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CAPTIVATOR:
Am not a primary school kid okay , I saw 2 names mentioned , " his ( Jesus) name and the name of HIS FATHER" clearly written in Rev 14:1 , answer me who is His Father ?

CAPTIVATOR:
MODALISM PREACHER , I read this in revelation 14:1 'they have his ( Jesus) name and the name of HIS FATHER written on their foreheads' ! Who is his father ?

johnw74:
In as much as Jesus and the Father is God, but they are two persons,
the Father said when Jesus was baptised, "this is My Beloved Son",
and Jesus prayed to the Father "Our Father who is in Heaven"...
Also, God and the Word, are God, and are two persons,
they spoke with each other, "let Us make man in Our image"...etc.

So the Son isn't the Father, the Son is the Word, the Father is God, they are two persons in the One God.

Kei144:
Re. 4:2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.
Re. 4:3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne.
Re. 4:4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.

Re. 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.
Re. 5:2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?”
Re. 5:3 But no-one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it.
Re. 5:4 I wept and wept because no-one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside.
Re. 5:5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Re. 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the centre of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits [Or the sevenfold Spirit] of God sent out into all the earth.
Re. 5:7 He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.

Jesus is not the one sitting on the main throne in heaven. The main throne is surrounded by twenty-four lesser thrones. The people sitting on the 24 thrones are like God, but they are not Almighty.

Re. 3:21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Jesus is our God, because those of us who will overcome will sit on thrones that surround Hid own throne; His throne is the main throne and ours will be subordinate thrones to his own.

42n8dzydoo:
Amen

kaptainshata:
Peter 1:1 that you quoted is in what testament Maybe you should try research in the original and first bible published, which is without doubt in Hebrew language. COs Jesus never spoke English in reality, it is people like you and me that translated the bible and deliberately remove truths they don't like and replace them with more desirable translations. All I'm saying is that, while translating, these gentlemen made errors (deliberately or unknowingly)

macof:
Jesus is just a dead man like every other person that lived 2000years ago
Stop believing things that diminish your intelligence

Hiswordxray:
The problem with you people is that you take some verses and throw the rest away.

"8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.” (Heb 1:

"looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13)

"1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" (2Pet 1:1)

"28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)

So are you saying Jesus is not God and all those verses are incorrect?
Or are you saying Jesus is God but a different God (from Yahweh) that we worship and therefore we worship two Gods?

johnw74:
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Jesus Christ is the only name given under Heaven by which we must be saved.

Jesus is our Salvation.




Isa_12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Jehovah is our Salvation.

Ikenna17:
Heck, that means we're all flawed cause protestantism is an offshoot of Catholicism

joviegghead:
How many times will this issue of jesus been the same person with God go on? I perceive the op of this thread as something personal against JW. Countless of times in the Bible,God and jesus are ALWAYS described as SEPERATE individuals. Most interesting,is that the bible put jesus or paint jesus as been surbodinate to God(image of God not God,1st born of all Creation,Son of God,the one sent by God,etc) Countless of times Jesus himself admitted and testified that the father is greater than he is,he was sent by God,he doesn't do any of his own initiative but of His father's,hmmm,I can go on and on. Yo,op,take ma advice: admit the JW clearly have thrashed u wit the Bible,they've proved their belief from the Bible,and they are Clearly and by far 200% correct. So bingo,or watever ur name is,pls stop hating,accept the truth at least for once in ur entire freaking life.if u got a prob wit JW(whom I know are peace loving) pls sort it out and stop attacking them with stupid,baseless,annoying,unreasonable post and thread. JW's pls take ma advice: ignore this fella and focus on truth loving people of the word of God.

BIBLESPEAKS:
Are you really interested in answering those questions or u're just fixing ur doctrines in the spaces?

If u really want to answer the questions, don't(only) tell us ur doctrine, give an explanation to the cited scriptures. For example:

If Jesus is Almighty God...

1. Then why is "God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man"? (1 Cor. 11:3)

Answer: For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form Colossians 2:9.

We want u to explain 1cor 11:3 and how it fits in nicely with ur doctrine. What u've just done is trash.