrive at a straw conclusion and expect one to swallow them wholesale! Simple question you can't defend your project