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oyatz:
Who determines the majority and what will hurt them?

The constition of Nigeria regulate the process of becoming a President in Nigeria.

The constitution of APC regulate the process of becoming APC presidential candidate.

What regulate the process of becoming the candidate of 'united South'? How many 'United South' do we have and how can we differentiate the original from the fake?


How can the whole debate about the 2023 be reduced to Tinubu affairs?


Igbos should support Atiku and leave Tinubu alone to pursue his ambition.

There are only two possible outcomes

1) Tinubu is defeated:
Implications=> The Poltical Supremacy of the Hausa-Fulani hegemony will be reinforced

2) Tinubu wins:

Implications=> The myth that a southern presidential candidate can not defeat a Hausa-Fulani candidate will once again be bursted.

Nobody becomes a leader of a country by mistake. If it is part of Tinubu's destiny to become the president, he will become the president and if it is not, he won't.

Psalm 62:11 'Once has God spoken, twice have i heard that power belongs to God'

The Bible also said that whatever we agree on earth is agreed in heaven
Why gamble with a trial that will make hausas fulani stronger if you fail
We are currently feeling what they can dish out by way of killings, hunger and insecurity all over and you still have the mind to gamble with what can give them a glimpse of increase in power. Hmnm, I tire oooo

Nobody is determining anything for the south for now until there is southern unity which I am advocating in order to be able to defeat the north
We just need to liberate the south or we perish together.
Our lands and lives will not be safe with the fulanis
I rest my case let's just watch till then but don't change the narrative to start blaming igbos when your gamble fails

Grayoso:
Kindly shut your revisionist, tribalistic and dishonest mouth. Why are you Igbos so fond of revising history, even current history most of us are living through, so dishonestly?

https://hive.blog/nepotism/@abusaheed/nepotism-favouritism-and-tribalism

I still insist that all that you wrote there are not true if not it would have been all over the news media like the one you people were accusing her that she bought expensive bullet proof car.
Remember that you people were also accusing Jonathan that $20b got missen and it is also all over your news media which anybody can pull out any day to buttress a point.
But we know they are all lies because no prosecution till date

[quote author=Ayomarcel post=90348653]Not right now. [/quot5e]
Its so unfortunate my brother

Yebosola:
How do u know he hasn't advocated for Igbo presidency? Has he himself told anyone he is contesting? Give me source, y this unnecessary bickering? We are in June 2020 for crying out loud, Nigerian youths are so docile, leave politicians for their permutations.

OK ooo
I still believe that is the best bet for the south

Osaze007:
Well Yorubas will continue controlling Lagos and SW as the most populous ethnic group and will use their political might to destroy any ethnic group that attempts to interfere In it’s politics / compete with the local Yoruba lagosians and Damn all the consequences

I thought you people are educated and sophisticated, if not for hatred why do you want to fight a man that follows the constitution and wins a free and fair elections in your place. Is that how they behave in the first world countries that Nigerians have been winning elections. Does it mean that Nigerians are now controlling America and London because they won elections?
I thought tinubus campaign slogan during fashola was "changing Lagos from a third world to a first world"
Remember you people forced igbos to be with you.
We didn't beg to be with you, its you people that are using all means possible especially media and including the use of force to make us stay with you

But I still think that separation is the best for all of us if u people will agree because our fathers fought each other.
Me and you are still disagreeing, no common grounds
My children and your children will continue and the vicious circle continues to hamper development

oyatz:
This bros is funny sha!


We should stop campaigning for ourselves and start campaigning for you?

I can't just stopping at this suggestion sir.


Well let me explain certain things for you sir,

The vehicle for seeking and getting the presidency or any post in Nigeria is the political parties and NOT southern unity or any regional unity.
If all the politicians in the South disregard their political parties' choices and back one southern unity candidate, they will still lose.

It is only the political parties that can help you with massive mobilization and get substanstial votes accross all tribes and religions in about 24 States.




#I will strongly advice Tinubu and other candidate to forge ahead and run for the presidency in 2023 damning all consequeces.


In the pursuit of one's goals, it is better to take a decision and fail than not taking any decision


All great heroes and inventors are those who damn all consequences and pursue their dreams to logical conclusions.

There are some goals that are not OK to pursue if it hurts the larger majority
Tinubu should not pursue it because the entire South will loose out. You people have had ur turn so spoiling other peoples turn because of greed will leave a lasting hurt that will haunt the whole south
I am telling you the truth.
I still wonder why why equity and fairness is always missen in any Yoruba persons write up these days
During Abacha all yorubas were talking of equity, justice and fairness
But today during PMB they are always talking about how they can grab all while writing against justice and fairness

Osaze007:
Well I’m not yoruba so I can’t speak for them
But I’m sure your entering Lagos and oyo was meant to be “payback” for the roles Yorubas played in civil war where you won’t try that with Hausa shows there’s nothing like southern unity

So because Yorubas fought to keep igbos igbos will punish them and dabble into their politics something they won’t do with Hausas that even did worse to them
Abeg

Your people hate yorubas so bad
Stella Oduah sacking Yorubas replacing them with igbos
Will Buhari ever sack kanuri and replace with Fulani ? That’s the end of North solidarity
And that’s what happened in south

So I genuinely pray tinubu clinches the Ticket & wins convincingly

The igbos are never a friend to yorubas period

We only contest where we have population in Lagos and in a free and fair elections we should win. We were forced to spread into Yoruba and hausa lands because of the Civil War and the neglect of our region by checkmating how far it can be developed.
Why are you now blaming us for what you wasted our blood just to force us to be with you.

You mean that Yoruba that controls the press will keep quiet if Stella Odua actually sacked Yoruba and replace with igbo. Hmnm
You have forgotten that civil service operate with rules.
She can only employ more igbos than yoruba but not sack
You say igbos hate yorubas but you are yet to give me one example

But I still wonder why you people are bent on still sharing the same country with the igbos who have intentions of going but you people are stiffly against it but the same you turn around and say we hate you.
I have never seen where somebody will be willing to die just to keep its purported enemies as same country man. I am yet unravel this kind of paradox with yorubas
Let's watch and see how yorubas will win without the other south supporting

Osaze007:
Point is we saw igbos hated Yorubas under Jonathan
Do you see how Buhari is carrying the entire north along ?
Gej didn’t carry Yorubas along
Also remember Igbo agenda to enter Lagos and oyo politics
You igbos clearly hated Yorubas and used gej as a platform to display your hate

Dey now sacked you from power your crying southern unity lol
Abeg southern unity led by Yorubas eg obj remains the best option not the Igbo led discriminatory one

As for Lagos I don’t know why your being delusional

Yorubas didn’t fight for it
They got a state created and it was returned after abuja was created to Yorubas 74% of Lagos igr is still from Yorubas through payee tax

Awo fought for Lagos to be part of SW
So entertering Lagos and Oyo politics is our crime
But how is that a crime in a nigeria u people forced us to remain part of as one nigeria
You say igbos hated you through Jonathan, can you provide evidence or still just the normal Yoruba propaganda
If you don't want southern unity I don't have problems with that, but just remember that no southerner can be president without that unity in this etno religious nigeria

Hausas occupied most positions and not igbos as I displayed earlier to you
Yorubas just left power to Jonathan and you complaining that he did not carry you people along. This is tinubus narrative and plan that was why he worked against a Yoruba candidate from becoming the speaker. He worked for tambuwal, so why are you not blaming tinubu for that

oyatz:
Bros, politics don't work the ways you are suggesting sir.

Whatever happened to Ambode was an APC affairs. All over the world, political parties decide who can represent them best in an election.

E.g The PDP decideded not to re-present Gov Mbadinuju of Anambra State for the 2003 election and substituted him for Dr Chris Ngige.

Tinubu is the leader of APC, not necessarily the leader of the Yorubas.
Tinubu can work for APC delegates to back a candidate at the APC presidential primaries.

Any candidate from Igboland that want people to support his aspiration will first contest for the Presidential ticket. You cannot sit in your house and say unless Tinubu advocate for you, you won't contest.

Hmnm APC, as if u don't know the popular advert during election by sanwo olu "when baba calls I will pick" so you should understand who controls APC sDW
Yorubas are busy running igbos down by writing articles in their papers how igbos are not qualified to rule, how igbos have burnt bridges
How we can't reap where we did not sow.
The yorubas made sure igbos are denied all positions from presidency to legislature to judiciary.
Yorubas came out with the slogan of "you can't reap where you did not sow.
Yorubas supported the removal of Onnogen because they believed he is an Igbo apologist
They are also in the fore front of campaigning how igbos are not qualified to rule
Once we start fighting back - the north will be the beneficiary that's why we are lying low
Yorubas have an orientation of hating on igbos even at work places.
They are just behaving as if their main goal in life is to see the Igbo man fail
So how do we now convince the yorubas to support us to run for president because in today's nigeria where religion and tribe holds sway it is not possible for a Southerner to win without the support of the other Southerners

OBJ wasn't prepared for president, he was brought out from prison and made President so it not really about preparation because atiku comes to mind
You people should stop campaigning for yourselves and swing the pendulum towards campaigning for us for the purpose of Southern unity

Osaze007:
I’m not yoruba
But remember the Lagos is no mans land
Yoruba are ewedu people

Just go through this thread for the so called southern unity in page 1

https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan/54#89305158

If we continue dwelling in all these we will not move forward because we also have derogatory words said to igbos like : nyamiri, omo ibo nio oo, awon okoro, people that wakes up their parents with a side kick, potopoto region, Igbo, pigs, Biafra, erosion ravaged region, omo nna. Etc

Also read how Lagos was fought for to be included in the SW. It was not originally in the SW. Lagos was a special colony on its own before the yorubas fought for it to be part of SW.

After yorubas fought igbos in 1967 to remain with them to develop Lagos with the resources gotten from the old SE . We surrendered and trooped to Lagos and gbam! Lagos developed that was when yorubas started taunting igbos to go back to their region without giving them Biafra

They started yabbing and arresting our people hustling calling them gala sellers.
We gat to remind them how they got Lagos by calling it a no man's land.
No man's land is a reactionary statement to what was said to them by the yorubas. So it shouldn't pain them much or they should support and give us Biafra so that everybody go face him lane

Shattuck:
most times I see world leaders the way the talk and act you'll know they have something to offer, only in Nigeria will you see people who feel entitled to power, not because of their contribution to growth or knowledge.I don't think tinubu can lead Nigeria too, buhari has failed why can't we just put all this shameless men aside and just do what is right for once.

Those ones are properly arranged countries
Until we restructure, we remain a shithole

Osaze007:
See painment
Why Jonathan no remember southern unity
We’re igbos not attacking Yorubas under “southern” unity now the Yorubas sacked your hero and you acknowledged he’s the Yoruba leader and he has the right to contest and win convincingly since you igbos want to be saboteurs

So you think it will not pain me when you people are using greed to work against the south for a northern benefit and the country continues to remain a shithole. It hurts

Osaze007:
See painment
Why Jonathan no remember southern unity
We’re igbos not attacking Yorubas under “southern” unity now the Yorubas sacked your hero and you acknowledged he’s the Yoruba leader and he has the right to contest and win convincingly since you igbos want to be saboteurs

It was a Yoruba that just handed over power to the Jonathan government. Your people enjoyed for the 8 years maximally while others were minimal.
Isn't it fair for you people to pipe low while others take the maximal enjoyment? But because of your greedy nature you people started crying that Jonathan marginalized you even though it wasn't true.
Where and when did igbos attack you.
Tinubu worked against a SW speaker because he wants to remain as the only relevant political leader in the SW.
Jonathan was SS
VP was north
Senate president. North
Speaker north
Judiciary head north
Civil defense Yoruba
Army igbo
Navy north
Air force Yoruba
Immigration north
NIA yoruba
CBN north
SFG igbo
CDS yoruba etc
From the above tell me how he marginalized yorubas and gave everything to igbos unlike what is happening now to the igbos with your full connivance

You people are high degree propagandists
But thank God the internet has bursted most of your lies

If u don't want southern unity it's the north that will benefit from it. We shall all loose if the yorubas continue their greed

AhoadaRivers:
You yorubas were the 'notorious armed robbers in the neighbourhood' in the 1990s when you violently killed many non-natives in your land with your OPC because you were dealt a terrible political blow.

In 1999, as 'armed robbers' you were made 'security chairman'. So you are the least qualified to point your dirty fingers and call another person 'notorious armed robbers' who want to be 'security chairman'.

Secondly, the Ibos are scattered all over the country and have invested everywhere, while you hide in your cocoons or at best travel to other parts of the country with mats on your head. This is not up for argument, as it is a glaring truism.

Who else is more qualified based on these facts to lead a multi-ethnic country, is it the Ibo man who sojourns to other parts of the country and invests his nickels there, however little, or the yorubaman who hides in cocoon and travels to other land with his mat on his head because he trusts no one and is also distrusted by others?

For years, yorubas have depended on malcontents against Eastern interests to reap whatever political bounties that is accruable to the South. They also go on to rub it on the face of the rest of the south while pretending to be objective in their ornately worded articles and epistles. Anything to ensure the Ibo remain disgruntled within nigeria, yoruba will enflame it. That will no longer be case in future political dynamics.

My brother I dey enjoy you.
You dey give them hot hot

oyatz:
Obviously you don't understand Nigerian politics with this very naive post you just posted.

1) How is Tinubu my leader or the leader of the Yorubas?

Is Tinubu the leader of FFK, Bode George, Ayo Fayose, Dr Olusegun Mimiko?

If Tinubu is the leader of Yorubas, who then is the leader of Igbos?
Who is the leader of the Edos,who is the leader of Nupe, Who is the leader of Igala people?

2) The way you are making 2023 election centred on Tinubu is quite funny.

Let's assume that Tinubu dies today, will that translate to an Igboman becoming the president in 2023?

If Tinubu or any S/West Politician doesn't contest, several other people will still contest and most likely will defeat Peter Obi, Ike Enweremadu or Ogbonnaya Onu.


3) It's better you encourage Igbo candidates to Join the presidential race with all seriousness and start projecting them instead of giving us 1001 reasons why Tinubu should not run for the Presidency.

4) You can't chase four rats simultaneously and catch any anyone.

*Biafra or Death!
* I am Atikulated
*Igbo Presidency
* Tinubu must not contest.


Chose one and devote your time, energy and resources to it.



#Cheers

Tinubu doesn't want ambode you people agreed and followed him
Tinubu installed 4 governors out of the six in Yoruba land so he is your leader whom majority of you follow. It doesn't mean that all yorubas must follow him before you know he is your leader. He is your political leader

Before he drops dead he should foster southern unity so that an igbo man can be president but he is not doing that now
What I am saying is that he is very wrong in not advocating for an igbo presidency now that he is alive because if he dies it either he left a united south behind or a disjointed south.

anigbajumo:
Oga, Zoning never exist in the dictionary of average Nigerian. It is just a mere words used by politicians to deceive guilable Nigerians like you for their selfish interest. SW never had any unity agreement with any region, we are just banking on our plan and strategy for the future of Yoruba nation.

NB: I'm not a tribalist but talking from the perspective of fairness that Igbo does not in any way have no single reason or whatsoever to demand for APC presidential ticket.

Why wouldn't they deserve it.
Was SW a PDP region before they gave OBJ ticket. We want the same for us
And don't you think you can realize oduduwa Republic faster with an igbo president than with an hausa

Because it is fair you support us or we both continue fighting while the north will hold sway
But if there is no zoning as you alleged, why is the south demanding the presidency in 2023

BTW, MURIC is against oduduwa Republic. They don't want a sultan from oduduwa

gideonvalor98:
If they arrest jona na to dey wake up to wailing from all of you na

Then stop the media trial because it also attracts waiting

anigbajumo:
Can you pls show me the drafted constitutional line where Igbo and Yoruba agreed of zoning ??

Zoning is an unwritten agreement in Nigeria
Its not in the constitution but it fosters unity and sense of belonging. It's for equity and fairness
If the south insists that its her turn because of an unwritten zoning. Then the igbos should have it because of unwritten zoning also

Also remember that there is no written agreement between the north and south but south is saying that it is her turn come 2023
If u want to set aside zoning because it is unwritten then the north will continue to rule forever because they have the highest numerical strength for it

Lexusgs430:
The former British premier or the conqueror of Toto Dick.............

Nigerian Churchill

Lexusgs430:
Harder Harder Harder........



No go kill yourself...... Don't use drugs, do your 58 seconds and comot face........

Thats why I like Churchill

oyatz:
Are you suggesting that Tinubu, a private citizen is the cause of all these?



Let's assume that all the people who have shown openly the greatest hatred for Tinubu online and offline ask him not to contest in 2023 and he decides to comply in order to make them happy. . .how does this decision automatically translate to an Igboman becoming the president in 2023 sir?

He is your political leader whether private or not and you people listen to him
If he loves southern unity he should support an Igbo man.
If he doesn't contest and support an igbo man that means the three southern regions are now united then we can in a united form ask for support from the north since its on rotation basis and the turn of the south the north will oblige

oyatz:
How sir?

Since 1966 till now igbos have never ruled nigeria
In this democracy that started in 1999 yorubas have ruled for 8 years under OBJ and we have 3 regions in the south : SW, SE, SS

SW = 8 years = OBJ
SS = 5 years = Jonathan
SE = nothing

So for fairness purpose and for southern unity he should as the political leader of the yorubas support a SE person instead of trying to spoil the soup by advocating for another Yoruba.
How do you want the igbos to feel

Castrate him
He is an idiot

Grayoso:
Because a neighborhood wants peace they should make a notorious armed robber who lives in the neighborhood their security committee chairman ba?

All you want is for the security/armed robbery problem to stop
What if ur saint is unable to handle it

Yebosola:
Will South East ever voted for APC, even if Ojukwu is on their ballot? Let them go to PDP they served for years I beg, blackmailing can't work

Didn't we vote for Rochas in his second term when we saw that he had good intentions.
APC is still the ruling party in imo state.
We have APC senators and reps also

Remember that SW back tracked and voted for OBJ's second term in PDP
We are asking for equity and fairness but you call it black mail

gideonvalor98:
I commend your good work on here sir, you're doing well. As you have listed here and many more - They won't see all these ones but all what they know is to wail about buhari this...buhari that...imagine! The huge numbers of uncompleted project under JONATHAN and PDP era despite the inflow of income? Awarding contract and relooting the fund afterwards? They were just wasting money not considering the future! They will say 'it's already in the past'...is it not the past that brought about the present? May the God we serve deliver Nigeria from these struggles and lead Nigeria to the path of greatness, fulfilment and self-reliance

All those write ups are mere propaganda
If not what is stopping arrests and prosecution

OKTolu:
I doubt if you can read between the line mr fish seller

Its you that is missing the point

BTW, do you know that Alex ibru made his billions through the selling of fish

Grayoso:
Based on what exactly? He should foolishly work in futility for SE Presidency when Igbos, by their own actions, have lost the leadership trust of all Nigerians to make their challenge mission impossible?

Go and demand other Southerners like Bode George support you. Tinubu is an ambitious man who has historically always been a force for good and thoroughly deserves the Presidency.

Igbos should stop begging, hating and blackmailing. Just fight for the damn thing abeg.

Based on the principle of fairness.
I agree that he should work for us being the political leader of the yorubas in the spirit of southern unity if not the south will be irredemably fractured and we will all be at the mercy of the north because of the ambitions of one man
A good leader shouldn't be selfish.
Collective good of the southern society should be paramount

ProudlyAfarmer:
Igboland is on fire with this obaseki and oshiomole rift











Na wa ooo

Igbo bone go hang your neck

As a proof that igbos are better managers

Have you noticed that Nigeria had it's hay days when igbos were allowed to rule
But since after the war in 1970, yorubas and hausas have ruled nigeria into becoming a shithole
The downward movement of nigeria since 2015 is another pointer

Grayoso:
Indeed. We must ask why the Igbos are so fixated on Tinubu not winning. When we accuse Igbos of being hateful, vengeful and tribalistic they deny it.

Yet what has Tinubu done to this people, except being Yoruba with an Awolow carraige, to be focal point of their malevolent obsession?

In a sane world FFK, a privileged son of a Nigerian elite, would be too ashamed to even mention Tinubu because family name got FFK on the Nigerian political ladder yet he could not distinguish himself and is a political bum today while Tinubu is at the very top of the pile today and has been for many years.

Our grouse is that he doesn't want fairness in the south

[quote author= post=90292556]What a sad story!

May it never ever be well with the evil and looting party that brought this evil Boko Haram into our nation..

These Criminals couldn't do anything for more than a decade and watch Boko haram kill thousand and thousands of innocent Nigerians.
That people could not go to their place of worship for over a whole year.
Back then, if you see an ordinary polythene bag (nylon of akara) on the floor, everybody start running helter skelter thinking it's gonna be an explosive/BOMB!
(It was that bad!)

Same evil party that denied Boko Haram kidnapped 286 of our teenage girls before the world stood up to burst their bubble!

They rather share the BILLIONS meant to procure ammunition for our soldiers to tackle this Boko Haram insurgency (when it was still at infancy) among themselves and watch our soldiers die!!

Only people with chicken brains must have forgotten all these atrocities in less than 6 years. 
That is why we call them hypocrites and children of hate, perdition and frustration.
(They are trying to tell us that this raped, battered and looted nation by their party of looters was like Canada or Dubai pre 2015!)

Kidnappings, Daily Pipeline Explosions etc were the order of the day.
More of the reason we sent the ineffectual buffon packing. 

Our darling country will win this war as a nation, and all the politicians sponsoring these killings along with anyone supporting them will all die miserably and terribly in due season.

God bless Nigeria.[/quote]I am surprised you don't know that boko haram started under an APC governor in Borno

I am also surprised that you don't know that we are already five years into a new regime

bigfish3k:
[/quote][quote author= post=90292556]What a sad story!

May it never ever be well with the evil and looting party that brought this evil Boko Haram into our nation..

These Criminals couldn't do anything for more than a decade and watch Boko haram kill thousand and thousands of innocent Nigerians.
That people could not go to their place of worship for over a whole year.
Back then, if you see an ordinary polythene bag (nylon of akara) on the floor, everybody start running helter skelter thinking it's gonna be an explosive/BOMB!
(It was that bad!)

Same evil party that denied Boko Haram kidnapped 286 of our teenage girls before the world stood up to burst their bubble!

They rather share the BILLIONS meant to procure ammunition for our soldiers to tackle this Boko Haram insurgency (when it was still at infancy) among themselves and watch our soldiers die!!

Only people with chicken brains must have forgotten all these atrocities in less than 6 years. 
That is why we call them hypocrites and children of hate, perdition and frustration.
(They are trying to tell us that this raped, battered and looted nation by their party of looters was like Canada or Dubai pre 2015!)

Kidnappings, Daily Pipeline Explosions etc were the order of the day.
More of the reason we sent the ineffectual buffon packing. 

Our darling country will win this war as a nation, and all the politicians sponsoring these killings along with anyone supporting them will all die miserably and terribly in due season.

God bless Nigeria[/color].

I am surprised you didn't know that boko haram started under an APC governor in Borno state

I am surprised you don't know that we are already five years into a new regime