₦airaland Forum

2tpick:
That means they would have to force the issue, right? More like if you don't want the silver, take the lead.
But then, does it justify their actions?

No one has forced ranching ever since it has been mentioned. It was just a recommendation all rejected without proffering a solution.

The killings have been on both sides and no one is justified to do so. The matter is on how to resolve it.

The issue has just been politicised

UncleJudax:
I am speechless.

You need to be.

mank1234:
The market is in south hence ranching should be in the south: that's not an intelligent argument. Do you plant the tomato and garbage consumed in the south in the south?

Argentina exports it's cattle to other country without setting up ranches in those countries.

Ranching is not needed in the southern part of Nigeria before it can succeed.

Says who?

Please hit Google fast.

mank1234:
I'm not referring to every criminality but the ones that miyeti allah claimed is in retaliation. Your comment is an attempt to absolve them of blame. If this government could stop pipeline attack, quell biafra threat with use of force, it can also stop this one without this policy of appeasement which Kaduna state government started but failed.

Ranches should be created in core north states same way irrigation farming is successful there. States (esp in south and middle belt) should not be coerced by threat of death to join.

If it's successful in those states am sure more states would join intentionally.

Ranching has been practiced in the North for decades. Our president even has one that dates back to that time.

You can't compare a roaming entity to tracked pipeline or rebellious group. It's easier to monitor pipelines or dialogue with vandals. Same way is easier to track down the leader of a rebellious group. Attacking a legal trade done by people who move about is not as easy as you think. How do you identify the good ones and the criminals.

But trust me, ranching will.

If you talking about concentrating them in the North, how does the product get to the South. It's even unfair to subject a tribe to there own territory cos if reciprocated also, someone will shout foul.

Talking about irrigation farming, it's demanded they do. So have not seen the point you making.

UncleJudax:
See guy...I be Omo Igbo...so Nothing you fit tell me. I have worked hard to get where I am.

Back to the oil comparison.

If oil from Ss can be ferried to Kaduna, what is the hassle with transporting beef?
Meat transport is a huge business in the West...Una de de eat infection ridden tired cow meat.

The world has evolved, move up or stay down.

Stop exposing yourself. You not making logical points but fictions. How did you come about comparing oil with Beef?
Are you implying that a commodity demanded fresh will get to the south on daily basis? Let's imagine it's possible, have you considered the impact of cost.



Before you tell me about processed meat, Nigerians don't do it and will never buy into it and more over, we don't have the tech and transportation hardwares

UncleJudax:
again niggaa shout the gfuck up...you are irritating.

One's coursemates don't determine one's final GPA. I didn't compare myself with anybody.

You are mentally impaired if you think spreading herdsmen all over Nigeria is a solution to anything.

Damn...look what underdevelopment has caused

Look at what a master student is saying. I thought you should be dealing with credible information at this level. Who told you about the bolden. You just a village breed opportunistic to be Europe by shear luck as the "Our land" mentality is embedded in your skull.

You believing that ranching is about spreading a tribe across Nigeria tells alot knowing that this tribe has been know with that buisness for ages.

As for your CGPA, we know what score and A amounts to in a Northern school so don't give me that crap. If by standards. Such schools won't even be producing second class lower for decades.

It's just to make it look like a system that works.

UncleJudax:
Dude shout up. You are not learned.

You are asking me how meat from North will get to the south? Damn

Nigeria import almost everything.

In same Nigeria where Oil from the SS is ferried to Kaduna to be refined?

You are a proud illiterate.

Stop exposing yourself.

Without considering the economic impact of exporting beef, you had the right to suggest importation. I leave you with your present IQ

Comparing oil with Beef is one disaster you will never be forgiven for. What are you trying to imply, that a pipeline be created for cows? Or based on our present rail system, we can get beef on daily basis across to the south? Or you did want to suggest flight?

Am still lost about where you coming from.

UncleJudax:
See how you reason in Nigeria?

I studied in the north...I distinguished myself. Graduated with 4.3 CGPA...now in a master program in Europe.

So what is your point?

Get this; in developed world, beef, chicken meat etc are transported not Cows and live animals.

Nigeria has kept people like you in the stone age...

Stop giving false informational please.

As for your CGPA in relation to your initial reasoning, it's a Northern school where an average Western student can make over that. Your competitors were herdsmen. You were just a one eyed man among the blind. Am sure that's why you went for a master's to brace it.

Being in Europe is not a guarantee to being enlightened. An example is you.

mank1234:
That's because friesland won't go on a killing spree when it's business is attacked by unknown hoodlums. If traders who travel to buy goods and are attacked by hoodlums turn around to attacks nearby communities, will you be as supportive as you're to your brothers?

What causes the attack?
Are you aware every criminal perpetrated is now linked to herdsmen ?

When you confine them and ban open grazing, this herdsmen and thier herds can be recorded and tagged conveniently. Any one wanting outside it becomes a criminal.

You have to look at root cause to attack issues and it's just "What's causing the clashes"

Am sure the moguls who do the business don't even want it cos it will be more expensive for them. Ranching is more expensive than open grazing

2tpick:
Please Sir what will be your fate if you aint willing for any of the above? Would they respect your opinion?

That would be unfair. Imagine if such is also reciprocated by them. Will it be fair?

Saintp:
Are you intentionally playing to the gallery or you are serious?
First, the North west and north east account for over 60% of Nigeria landmass, so there is enough land to accommodate all cows in Nigeria.
Secondly, Kano state govt has suggested falgore forest for ranching and this can accommodate all cows in Nigeria, why is the govt not interested in that proposal?
Thirdly, we don't mind if the cost of beef increases if the herdsmen are restricted to the NW and NE, we will gladly pay, we just don't want beef tainted in human blood as it is happening now

Fourthly, cows business is a private business. Any herdsmen who wants to ranch in south or middle belt should go as individual and buy land from the owners and ranch their cows, there is nothing wrong in that.


my friend, all you are seeing us not just about cows, it is a well planned attempt to grab and colonize lands. The Fulanis are strategic long term planners, unlike the idiot elites in the south, the Fulani's know what they are doing.

That's a point up there but you can't just make them buy land at any location. A designated area they can buy into must be put in place.

The idea of confining them to the North and bringing products to the south is totally out of it.

Have not implied land be giving freely, am just if the fact that States should welcome, deliberate and make amendments. You don't even have to sell to them when you can lease and rent.

As for me, removing all biases, it's the only way to go. Confine them and ban open grazing. #Simple. Anyone who can't afford will have to relocate to another state with more welcoming ranching package.

But first is welcoming the idea and erasing the "our land " mentality

salt1:
Thanks for not resorting to abuse.
Since the purchasing power is in the South, how about they buy land in the South for this their personal business?
Nobody is opposed to ranching as a personal business. If Igbos insist on Hausas and Yorubas giving them land or stores for free, will that sound reasonable?

I have never suggested that land should be giving to them for free even some states have the power to do so. It's welcoming the idea fast and putting in clauses that benefits all.

An average Nigerian believes now that ranching means "taking our land". Neglecting the menace at present and ways to curb it.

If an idea is welcomed, it can be fine tuned.

salt1:
Niger State alone has 3 times the landmass of the entire SE. There are vast areas not entirely owned by anybody.
Doesn't it make more sense to take from these ones who have so much and experiment with it, rather than fighting those who barely have?

The question is that the market is in the south and how do you accommodate them.

You can't confine them to the North as it will not be welcomed if such is reciprocates from there side too. Imagine states like Ekiti , Osun, Ebonyi, Abia, Ondo and the likes rejecting ranching when over 50% of the state is wild life

Lomprico2:
Chop ur 30k and gerrof my post. Bmc zombie. It will also end badly for you.

This is pure blackmail from d presidency. 'give us your land or we kill you'

You can't misqoute the president as sane people do know how to read and assimilate.

A resolution you can make. Insult you can only do. Am sure you searching for a job. Know one will employ a low thinker

gcof:
a good example of suffering and smiling

When people are making constructive arguments and you have nothing to say, it's better you save your data and keep mute.

Knowing not about something is not a crime. When you expose your unknowing is an intellectual crime.

Wahala90:
You said this? Gosh!

What else you have to outside "Gush"

gcof:
a good example of suffering and smiling

You can say better than that!

salt1:
For the sake of clarity, here's the position of majority of us
1. Cattle-rearing is private business. The owners should purchase the land, not forcefully collect it without pay
2. Government should pretend to be neutral. This ill-wind will not blow anybody good

Quite agree with you. But an avenue has not been created for that. Lots have been. Brainwashes that it's about "Collecting there land"

You need to welcome a recommendation and make amendments where necessary to be benefit your people too.

I outrightly welcome your suggestion but still the governments need to give an audience for deliberations. Landmass must be set aside for such which they can buy into. It's just simple if we really want to tackle this menace without been bias

EternalTruths:
Take all cows to Sambisa forest.

Met lots of your type. Have no solution and not ready to buy into any.

All they do is blame, complain and wail

UncleJudax:
Nigga get lost. I studied and served in the north. There are empty lands there...let the herdsmen stay back if the presidency wants to help.

All these useless beings

Glaring you studied in the North. Your sense of reasoning campaigns that fact.

So don't they ranch in the North? And if they only do in the North, how does the produce get to the south?

You really schooled in the North. Critical reasoning far from you.

UncleJudax:
Nigeria is an import based economy...so what's wrong with importing beef...since Nigerians' lives seem to depend on it.

No other business is harassing people to give up their land...

So how is this a solution?

No one is harassing you to give up your land. It's a recommendation which you have a right to accept or reject. But when you rejecting, you have to proffer better solution.

So we start importing fresh beef from New Zealand to Nigeria? Sigh... If you quite aware of the podium your suggestion puts you, you won't repeat it.

Please don't suggest such among highly learned intellectuals. It's an embarrassment.

Lomprico2:
Shey una don see am say presidency dey behind d killings.

They want to use death to claim our land and give it to lybians invaders.


Buhari will end badly!

When Buhari said majority of the youths are illiterates and lazy, am sure you were part of those that criticised him.

You have failed to be able to read assimilate and digest recommendations coupled with the hate you are filled with.

The presidency made a recommendations which you free to constructively criticise. No one is taking your land away from you. If it would bring peace and curb the menace. Fine!

If you have a better solution that's more logical, share.

Politicising every matter that arise does not solve issues. Critical in-depth analysis has shown that ranching is the best option.


Whether you are selling, renting or leasing the land, the sole aim is to confine herdsmen with there herds. Simple.

UncleJudax:
Shey Nigerians think say dem no fit survive without beef...which by the way can be imported.

Life is really useless in Nigeria at the moment.

I think everyone in the South can see the plan

Sigh!
If you can, does it mean others can.

Import beef! Sigh. Did you really say that knowing the economical impact.


There is no plan Mr., It's outrightly the way forward.

UncleJudax:
Buhari has made his intentions clear. Na Nigerian way their mini never do.

What intentions?

Do you have a better solution? Share if if it's logical and meaningful and stop politicising a solution that is glaring will curb the menace.

Ranching is the way to go.

People complain and blame without suggesting a better solution.

Someone will still come here to say that fresh meat should be transported daily from the North by rail or flight to the south.

Ranching is just the solution to this ills. .ore advantages than disadvantages.

If not sale, lease. Just confine them and know any other herdsmen found outside it is a criminal.

Ethno religious differences has really limited our thoughts

"Our land" mentality.

If Friesland comes to buy half of the land mass of some states now,. They did be willing to sell.

We just do not want a solution cos of HATE

netflicks:
No mad wip..... Even G-Guys dey hot pass this one...

You already called them fraudsters. They dont sweat for money but earn from peoples pains. The dude works for money

Tessie01:
pastor Enoch Adeboye

And Great Grand father?

And someone will call this man s man of God



His words identifies him.

A learned drunkard would have spoken better.

Colonization in 2018

This are political points by parties to undermine the administration.

Simbrixton:
like i said all your rants amounts to advocacy which is understandable as a fulani man

You really answered none of my question which is rather perplexing after the failure of southern kaduna why are we talking about increasing fulani settlements outside the North? They can't live in peace with berom people tiv people southern kaduna people even agogo people in Ghana (nairalanders should google) have u properly investigated this fulani settlements would only lead to future clashes deaths and murder till the whole Nigeria is overrun

The jews and the whites would never comprise their security over trade in a multi national country like ours indigenous people rights should be respected

I see only one way out disarmament justice compensation to the victims
People were slaughtered in the night and u feel we should welcome u fulanis into our land bros please talk something else

And that will stop reoccurrence? Hello! Do you know the tribe of Boko Haram in the North? Which evidence you have that Fulani herdsmen are perpetrating all this evils. Ranching will get them registered and confined.

Tell me a better solution outside compensation and justice. And mind you, America won't compromise it's security when its abiut a foreign country and we talking about Nigeria here where Nigerian is a citizen of it constitutionally.

I need you to come up with better way out to stop the killing. When we say go ranch in the North, will it also be fare for they too to kick out other tribes and say go do business in your region.

If any resolution you must suggest. You must try to arrive at the middle where both parties are slightly comfortable and also putting into consideration of counter effects.

You can use the notion that some Fulani herdsmen are violent to judge all Fulani herdsmen. Identifying the bad eggs is what should be done, and how do you intend to do that is what we talking about.

Simbrixton:
how come you are the only person advocating for the ranching issue

And which laws states that majority is always right? Can you defend what you saying reasonably outside hate? I can and its all for peace to reign and capture evil doers

Simbrixton:
i pity guys responding to this guy he has no sense of justice or maturity there is something called advocacy in politics and that is what you are doing in modern Israel Palestinians in gaza fish why can't the government of Israel open their land for Palestinian fishermen into mainland Israel to sell their fish baba its called common sense the two ethnic groups are not in peace its an opportunity for terrorism are you more civilised than the jews we should be talking about disarming the fulanis first before anything
Noticed you are the only person advocating for ranching it says two things its either you are a fulani or a cursed person that should be killed quickly

Who is confused here and who needs to be killed. We talking Nigeria and one slowpoke is talking about Palestine and Israel. smh

"Our land" team. Blame they know how to do, solution they void of.