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AfricaGalactic:
1. Runaways (2003) would be an answer to your question. The original 60s X-Men lineup would be an answer too.

2. Spider-Man being more iconic than Batman before 2000 is a blatant lie. On par? Yes. But not more than. Look up any "iconic fictional characters" list online.

3. Who is XxSabrinaxX?

AfricaGalactic:
BTW Blackspider, I haven't committed any strawman. Based on their initial characterizations, make out a number of A-list heroes from Marvel and DC and see how majority of Marvel's top tier heroes, unlike DC's top tier heroes, were more flawed at the time of their introduction. Case in point: Superman (1938) and Spider-Man (1962). Obviously, you'll see exceptions. But see if you discover a pattern

AfricaGalactic:
The Terrifics and Legion of Superheroes aren't teen teams though. DC ruled the market up until Marvel came into the picture. When I say "underdogs", i don't mean in terms of sales. I meant in terms of how iconic and generally popular their characters were. Sure Spider-Man and the X-Men sold well. But to the audience, DC were the older brothers and Marvel the younguns.

AfricaGalactic:
Lmao @ the denial in number 3. A simple google search will give you an objective answer.

AfricaGalactic:
I don't see how any of this changes the fact that Marvel introduced the "relatable hero" trope before DC. You seem to have gone on a tangent here. Even your scan states that company was already known as "DC Comics" before officially adopting the moniker, so i'm not entirely wrong. Answer these 3 questions:
1. When did DC, as we know it today, begin?
2. When did Marvel, as we know it today, begin?
3. Who kickstarted the "flawed, relatable hero" trope?

AfricaGalactic:
Teen Titans comprised of sidekicks and heroes who were proteges of DC's major heroes. Think Young Avengers. X-Men & Spider-Man didn't have any such scruples. Marvel were underdogs in the sense that DC ruled the market before the "Marvel Age" and even till now, DC have more iconic characters than Marvel. Whoever came up with "Marvel Age" is irrelevant because it stuck among the comic reading audience and for good reason.

AfricaGalactic:
Look up DC's wiki. National Allied Publication changed their name to Detective Comics DURING the Golden Age. Of course the name DC was based of the anthology series that introduced Batman in '39.

Marvel was initially known as Timely magazines in the 30s. Then Atlas in the 50s. Atlas didn't publish superhero comics until the name change to MARVEL in 1961.

AfricaGalactic:
Blackspider
Just for re-iteration & clarity sake. I'm aware DC characters are relatable but that wasn't how they were initially written. Batman and the gang have all evolved. Yes. However, the classic (golden age) versions of these heroes were the epitome of perfection. That is why the stigma is still there. DC always had this stuff about legacy and it still rings true today. Marvel was always the underdog in every sense of the word. Stan Lee's 60s creations targetted college aged audiences. Johnny Storm, Spider-Man & The X-Men started the new wave of teens who weren't sidekicks and who weren't younger versions of major heroes. They didn't call it the "Marvel Age Of Comics" for nothing.

hulk616:
but they are not minding this business

So long it is not your property they are after, it is not your business too.

hulk616:
be careful
Mind what you say about Madrid because I won't take it lightly

Madrid as I am hearing are a trash team, same as Barcelona where mediocre team can beat blue black

Oya, wait for me outside let's fight

AfricaGalactic:
See my most recent post. I'm done.

hulk616:


When?

hulk616:
i can't live with gays

I did not say live with them, I said mind your business

hulk616:
what are you saying about madrid ?

That they were a better football team

AfricaGalactic:
And you missed my point. Again. It basically comes down to this: Which company introduced superheroes with flaws? Marvel or DC?

Both have relatable characters. Marvel's are just more well known. Twist in anyway you want, Supes & Bats aren't more relatable than Spidey & The X-Men

hulk616:
why should I be quiet when these abnormal human beings are destroying everything i love?

pu7pl3:
More false tropes and clichés every character in comics have their behavioural weakness that still makes them "human" batman is not perfect he is vulnerable and he tries to always hide his emotions by pushing people away with the guise of trying to protect them and it always backfires with someone or people getting hurt

Same with Barry and Clark too,they all have their unique character flaws..they all do

hulk616:
I agree with you for the first time.
Marvel characters are more powerful than DC

I said overpowered not powerful

And stop agreeing with me, we made an agreement

Minemrys:
nah. U still d0n't get it. It's n0t just abt their tragedies. It's abt having a flaw, having that pers0nality trait. These characterz were presented without flaws. Batman does all he does and there aint an issue where we see him feeling the effects? And his no c0mpr0mise stand on justice in a c0rrupt city? How possible is that? These characterz should have a flaw. S0mething they are n0t that g0od at that influences their pers0nality. Ir0n man for instance is all rich, genius and all, but he's never really c0ntentd, a drunk, arrogant, alm0st everything you'd see in rich folks. To me, Dc really tried with the green arrow character. The dude startd out rich, fighting social injustice, became mayor, lost his wealth, bad mannered, a w0maniser etc. He isn't portrayed as all g0od. He even has a political viewpoint. As in, you can form a mental picture of s0me0ne and imagine them as oliver queen. I can't do that with clark kent, diana, bruce wayne or barry allen.

Minemrys:
seriously? I could spend all day elaborating but c0me on, am n0t going to pr0m0te marvel on here. Just tell me how u find superman or flash or batman relatable to you. Do u see a bit part of yourself in them? Pers0nally, i can't. Cos these guys are presentd as do gooders, they've got no human flaws, they're superhuman in every way. Batman beats every0ne. Cos he's batman. C0me on? But who can't relate with a guy who grew up in an abusive h0me, developd hot rage while repressing it then gets into a freak accident only to burst up at the slightest provocati0n cos he can no l0nger c0ntrol his rage. Who can't relate with that? Or a p0or girl living on the streets of africa, c0mes into the U. S and is treatd like s0me cancer cos of the abilities she possesses? Or a man who after serving in warz, returns h0me paraplegic and actually wants to make sure there are no m0re wars by trying to bring together people of opposing views and trying to develop youngsterz who society fear and have aband0ned? These characterz portray that pers0nality that makes them reachable and identifiable to a real pers0n.

AfricaGalactic:
Blackspider, this guy gets it

Minemrys:
me, i am talking abt the c0mic b0oks and how the characterz have been written in them. Yea, s0me characterz are relatable for dc but the largely kn0wn 0nes aren't in the traditi0nal sense. And there are marvel characterz that are unrelatable but largely many marvel characterz are relatable. I find it hard relating to barry allen h0nestly. The character i find m0st relatable is wally west.

AfricaGalactic:
I see no "pure fallacy" here. If you think there's one, kindly demonstrate.
edit: BTW I'm not saying DC doesn't have relatable heroes. All i'm saying is that Marvel (Stan Lee really) started the trope, hence why "relatable" is affixed more to Marvel. DC only started catching up in the late 60s. Seriously, read and compare the wiki pages of the two companies and you'll understand. Maybe i'm not explaining it well.

AfricaGalactic:
Most of the characterization for the DC heroes you listed started with the Silver Age (50s to 60s). Golden Age (30s to 40s) heroes were mostly one-dimensional (yes, even including Namor and Captain America). But Marvel (1961) was the first to kick off the whole relatable schtick with Spiderman, xmen etc. Unlike DC, Marvel has been like that since Day 1. By day 1, I mean Marvel Comics. Not Timely or Atlas.

Minemrys:
thekingishere uninspiring and unrelatable are 2 different beasts. U relate to s0mething if u can see yourself as that thing. But u can be inspired say by the thought of that thing to do s0mething else. Who can see himself in superman or batman? I can't. But i am inspired by superman's optimism and batman's sense of justice. Then again, i see myself, though little aspects in peter parker. I can relate to peter parker, but i can't relate to superman. But btw the two, i get inspired to be optimistic when i remember a superman quote.

hulk616:
you have come again
How do you expect me to like that nonsense?
Jesus Christ!!! i rather die than being gay

Nickshrapnel:
I don't think he is, because the hatred he has for them is on another level

TheKingIsHere:
I forgot Rocketman (although i dont see it as a major competition), also there is parasite,Little Women, 1917, Uncut Gems

Crazy!!!!!

TheKingIsHere:
To be honest, this awards season is going to be very tough as we have strong contenders like the Irishman, 2 popes, JoJo rabbit, once upon a time in Hollywood, ad astra, hustlers , marriage story, endgame etc

TheKingIsHere:
Moving the fox movie to another month does not affect the calendar.

In fact, Disney has been dropping a lot of fox movies from theatrical release or even production.

They should do that and create space for the MCU movie in Nov

Reports from deadline

Type Disney movie 2022 and look for deadline reports. Joker really made them shiver they removed their live action movie to put a marvel movie

Minemrys:
brother, am even tired of comicbook m0vies n0w.