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Vintagepipes:
.....I saw the thread.
.....Immediately I saw Igbo written as Igbo in 16 something, I laughed.

... Well, the average Nigerian, even graduates are not very discerning nor too academically intelligent or well lettered to discern fake from real...damn we don't even know our history.

LOL

From the way people react to things in this forum, I wonder the kind of IQ an average Nigerian have.
So they don't know that the picture of the map is Vector image.
Or is it that they don't know that most maps in 17th century downwards are printed in brown papers.
Even the "Igbo" part was so obvious.

Nairaland people sef.

tshtsh:
Just to add that this same ticket is now 29,900 because the seats that cost 27,500 (anambra to lagos) has been sold out. When the 29,900 get sold out the display price will change to 33,000. Same goes for the Lagos to anambra leg. The airline released these seats today and the Lagos anambra seats got sold out within a few hours due to the high demand. Before it was sold out some people paid 60,000 and some 27,500. The attack on airpeace airline over its pricing model that has been going around is totally unnecessary.

OK, in conclusion the law of demand and supply caused the slight difference in prices.
It is beginning to make sense.

So Anambra Airport at inception is beginning to show high prospects

Omanambala:
May I also add the Bonny people need to learn the true history and origin of Ijaw , and , of course , their wild reputation.

If Alagaoa is busy dehumanizing Igbo aboriginal presence in Bonny they we have enough tool to paint Ijaw as an inferior primitive tribes that relied of thieving to sustain life. We must be quick and aggressive in spreading this knowledge to Bonny and Opobo indigens. This needs to happen very fast....like yesterday!

If it wasn't for the continued brainwashing of the locals of these towns I don't see anything worthy of emulation or pride in the Ijaw man.

Good points.
The indigenes just don't want to be seen as slaves but can't do away with their Igbo heritage that's why they still retained their language. They believe that one day the truth will prevail.

Now we have the truth. The next step is to make the world hear it, especially now that the culprit (Alagoa) is still alive.

Mega2biz:
Talented Anambra Women


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2sEJ4G-Co

Interesting.

Igboid:
No cap!
All Departments of History in SE Universities are a crying disgrace.
They are not worth a kobo spent on them.
They should probably all be shut down in sane climes and if we had a strong Political will.

Seconded.
Infact I am going to all their pages to give them a piece of my mind.

This is unbelievable. The lie that Anna Pepple and other Bonny kings are Ijaw and that Jaja was acculturated into Ijaw culture by Pepple who was not Ijaw in the first place stayed for 50 years without them challenging or recognising it is very shameful.

So all they do in the various departments of history in SE is to wear fancy hats as professors during inaugural lectures and frustrate students during exams.

I am disappointed.

9Pluto:
Before, you blame them ask if they have the information.

What then is their job?

Anyway we put it, they still have a portion in the blame but the lions share goes to any Igbo professor, PhD holder in History or senior lecturer, Dean or any resident in the department of History in any Igbo University across Nigeria.

If they couldn't discover this thing that we did here, I wonder what they teach the students and the principle they judge them with?

Let me tell you why I insist that a reasonable portion of the blame should be reserved for Ọhaneze Ndigbo is because it is their job to push for investigation into Alagoa's lies. How can they call themselves a pan Igbo association but see a particular group having Igbo culture, language etc and can't ascertain why they stopped being Igbo after the war. That will lead them to Alagoa's book of lies which will in turn make them to set a panel that will investigate it. When that is done, the result will be used to shame Alagoa and if possible sue him for cultural appropriation.

I am ashamed of all of them.

9Pluto:
Another obvious blight on Nigerian education. I suggest all history departments in most of this schools should be shut down and their professors sacked for a start. They are not what a penny. To imagine that I was the one teaching my neighbor history, that is someone that has a B.Sc in History.

I am just wondering, in a world without internet what was Alagoa referencing.

I make bold to state that Professor Alagoa is an academic fraudster.

Supported.

Any Igbo man calling himself a professor in history should be ashamed of himself.

Eastlink:
Academic exercise without political backing is simply noise making. I support your idea wholeheartedly, but you also need political will power to achieve this. The same way Ijaws are using funds from Ministry of Niger-Delta, Amnesty and the likes to finance INC and sponsor willing persons in Bonny/Opobo is advance the Ijaw agenda, is the same way Ndigbo must rise up to assert itself in Bonny.

Look at what Yoruba’s did in Warri to destroy the Bini-edict that was done in old Bendek state that only a Prince with Benin mother can become King in Itshekiri. Awolowo during the first republic forsaw the Ijaw/Itshekiri crisis and made move to forstal that ownership battle by changing Olu of Itshekiri to Olu of Warri. I have no reason to bring Yoruba’s into this discuss but as a major ethnic group just like Igbos we need to assert ourselves and understand the advantage we wield.

Ndigbo keep running in circles which have allowed the Ijaw to use those loophole to land grab Igbo territories. If you are distancing yourselves from the centre, you are supporting a minority to the Presidency. Worst still, you foolishly support political lightweights like Ekwueme, Ojukwu, Nnamdi Kanu, Uwazurike, Rochas, Peter Obi, Abaribe to represent your interest.

I blame Ọhaneze Ndigbo for all this.

Igboid:
Now there is something we must recognize.

This fight is not to claim Bonny or Opobo as Igbo. Ndiigbo are too big a people to be recruiting people into our fold.

This battle is to establish the fact that Ndiigbo existed in Bonny as Aboriginals and not just as Slaves.

Key to Ijaw de-Igbonization of Bonny and Opobo is their deliberate demonization of the Igbo tag in Opobo and Bonny as that of Slave-descendants. The Cunning Ijaws understand psychology very well, humans naturally will not like to be attached to a dehumanizing history. No one would happily embrace a history that says that his ancestors were slaves.
So Ijaws at every given chance have promoted the falsehood that Igbo presence in Bonny and Opobo is a result of slavery.

The implication of this, is that the average Opobo or Bonny Igbo speaking person cannot embrace his Igbo identity without accepting the dehumanizing Slave descendants tag. For this reason, many of them remain neutral, which, and consciously stay away from Igbo, which gives the Ijaws enough cover to work slowly on their cultural genocide agenda.

To break this, we need to unequivocally with well researched proof show to the world, including OPOBO and Bonny people, that their Igbo speaking ancestors were not present in those Islands as just slaves, but that they were there as Aboriginals and as kings, long before the slaves from Igboland joined.
They have to know that they can embrace their Igbo language and culture without being decendants of slaves as not all of them were slaves.

Once we do this and repeatedly so, we would have effectively put to stop the Ijaws psychological blackmail on Bonny and Opobo people.

This is why I laugh when those kids say "come and claim them physical"

They don't know that we have researched and found out how they started planting their roots and it was by distorting history and instilling a stigma on the Igbo tag in Bonny as descendants of slaves.

The main aim of this thread is to compare our research with the ijaws to ascertain if their was any atom of truth in their distorted history to no avail.

Publishing the findings from this thread will break the stigma and turn the tables around. The Bonny Indigenes that are reluctant to embrace their igbo roots due to the stigma can now do so. Many of them were reluctant but within them know that they are Ndigbo but lack the written proof to destroy the literal lies propagated by Alagoa.

One good thing I like in all these things is that Alagoa is still alive to witness his lies chartered by the offsprings of the same Ndigbo he demonised.

Like the book "In Biafra, Africa died" put an end to the lies propagated by Nigerians on Ndigbo and the circumstances that caused the coup, what will made from the sources and evidences littered on this thread will put an end to the stigma placed on the Igbo identity of Bonny people by Alagoa on behalf of Ijaw people forever.

So Gentlemen, the kids didn't know that the claim physically has already happened because the brain behind their encroachment has been destroyed.
Bonny people can now embrace their identity as the proud Igbo owners of the land and not slaves.

Vintagepipes:
Radio Biafra seem to be taken over by illiterates. Even the studies on Igbos being Light skinned had racist connotations.
Oldfield was even doing studies on an Igbo skull based on racism and classification.

I hate talking about what Nnamdi Kanu said that day but I can never forget it.
It was all shades of blunders and inferiority complex that I have ever witnessed.

That faithful day, he talked about Igbo migration from Israel, how they came in three factions "Arodi, Areli and the other one". He said that they met indigenous people he called "Bijango people" that the first Areli was Eri and he civilised the Bijango people who were of dark Bantu African phenotype. Then after the second and to Arodi, who he claimed founded Aro and brought the Jewish ark of covenant with him to Arochukwu at Ihechiowa meaning (in his voice) where the light of God rested on the very face of the earth.
That the descendants of these three are the Igbo and they are categorised as extremely light skinned or very fair like him and the rest of the black ones among us are the descendants of the Bijango people.

Remembering this makes me feel like giving that dude a very hot slap.

Landmack:
Anambrarians says no to ipob terrorists like you. go back to ur shit hole of a state and remain pressed

I can see that you enjoy my attention.

If out of you three fools, I managed to set one (sistergal) right. I think it was a success, considering how difficult it is for idiots to learn.

With this, I will like to announce to you that I have removed my hand from your foolishness. You can continue your stupidity in peace.

I refuse to derail this thread with you
Don't quote me again.
Thanks for understanding.

Vintagepipes:
..............Yes, I understand ...
......however you know the whites were so big on colourism, and even the slave descendants carried on with this.

......Do you wonder why there was such a term as "Red Eboes"?
....... When you read deep you would understand.......However, before the white men came to Africa, Igbo men even preferred the "darker women". A debate with Obi Ossai and either Oldfield or Baikie (I can't remember). King Obie said this himself.

...but it is important to establish the fact that most of our ancestors were naturally fair and not as a result of white mixing or bleaching as other Nigerians like to tease.

This is another of Igbos being generally dark.

What the OP uploaded is not from Captain Crow, I believe that was from Captain John Adams.

Nna, I have no issues with the OP or his message but the ones that want to turn Igbo heritage to originality based on how light skinned you are.

To tell you the truth, everybody knows that on an average scale Ndigbo are far more lighter than their neighbours and to a great extent other West Africans.
We know that no matter how dark an Igbo person is, he has a reddish undertone. That's fact but we can't allow some unscrupulous fellows turn our originality to degree of skin tone in an intra national comparison. That is conditioning the originality based on how lighter the indigenes are from each other to create a caste.

Like I said before, I wouldn't have taken what they said seriously if I haven't heard it from Radio Biafra and Nnamdi Kanu himself directly.

ThumbzTNA:
Who is this olodo? You think commenting everyday on NL politics section suddenly makes you more intelligent than your 2 digit IQ can permit. What concerns brown bag test in native Africans? And most imporatantly, what is the correlation between brown bag test and the context we were talking about (which was, the ability to discern the tone of a negro's dark skin from a black and white picture). Mumu



This is the link to the brown bag test this oaf is referring to
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Paper_Bag_Test#:~:text=The%20Brown%20Paper%20Bag%20Test,of%20a%20brown%20paper%20bag.

You are more foolish than I thought.

If I want to help fools, I engage those that have hope of redemption.

As you can see, you have no hope. Only you can help yourself.

Keep whatever you have been planning to say to me since you registered on Nairaland aside and read about the paper bag test, it's adoption by the slaves and subsequently freed slaves.
I think this short answer from a reasonable person can help you in your quest for self redemption. He posted some sources in it so that it can help people like you. I would have posted many shots from my books, but like I said "I am not interested in helping you"

https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2014/february.htm

Don't ever quote me again.
Thanks

OfoIgbo:
Just to puncture the lies of the landgrabbers with regards to the Bonny language that Dr. Baikie recorded.

Before I carry on, please bear in mind that Dr. Baikie had already made it clear that Bonny people claim Igbo descent.

Now, my first attachment shows a snippet in the book, where Baikie stated that the deposed King Peppel gave him a lot of information about BONNY. Not about Igbo. This is extremely important. What it means is that ex-king Pepple's piece in the Appendix of Dr. Baikie's book will be solely about BONNY/UBANI

Now the second attachment references the Appendix of interest, the first part deals with commonalities between Igbo, Nembe, Oru, Ibani and Kalabari.
The second part delves into the information that ex-king Pepple shared with Dr. Baikie about Bonny. In it, ex-king Pepple listed a few words and numbering in both Ibani and Igbo, which clearly means both languages are spoken in Bonny, after all ex-king Pepple was only sharing information about Bonny with Dr. Baikie, according to the first attachment.

Now, space did not permit me to also showcase the little commentary that Dr. Baikie made, wherein he stated that the Igbo numbering supplied by the ex king, had both Isuama and Aro pronunciations, which will suggest that other Igbo dialects had started affecting the original Ndoki dialect, as recorded by Captain Crow.

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Slayerforever
Bkayy
Ekealterego
Igboid
ofoigbo
Eastlink
Vintagepipes

I still ask these Ijaw boys where "Ijaw" is in all these evidences.

Landmack:
Bia Bkayy the evil owl. Whatever she said,is right. Anambrarians will continue to reject your ipobian ass. Go back to your worthless and backward shithole

You see that one like on your comment?

That was me, I just liked your stupidity.

ThumbzTNA:
You are a big fool for trying to discern who is a light skin or a drak skin negro from a black and white photo

Fools like you have existed before during slave trade.

Google "PAPER BAG TEST" and see what those that reincarnated as you people did as slaves in Jamaica.

Don't quote me until you read about it

Vintagepipes:
....In my humble assessment. Those are black and white old pictures. It cannot tell shades of colours apart.
....There are several examples.

Northcorte took a picture of a fair Igbo girl with blue eyes and described her. However, the picture did not reflect those colours.

Some of Northcorte's picture have been recoloured using the shades of pigment and some sort of technology, most of them were fair.

I believe their color got a lot to do with their environment and also the Igbo subgroup in question.

Ndoki people are generally darker than Umuahia people (in the same state) Many Aro people are usually fairer on the average than Ngwa people. They all indigenous to Abia state.

I believe that environment and profession might also be a factor. Most Igbos when they come to the SW, they become darker than they were when they were in the SE.

I will upload this recoloured picture.

Nobody is disputing the fact of the existence of natural fair Igbo people but categorising Ndigbo originality based on skin tone is what I am speaking against.
I have heard this from Radio Biafra life and direct, that is why I am not handling it with kids gloves here since it has gotten fans.

I will like you to read about "Paper Bag Test"
It will give you an insight of why I am totally against it.

IGBOSON1:
Dude, just give it a rest!

I said: 'The guy you quoted is right about Igbos known for having Mazi Kanus' lighter complexion....and i've noticed they're mainly found around the lower part of Igboland (Abia and Imo)'.

Now this part of my post was specific to a particular assertion he made out of many....and it was this part of his post i was agreeing with! I even ended by saying his post shouldn't be written-off in its entirety...meaning, there were parts of it i didn't agree with! How you managed to read meaning that isn't in any way related to what i meant is what i'm yet to understand! I mean.....do you just go about nit-picking and looking for arguments for no reason!?

I can just imagine the kind of dickheads that would 'like' the combative and unreasonable posts you're making on this thread!

So you left the message and fixated on "likes" that add nothing to anyone's pocket.
You have serious issues. I think you need to ascertain why you post on this forum.
Is it for likes? Or to make a point?

After doing that, I will like you to Google this "PAPER BAG TEST", it was a discriminatory practice based on complexion by slaves in the carribean. A stupid practice that cost them unity and subsequently eternal slaves for ever.

The place that carried out that stupid practice extensively was Jamaica and till date, it is the only country with 98% blacks that is not independent and will never be until they receive sense.

I believe you now understand why I have to cut you and your fellow ignoramuses short when you are still starting.
If I have not heard of this stupidity from "Radio Biafra" and Nnamdi Kanu's mouth himself, I would have ignored you lots but since I've heard it from someone that some inferiors now consider God, I have to warn you before you dig your own grave by yourselves.

Nobody is telling idiots like you people not to roll in stupidity but, using something similar to the shameful paper bag test that can destroy the Igbo nation and put you ignoramuses at existential risk is something I can not condone.

In almost all of Igbo families, they are divided between the two shades and I can't allow any of you idiots instigate something that might pose harm to any of it

So any way I choose to talk to both of you, no matter how aggressive or unappealing it sounds, you two and your group DESERVE IT.

I don't pamper stupidity.

Putindbutt:
Same logic applied to Ibani. Ibani are called Ibani by themselves. And Ibani are a subgroup of ijaws.

Prove it with any source before 1970 or any physical link

Sistergal80:
go back to ur poverty stricken and backward state bkayy and stop typing nonsense on this thread. ndi anambra dont want your troublesome self here.

Finally, you've learnt the correct term "Ndi Anambra", all thanks to my system of flogging sense into fools than negotiating. It always work.

Asị na agbarọ ụzọ owere mgba na onaghi eshi.

Since you've learnt what started this hammering , pummelling and radical teaching of mine which is the correct terminology for Anambra people, I will say that I am done with your dried ass. Bye, bye

Putindbutt:
*Bonny is called Okoloama BY THEMSELVES.

*Okoloba, Obani BY THE IBOS.


Which part is difficult for you to understand?

Was Ijaw mentioned there?
Take Nri for example. Other Igbo people call her "Nshi", even her closest neighbour Western Igboland do so while she calls herself Nri, but does that stop Nri from being Igbo?

Okoloma is still Ndoki-Igbo.
Which part of this or all the sources listed on this thread has mentioned Ijaw?

Any one?
Your guess is as good as mine.

Putindbutt:
Ibani are a subgroup of ijaws. It was the whites who changed ibani to Bonny. The Europeans altered ibani to Bonny.
Barbot's " bany" was the closet alteration of ibani.

According to Ajayi Crowther, both "Ibani" and "Ubani" are Igbo words.

Any how you put it, Ijaw doesn't have a foothold.

Wetin go be, go be.

Shame on APC.
Shame on NIGERIA.
If you are a friend or supporter of Nigeria or APC, shame on you as well.
If you support both, double shame on you.

God bless Chief Willie Obiano and the Good people of Anambra
God Bless Ndigbo Worldwide
God bless Alaigbo

Ya Gazie.

IGBOSON1:
You're sounding insane mate! Why looking to read your own meaning into a post that is self-expalnatory and couldn't be clearer?

Just for the record, i couldn't give AF what your deluded mind thinks i'm driving at! I've noted my observation and if it doesn't sit well with you, then TOUGH! You couldn't fault my response and explanation to your daft accusation....that came out of nowhere, so you now go off on a tangent, yapping about IPOB, Hope Uzodinma and all what not!

You're now putting words in my mouth...that i'm supporting a 'complexion caste system'! Like....WTF dude!? Where in my post did i say or imply that lighter-skinned Igbos are of a higher caste than the darker-skinned!?

Here is your receipt

IGBOSON1:
The guy you quoted is right about Igbos known for having Mazi Kanus' lighter complexion....and i've noticed they're mainly found around the lower part of Igboland (Abia and Imo).

Now go back and read the dude's post again.

"okwu danaghi ọnụ, ntụtụ afia arụ"

IGBOSON1:
I know what i meant! I said 'a higher percentage than we have today'....meaning a higher number in the general Igbo population than is presently the case today! I didn't say that lighter-skinned were higher in number than darker-skinned as a percentage of the general population!

I know what you people (mostly the ignorant ones in IPOB) are driving at and what you want to accomplish with this insanity but you people should just stop this complexion caste system you are trying to instigate.

If many of you doing this are Nnamdi Kanu extremely fair complexion, just know that you will lose. The dark ones greatly outnumber and outclass you people.

From next year, hope Uzodimma will be the only light skinned Governor in SE. Just for you to know.

Of all the Igbo billionaires and those that hold sway in Igbo land, dark skinned outnumber light skin by atleast 20 to 1

IGBOSON1:
It's a known fact that Igbos can be quite fair....this doesn't preclude the fact that there are darkskinned Igbos too! The time the British explorer wrote this, there were probably a higher percentage of light-skinned Igbos than you have today and more concentrated in ceratin clans....but given the growth in movement and interaction amongst the different clans, this would naturally lead to inter-marriages and a dillution of the lighter shade.

The guy you quoted is right about Igbos known for having Mazi Kanus' lighter complexion....and i've noticed they're mainly found around the lower part of Igboland (Abia and Imo). I've also noticed some Akwa-Ibomites have a similar lighter complexion as well! If you found his post insulting to the Yoruba and Hausa, then take him up on that, rather than writing off his theory in its entirety!

Nope, there was never anytime there was higher percentage of fair Igbo.

Lets not allow this stupidity go far.
The report said "many" which means a sizeable amount not "most"

Vintagepipes:
I can help out here:
........I think Barbot's work might be hard to understand the name of the people he was referring too.
.............It was printed in old texts. S for instance is exchanged with something like F
................... because the printing was different (a for i) for instance
............................Know the current names now: To help you
....................................... Hackbaus - (Igbos)
........................................Cricke/Young Cricke (Okrika)
........................................ Bandy/Bany (Bonny)
......................................... Dony - Andoni and so on.
.......................................... ahhh no Ijaws were mentioned or conceived.

In the link, check from pg 455 - Voyage to New Calabar.
CC: Ekealterego, Igboid

https://books.google.de/books?id=Wta7pVslBEwC&pg=PA423&lpg=PA423&dq=VOYAGE+INTO+nEW+cALABAR&source=bl&ots=QIA1Z-trM2&sig=ACfU3U3t6oH4PyhdRFiDY0utq0NgHDz9lQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiki-u__eDyAhVsgP0HHUQLA64Q6AF6BAgOEAM#v=onepage&q=Hackbous&f=false

Because Ijaw was not existing in Nigeria then.

This Ijaw boy, putingdbutt has alot of nerves to quote such ancient source that confirms that they were not existing in Nigeria then.

Ekealterego:
That's not true. I personally have uploaded.

Barbot (1699)

Captain John Adams 1823 (Earlier than Crow)

Oldfield and Laird (1841)

Schön and Crowther (1841)

Lander (1841)

Sigmund Kölle (1850)

Horton (1865)

Johnston (1886-

Clarke (1841)

W. N. Thomas 1873

Igboid, Ofoigbo, Bkayy, slayerforever have uploaded multiple self.

If the dude has something to say he should do it with evidence, not noise making.

oluztx:
It's a known fact original or real Igbo people are naturally light skin people, tall and very attractive, both men and women.

Forget all these short, ugly and very dark skin fake Igbos you see like Gov Ikpeazu and Mr. Ibu, these are not pure Igbo people. These are the neighbors the white people were talking about, that the Igbos met when they arrived Igboland or came to live among the Igbos. A true pure Igbo man looks like Nnamdi Kanu.

These were some of the traits that made white people very curious about them and eager to work with because they looked different from their neighbors, and white people being racist, considered them superior to their neighbors Yorubaas and Haussas who are jet black skin.

You are the most stupid idiot I have ever seen.

If you have little sense, you would have known that siblings can come in different shades. So, according to your stupidity some are real while the rest are fake.

Mpama

300 monarchs?

Mtcheww, they are just 300 votes

Nice one.

I hope they come back and kidnap those Noisemakers that claim they are stranded instead of running away or taking cover.

Ndị ara, Ndị ara

Igboid:
Our ancestors are too much.
We should give them more credit

One thing Ndigbo should do now is to document their achievements, especially on the Food aspect.
Ndigbo should document our traditional food before it turns to everybodys own.

You see this yellow garrri, when most Nigerians understand the marvelous discovery behind it, every ethnic group especially the Yorubas that are comparing it with their poison (Ijebu garrri) will try to claim co-ownership. And when they do, they will hype it with their media.

If you can remember, they once argued about Egwusi and if care is not taken might do the same for Ọgbọnọ in the future.

Infact, some times I wonder what the job of Ọhaneze Ndigbo is. This is supposed to be one of their Job.