₦airaland Forum

iamgiggssleaky:
if the price of the Iphone drops to the extent that anyone can afford it then the phone would lose its value and blv it or not, the population of those that would use it in Nigeria won't Increase rather it would reduce.

so the major reasons IPhone is surviving in the market is because only one model is produced over a given period of time, Its OS is exclusive to the brand alone and its pricing is well tailored.

now reverse these things to be different models at a given time, OS availability isn't exclusive, prices vary.. then no prestige attached and the brand loses its value.

This completely explains the "Whatsapp over BBM" theory as well. Although, people rushed to check out the app when it was finally released on andriod and ios, the comments that followed weren't so cool. most people were like "so is this the bbm we were always always hearing of? " "nothing special". n now 1 out of 7 people use whatsapp. why not bbm that opened it to other users?.

You're an economist and you're trying to convey your point to masses who "aren't there yet". Class distinction+Brand=Luxury Items.
A company cannot start at the top and work its way down, its preposterous. Thats what lead to the demise of the blackberry empire.
Affordability kills Luxury Items.

This list is like a poor man, listing 10 reasons, why Nigerians don't buy Lambos.

danielayodele16:
Very funny, I really think she should be checked again.

AND those around her, are either validating she's Ok or They aren't.... a picture says a thousand words

One of them has a team of make up artists and access to the best cosmeticians, so they can keep up their appearance

free your mind!

Could Also be reasons why Friendships end.

Mentally unstable people communicating with mentally unstable person.

To the OP,

nice write up, I understand your point exactly. I would love to add that.. you shouldn't marry someone who doesn't love you with the hopes that your love will show them the way... thats movie type stuff, and not the stuff reality is made of. The potential that time will even kill the love you have for her is much greater. Where did you throw the famous saying "If you truly love her, you set her free". Love is a two way highway, where there are more lanes on the mans side than the woman's. the same advice here goes for the men too... why do you overlook the not so good-looking girl who is all over you because you're in love with the hot girl who doesn't have your time.

BTW
Always have a set standard, whether MAN or WOMAN

if you want a rich man, by all means wait for what you want.
we live in a demand based society,

If you truly LOVE her like you claim you do... you will raise yourself to meet her standards, not tell her to lower her standards for you

if she wants a Car, get it and prove to her that you make her dreams come true and no other man will exist before her eyes

Arsenate:
yeah right. Like you know better than cska, Leicester and the rest. Pfffft

Sentiments... Making that Rubbish the Captain of the Nigerian team, is a sign of the worst times for the Federation.

Captain that can't control a ball.... He's fast.. really fast... but he's also rubbish. Thats just the truth. CSKA just want to make money

I've come to the Understanding that when it comes to Parenting in Nigeria, there is not set Medium to go by and as children, you experiences will be based on two factors. There isn't any evolution and as a society, we always dwell on archaic practices than look to evolve them. Even though with modernization and technology, the answers are just right there in front of our eyes, we over look it and dwell on practices of the past, while expecting the future to be different.

1. Economic standard of the parents, will determine the rules they impose on their children
2. Education, Awareness and geographical location will determine, societal acceptable rules for parenting.

Its is a well documented fact the a vast majority of Wealthy parents, don't beat their children but talk to them, while the reverse is the case for the Not So wealthy Parents,

Examples.

Here are some Comparisons.

In Many poor Nigerians households, Kids are raise with the notion that eating the meat before eating the food is stealing
and I'm sure there are many Nairalanders that grew up with this upbringing and will continue it too with their children.

But Wealthy Nigerians, will encourage their children, to at least eat the meat, if they don't feel like eating

I will post some others ... and you're welcome to share some, you've heard or experienced.

AlPeter:
Nope they become wiser and learn not to steal again, but that won't erode their other vices which is what you see. I grew up in some of the worst environments in Lagos and the kids that become touts are the ones whose parents follow your advice.

you keep selling this because you've never experienced anything different.
That does not make it right.

AlPeter:
you are the dumb one here your brain is filled with so much complexity you cannot understand the simple things here. Spare the rod and spoil the child. That boy will not hate the mom infact he will love her more for this act. You said he MIGHT turn to a robber in future? Someone that is already stealing 5K at age 9 is already more than 70% on its way to become an armed robber. This mom's act send the boy a very strong message, I WILL NOT BE THE MOTHER OF A THIEF AND IF YOU TRY IT I YOUR MUM WILL EXPOSE YOU. When next anybody tries to convince him to steal he will vehemently oppose it, because he now knows is mom HATES it. Now that i have taught you how to use that THING between your ears you can thank me.

Some minds are just too difficult to open than others. You took my words personal and at that it's clouding your judgment.
anyways... Maybe I can ask you questions to help you..

1. Why did he steal?, was it a crime of opportunity, and What would he have done with the money.
2. Do you think, he cares what his mother thinks before stealing?
3. Will he be labelled thief all around? and if So... would you have your kids associate with him
4. If Money was lost around him, even if he wasn't the thief.. who would be your number one suspect?
5. Are there other means of solving his behavior, instead of this particular means?

Anything other than your answers will be overlooked... free your mind.

AlPeter:
if the boy grow up to become and armed robber folks like you won't pity him den ooooo. What the mom did is very right. He will grow up with the memory and never steal again that's the psychological effect it will have on him.

This is whats wrong with Nigeria and Most Nigerians right now... people like you don't understand the steps in solving a problem.
Has this Solved the problem of the Kid... NO. what the mother has done is further ostricized the boy... he might turn into a Robber because
he Has nothing to loose.

steps to solving a problem:

1. Find the Underlying Cause of the Problem

Intelligence is not Cheap... thats all I can donate to you. I know you won't become a Pragmatist but I'm glad I've sent you in the right direction.

Thank me Later.

WORST Nigerian Player!!!!! still need to develop in the nigerian league for like 5 more years

wow.... this guy is pressing that .... hard

must be transfer deadline day

Talk to HER.. then
try in the shower, kitchen.. . use your brain

or Maybe she might not be attracted to you
but she got married to you because of pressure from your LOVE and her family

any rate... its just a Maybe... i wouldn't worry about it

this pic is too old... no tattoos on Messi's hand... must be around 2010

and now.... the whole world knows he's a thief... who will hire him in that community when he goes to school .. even if he's changed his life around. The consequence of this punishment is only Permanent. you've "humty-Dumtied" the boy, which side of the fence this boy will fall.. no-one knows. But boys like these, have a high tendency to run away.

This is Abuse by the way!

Michellla:
12.she could be pretending.
till you wife her.

Then she can be that... marry her

Ps. I found that and more... but as a man i'm not satisfied and still looking for more

wristbangle:
The rush for greener pasture has becloud the vision of Nigeria Graduates to the extent that most believe nothing good can happen owing to the deplorable state of the country's economy.

As a result of negative economic situation, some have travelled to the overseas in search for good jobs but it's unfortunate that they eventually secure shameful occupation which they can't even wish for their enemy to do.

Therefore, 8 Annoying Jobs Nigeria Graduates Do In Order To Survive At Overseas Countries

1. Cleaner

It's so demoralising to see a PHD holder cleaning toilets, streets, floor of hotels, bars and offices. No matter how terrible Nigeria economy is, a graduate of such calibre cannot even think for once in picking such jobs in this county except if his/her village witches are at work.

2. Security guard

I have heard cases of professors in Nigeria University been employed as security guard in overseas countries because his quality of education and expertise cannot even match the skills an employer is looking for. What could be so agonising to see your celebrated professor as puppet in another country?

3. Washing dead bodies

It's rather an insult upon injury to see a Graduate of this country washing dead body in another man's land to make end meets. The most annoying thing they claim to be working as forensic officer but what happens when they contact a deadly disease during the occupation, of course prophet T.B joshua will be at their rescue.

4. Prostitution

I don't know why some ladies who are graduates has completely lost self esteem and integrity hereby resorting to prostitution career when they travel to overseas. This is a common act in countries like Italy and Brazil where they have sex with all sort of men, dog, horse and monkey in order to make money. I am sure that people must have heard the story of a female Nigeria celebrity who did this act. I pity the guy that will marry her.

5. House maid

I believe that the highest qualification to select a house maid suppose to be someone with O level certificate but the case is different in overseas countries where some Nigeria graduate make mockery of their selves to work as house help.

6. Refuse and Sewage packer

Honestly speaking I pity the life of refuse and sewage workers because they are marred with poor health condition which is as a result of the bad stench oozing from the waste. Let's be frank here, can a white man work as sewage worker in Nigeria? Abi no be the same brain God give us?

7. Drug smuggler

Smuggling cocaine, hemp, marijuana and other hard drugs is not a legitimate occupation and it can never be. Greed and desperation to become wealthy fast has ruin the destiny of so many Nigeria Graduates whereby some have rot in jail while others has received death penalty.

8. Undertaker

There is dignity in when a graduate of this country patiently build his/her career at expense of picking a job that will never add value to his resume. Imagine a graduate working as undertaker (lifting corpse in coffin) at overseas countries because of the money attached. Is that life?

You can also add yours

Lalasticlala

Experience is always INFACT the best teacher.... Hearsay! not so much
For OP to base his information on hearsay is very very.....
For starters all of the Careers listed above are reputable careers that maintain societal standards
They all have their own governing bodies and they aren't the same as whatever is practiced in Nigeria.
The cleaner is in-fact the lowest of the low of your list here, but at that bottom too Cleaners have grade.
Had a girlfriend once who makes $200 per house and spend about 5Hrs cleaning each house

YOu keep Mentioning Nigerian Graduate... Being a graduate in Nigeria is only valuable in Nigeria.. except for some internationally accredited Univ. You will have to take many professional exams, and your results have to be re-evaluated and you might even be sent back to school.
I'm met numerous of these graduates, that can't pen a essay.

I was having a highly intense debate with an Uncle about this last one over the recent holiday... My question was why NIGERIANS do not come to North America with the LIVE IN CAREGIVER WORKER VISA. its the most accommodating and its highly dominated by Filipinos. They use the Visa's and after 3 years, they've saved enough money to bring their families over. You get paid to live in and take care of Children, while you go to school over the weekend, Food is free, Accommodation is free. My uncles rebuttal is Nigerians are too Proud to do things like that... because they look down on those that do it back home, so they see it as a backtracking.

Thats what I think OP is doing, because you look down at those Jobs back home, you can't imagine coming over and doing what you rejected in Nigeria. Lmfao.... but you forget TECHNOLOGY.

Cleaner doesn't touch Garbage
Security carry Guns
Nurse Washes CADAVERs
Prostitute = Massage Therapist
House Maid = LiveIn Caregiver
REfuse and Sewage workers = make the same $$$ as a RPN

And to make it... no-one looks down at you here, No one cares what you do.

ogun- 20
ooogun--- you didn't climb it
oogun-- you climbed it
oogun-- it Poked it
ooogun-- you didn't poke it




anything is anything in yoruba....
Ps. I think Im totally wrong but thats what I hear

HaneefahRN:
U aren't getting me at all. There is no big deal in travelling out to search for greener pasture (I plan to do tht wt my family), but is it so hard to move in ur family wt u when u're settled? Is it so hard to come visiting and check on ur family once in a while?

Yes, it can definitely become a nightmare, you don't know the many cooked up stories, these people feed immigration. lets say for example... you travel to Ghana and tell the ghanian government that the reason you want to stay in their country is because people are after your life back in Nigeria. you didn't claim to have family back in Nigeria. Ghana grants you Asylum under the UN treaty, and maintaining that means you can never return to Nigeria until who knows.... I just used Ghana as an example, but there are many stories like that... or some people will even claim that they're homosexuals and their families are trying to kill them, thats why they're claiming Asylum. Different strokes for different folks. Sometimes from the outside, it just looks like John has left his family for 10 years and hasn't returned... but wife is still waiting because she might very well be aware of Johns plans too to begin with. plus when you leave too.. you're missing work and money to just go and sit and spend money everyday.

HaneefahRN:
No, I never deviated from my points. I was never against men travelling, I'm against them leaving their family behind for so long. It's either they move together, he sends for them as soon as he is settled, or he comes home as often as he can. Not leaving a trophey wife and kids back home waiting.

sometimes... no ... oftentimes, it is better to send someone to see whats on hand and prepare for the rest of the family. I've seen countless of these scenarios play out. I had a family friend relocate from Nigeria to here, some years back... he was already married with 2 children at the time, the youngest of which was about 1 year and some months. The initial plan was, that the father would come, and after 6 months, the wife would come with the kids, no matter what. When the father arrived, and saw what was on ground, He cried everyday, because he couldn't convince his wife to wait, about another 3 years, so that everything would be smooth. He for one had to go back to school, Imagine, A high level bank official. His Wife and kids, came 6 months later, he had to Liquidate most assets in Nigeria to make it all possible because things were difficult on his end. Then came the transition period.. the Wife had to go back to school also, for the next 5-6 years, they were restructuring their lives. they suffered unnecessarily, I would laugh on days when the Wife was crying because I can distinctly hear her on the phone when her husband was telling her to wait and she said "NO". Her nightmare is that he will marry a white woman and never return. whenever I have the pleasure of teasing her, i always do... and she's proud of suffering with her man.. so i can maybe understand if you are like her.. but is it necessary.. NO!

MsGlobalwonder:
what I can infer from your submission: you are single and apparently don't know what it is to be married. We all learn daily, i'm learning too; please go learn what it means to be married.

I don't like to engage in a trade of words with women, simply because its like playing Table Tennis against a wall.. the wall will never tire or loose
That said, this is my point and my peace. Whether Single or Engaged or Married, My Rationale will remain the same, To provide the best for the Future of my Offspring, whilst giving them the necessary tools to compete in the ever changing global Market. It will not always be according to the norms of Society, but rest assured, my Family will look back at my sacrifices and be grateful. Concise and rational thinking is not limited to married couples.. or maybe I'm mistaken and you receive a new brain upon matrimony. what it means to be married to me, is the understanding that you both do your absolute best to create the best OPPORTUNITY for your forthcoming generation. but if you choose to not have kids, then chucks, you can enjoy by your standards.

If you must infer again.. infer that I am a MAN! and I will always want whats best for my family at the End of the day.

Aniomaman81:
I totally agree with the both of you and I'm currently in the same boat anyways.

If my wife wants to cheat, she can go right ahead and do that, but it won't stop me from ensuring I get the best for my daughter by taking up expat opportunities as they arise; Hardship locations pay better and it does translate to a better life for your family, so I don't get what some people are saying on here. I would rather be out here working, than taking positions which would not be able to cater wholly for my family in Nigeria, just in the name of 'not missing' those moments.

what will you truly be missing in todays day in Age, you'll skype your daughter as much as she wants, she can tell you all about everything. And when it comes to the cheating, Ignorance is Bliss. Don't ask Don't tell.... is the motto in the Army. Life goes on. I wonder O, if WW3 breaks out now..... Nigerian women won't allow their men to go an defend them because they might get Hot at night.
Simple Minds ... Just Can't DEAL.

MsGlobalwonder:
he doesn't av to "get" a good job, he can create good jobs. Having a family is a job on it's own and decisions made shd be in the interest of the family. I personally cannot live single while married, I just can't. Everything has to be worked around that fact. If someone has to relocate, we do it together with proper planning.

dare i say it... if an Opportunity arises for me to be in a better position and it meant, my wife and kids staying without me... and she refuses.. I might start seeing that wife as an enemy of progress.. and that might very well lead to the end of that relationship.... options are, take my children to my mother and file for divorce and go. If it was for my wife, i would gladly support her too. Marriage is about looking for the best interest of the family and if that means one going first, then thats what it will take.

Reason with your brains and not your emotions.

abbey621:
I've been living in Atlanta since 2010 so spare me the lecture! My father came to the USA in the 1980s living behind my mom and 2 children. Before he left 9ja, we were all living in a face me and face you house struggling to survive, he just lost his job with NEPA and things were very difficult, imagine what would have happened if he had refused to use his Oluwole visa and chose to stay back in Nigeria? Yes, he suffered a great deal abroad including marrying an obese woman just to get his papers but it all worked out in the end. It took 6 to 7 years for him to fully get himself and in the 10th year he brought my mom to the USA. Looking at their net worth today, I would say they are valued at over 1/2 a billion naira collectively and all was through hard work. My brother and I had to live without both parents for some time but in the end, we are all successful living life to the fullest. What would have happened if dad chose comfort instead of hustling? Be careful how you to talk to people on the internet, some people have been through more than you can ever imagine!

No to talk of the amount of Relatives that got to have a better life through your father.

HaneefahRN:
It is pathetic really. I can't allow such for my husband o, if we can't go together then he is nt going anywhere. I can't allow someone to turn me to semi- married at a young age.
There is one of my aunt whose husband travelled over 11yrs ago when their 2nd born was still a baby, the girl is 13 nw, and she has never met her dad other than phone calls. Certainly a man will not stay tht long wtout sex, that's if he has nt married yet, he keeps delaying his wife's coming to join him, and refuses to come home, claiming he can't afford to while not allowing tht beautiful woman go on wt her life wt someone else. Something with one of our neighbours, the man left Nigeria over 20yrs ago and never came back to check on his wife and children not even when the children were getting married other than phone calls once in a while. One of my friend's husband also travelled out soon after their marriage, this is the 4th yr since she last saw him, I pray he comes back soon sha and doesn't waste her time. What sort of life is tht abeg?

The Things Women have held man back from... sad thing is you have no Idea what those men are facing, where they are. There are those that went to the US, who have no status, they live on the fringes, saving to come back home, and once they leave to come back home, knowing fully well they can never go back there again, because they've been staying there for that 10-15-20 years an illegal, working the lowest of the lowest of Jobs, and still providing for the same people that are back home. If you live your life according to the demands of a woman, you will move 20 steps forwards, 20 days of the month, and 10 steps back.. that 5 days of the month... the remaining 5 days, she won't like you.

Randyhot:
am not saying no hustle, but when at the detriment of your family, its just a bad idea, a humble family life is worth fighting for, even more than silver and gold, no kid wants to be denied a fatherly affection, especialy the male kids.

all Valid points, But how much of your childhood, Ages 2-6 do you remember. a vast number of the population will not be able to tell you, their daycare friends, kindergarten friends, even Nursery school friends, some won't even remember their friends, up till Primary 4. So what are you saying?, that is clearly the time you can really sacrifice and make up for after, As a father. plus we are from a culture where the community raises the children and it isn't just the responsibility of the parents alone.Plus the Dynamics of the family is constantly changing with the times. Male Kids need their mothers more in that age 2-8. You might not really get that, seeing as its a Patriarchal vs Matriarchal society. But I will accept, the importance of the Father all throughout the life of the children is unrivaled, cept only by that of the mother.

Billygee2u:
you are being logical.
have you traveled to abroad before?
my humble advice to you and others in Africa who are nursing the idea to leave leave your wives to go abroad for greener pasture is ,better forget the idea and use the money to engage in one legitimate business and God who says he that findeth a wife findeth good thing and obtain favor from the Lord,will surely bless your hustle.
God made them to be one and not two by separation.
what God join together,let no one put asunder.

You're being Illogical, Is this whole scenario possible if say, father works in Abuja and comes home to lagos, Once every 3 months for the weekend? I find that people aren't always truthful, especially in wanting others to achieve as much if not much more than they have. Why would anyone feel the need to discourage others from traveling abroad?, I sincerely hate it when people do that. I'll paint a scenario for you. Lets say you graduate with a Masters in Engineering from a reputable Nigerian University. it took all of the family resources to help you through, you spend the first year of your graduation going to NYSC, serving the country that doesn't provide you with any welfare state. You by all economical translation of the word "waste one year" in service. Only to realize that you've got three brother behind you, and one of them just gained admission, and your parents are looking to you to start "helping" your brothers, while they're simultaneously expecting marriage at the same time. You have a fiance from Univ, she's stuck with you through it all and you've told her, you'll marry her. Your families come together and you do a small marriage ceremony. she concieves... now you have, more responsibilities baring down your throat. Luck smiles at you, you come across an engineering job in Kuwait, you apply. they accept you, they tell you your average pay for an Electrical Engineer is KWD 8226 annually, which is about 5.4Million Naira....

Please decide now, if you won't leave your wife and unborn baby ?

abbey621:
When people get married, they are taking an oath for better or worse. In the struggle for survival, life sometimes forces you to make a decision such as parting with your family for sometime just to make a better way, would such a person choose to watch things get progressively worse or sacrifice now in order not to regret later. Of course life isn't perfect, sh*t happens and plans don't work out but not trying at all is the biggest mistake one can make. For men who are afraid that if they left their wife alone for sometime she would cheat or become frustrated, I say to such men would such a woman not cheat or become frustrated if you couldn't afford to take care of her needs or you became inept? For women claiming the kids would be deprived of their father's love, I say to them would it not be worse watching the kids go through life not able to provide for their basic amenities? This world is a jungle, many of us must move out of our comfort zone in other to provide for those we love. Eat or be eaten!

Seconded... Great minds are calculative and predictive... they plan for future event and take minor sacrifices to avoid considerable losses. OP is not a progressively thinking individual... culturally, we see that all the time, even when your father is around, everyman who visits your place and is related closely to your dad is "your Daddy".... I grew up in that family described by OP and I have nothing but RESPECT for my Father and Admiration for my mother. In the course of your life, as a man, wherever life takes you to provide a better FUTURE for your children, you go. Animals do it for their offsprings, Birds do it for theirs. The sad truth is that the same kids you stay with will eventually resent you for not giving them a better chance. I praise all Fathers who have gone far and wide in trying their best at creating a better future for their family. OP aren't there successful families whose wives cheat with the husband being present in Nigeria. In a country where there are more hotels than Churches and Mosques, I'm very sure the people making use of them aren't just single, lonely, married women.

OP just so we are clear here, whenever the opportunity arises for you to go out of your country for a better Job, that will automatically transition to a better life for you and your family, Please do not take it. and tell your wife too.. you won't take it... if she is half a virtuous woman.. she will beg you to take it.

@Randyhot

myfantasies:
Romeo nd juliet indeed

Dat is just a fiction, dats wat dey want all of u believe, u can't kill my blood nd expect me to still love you, u just ended up causing me pain and i will live with it for the rest of my life

U said wat i quote is not true love?

Den i guess urs is IF U CHEAT ND DON'T GET CAUGHT IT SHOWS U TRUELY LOVE UR WOMAN

My guy leave fiction alone nd face reality, those dat TRUELY love someone will not want to hurt dem

Cheating on her does not mean I DO NOT LOVE HER EITHER.
Its possible to hurt someone you love, simply put.


I can take examples from All around.. Does Bill Clinton Love Hilary Clinton
Your definition of love only covers when things are rosey, thereby You cannot love people who are imperfect.
but since we're all Imperfect in one way or another... I'm having a hard time accepting you, woman!

shegxi:
ur topic shld have bn y some men cheat. whether u want to accept it or nt, it is nt all men dat cheat and dat is fact.

you're right, but we live in a demographic society where the minority are marginalized.
my statement is based on the preconception that a vast majority of men do it.

myfantasies:
Well u r not assuming

U know exactly what i meant

I have already spilled it, nd it wasn't difficult for you to understand

since we aren't getting any younger.... lets agree you said YES
and your reason is that
If u love someone, u don't want to see dem hurt

You don't want to do anything dat will make dem feel betrayed

That is a womans perspective of Love... but that is not truly LOVE

Lets take the greatest Love story for example Romeo and Juliet
Romeo killed Juliets cousin .... and she still LOVED him, enough to die.

by your statement there, ROmeo didn't love Juliet.

There are other examples.. and that does not mean your point isn't valid either.