₦airaland Forum

Odunayaw:
I disagree, there was the handwriting on the wall but the Junta refused to maintain a strong army so as to protect regimes.

Realistically, no future threat assessment with the countries you listed ever warrants an s-300. We need a serious air defence network & not toys here & there

An I totally disagree with you.

It's like you guys just want to argue unnecessarily. I never said we should by S400 missile but we can get class of medium range SAM.

The dude asked if we had defense capabilities. Air defense capabilities is broad ; it's either the offensive or defensive aspect of which we lack both capabilities regardless of neighbouring countries or futuristic threats. Unless you want to be over patriotic.

Probably you guys in the western-southern part of Nigeria has enjoyed peace for such a donkey years. And for those who are ranting war don't just happen like that, I wouldn't be surprised. Nigerians would never learn from her past mistake

Odunayaw:
You forget a frigate's SAM & Radars is still part of an AD network

Yeye......


Which frigate...

Meanwhile COIN in central north

iblawi:
Let's be sincere with ourselves. Sghould Nigeria buy ADS now now instead of dealing with several other basic need?

Other military we admire have solve their basic military nneds before going for expensive military ADS.

Africa is just not ripe for S-300 or S-400.

No one is saying we shouldn't go for our several basic needs, that's a must.

Has we plan our basic needs we have to plan for future strategic threats also, that's basic thinking of defence.

barineh:
We can all agree our Air defense systems needs upgrading but the S300/s400 is an overkill based on our current threats which is primarily from land based forces/ insurgents . Besides why spend billion on air defense when the rest of our military is a joke. I'd rather we buy long range interceptors for the Air Force than spend billions on S400/300. We are not Egypt we don't have Sponsors like the Saudi's or The US.

I quite agree with you.

An not saying we buy a s-300/400 air defense system, we can get get something close to it.

But you guys are forgetting our National security assets like oil installation, military Base etc.

Getting a capable defense system is more strategic than getting submarines, frigates etc.

iblawi:
Military equipment are bought base on future assessment or threats. Tell us based on your future assessment/threat who Nigeria might likely need this for?

Am sure you won't mention any world power because it makes little or no difference.

You've not bought frigates or submarines you're looking for long range air defence systems worth billions of dollars. What a misplaced priority.

So our future threats assessment with Chad, Cameroon does not warrant us to have shot or long range missile system. 10 years no body ever thought Nigeria will be in the current Boko haram mess. Even when in the 80's we fought the Mohammed Marwa "Maitatsine", we never learnt.

Xbee007:
Blowpipe and Rowland are in use by them after undergoing numerous upgrades.

The one currently field by Nigeria is obsolete and most other operators have retired theirs for better systems.

Nigeria need to be proactive for once. We shouldn't wait till disaster strikes before we begin running helter-skelter.

Roland 1 entered service with the French Army in 1977, Roland 2 in 1981 and Roland 3 in 1988. Roland has been in service in France, Argentina, Brazil, Nigeria, Qatar, Spain and Venezuela. Over 650 systems and over 25,000 missiles have been ordered. French Army systems are mounted on vehicles based on the AMX-30 main battle tank.

Roland was in service with the German army, air force and navy. In February 2003 the Bundeswehr announced that the system would be phased out. France upgraded some of its system in 2010 and now they have been phased out barely less than 10 years.

I don't know if the British military operated Rowland system but for the British Blowpipes, they have been phased out and replaced by Starstreak Manpads.

iblawi:
You are still wrong bro, blowpipe and rowland are still in active service in French and British Army.

Where you have a problem is comparing a long range air defence system like S-300 & S-400 with a short range air defense system like Rowland and Blowpipe available in Nigeria.

Look around sub sahara Africa and tell me any army with long range or even medium range air defense system. Even south Africa haven't integrated the Land based umkomto missile in the army yet (which is also short range) probably because of funds.

Don't compare Egypt with Nigeria because they have lot of enemies around them or Algeria that is scarred of NATO invasion.

Dude you are totally outdated.

Blowpipe.........

The blowpipe during it days was a complete disaster during the Falkland war. Even blowpipe with the NA as been retired talk less of a british military. I can only verge for the effectiveness of the Russian SA-7 Grail manpads.

Because you don't have any military in the sub sahara with long range missile doesn't justify Nigeria not purchasing a long range missile system I it's class. That's a typical Nigerian thinking, we never learn.

Henry240:
I'm at loss here, but how are you actually correct?

Lost......


The Nigeria Army acquired 16 Roland 2 systems mounted on the AMX-30R chassis and till date only few are functioning/serviceable.

These was a missile system developed in the late 70's. France carried upgrades on its own Rowland air defense system, that is what we should have done. I'll rather go for new platforms than carry out upgrades on those system.

Now talking about air defense systems or capabilities his a broad question; When you say missile system or capability ? do you mean offensive or defensive, I believe you mean defensive, and i am sure you are talking about anti aircraft Surface to air missiles(SAM). SAM’s are either man portable or mounted (vehicle mounted, ship mounted or stand alone).

Now for Nigeria man portable surface to air missiles we have the blowpipe; which was developed by the British in the 60’s, it saw a lot of action during the Falklands War during the early 80’s where it failed badly, The official report stated that, of the 95 missiles fired by the British, only 9 managed to destroy their targets and all of these were slow flying planes and helicopters. Most nations have upgraded their systems to more modern Stinger missiles and SA-25 etc.. And not forgetting we do have Russian SA-7 Grail.

For the fixed mounted SAM weapon system the NA Rowland system. This missile is large and us usually mounted on a vehicle like the AMX-30 chassis. The mobile SAM missile system was credited for one Harrier kill during the Falklands war and It is believed that an Iraqi Roland missile succeeded in shooting down an American A-10 Thunderbolt II at the beginning of the Iraq War, during the battle of Baghdad.

So one answer is Yes Nigeria has a obsolete SAM missile system, but is it effective? the battle readiness of this systems haven't been tested yet in real conflict, but it should be effective against some smaller less advanced and less experienced countries like Ghana, or Kenya . But against countries like Egypt, Algeria, dont want ti mention names now... Against countries like United States, France & etc we stand NO chance.

Air defense capabilities & effectiveness depends on the country we are in battle with.

#NA

For The First Time since 1967s, Egypt’s military starts to develop the Air Bases located in #Sinai

As Egypt Completed the development work in Malez Airforce base, Sinai to accommodate Squads of F-16 Block52 Jets / Apaches / UAVs /AWACS in it to participate in the ongoing war on terrorism.

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#EGYPTIAN NAVY

The #Egyptian Navy has issued an international tender to obtain 4 new frigates, negotiations still ongoing with both Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (The negotiations expected to be on MKS-180 Frigates) .

Controversy As Post-Eid-el-Fitri Bomb Blast ‘Kills 25, Injures More Than 50’ In Borno


But while security agencies believed the blast was by Boko Haram members, a local source, who asked not to be named, told SaharaReporters that the military artillery gun wreaked more havoc than the blast itself. “There was bomb explosion in Shuwari village, not far from Damboa town on Saturday night,” he said. “The military responded by firing artillery gun towards the direction and many civilians were hit.”


Read more; http://saharareporters.com/2018/06/17/controversy-post-eid-el-fitri-bomb-blast-%E2%80%98kills-25-injures-more-50%E2%80%99-borno

iblawi:
The 1st, 3rd and 4th pic are same system.

The second pic is what I can't claim but the guy already proved the reply you gave was wrong.

The reply I gave was not wrong, tbe Rowland Air Defence system is obsolete.

We don't have an air defense system or capability.

abiodunalasa:
Don't worry sir we will get there. Just a matter of time, money and good leadership

I agree with you.....

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On Friday 15th June 2018, President Muhamadu Buhari observed Eid prayers at Mambilla Barrack’s parade ground, Asokoro District Abuja:

abiodunalasa:
Nigerian Air Defense Assets.

Roland short range tactical air defense system.

SA-7 Growler.

Blowpipe surface to air missile.

Strela 2 Surface to air missile.

Tin Shield air defense radar system.

ZSU-23 self propelled anti aircraft artillery gun.

ATR-72 Radar plane.

Gulma Tactica UAV.

CH-3 armed drones.

NIGCOMSAT-2 remote sensing satellite

These are together with the ongoing new Air Defense Techs being constructed.

All these wouldn't protect our air defense in the eventuality of a real war, in a modern day that we are !!!

abiodunalasa:
You say weyting ?
Aint you aware all the upgrading and construction on going ?

Bros no go downgrade our Air Defense Sys ooo

What upgrading & construction are you talking about
Give us facts.

The 2nd and 3rd pictures are not NA

ACTING GENERAL OFFICER COMMANDING 7 DIVISION BRIGADIER GENERAL ABDULMALIK BULAMA BIU CELEBRATES EID EL-FITR WITH WOUNDED IN ACTION SOLDIERS AT 7 DIVISION MEDICAL SERVICES AND HOSPITAL MAIMALARI MILITARY CANTONMENT MAIDUGURI

Henry240:
Yes, Nigeria fields the Rowland Air Defence System and multiple man pads of Czech origin.

Obsolete

#COIN

Xbee007:
Please, does Nigeria field any system with air defence capability?

Nop

#EA

nemesis8u:

Sexy

abiodunalasa:
Who are those in 1st picture

NA regiments during an exercise in Jaji..

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Algerian Navy. Submarine Algerian spotted 636 class Kilo in test. Russia. 11/06/2018 #AlgerianNavy .

PRESS RELEASE

OPERATION LAFIYA DOLE: EMIR OF GWOZA PAYS SALLAH VISIT TO TROOPS

1. The Emir of Gwoza His Royal Highness Mohammadu Idrisa Temta led members of Gwoza Emirate Council to pay Sallah visit to troops of 26 Task Force Brigade on Saturday 16 June 2018 in Gwoza Borno State.

2. He thanked the Commander for maintaining the peace in Gwoza Local Government and assured of his peoples support in the fight against insurgency.

3. Earlier, the Commander Brigadier General Dahiru commended the Royal father for the Sallah visit.

4. Similarly, in the spirit of Eid El-Fitr, the Acting General Officer Commanding 7 Division Brigadier General Abdulmalik Buluma Biu paid Sallah homage to the Shehu of Borno, His Royal Highness Alhaji Dr Abubakar Ibn Umar Garbai El Kanemi of Borno in his palace in Maiduguri.

5. You are please requested to disseminate this information to the general public through your reputable medium.

6. Thank you for your kind cooperation.

TEXAS CHUKWU
Brigadier General
Director Army Public Relations

PRESS RELEASE

COAS FLAGS OFF OPERATION LAST HOLD IN BORNO

1. The Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Lieutenant General Tukur Yusufu Buratai on Thursday 14 June 2018, flagged off Operation LAST HOLD in Monguno Borno State to officially mark the commencement of the operation.

2. The Chief of Army Staff who was represented by the Chief of Training and Operations (Army) Major General David Ahmadu also commission the office complex of the Headquarters Operation LAST HOLD at the Kinasara Barracks Monguno where he presented the Operation LAST HOLD flag to the Commander Major General Abbas Dikko.

3. Major General Ahmadu proceeded to Gudunbali in company of the Theatre Commander Operation Lafiya Dole Major General Rogers Nicholas, where they physically conducted the symbolic traditional house sweeping and farm clearing as part of the Civil - Military aspect of Operation LAST HOLD and to practically demonstrate the humanitarian posture of the operation.

4. Speaking during the event, he stated that, the farm clearing symbolises the readiness to commence the farming season and enjoined the returning Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) to resume their farming occupation as they settle down in their communities.

5. Speaking to the first batch of Internally Displaced persons (IDPs) from Guzamala Local Government Area who had just returned to their ancestral home in Gudunbali. The Theatre Commander described the move as the first step towards returning the Internally Displaced Persons to their communities

6. . He appealed to all Humanitarian Agencies in the North East to support the program to assist the Internally Displaced Persons, restore their occupations and pick up their lives again.
He assured all of adequate security for the returnee as they settle down.

7. The Commander Operation LAST HOLD Major General Abba Dikko, the Chief of Civil - Military Affairs (Army) Major General Nuhu Angbazo, the General Officer Commanding 8 Task Force Division, Major General Stevenson Olabanji and other senior officers witnessed the events.

8. You are requested to please disseminate this information to the general public through your reputable medium.

9. Thank you for your kind cooperation.

TEXAS CHUKWU
Brigadier General
Director Army Public Relations