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Christianity Etc › Re: More Proof That Jesus Is The Father!!!!!!!!! by bingbagbo(op): 6:35pm On Apr 12, 2015

CAPTIVATOR:
Mr Op ... Go and vomit that heresy

Whom did Jesus prayed to ? Or are u saying he is just a pretender ?

1 Corinthians 1:24

but unto those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ, the power of YHWH and the wisdom of YHWH.

Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by bingbagbo(op): 6:30pm On Apr 12, 2015

nutarious:
Funny guy, I said baptism in the name of Father,Son,Holy Spirit. U said John James and blabla. Are u making sence?

U haven't answer my question

1=i ask who Holy Spirit was, u said it should be what holy spirit is, yet u dint answer it. The Holy Spirit is detached and can be seen doing lot of things as gen 1-2 said and he is solely responsible for the church currently. Pls what is holy spirit to you, we need explanations on what he is cos according to u holy spirit can't be God or must be a lesser God or an angel. So give us what holy spirit is to JW and with regards to Godhead.

2= Another important question you never attempt to answer is why ur own organization is dift from the early church. The early church were orderly and we'll articulated, u had it in ur edited Bible yet won't follow. Where did u get the instructions to set up ur organization?

3= what is the difference BTW you and Islam. A man brought an illusion without other witness other than himself. Where and who instructed JW to organize JW.

4=you agree Jesus is God yet you Do not agree he is equal to God. Are u saying there are Gods.?

5= God is a jealous God so says the scripture, he won't share his glory with anyone. Yet here u present God as dift from Jesus. Does it mean God deliberately allow God take glory for his name has been given all authority.

6= isn't it blasphemous to change original Bible to Ur own taste, what does it speak of ur morals. Ur foundation is faulty. My question is why trust a Man's word against the early apostles who bled and got killed for Jesus ministry.

7=lastly, Jesus was not Jesus in the beginning, he was the word. He became Jesus when the word mix with Blood, are u following? And thus became man, for the redemption of our soul. From Word to Jesus, back to the word..................My Question is why is it hard for you not to see beyond your JW and follow this scripture analytically. Why denial, can't u see u are finding it hard defend what u dint create, JW is a man's creation why will his own words be greater than all the Apostles? Sit down and reason brother.....

Bible say Jesus will come to judge this world, will you still see as Angel when he arrive. Have u noticed that u have been cut out from heavily gift. No spiritual proof from JW other than ur edited scripture. No miracles, no power on demons, limitations in speaking to God. Kai, will u compare urself with pentecostal. Where individuals are independent of their churches. You have no alternative, it's like watching NTA alone. Wise up man and seek God.

JW is a cult
They deny the message of the cross

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: More Proof That Jesus Is The Father!!!!!!!!! by bingbagbo(op): 6:22pm On Apr 12, 2015

Maamin:
Hebrews 1:1-2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, [size=14pt]whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;[/size]"

No amount of twisting of the scripture can make Jesus the same person as the Father

*sips more holy communion wine*

Do you still have more verses?

Isaiah 26:19

Your dead shall live;Together with my dead body they shall arise.Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;For your dew is like the dew of herbs,And the earth shall cast out the dead.

God's dead body huh

Christianity Etc › More Headache For Trinitarians!(NON-CHRISTIANS ARE NOT INVITED) by bingbagbo(op): 6:17pm On Apr 12, 2015*

TRINITARIANS BELIEVE GOD IS IN 3 PERSONS, NAMELY : GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT.

THESE THREE SEPARATE GODS COME TOGETHER TO FORM ONE TRIUNE GOD.

THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS:

1. YOU SAY GOD THE FATHER'S NAME IS YHWH, GOD THE SON IS JESUS CHRIST,...WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT huh

2. THE BIBLE SAYS THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT (JOHN 4:24),..AND YOU SAY THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS..SO THE FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT COMBINES WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS YET ANOTHER SPIRIT??...THEN WHAT OF THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST huh

3 . WHY IS IT THAT JESUS COMMANDED IN MATTHEW 28:19 TO BAPTIZE IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT...AND ACCORDINGLY THE DISCIPLES WHO WERE FULL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ALL BAPTIZED PEOPLE INTO THE NAME OF JESUS....DOESNT THIS TELL YOU JESUS IS THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY GHOST huh

WAITING

Christianity Etc › Re: I And Bingbagbo Are One!!! by bingbagbo(m): 6:08pm On Apr 12, 2015

MY BELOVED SON IN WHO I AM WELL PLEASED....LISTEN TO HIM cool

Christianity Etc › Re: More Proof That Jesus Is The Father!!!!!!!!! by bingbagbo(op): 6:05pm On Apr 12, 2015

CAPTIVATOR:
Mr Op ... Go and vomit that heresy

Whom did Jesus prayed to ? Or are u saying he is just a pretender ?

2 Corinthians 3:5-6

5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

WE ARE TALKING RHEMA , YOU ARE HERE TALKING LOGOS lipsrsealed

Christianity Etc › Re: More Proof That Jesus Is The Father!!!!!!!!! by bingbagbo(op): 5:57pm On Apr 12, 2015

Maamin:
Jesus is different from the father

John 20:17 "17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, [size=16pt]I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."[/size]

You can now say something new @Op. *sips holy communion wine*

Next!

Colossians 1:16

16 For by Him were all things created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him.

cool

Christianity Etc › More Proof That Jesus Is The Father!!!!!!!!! by bingbagbo(op): 5:12pm On Apr 12, 2015

In Matthew 28:19, Jesus gave the apostles and us a direct command to go, teach, and baptize converts. Since He gave this command, baptism is important and necessary.

Jesus instructed us to baptize "in the[b] name[/b] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." In other words, He told us to baptize in the name (singular) that fully reveals God in His redemptive manifestations and work.

The name given to the Son of God was Jesus. "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21).

Jesus was a genuine human being, born by the miraculous work of God's Spirit in the womb of a virgin, and thus[b] He was literally the Son of God (Luke 1:35).[/b] He was more than a man, however; He was actually the one God manifested in the flesh (Colossians 2:9). He was the visible image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15).

As such Jesus declared, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive" (John 5:43). In other words, t[b]he Father is made known to us by the name of Jesus. [/b]The Father, the one true invisible God, gave His name to the Son (the manifestation of God in flesh)l thus the Son received His name by inheritance (Hebrews 1:4).

The name Jesus literally means "Jehovah Savior." Jehovah was the unique name by which the one true God identified Himself to Israel in the Old Testament. The name Jesus describes the one God of the Old Testament coming in flesh to be our Savior. Thus the name of Jesus reveals both the Father and the Son.

What about the Holy Ghost? What name reveals God in His spiritual essence and action? Jesus said, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26). In other words, the Holy Spirit comes to us in the name of Jesus. The Holy Spirit does not come to us with a separate identity but is the Spirit of Jesus-Jesus Himself coming to dwell within us spiritually (John 14:16-18; Colossians 1:27).

In short, the supreme name that reveals God-the name by which we know the Father, Son and Holy Ghost-is Jesus. By invoking the name of Jesus, then, we fulfill the command of Matthew 28:19.

How did the apostles obey the command Jesus gave to them in Matthew 28:19? On the Day of Pentecost, sinners asked the question, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" (Acts 2:37). The apostle Peter gave them the answer: "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 2:38). This verse reveals that the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and that baptism is for the remission of sins.

Paul later wrote, "No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost" (I Corinthians 12"3).

When Philip preached the gospel in Samaria, those who believed "were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 8:16).

When a group of Gentiles received the Holy Spirit, Peter asked, "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" (Acts 10:47-48).

Paul rebaptized the disciples of John at Ephesus in the name of Jesus. "He said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus" (Acts 19:3-5).

learly the early church baptized everyone—Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles—in the name of Jesus. How does this practice harmonize with Matthew 28:19? First, Matthew 28:19 "in the name" not "in the names" or "in the titles or offices of God." The name that Matthew 28:19 describes is Jesus. So the apostles correctly understood converts in the name of Jesus.

The Bible does not say that we are baptized into three different persons, but it says we are "baptized into Jesus Christ" (Romans 6:3-4). Specifically, we are "buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead" (Colossians 2:12).

The apostles understood that Jesus was the redemptive name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They did not merely repeat those three titles, but they invoked the name to which those titles referred. The other preachers in the New Testament church, such as Philip, Ananias, and Paul, adhered to the same baptismal formula.

There are no contradictions in the Word of God. The New Testament teaches that we must be baptized "in the name" of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and the name we are to invoke at baptism is Jesus.

JESUS BLESS YOU!!!!!!!!!!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is JESUS Our GOD Or Brother ? by bingbagbo(m): 4:44pm On Apr 12, 2015

Lex11:
Our everything good,...our Lord, especially our Saviour!

"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." - Luke 2:11

"And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." - Luke 8:21

"Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." -John 20:27-28

GBAM!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Christianity Etc › Prosperity Gospel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by bingbagbo(op): 3:43pm On Apr 12, 2015

BY: KELVIN KWESI KOBIRI

In Church you find many who are poor and their blaming God. You find many who wants to begin a business or something and it’s not happening and they are blaming God.
Mathew 6:33 “seek ye first the kingdom of Heaven and its righteousness and all other things shall be given unto you”
When you come into Christ there are three main gifts you receive. The first is the gift of eternal life. The second is the gift of the Holy Spirit and the last is the gift of righteousness. Out of this all other things emanate.

Today there are some things that are being preached such as the gospel of prosperity and the gospel of Grace. Christ did not die on the cross that you receive grace. Today people are pastors because they want to be rich and people are in church because they want to be rich. They have missed the mark. There is a scripture that makes it easier for them to preach this and that is 2 Corinthians 8:9. If you are not spiritually inclined you can’t discern this scripture. People will think the cross was to fulfill our prosperity. What kind of riches did Christ possess and why did He become poor? Philippians 2:5-7 Christ was rich because He was in the form with the father but counts it nothing and took on humanity and became poor. The bible is not talking about cars. Jesus did not die that you marry or buy a car. He died that you will be saved. Jesus was slayed on the cross and the glory that he receives belonged to us.

What is the glory that Jesus received? Revelation 5:12 makes it clear that the first thing you receive when you become born again is power and the next is wealth. When Jesus was transformed from a divine nature to a natural man He became a servant. After resurrection He left Humanity back into divinity so once you die with Him on the cross through salvation you are transformed into divinity. Once you receive these things, His honor is with you and His glory is with you. Proverbs 10:22 says that the blessings you receive from the Lord makes you rich.

When you receive eternal life, the blessings will come and the blessings will make you rich. In Christ you live a life after Christ not after man so as He is so are you. In the Garden of Eden where were originally placed we lost it so He came to restore us into the garden. In the garden God blessed Adam. Adam never farmed in the garden until He sinned. He had nothing to do until He sinned. What brought this calamity to us is our sin. Adam sinned and was sacked from the household of God and became a servant. He Jesus then on the form of a servant though He was a son. So Jesus came torestore us in full into our son nature. You walk in power and authority and dominion when you receive Christ. God came to restore us through Christ Jesus. How does He do this?

He redeems us unto his nature and causes us to walk in a righteous way when we accept our sinful change and receive Him. Out of the righteous walk will come power, dominion and authority.
To find favor in the sight of men love God and keep His commandment. God did not create money He created silver and gold which are heavier and precious than gold. Proverbs 3:1-9, God’s blessings bring to you riches. Today people are sowing dangerous seeds and many of this seeds are useless. For example when you sow a seed to marry a lady and you are still fornicating with the lady you will not receive the blessings of God. God’s blessings will not come through Human deeds, it emanate through eternal life.

The gift of righteousness is what makes grace function in your life. But today people think grace will make righteousness function in your life. Grace is a component of righteousness. Grace redeems you to become like Christ and in Christ you a son of righteousness. Isaiah 3:10, the fruit is the result of your righteousness. The fruit you enjoy is as a result of your righteousness. Your righteousness now produces grace.
When do I need grace? It is when I fall and when I am weak. From 2 Corinthians 12:9, as long as you stand firm in holiness you do not require grace. Jesus Christ did not function in grace. He knew no sin. When Moses entered the presence of God for forty days and forty nights he did not require grace. When you enter the presence of God you lose yourself. In forty days Moses never sinned so He did not require grace. Righteousness has been given to you as a gift to prepare you unto holiness. A righteous man is a blameless man but a Holy man is a perfect man.
If you demand God’s blessings you must put aside your own understanding. If you come honoring God with all that you have and you are not righteous you remain the same.
Your giving alone will not push heaven. You give and obey. If you do not keep the commandment you will remain poor. The commandment is first.

Proverbs 10:1-3, tells us that your prosperity lies in your righteousness. When you are righteous and you pronounce blessings on your life it comes to pass. God has blessed the righteous. Your righteousness will produce grace. Once you are righteous, grace abounds in all things. Your freedom to put away poverty forever is in the knowing that righteousness will produce. Righteousness is a gift given unto you but to retain it is not a gift. Your deeds will maintain it. In that state of good deeds you are assured of permanent grace. What is keeping you away from walking in the supernatural is your flesh. The key to getting to the supernatural level is your righteousness.

Psalm 23:3-4, makes us understand that out of your righteousness, you are delivered, and you have fellowship with the Lord. When you feed on the word of God, your enemies become useless. And in the verse 6 of Psalm 23, David says good and mercies which is prosperity will follow Him. As you dwell in the house of God forever and ever you shall prosper. Those who dwell in the house of God are sons not servants.

Christianity Etc › Re: Catholic Church Collapses In Enugu, Five Dead by bingbagbo(m): 3:40pm On Apr 12, 2015

seunfly:
Man must die of something, some died while jubilating the victory of their candidate, while some die due to violence but this people died in the safest place in town.

RIP.

IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK?....GOD DOESNT DWELL IN BUILDINGS.....GOD DWELLS IN YOU

Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by bingbagbo(op): 9:34am On Apr 11, 2015

Acts 16:30-35

30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized. 34 The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole household.

35 When it was daylight, the magistrates sent their officers to the jailer with the order: “Release those men.”

JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY

Christianity Etc › Re: Undeniable Biblical Proof That Jesus Is Same As The Father by bingbagbo(op): 9:31am On Apr 11, 2015

Acts 16:30-35

30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized. 34 The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole household.

35 When it was daylight, the magistrates sent their officers to the jailer with the order: “Release those men.”

JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY

Jokes Etc › Re: The Wheelbarrow Joke. . .must Read by bingbagbo(op): 9:07pm On Apr 10, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by bingbagbo(op): 8:47pm On Apr 10, 2015

nutarious:
lol, what a statement..............................u want to understand God"s complexity?

have u understand urs?

1= what happens to u literally when u sleep and still find urself active in dreams?

2= so u dont talk to ur self? u dont reason within u? yet u seems to wannna how the complex God is, he wasnt created, how he existed is still a mystery to angels not to talk of Man

3= have u ever operated in the spiritual? how do witches leave their body yet are active in their meetings? do u understand yet u wannna understand God complexity

4= Look at the bible and how it was organised, centuries after centuries, can u comprehend that.......................

5= Pls read God responce to job in JOB 38-42, many things God said there were immortal, gods. and he God boast to job about them..............pls read and u will find -----its the only place i found names of many gods we dont know and who has existed before us....................................see BABA is too complex to Reseacrh, even LUCIFER AS CLOSE AS HE WAS NEVER UNDERSTOOD.

6=lets create man in our image===who was he talking to? Angels? we are not in the form of Angels for Angels dont have body nor souls...............................we are a similar and imperfect copy of ELOHIM.

7= lastly, i erred in this dept tooo, no man can get to the father except thru the son...............says the bible, so any worship of GOD without JESUS will mean no HOLY SPIRIT and that soul will never connect to the father...............

david prayed in psalm prayed about Holy spirit.................yet Judaism never preached or teach on holy spirit, it strange to thyem. but here is david saying lord dont take the holy spirit from me........................no other secret, David the patrich knew more by his fellowship

few has the holy spirit in the old testamnt , very few..................................we can all now connect with holy spirit thru JESUS and thru no other source thats why he promised that he will send down THE holy spirit, a god cant promise to send out the spirit of GOD.

HAVE I BEEN LONG WITH U THAT U STILL ASK WHERE IS THE FATHER................................

HE WAS IN THE WORLD,THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM AND THE WORLD KNEW HIM NOT====John 1-11{Genesis 1-1=in the begining God created heaven and Earth}

nobody is holy or worhty, we are all sinners accepted by adoption as son thru the blood of Jesus= romans 8-15

shalom

HARD TRUTH, GOD BLESS YOU !!!!!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Undeniable Biblical Proof That Jesus Is Same As The Father by bingbagbo(op): 8:33pm On Apr 10, 2015

johnw74:
Here is Jesus and the Holy ghost and the voice of God from heaven, the three persons of God at the same time.
Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

and you bingbagbo say that the Son is the Father, you should say the Son is God and the Father is God.

So according to you the verse is just a sign, and apparently the Holy Ghost did not descend on Jesus at the voice of God from Heaven.
Do you see how scripture has to be unbelieved and changed to mean something else, to suit all those who hold to false doctrines. No you probably don't see.

You are the first one I have ever heard with the "two persons are one person doctrine".

JOHN 14:8-9

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

James 2:19

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

HOW THEN DO YOU BELIEVE GOD IS NOW TWO

Christianity Etc › Re: Undeniable Biblical Proof That Jesus Is Same As The Father by bingbagbo(op): 10:49pm On Apr 09, 2015

An2elect2:
Okay let me be clear. They are one Spirit being.

Jesus is the Father himself. There are no two Gods/ spirits.

Hope you grab now.

GOD BLESS YOU SIS......THIS IS ONE HARD TRUTH THAT THE WORLD CANT ACCEPT

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Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Die for Our Sin? Which Sin? Ifeann Should Please Come In by bingbagbo(m): 10:30pm On Apr 09, 2015

udatso:
bingbagbo went as far as saying jesus Christ is even the father in this thread
www.nairaland.com/2233993/undeniable-biblical-proof-jesus-same

greatest mystery ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Christianity Etc › Read Me!!! by bingbagbo(op): 8:56pm On Apr 07, 2015

IF THOU WILL
You can never come to Christ if you have not received repentance. truth will never come to you. You can hear the truth but you must come to the truth.
In Mathew 8:2 the leper recognized the kingship in Jesus. The leper, sort for the will of God concerning His situation. He said Lord if thou will, thou can make me whole. The will and purpose of God is most important. The leper went to Christ prepared for the will of God. Mark 1:40-44, Luke 5:12 all account the same thing. Jesus can make you. Whatever you perceive He can make you but are you willing?. Jesus' will concerning your life may be that you should sell water but are you willing. Many will say: Holy Ghost I am praying for a job. But that is what God wants you to do. Many started this same work the same way and today they are major producers of bottle water because of obedience. May be God will concerning your life is to be a pastor but you are looking at being a prophet.
The word of God is a sure prophesy. What the word is saying concerns you. His will far exceeds our thinking and our doing.. God will is not ordinary, He has ordained His will to stand. No one can change what God has ordained. Any prayer bought is not functional its occasional. Not even the mercies of God will let such a prayer stand. When you know the will of God concerning your life you will know the God in you. Sometimes you will get immediate results but what follows is failure because you were walking outside His will. You will not get a smooth sail in God. Is any of your troubles bigger than the ocean? But God can choose to dry up the sea now. Sometimes the things God wants you to do, it hurts but He has spoken concerning every situation. Every man who is chosen and sanctified by God He will give you a Davao. A Davao is a burden on you. His will superceeds all that we think.
The council of Jehovah will stand forever. His council is His will. God doesn't touch situation and mess them up. When God touches any situation there is rejuvenation. God will redeem you. He will take you to the pinnacle of your life in a moment.
Jesus said to the leper, be thou clean. Jesus is telling you He will. He says He will so be thou clean. He is touching your business this morning because He says He will. Jehovah says I will. Amen.

Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by bingbagbo(op): 8:51pm On Apr 07, 2015

[quote author=CAPTIVATOR post=32454296]^ ^

- SHOW me where Jesus is called " the TRUE GOD" ? [/qu

JOHN 1:1

2 PETER 1:1

TITUS 2:13

1 CORINTHIANS 1:24

COLLOSIANS 1:16.....

JOHN 14

IN FACT THE ENTIRE BIBLE BEARS WITNESS THAT JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD

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Christianity Etc › Re: All You Need To Know About Jehovah's Witnesses!!! by bingbagbo(op): 10:58pm On Apr 05, 2015

THE RETURN OF CHRIST PROPHECIES

Since Christ failed to show up for any of the Watchtower dates, JW’s altered their teaching to make his coming conveniently "invisible".

Christ returned in 1874. (The Finished Mystery, pages 386, 295, 1917 Edition). The Watchtower publications taught this 1874 date right up to 1929. The "Prophecy" book published in 1929, states on page 65,

"The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D."

Christ returned in 1914. (The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, p.87).

Christianity Etc › All You Need To Know About Jehovah's Witnesses!!! by bingbagbo(op): 10:56pm On Apr 05, 2015

Since the JW’s claim to be God’s prophet, we are free to put them to the Bible test for a prophet, found in Deuteronomy 18:18-20. Verse 22 of this same chapter says,

"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD (YHWH), if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken."

Verse 20 plainly says, "that prophet shall die". False prophecy cannot be "explained away" and treated lightly. The Watchtower has invited us to examine their record, and we will! All quotes are from publications of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society and available at headquarters in Brooklyn, New York. Some of these publications may also be found in local Kingdom Hall libraries. Judge this self-proclaimed "prophet" for yourselves!

Christianity Etc › Re: Thread For Atheists, Unbelievers, Hypocrites And All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by bingbagbo(op): 10:46pm On Apr 05, 2015

Weah96:
I don't think Jesus would keep talking, and talking, and talking, and talking. He would have appeared here by now. I'm surprised that you can't teleport yourself across space, because you were empowered to do so according to John 14:12.

teleport myself? for what?.....keep masturbatingg lipsrsealed

Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by bingbagbo(op): 10:41pm On Apr 05, 2015

Ongoing Date Implications

Despite being known for their failed predictions of Armageddon, the Watchtower does not hold back from criticising other religions that do the same.

"RELIGIOUS LEADERS sometimes predict tragic worldwide events to warn mankind and gather followers. Doomsday prophet Harold Camping and his disciples widely advertised that the earth would be destroyed in 2011. Needless to say, the world is still here." Watchtower 2014 May 1 p.3

The history of the Watchtower Society has been based around the doomsday message that the end is about to come. Statements abound such as in the 1930's book The New World;

"The Scriptures give good reason to believe that it shall be shortly before Armageddon breaks."

Toward the end of the twentieth century, the Watchtower Society refrained from issuing specific dates for Armageddon, but still has not stopped implying dates and time frames.

Luke warned about those whose message is that the "due time has approached."

"He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, 'I am he,' and, 'The due time has approached.' Do not go after them." Luke 21:8

Moses warned against those that make predictions in the name of Jehovah that do not come true.

"And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak..." Deuteronomy 18:20-22

The Watchtower says that the standard by which to judge a false messenger is whether their messages "come true."

"Jehovah is the Grand identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers." Watchtower 1997 May 1 p.8

Ironic, considering the Watchtower specifically said the end would come in 1914 and then 1925. This section demonstrated over 20 "messages" promoted by the Watchtower for decades that turned out not to be "true." What does this prove about them as messengers and prophets ?

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2033

2033 is not a changed date but shows the attitude of serving to a date still seems to exist within the Organization. In 2003 a concept was touched upon, with attention being draw to the fact that Noah's last days went for 120 years.

In Noah's day, Jehovah declared: "My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years." (Genesis 6:3) The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Just think what that meant for those then living! Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring "the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens."-Genesis 6:17. Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance, and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival. "After being given divine warning of things not yet beheld," says the apostle Paul, "[Noah] showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household." (Hebrews 11:7) What about us? Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. We are certainly in "the time of the end." (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? "He that does the will of God remains forever," states the Bible. (1 John 2:17) Now is therefore the time to do Jehovah's will with a keen sense of urgency." Watchtower 2003 Dec 15 p.15 "Warned of "Things Not Yet Beheld"

There is no specific statement in the article that the end must come by the end of 120 years or exactly on the 120th year. However, like with 1975, a parallel is drawn to yet another concept that is supposed to indicate that the end is soon to be upon us.

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2000

2000 was not stated to be the end, but there was strong indication that it would be impossible for Armageddon not to come before 2000.

"And if the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the century, which is highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, there would still be survivors of the World War I generation." Watchtower 1980 Oct 15 p.31

"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216

"Some of that "generation" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that!" Watchtower 1984 Mar 1 pp.18-19

"He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century". Watchtower 1989 Jan 1 p.12.

The 1989 Watchtower used the term "in our 20th century" in the magazine, but this was changed to "in our day" for the bound volume and subsequent CD library.

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1986

1986 was the United Nations year of peace. This was an exciting time for Witnesses, due to the implication that it could be the 'cry of peace and security' that precedes Armageddon, something I remember discussing at great lengths.

"Yet one more event will come as an unmistakable signal that world destruction is imminent. Of this the apostle Paul wrote: "Jehovah's day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: 'Peace and security!' then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them . . . and they will by no means escape."-1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3; Luke 21:34, 35. The world's leaders know that a nuclear war means virtual extinction. Also, critical problems such as pollution, the population explosion, and domestic problems demand attention and money. So they want to relax the strained international relations. An evidence of this is the proclamation by the United Nations of 1986 as the 'international year of peace and security.' This, no doubt, is a step toward the fulfillment of Paul's above-quoted words." True Peace and Security - How Can You Find It? (1986) p.85 When Will the Foretold World Destruction Come?

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1980

1980 was said to potentially be the year that the Jews are resurrected, based on it being a 70 year period from Russell's 1910 lecture to the Jews.

"It is possible that A. D. 1980 may have something of special interest for Fleshly Israel, but certainly not for us. It is 70 years beyond 1910, the date when Pastor Russell gave his great witness to the Jewish people in the New York Hippodrome." Studies in the Scriptures - The Finished Mystery p.62

"The date 1980, mentioned on pages 61, 62, [of The Finished Mystery] probably marks the regathering of all of Fleshly Israel from their captivity in death." The Parable of the Penny p.6

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1975

It was implied that the end would occur in 1975, since this was 6,000 years from the creation of Adam. See 1975 for a full discussion of this date.

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1951

Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D, 37 years after Jesus death. In 1950 Watchtower articles made comparison to this. In 1951 it was stated we are 37 years into the ""time of the end" of Satan's world", hinting that it could be the end of the world.

"More proof that such system had ended was given thirty-seven years later when the Jewish priests were forcibly deprived of their sacrificial work by the destruction of their typical temple, which has continued unrestored till this very day. Today, after more than thirty years of similar harvest work, how well we see prefigured in that Jewish harvesting and threshing what is in progress in Christendom today! When we call to mind the horrible end that came upon the Jewish capital and its besieged inhabitants back there, we shudder at the more terrible end that is shortly to come upon hypocritical Christendom and its confusion of religions." Watchtower 1950 Nov 1 pp.407-408

"The instruction these examples of divine help contain should not now be lost upon us. They were recorded for the benefit of God's people now "upon whom the accomplished ends of the systems of things have arrived". (1 Cor. 10:11, NW) Counting from the end of the "appointed times of the nations" in 1914, we are 37 years into the "time of the end" of this world." Watchtower 1951 Mar 15 p.179

"WHEREAS the "appointed times of the nations" ended in 1914, it is now 37 years that we have been in the "time of the end" of Satan's world. (Dan. 12:4; 11:40) During all this time Jehovah's witnesses have become increasingly active and prominent. Why? Who commissioned them and gave them their message? Has their witness accomplished its purpose after all these years? Or must it be classed as a failure? All this was answered in Isaiah's vision at the temple." Watchtower 1951 Apr 1 p.214

In 1952 this 37 year concept was abandoned. Rather the idea of a 'generation' was discussed.

"The Bible does speak of a man's days as being threescore and ten or fourscore years; but it assigns no specific number of years to a generation.-Ps. 90:10." Watchtower 1952 Sep 1 pp.542-543

Even if it did, we could not calculate from such a figure the date of Armageddon, for the texts here under discussion do not say God's battle comes right at the end of this generation, but before its end. To try to say how many years before its end would be speculative. The texts merely set a limit that is sufficiently definite for all present practical purposes. Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon. All the events will come within the span of a generation. There are hundreds of millions of persons living now that were living in 1914, and many millions of these persons could yet live a score or more years. Just when the lives of the majority of them will be cut short by Armageddon we cannot say."

The "generation" concept is another doctrine that has had to go through numerous revisions. In 1995 it was extended to be able to include several generations of people, no longer just those "living A.D. 1914". In 2010, it was changed to an "overlapping" generation, which extends it to two full lifetimes from 1914; potentially as far as the year 2114.

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