₦airaland Forum

PHijo:
A lot of Igbos don't speak Igbo. They speak English and Yoruba or Hausa. Does that make them less Igbo?

You communicating with English language does that make you English?

Some Ijaws speak Ibibio, Ogoni, Igbo, Urohobo or Yoruba due to the areas they trade in.

You didn't understand my write up

PHijo:
Pray for the Igbos in Colombia, Ecuador,Venezuela etc. We don't have indigenous Igbo in Opobo.

Neither Yoruba or Ijaw are claiming Brazil as their land because some people there still practice elements of their culture.

You cultural thieves that have no business with Ijawland except for the mistake of the defunct eastern region would not allow people rest.

I have never seen any group people as shameless and as criminally minded as you Igbo!

Today more than 50 percent of Abia and Imo the Igbo occupy used to be Ijaw and Ibibio communities. Yet Igbo are not satisfied. They are still trying to push out the indigenous peoples from their homeland.

This time 69/70 will be a joke because God will not spare you guys this time.

Talking about 1970
are you proud of the Nigeria you massacred igbos for.

If Imo and Abia is ijaw land that means igbos have no land anywhere then
God created a population of more than 40 million people and hang them in the air because na ijaw land remain. Hmnm na true

NB :the yorubas that are indigenous to Brazil are now Brazilians. That's their new land

Hmnm
This kind physically challenged man don enjoy pass pretty mike with his six pregnant girlfriends

Elvictor:
have you been to Opobo?

No

Elvictor:
Bonny is a trade centre in Rivers State, because we don't make noise with it doesn't mean that Bonny isn't a very lively and commercial centre.
a girl who speak Igbo told you she is from Opopo and you agreed even when you haven't been to Opopo before, my dad knows how to speak Igbo does that make him an Igboman while I can't speak Igbo?

The opobo girl has no other native language apart from igbo unlike your dad who has ijaw as a native language and still understands igbo.
Those two cases are different

Elvictor:
Igbo is a major tribe and you know Igbos came in contacts with SS minorities before the British came, how do you expect Opobo people to communicate with the Igbos when they were middlemen for the Portuguese?

But that shouldn't make them to jettison their own language

PHijo:
Jumbo jumbogha otherwise known as Jaja was an Ibani chief from Bonny Island. Opobo was founded by war canoe houses that left Bonny after a disagreement. King Jaja stepped into Opobo as a Bonny chief and became an Opobo king.

Any other fantasy you try to promote is a fantasy!

The established fact is that people from Bonny kingdom established Opobo kingdom and both kingdoms are Ibani.

God bless the Amayanabo of Bonny!
God bless the Amayanabo of Opobo!

God bless Grand Bonny Kingdom!
God bless Opobo Kingdom!

God bless the Ijaw nation!!
God bless Africa!!!

God should also bless the indigenous igbos in opobo

Nobody sprang up from the ground. Every tribe migrated from one way or the other and any uninhabited land the sole of your feet shall tread that shall ye take

Elvictor:
I laugh, tell me where Igbo people didn't move to before or after the civil war?

So you mean to tell me that because igbos migrate alot that is why they speak igbo in opobo
So anywhere igbos move they force their language on the indigenes. Hmnm

Elvictor:
I only cleared your argument on the ground you claimed he married his wife under the Igbo culture, I didn't say Jaja isn't an Igboman

We can argue till tomorrow but let us agree that as of now Jaja descendants are indigenes of opobo that the Ijaws that are claiming the land cannot drive them away.
Every indigene every where owns the land.
Jaja people are igbos and have access to the sea there we have igbo speaking tribe that have access to the sea.

Elvictor:
and that doesn't mean the land of Opobo belongs to Igbo people because their son was indoctrinated into the Ibani culture and crowned king, how do you know those are his descendants because Jaja or Jubo was exiled and he never returned alive.

I know they are his descendants because they speak igbo and his family and relatives was not taken away with him

Elvictor:
read it again you will discover that Jaja simply named the city state after a king that reigned before him as tribute.

If there was a king before him, why then is he recognized as the founder
So you mean the king that ruled before him doesn't have children or family for him to hand over the kingship to a "migrant"

Elvictor:
do you know Jaja was indoctrinated into the Ibani tribe? Jaja was seen as Okrika man.
Jaja didn't conquer anybody but he was accepted and ordained as a family member, he rose in ranks because of who he is.

I know but that doesn't remove the igboness in him.
His descendants speak igbo till date and bear igbo names

Elvictor:
who told you Jaja married her as Igboman?

But is Jaja not an Igbo man whose descendants speak igbo till date?

Elvictor:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opobo

Jubo isn't the originator of Opobo but he named the kingdom and gave it a widespread fame, read the link.

Originator means somebody that creates or found something.
From your link it is stated that Jaja founded opobo

Elvictor:
you don't understand Okrika people culture, a woman in Okrika is recognize as head of family if you don't know

That law should only happen if the marriage is between two okrika people and not when an okrika woman marries a different tribe that don't agree with such

Elvictor:
he neither displace anybody, Jaja was simply honoured by Bonny people.

Is it the bonny people that gave him the land or he just left on his own after their quarrels to occupy and conquer the unoccupied land space

Opobo people have no other home than opobo land and the are indigenes as recognized by the UN after the second war. No more conquest of lands. Status quo should be maintained.

Elvictor:
bro lets educate him, Igbos are still our friends. a lot of them dont know the relationship between us started way back before British invade Nigeria

We will always be friends.
The war dealt a lot of blow to the igbos and they lost their voice and lands and even some igbos are rejecting being called igbos

Elvictor:
there is nothing like indigenous, they are all immigrants, and mind you Jaja married a Bonny woman which means he created the settlements with mainly Okrika people.
Okrika people gave women hereditary rite which means a woman is equal to man in family, the naming of the community after Jaja does not mean that he is the one who founded the village and does not remove the village from being Okrika people land.

Its recognized that Jaja founded opobo
Womens rights are respected but cannot override the man.
You can't call them settlers because they didn't displace anybody to inhabit the land.

PHijo:
There are no indigenous Igbos in Opobo. There are only Igbo citizens of Nigeria living across the length and breathe of Nigeria.

That Azikiwe and Ojukwu spent time in Zungeru doesn't make Zungeru Igboland.

This the reason Northerners don't waste time drawing their daggers against you.

How can you say there are no indigenous Igbos when it's recognized that Jaja founded opobo kingdom.
Only people without academic superior argument will be daggers drawn when they can't win you.
Given the norths poor academic ability they will always be at daggers drawn with anybody

Elvictor:
Jaja satisfied none of that, he neither conquer or was he the first to inhabit Opobo.

if he wasn't the first
So who did he displace to take charge

Elvictor:
you see your life?
from Imo he came to Bonny, he was welcomed and honoured then he moved to the river part which is now named after him.
every Igbos know that Opobo isn't their land but is named after their son because of his dexterity in business.

How do people own lands

Is it not either by being the first to inhabit it or by conquest.
Jajas has satisfied those conditions

Elvictor:
visit Opobo and see Bonny also, you will settle all your questions.

Jajas root is igboland from Igboland to bonny Island and from there to Opobo

Elvictor:
ofcourse, Jaja lineage exist there.

Thank you
That is just what I want to know because the indigenous igbos there have access to the sea

PHijo:
Ibani

There are indigenous igbos in majority in opobo

Elvictor:
but you have never been to Opobo?

Yes
But I have met its people

Elvictor:
you have forgotten that Opobo is a home for Igbos too because of Jaja, don't go about saying this nonsense that Opobo is Igboland before you people will start crying and wailing that SS minorities hate you people when they refuse to sell lands to you guys.

You know I said earlier that I don't want to generate any bad blood through argument. Let's just rest and leave it.

NB:if you say that opobo is home to igbo too because of Jaja.
That means we have indigenous igbos there

Elvictor:
have you been to Opobo? who told you native language of Opobo people is Igbo?

I have dated a girl from there
My wife grandmother is from there

Elvictor:
where did Jaja came from? and mind you his name isn't Jaja

Imo State

Elvictor:
Opobo isn't a tribe, is named after Jaja. Opobo is party of Bonny which is Okirika, make ona nodey stress ona sef

Their native language is is igbo therefore they are igbos
King Jaja of opobo left bony Island to find his own kingdom of opobo

So opobo cannot be part of bonny Island

Elvictor:
okrika people are now Igbo people?

very soon you will say Bonny is Igboland, he is telling you the truth that the Igbo communities in SS doesn't have seaport, why arguing?

That is why I don't want to start arguing.
What is the native language of opobo people

PHijo:
I didn't say Wike is not Igbo, Wike said he isn't. Wike doesn't come from a community with access to the sea.

Even if you include people like Wike in your Igbo world it still wouldn't give you access to sea ports.

What of opobo

PHijo:
Igboland does not have access to the sea

The igbos in the riverine that you people have told that are no longer igbos like Wike.
I just don't want those arguments with a neighbor because I don't want bad blood argument