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Igboid:
You know the stories of Idu n'oba was rife in Igboland.
The Europeans made Bini popular and everyone wanted to be part of that popularity.
Olauda trying to add Bini flavor to his Isseke history tells you all you need to know about Ikwerre, Etche, Ogba, etc Bini origin stories.

People were trying too hard to be seen to be attached to Bini and so crafted irrational Bini fantasy stories.

ariesbull:
There is nothing to research... Watch the video


Or dont you have data

Equano even said that they don't kill pythons and till date iseke people just new miles from Niger River don't kill pythons


Ashaka people don't even kill python they eat it

And Esseke and Ashaka arant the same... The vowels are there

Igboid:
Lol!
Ikwerres say Igbos are thieves who want their land and oil, therefore, Ikwerres are not Igbo speakers, they are Ijaw.

That's the logic the Ijaw man is presenting to show that Bonny is Ijaw.

Igboid:
My problem with Ashaka is that he spoke of the Mberenchi marks (Mgburichi marks of the Nri).
These marks are not present in Ashaka area.

Putindbutt:
You mean Etsako is no longer a thick ibo town

Igboid:
I tire!
Even an Onitsha man would tell you that "Igbos are money conscious" does that now make Onitsha Ijaw people?

Igbere people (Orji uzor Kalu home town in Abia) was actually named "Igbo-ere" meaning "Igbos cannot sell us". This was in reference to Aro and her mercenaries attempt to ransack the town and sell them off as slaves. They successfully repelled Aro assault and named themselves "Igbos cannot sell us". Igbos in this sense referring to Arochukwu.
Does it mean that Igbere people were Ijaws because they called others Igbos?

Dude is just clutching at straws.
Igbo speaking people/clans called each other Igbo in the past, it doesn't mean they themselves were not speaking a language one would call IGBO today.

Ekealterego:
Okay, it describes the geography well.

Ekealterego:
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It is now called Ashaka. it is in Anioma. Don't mind the guy.

Putindbutt:
Lol, the smoke is coming out again.
Tell us something we don't know.

Alabo7978:
Fool, I'm not screenshoting, you just skimmed through it.
He mentioned the igbos were good at industry and trading and because they moved about, their languages became spoken in the other coastal tribe. He also said the ibos there are were slaves who were not born there or at atleast ibos brought FROM THE HINTERLANDS.
He also said the Bonny language was the mother tongue. They call Igbo land igbinni which was filled with great forests and mighty trees, rich in crops like maize, rice, palm oil, elephants.
He also said the Bonny canoes navigate up the river to go and buy these things as provisions for the coastal inhabitants who don't grow all of these.
(Even my grandmother in the 1930's - 60's was well known in my community, she takes her trading canoe and Moore in up to ndele to sell crafish and periwinkles and other sea foods, then she use the money to buy garri, ugu leaves, palm oil, maize etc to come and sell in our ama)
They also say they are warlike and rapacious and wild. And the Bonny man will say 'iboman Wawa too much"
Translating to iboman is very wicked.

You can't read, so you subjected me to stress myself to pick out what your eyes should have caught.
You're a fool for stressing me.

Putindbutt:
What makes you think he wasn't referring to Etsako?
I know for a fact that if " Essaka" was anything close to ibo, you guys would have linked it with anything remotely related to ibo.

Alabo7978:
What Europeans? The British and their false media?
The Portuguese and the Dutch account are not the same, and they are the EARLIEST VISITORS who came when everyone was on their lane.
Below is a link to a German Doctor's account who stayed at Bonny in the 1830s
https://www.historians.org/teaching-and-learning/teaching-resources-for-historians/teaching-and-learning-in-the-digital-age/through-the-lens-of-history-biafra-nigeria-the-west-and-the-world/the-colonial-and-pre-colonial-eras-in-nigeria/an-outsiders-view-of-the-igbo-people-(1840)

Alabo7978:
Lol, parrot.
You just mentioned the true story on why Igbo became a second language.
I am carefully going to trash the bolded. YOU SAID and I quote;
"Asimini was the first true King of Bonny and reformed Bonny house system from an INDIGENOUS BLOOD KINDRED SYSTEM into a military system called Wari"
INDIGENOUS BLOOD KINDRED SYSTEM did you get that word?
Now let me ask you, about the military system called "Wari"
Wari means house, an ijoh dialect used mostly by even my own clan "Nembe"
When we want to enter someone's house, we say
Wari'o
And the house owner will say "suo'o"
Do you now see how you shot yourself in the leg?
Bkayy,Igboid, biafrarep please what is the meaning of Wari?
Why did Asimini used an "indigenous military system"? And why is it called INDIGENOUS BLOOD KINDRED system?
does the igbos use war canoe housing name? Please Igboid, biafrarep, Ekealterego SlayerForever what are your war canoe house name?
Ditaridesciple2, come and see how I'll smoke out this clowns.
Y'all will have to answer this question or no further engagement.

Secondly YOU SAID; and I quote
"It was Asimini who began the idea of using slaves to fight in battle with freeborns. He was the first to free slaves who proved themselves worthy in battle and gave them a war canoe house of theirs"
Have you now seen why SOME IBO SLAVES were given citizenship in Bonny?
Does mbanaso okwarazurumba (chief Jubo jubogha) come to your mind?
If only he knew those he set free will do this to him by trying to twist his ancestry and his "indigenous blood Wari(housing) system" he wouldn't have made such mistake.

And finally you mentioned ndoki, yes I agree. I once told y'all clowns how Asimini wedded Kambasa to an ndoki man to Foster trade, Kambasa returned left her husband after her father's death, took an ibani lover upon her return, and Ekealterego and biafrarep called it story.
If you don't trash this out, no further convo.
I will turn this into a thread using how you shot yourself on the foot with the quoted write up like Ekealterego released that beautiful document.

Eastlink:
You are right. I’ll keep time later to find the Google book links.

Ekealterego:
So, at least 5-10 different writers had the same description of ijo men specifically and all of them did not know what they saw?

This is another person again in the 1800s, compare it to how Igbos were described in the same century by Johnston.

Ekealterego:
This is not what Ijaw ancestors were doing here though. Here they were stealing, doing piracy and disrupting civilised trades.

Why not upload the dutch documents let us see.

You cannot even read a simple map or even interpret English texts, now you understood what is in Dutch texts?

Eastlink:
@OP please make corrections to the bolded. I just went through it and saw the mistake.
The two Chiefs in that shared power then were Asimini & Halliday.
I’ll keep time to post a link here. It's actually a detailed history written by an English historian that will blow your minds away.

The topics covered were the following.

Kingship system.
Bonny practiced gentocracy - Okpara system where elders led the people. It was the British who introduced Kingship system in Bonny. This brought rivalry between houses and two leading figures began their rivalry from there. Chief Haliday vs Chief Asimini. Haliday was senior and was calm in disposition. Asimini on the other hand was rash and dictatorial.

Haliday began the systemic rise of Bonny who dwelled on salt trading and farm goods with Ndoki in the Imo river into deal in stuffs like slavery. However, during these period Bonny was at war with her neighbours like Kalabari and Andoni. They needed a strong leader and by virtue of his military might Asmini led victorious battles against Andoni and Kalabari.

On returning to Bonny he took power from Haliday and exiled him. It took the intervention of the British who appealed to Asimini to relax the banishment and bring him back home.

Asimini was the first true King of Bonny and reformed Bonny house system from an indigenous blood kindred system into a military system called Wari.

caleboxylic:
These are some of the economic plans we all are expecting from soludo.

Soludo should initiate it in collaboration with other southeast governors.

Ekealterego:
Ignore that Alexbell guy. I am convinced enough now that he does not possess the mental capacity to embark on whatever course he is on.

He writes as if he is existing in another dimension and do not understand basic text and cannot really decipher simple real life examples.

Let's ignore him, writing on the thread will dumb down this knowledge filled thread.

RobbStark:
How can you stay in your small town and speak for people far away who don't even identify themselves as ibo. How. ??
Are you by chance insinuating that we don't have ibos who are indigenes of those two towns in this forum.
Guy say something else.
Just do you know, I communicate with ibani wen I am in bonny.
They don't speak Ibo in Kalaibiama, finima name them.
Even in bonny main town, only strangers use Ibo come and see for yourself.
I can book LNG boat for you if you are scared of using the public one.

Ekealterego:
@slayerforever, Bkayy, Igboid. This thread must not be closed by any admin.
It is one loaded with knowledge and discoveries.
Some of these guys are already seeking for a way to close it.

JANK23H:
Oops!...I must have touched a nerve.

RobbStark:
To start with there is nothing like Ibo nation.
Don't call your community a nation yet.

Let's assume you and I are close friends, and I have a question won't you answer........

Have you met any Ibo man from Opobo or Bonny, ??
I mean someone who can beat his chest and say he is an Ibo man from bonny or Opobo.
Is it too difficult to answer.

I dey wait for the answer like this ooooo

JANK23H:
I would agree with a superior argument if I saw one.So far, there's been none.

I believe you all know the truth.There could have been a better way though to approach this.The Igbos have always been known to lack tact politically.

SlayerForever:
He cannot override anything.

JANK23H:
All these threads was to push an agenda then?

RobbStark:
Go ahead and say it, that he is Ijaw, say it like the man you are.
When it's not in your favour, they are not ibos.
I gave you all an assignment last nite.
Show me an Ibo man from Opobo or Bonny.
I waiting

JANK23H:
What he said is fact.His account is all over the internet,if only you can take away emotions and the bias in your head.

I alluded to this in some other thread.The British were trouble and messed up our history,some deliberately,and others out of ignorance.

SlayerForever:
You shouldn't bother yourself too much about slavery on the coast back then though. It doesn't mean anything today.

DawnStudios:
He went to learn Udom's secret of building a state.