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Oluwasogo14:
don't get my statement twisted bro.this is not a debate bro,there are better ways of doing things,get the skool informed and a get a good representative for every skool not a passer by.

Do you always weight your words before talking or you just spill anything that comes into you mind? And by the way, who told you that you can address me the way you did in post above, I signed up for this out of my free will, how is that your issue? By the way, I am in my finals with a beautiful academic standing, I guess I have worked for to earn this little time I am spending here building my grammatical structure and langauge strenght. If all you care about in your undergraduate years is to always read for futa exam without self development and discovery, so be it, Good luck finding purpose after your undergraduate years.

aysuccess99:
You got me there, you should have expatiated better so as to get your point.
Hmm, if they are caught, I guess they should be rehabilitated, they are doing this out of their own will. They are doing it according to the instruction they were given. So, it will not be right to punish them for crimes they committed under duress or compulsion.

Beautifully put, you just displayed the perfect attribute of a sportman.. Thumbs up man, the future of debate is secured with someone like you around.

aysuccess99:
I'm sorry, your question sounds funny to me. Why should the Chibok girls be jailed? Were they criminals or what offence can you point out that they commit?
Those girls were just victims of circumstances and such be integrated back to the society. They need to be possibly rehabilitated into the society.


It is expedient to point that we are considering whether jail terms serves as deterrent to crime or absolute rehabilitation a better option.

If at all we should talk about the Chibok girls, what we should emphasize is that whether their abductors be put to jail when caught or the abductors should be rehabilitated.



I put it to you, should the abductors of Chibok girls be jailed or rehabilitated when caught?

It is pretty difficult to enter a debate with someone with a different orientation as yours, where have you been? Haven't you been following national dalies? Some of the abducted chibok girls were allerged to have been converted into suicide bombers, obviously, terrorism is punishable under the law isn't it, so if you personally caught one of them on the act, arrest her and you have the power to decide her fate.(jail, death or rehabilitation) which would you sign up for?

aysuccess99:
Hmm. In as much as I won't like to point this out. I doubt if you read the article.

“As at July, 2014, there were 1,914 inmates
and offenders on remand in the 800-inmate-
capacity prison in Ikoyi and more than 70 per
cent of them were awaiting trial."

Your point is the same as mine, you are just trying to turn things around, the prison is overpopulated and rehabilitation is encourged. Bottom line!

aysuccess99:
In as much as I feel for human and believe in the notion that we should temper justice with mercy.
I'll like to point out that those responsible for the abduction of Chibok girls and detonation of bombs be sent to jail when caught.
Have you ever sat down to reflect what damage they had caused to the family of the girls?
Have you ever sat down to reflect on the fact that they have jeopardized those students future?
Have you ever sat down to reflect on the fact that they may have possibly killed an icon that will make Nigeria and even Africa proud?

What we want is justice for the children. Do you think rehabilitation will change all what I've told you to reflect on? It will not. Let's put ourselves in the shoes of their parents, if your sister were among the abducted Chibok girls, will you argue that those responsible should be rehabilitated and as such not fave punishment for their crime?

My question is should any "chibok girl" if caught be jailed or rehabilitated?

aysuccess99:
@Binary007, in as much as I really agree with some of what you posted, that human beings should be treated as humans and their dignity should be respected.


Are you concluding or affirming the fact that every convicted criminal or offender if regardless of their offence, be transferred to rehabilitation centres?

Kindly re-read my conclusion, I said rehabilitation should be encouraged most, depending on the graveness of the offense commited, prison should only be a resort, possibly after failed rehabilitation.

aysuccess99:
Hmm. For the source, this is it

www.is.wayne.edu/StuartHenry/Effectiveness_of_Punishment.htm


You can go through the content to get what I meant.


You said rehabilitation has worked regardless of its cost. Taking our dear country for an instance, do you think rehabilitation program is effective? and why do you think it is not effective, if your answer is No to my first question?

What statistics can you give me to point out that rehabilitation had reduced recidivism?


Hmm. Ad you've said earlier that prison inmates are required to be provided with adequate feeding and other basic amenities.

It will be expedient to point out to you that most people kept in prisons are those who are awaiting trial and as such due to our sub-standard criminal justice system, the government is just probably wasting funds on such individuals.
http://dailypost.ng/2014/10/27/lagos-official-laments-inmates-population-nigerian-prisons-advocates-community-service/

As regards you last citation, I would recommend you re-read it and absorb the context, the write up spoke about lagos advocating community service(which is a form of rehabilitation) over jail because of population explosion in prison, I think that post supports my cause better than yours, thanks anyways

Thollulope:
Good day moderator
panel of judges
adjudicators
fellow contestants
and to the viewers
Am thollulope representing the university of Ibadan . I speak for the notion "The judiciary ,criminal proceedings and judgement. Do jail terms
usually serve as a deterrent or is absolute rehabilitation a better option?
First and foremost, according to vocabulary.com,deterrent is a means of preventing one from doing something , on the other hand rehabilitation means the act of restoring something to its normal state.
The concept of jail terms signals clearly that certain conducts are wrong.
This shows an offender wrong doing and prevents him from repeating such actions .the concept of jail terms brings punishment and absolute solution to criminal.the concept of rehabilitation resets on the assumption that criminal acts is caused by certain factors . come to think of it, how will rape, corruption and terrorism be by certain factor ,rehabilitationdoes not serve as the best for offenders. If crime were a matter of free choices ,then there would be nothing within particular individuals to be fixed.
In developed countries , corruption is a grave offense and these jail terms has immensely reduced the rate of such because it serves as a lesson for others. can rehabilitation do such ? it will only breed more criminals.
For victims and citizens , jail terms shows that there is justice. how will one be rehabilitated for killing my brother because he has excuses. crimes isn't pathology and coincidental. it shows that no matter the class , position and wealth ,nobody is above the law.
Jail terms shows equality and capability of the judicial .
In conclusion, will my opponent feel of rehabilitating a criminal and knowing human decisions arent factorised
Thanks
Reference:
1.http://www.vocabulary.com/../deterrent

2.http://en.wikipedia.org/../Deterrence_

3.http://www.education.gov.ng/fsb/bea/

4.debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.ph...

Great debate bro, but I question the logicality of your points, are you saying the chibok girls who were abducted in nigeria and stampede to detonate explosives should be sent to jail when caught? Pls. Bullet out just 2 points from your writeup.

aysuccess99:
Hmm. You mean cost the state and society obscene amounts? Do you know that rehabilitation programs cost much money?
Rehabilitation is pragmatic in theory, it is not financially feasible. It comes with a high cost and requires great deal of money. US is already facing unrelenting budget quandaries in the area of rehabilitation and therefore has little funds remaining to invest in exorbitant rehabilitation programs.


So can you please explain to me how jail terms cost the states and society obscene amounts?

Thanks a lot for your question, Cost of a good is measure relative to the value and worth of such good, would you agree with me? The govenment is obligated to 3 squared meal daily to inmates in prison, a semi-condusive platform for sleeping for as long as a prison runs with absolutely no value in return, prisoner comes in and goes out after years only to return back into the prison after another crime, Rehabilitation has been proven to work regardless of the cost, you can guarantee a positive turnout, how then can you argue that rehabilitation is costlier, and you said something about united states being in debt, kindly reference your source.

Fynestboi:
It was hidden but I have unveil it..

That is so blunt a lie, why would I remove a work I spent hours compiling, Mr. Fynestboi here deleted my post and barred me from making any other post/comment, I could only wonder why he did so, thanks for the transparency @Hidentity...

Name: Shodipe Opeyemi Michael
School: THE FEDERAL UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY, AKURE
DEBATE TOPIC: THE JUDICIARY AND CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS AND JUDGEMENT, DO JAIL TERMS ACTUALLY SERVE AS A DETERRENT OR IS REHABILITATION A BETTER OPTION?
STANCE: OPPOSING
Prior to this debate,I wondered if my idea – that prisoner rehabilitation should be
a primary concern of any advanced society’s prison
system – could really be thought of as dangerous at all.
A much more fearful notion to my mind is the
alternative: locking people up and doing relatively
little to enable them to address the failings that led
them through the prison gates in the first place,That way people get out of jail after serving their time and almost inevitably commit further crimes, create more
victims and cost the state and society obscene amounts
of public money.
Before I proceed any further, I would like introduce myself formally as Shodipe Opeyemi Michael and reiterate formal greetings,
Good day judges, moderators, my competitors from the great citadel of learning, the University of Ibadan,and every nairalander duly following this debate.
I would detaily define the key terms attached to this debate to aid easy understanding,
According to dictionary.com,
Rehabilitation-To restore good health and useful life to a thing through education and therapy, with the aim of restoring esteem.
Deterrent-something that prevents or aim to prevent someone from doing a thing.
Jail- A place for the confinement of people accused or convicted of a crime.
Judicial- Relating to the administration of justice; of or appropraite to a law court.
That being said, I would bullet my points with detailed explanation opposing the motion above.
1. Have you ever sat to reflect that today's convicted prisoner are our future neighbour? We often forget that most jail term comes with a duration, ranging from months to years or sometimes a lifetime, but for most convicted victims, their terms are closer than we always envisage, consider a man convicted of rape and jailed for 15years, to the present young ladies he is no longer a threat but what about your 3years old daughter, by the time the convicted would have duly serve his terms, she would be a beautiful, young and agile 18 years old lady, what the happens next? Can you fully guarantee she wouldn't fall a victim to your ex-convicted rapist who now lives next door? What about if the man had gone into rehabilitation and his psychology tuned rightl 15years ago, wouldn't you have felt better and more secured now? I guess the really dangerous element to my rehabilitation is that for positive changes to happen in prison and beyond, attitudes towards prisoners need to change. For victims of crime, especially of the most serious crimes – crimes that have devastated families and caused immeasurable pain and grief – this is not going to be easy or maybe even possible. But however unpalatable it may be to some, the fact is prisoners are still people, and if we want them to have any respect for society when they get out we need to be mindful of their dignity as fellow human beings.just locking the up for some fraction of their life wouldn't correct their wrong neither is it proved that would change them ourightly, this can only be done in a rehabilitation centre, I guess you agree with me.

2. Prison deters every possible future hope- Hope, we can all agree is motivation. It gives us strive to move forward and succeed, to reach for our dreams and aspirations. When an individual goes to jail for the first time, largely they lose a great deal of this valuable commodity(hope). Take this case as an example, imagine an 18 or 19 year old kid, smart, a life full of opportunity, in his freshman year of an elite college, running a full scholarship, avidly volunteering 20 hours a week a clinic and food bank for the impovershed. But, he has been caught up in the wrong side of the law; he smokes marijuana,After an exam at around 10 pm, this kid comes home to cops searching his dorm drawers and clothes strewn about, immediately put under arrest. They have found a pill of adderal and some paraphanelia along with marijuana. Now he goes to jail, never been in trouble his whole life. What happens now? He goes to jail. As he takes his mugshots, the consequences hit him. He is confused, dazed; this is going to be on his record. He will lose his scholarship. There may be academic probation. He loses the motivation he had pushing him to work as hard as he has. When he comes out in the morning, having slept on cold tiles surrounded by an unfamiliar and terrifying environment, he does not care for anything anymore. How can I be a doctor, how can i hope to pursue my dreams? Wh
would hire me? I dont have a scholarship, even a part time job will be hard to find to pay my tuition. No longer caring, he considers dropping out. He decided there's no reason to stop smoking, he has no deterrent, it's already on his record so it doesn't matter. He can't even continue the volunteering he loves at the hospital, they release
him. What has the system done to this boy, is there even a point in holding his dreams anymore? He hasn't learned a lesson, a lesson would be pointless. The retribution has convinced him of that. Maybe if the system was more rehabilitative, it could have helped him. Now come to think of it, is this the best retribution for this kid? We keep making this mistake on daily basis, take a stroll to any court of law and see how often people are sentenced to jail on cases that could be treated in any rehabilitation home, you will but agree with me that we are yet to get our justice right.

3.Rehabilitation Is Motivation,I believe that rehabilitation should be offered and depend on the severity of the crime committed. Many individuals who are in prison for many years do not want to be there anymore and programs to help them succeed as a fellow citizen out in the public will and have motivated inmates to not want to re-offend. Being in prison a long time can have an affect on an individual, whether positive or negative, but from personal experience of a family member being incarcerated for 10-15 years and seeing them regain strength in society opened my eyes that not everyone who has committed a violent crime should be put to death or serve unusually long sentences like life in prison. I'm not saying that rehabilitation works for everyone, but it is in my eyes definitely more humane, then just letting someone rot in prison, especially for a petty crime. Rehabilitation programs offer the guidance and a responsibility to themselves that individual may not of been able to learn from anywhere else and it just
might be what that person needed to jump start their lives. I've seen many people who had a prison life at one time who are successful individuals today, and with experiences like they've had, it gives them more of a positive influence if they choose to work with troubled individuals themselves because they've been there.
People like that are the best example that it is indeed
possible to turn your life around for the positive, some
just need that extra push.
I hope these are enough to tune your great minds to the great merirts of rehabilitation over jail and you would agree with me that over a judiciary crime depending on the graveness, rehabilitation would serve not only as a better but as a life changing deterrent when weighed against jail term.
Thanks

REFERENCES
-Concise oxford English Dictionary(11th Edition)
-www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10514678/The-old-debate-punish-prisoners-or-rehabilitate-them.html

NAIRALAND INTERSCHOOL DEBATE COMPETITION.
THIRD EDITION
School: THE FEDERAL UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY, AKURE.
TOPIC: EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, NOT A PRIVILEDGE.
POSITION: SUPPORTING
DATE: TUESDAY, DECEMBER 29, 2015


Before I begin, I’d take a moment to thank my opponent, whosoever he/she should be, I wish you all the best of luck.

With that said, my position on this topic is simple, Education should be mandatory, a legal right not a privilege, or a special opportunity. An hint into the basic concept on education would be very paramount in the cause of this debate, education is an enlightening experience, a mind sharpener, it is a weapon whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and to whom it is aimed, trust me, it could be that powerful. Before I proceed any further, I would love to clarify a general misconception between literacy and education.

Literacy is simply the ability to read and write.
Education is the ability to reason, to use your ability to read and write to your benefit and to be able to gain spectrum of knowledge by surging deeper into the literate knowledge imparted to you. It is just so ethically correct, just and honourable to a legal entitlement to a free and compulsory access to education, show me a nation with a struggling and plummeting economy and I will gladly point out its educational shortcoming, I would love to bullet my points so as to buttress my argument.


Education is the key to fight ignorance.
‘Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored, hence, nothing in this world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity’. Ignorance is pre-defined, it is a state of being totally or partially uninformed[lack of knowledge], and as the general saying goes, right information is absolute power, we can therefore infer that an ignorant mind is powerless with zero psychological prowess, on a much broader view, how do a clan, a community, a town, a city, a state, in fact! How does a nation develop with citizen with far lesser knowledge relative to the exposure and brain capability? It could therefore be said that proper education is unnegotiable to national development and economic advancement, tune your mind a bit and imagine that we are still so ignorant as to believe a plain mirror is a reflection of a supreme being on us rather than the simple scientific phenomenon of light, I’m so sure you have stretched your mind to its limit, there you are, on the path to conceding that as many persons as possible should be scooped out of the shallow river of ignorance, and what better way to inform people other than education?


Education is the key to securing the future.
‘To correctly predict the future, you design it ‘
As a popular singer Whitney Houston sang ‘I believe the children are our future, teach them well and let the lead the way’ , I would love to integrate the kids into our discussion, younger children, mostly coming from broken homes, do not understand the importance of an education, with parents non-challant altitude, they often weight the decision of quitting school as a very tender age only to really discover the truth in the nearest future, to prevent this, a fundamental right should be available to curb and prevent occurrence of such painful mistake, a detailed educational guideline should be put in place so this innocent children wouldn’t just be a victim of a circumstance they could barely help, or would you think otherwise? I fully doubt that. while I await you replies to this questions, come to think of it.

Education is freedom.
Next in importance to freedom and justice is proper education without which neither freedom, nor justice can be maintained, making education a privilege will only end up fuelling gender discrimination as only masculine entities would be believed to deserve formal education as in ages past, how then are we supposed to justify a slide back into an obliterated practice? Perhaps, those philosophies are kept till recent times, great minds like Dr. Mrs. Allison Makueke, Dr(mrs) Okonwo iweala, Mrs. Folorunsho Alakija, would have been left unharnessed and untapped, I seriously don’t think sentiment as to who receives education is worth considering.

On a lighter note, it would be very ridiculous and absurd to consider access to education as a special privilege.


References.
Concise oxford English dictionary(11th edition)
www.vanguardngr.com/page/7/?s=privilege+education
www.debate.org/debates

Fynestboi:
Good so... Work on the topic..

Debate Topic: Education is a right not a privilege.
FUTMINNA (RIGHT) cleared AAU (Privilege) FEDERAL POLYTECHNIC OKO (Right) LASU (Privilege) cleared FUTA RIGHT
Judges: DONSMITH123 Joseph1832
Coordinating: Aminat508 Date: 29th December 2015 Time: 12noon

Declaration of availability for tomorrow's debate... Binary007

Fynestboi:
Let binary007 comment.

Fynestboi:
Let binary007 comment.

Fynestboi:
Let binary007 comment.

Fynestboi:
Let binary007 comment.

Binary007 here.... I'm with awesome11 on the debate..

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