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XxSabrinaxX:
To be fair, Batman is more iconic than Spider-Man in the United States. He predates Spider-Man by two decades. He is supposed to be selling more merch IMO.

Lol, that was the most clumsy excuse ever. It doesn't matter when but how well a comic book character relates to his consumers. There are some characters in the marvel comics that predates their DC counterpart but isn't as iconic. Vice versa. Or do you mean that since Espanyol FC of Spain should be more iconic than Real Madrid since they predates them by 2 years?


Spider-Man only outsold Batman and Superman combined once and he hasn't done it again. This wasn't because of one more day debacle or Nolan trilogy, it was more of consumers preference.

XxSabrinaxX:
Made a list of all CBMs that grossed $200M+ worldwide and sorted them w.r.t both profit and ROI. Boxoffice of 74 (EDIT: 85. 11 movies were added to the new list) movies were analyzed in total.

EDIT: Many $200M+ CBMs which are not in this list were pointed out in the comments. The list will be updated with those. Most notable miss was the 1990 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, which has an ROI of 6.99, making it the actual holder of the highest ROI for a CBM. Kudos to u/Karnas for pointing that out.

EDIT: Here's the updated list (Older one removed).

All CBMs listed in the domestic list of Box Office Mojo and has $200M+ worldwide gross are added. Hope nothing went under the radar this time.

Methodology

Return = (0.5 * Domestic gross) + (0.25 * China gross) + (0.4 * OS-China gross)
Profit = Return - Budget
ROI = Return/Budget
Disclaimer

This post is only concerned with production costs and box office revenue. Non-production costs (such as marketing costs) and revenue from non-BO sources (such as ancillaries) are not considered.

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CBMs with $200M+ profit

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[s]Ranking Movie Profit (in million dollars)
1. Avengers: Endgame 756.8
2. Avengers: Infinity War 512.3
3. Marvel's The Avengers 436.9
4. Black Panther 393.0
5. Avengers: Age of Ultron 322.0
6. Captain Marvel 318.9
7. Iron Man 3 308.6
8. Spider-Man: Far From Home 301.8
9. Deadpool 291.6
10. Aquaman 289.0
11. The Dark Knight 270.5
12. Joker* 257.5*
13. Deadpool 2 236.5
14. Spider-Man 229.3
15. Captain America: Civil War 225.0
16. Venom 223.4
17. The Dark Knight Rises 220.9
18. Wonder Woman 207.4
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CBMs with 3+ ROI (Edited)

Ranking Movie ROI
1. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 6.99
2. The Mask 6.64
3. Deadpool 6.03
4. Batman 5.42
5. Joker* 5.02*
6. Venom 3.23
7. Deadpool 2 3.15
8. 300 3.13
9. Avengers: Endgame 3.13
10. Captain Marvel 3.10
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Surprising findings

Batman (1989) made more profit than Batman v Superman and Superman (1978) made more profit than Man of Steel.

X-Men: First Class lost money (only $3.9M, but loss nonetheless) on the box office.
Joker

As u/AGOTFAN pointed out the last time I posted a similar list, the budget of Joker is $64M, not $55M.

Joker's domestic gross till 21st Oct, 2019 (3rd monday) and overseas gross till 20th Oct, 2019 (3rd weekend) is considered.

Joker till date has made $321.5M in return ($257.5M profit, 5.02 ROI).

$300M domestic gross and $600M overseas gross will ensure $390M in return, i.e., $326M profit (#5 of all time behind Endgame, Infinity War, Avengers and Black Panther) and 6.09 ROI (#3 of all time behind Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and The Mask).

It would have to make a return of $426M (beating The Mask) to claim #2 ROI and a return of $448M to dethrone Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to reach the highest ROI of all CBMs.

To beat Black Panther and become the most profitable non-Avengers CBM, Joker requires a return of $457M.

This list will be updated as Joker and other CBMs make further ramblings at the box office.


SOURCE: https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/dlzzx1/profit_and_roi_of_cbms/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

Now quite frankly, the argument of profitably is irrelevant to me. I had pretty much forgotten about this until I saw this mention. Just felt compelled to fulfill all righteousness.

Am out .

Cc. TheKingIsHere, MJBOLT, Vic2Ree, hulk616

hulk616:
post shifting spider man sells more than Batman and superman (what an insult )

XxSabrinaxX:
We are saying the same thing. The Spiderman brand suffered a bit of a decline in the US because of the "One More Day" comic debacle and the maligned Garfield movies. On the other hand, the Dark Knight trilogy was receiving acclaim left, right and centre. Batman and Superman are much bigger comic book icons so the fact that Spidey managed to wallop them both with the Avengers thrown in at some point is saying something IMO

We might be saying the same thing and also different thing same time, all I know is that Spider-Man alone is not a bigger brand than both Batman and Superman currently. What he did in 2014 was a one-time thing and shouldn't be a yard stick for measurement.

Batman only started topping Spider-Man in merchandise sales 3 years after the end of the Nolan trilogy. Also, the one more day comics was released in 2007 but didn't stop it from making a billion in merchandise 2014 though . So I don't think the comics negatively affected Spider-Man nor did the Nolan trilogy positively affected Batman

XxSabrinaxX:
Those aren't even included. I'll find the math and let you have it tomorrow.

Please do, will like to see it.

Cc hulk616, that is how to underline a word

XxSabrinaxX:
Blackspider I never said anything about Box Office Gross. I was talking of Box Office Profit. Joker is not the highest in any of them and even at the end of its run, it won't be. Vic2Ree brought up an interesting point when he mentioned box office ROI and profit. Matter of fact, I've seen the math somewhere online. I'm going to see if I can find it. Joker isn't even the top 12 yet when it comes to profit.

XxSabrinaxX:
The Licensing letter (I think that's the name of the website) did the study in 2013. Spiderman sold 1.3 billion in merchandise sales. Avengers, Superman and Batman made within the range of 400-500 mil. A simple google search will bare out everything i've just written. Batman is now the biggest in the US when it comes to merch but Worldwide, the biggest brands remain Spider-Man and The Avengers. It's waaaaaaaay past my bedtime so I'm not gonna bother searching for the links since I have an early start tomorrow but you can search it for yourself
Cc. MJBOLT, Vic2Ree

Nickshrapnel:
Spider-Man rules globally

hulk616:
ok

Once it hits 00:00 of December 8, and there is no spoilers, you are officially a liar

hulk616:
story for the gods, kitchen didn't make its own budget back

But it didn't hamper WB quarterly income

Kaycee7:
Hulk616 has already binged the whole series.

Lol, HBO gave him VIP tickets

XxSabrinaxX:
Spiderman has sold more than Batman, Superman and The Avengers rolled into one though.

XxSabrinaxX:
LOL. Uhm where are these guys getting the notion that DC is a bigger brand than Marvel? The MCU has raked in more revenue than the DCEU that its not even a joke (pun intended); Joker is yet to surpass any of the Avengers films when it comes to Box Office ROI math. Not to mention Marvel has had a more steady success than DC. Also Dark Phoenix is not even the biggest Marvel flop. Fant4stic is. And a couple of DC movies have tanked worse than Fant4stic including Green Lantern and Steel.

Actually, dark phoenix took the crown of the greatest flop from Fan4stic.

Fan4stic had a budget of $120m and box office of $168m meaning it overall was 1.4× its budget. Dark phoenix on the other hand had a budget of $200m and box office of $252.4 meaning an overall of 1.262× its budget. Considering the fact that studios only receive about 66-69% of the entire box office gross, dark phoenix was a greater flop.

Lastly, which comic book brand is bigger is highly debatable because up until 2012, DC was bigger and if we use their entire history, that would be another long history class I rather not take

Vic2Ree:
DC is superior when Marvel's got more clout, sells more merch and is generally a more popular and stronger brand than DC? Tell me how that works bro

Batman has sold more merchandise than the avengers bruh, WTF are you saying?

TheKingIsHere:
As in.

TheKingIsHere:
We are moving forward people

Waiting for episode two so hulk616 can lie that he watched it before HBO themselves

TheKingIsHere:
I laugh on the bolded.

Abeg, go and argue with Forbes.

I was shocked at his boldness. LOL, it is quite commendable though. He even placed age of Ultron that is more expensive and grossed less than the first avengers movie on that list. Man must have serious balls here.

Vic2Ree:
SMHLOL . You clowns do realize that Joker is poised to be "one of" the most profitable, not "more than"? Hell, as we speak it isn't even top 7 and professionals say it'll finish at number 5 behind Endgame, Infinity War, Age Of Ultron and Black Panther in terms of ROI and Profit? So what are you guys masturbating about really? LMFAO!

hulk616:
Blackspider no DC fan is talking about this massive box office failure movie called the kitchen ?

WB didn't blame it like one studio did for their quarterly loss though

Vic2Ree:
Stale. Call me back when a DC film makes 2 billion at the box office. Thanks for playing .
https://wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Avengers-Endgame-Avatar-Box-Office.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DshMycyWkAEOfD-.jpg

But.....joker is poised to be more profitable than your 2 billion dollars movie

hulk616:
its still spoiler

Vic2Ree:
I'm conflicted about the Raimi Spiderman trilogy. The story was great; the action and the set pieces were top-notch for its time. However, I still maintain that Tobey Maguire was the worst live action iteration of Spider-Man. I could go into long details but I have neither the time nor strength for such.

Y'all should consider this an opinion before picking up pitchforks and shotgunning me with rebuttals. LoL.

hulk616:
You know i dont post spoilers

hulk616:
And DC will show marvel fans (VIPs) on 7th

If on the 7th at latest 11:59pm, I don't see you with the spoilers of the trailer, I would from then henceforth know you as a chronic liar.

Please bookmark it

hulk616:
watch and see

Tell Disney to start practicing with Hulu that can't even take up to 10 awards

NeededGist:
I'm not debating over which is more iconic all I'm saying is that Iron man is iconic in the MCU and CBM's as a whole like it or not.

hulk616:
media DC bought

TheKingIsHere:
Joker Movie Stairs Becoming Real Life Tourist Attraction

Media right now