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PAQ:
He didn't mention how much of that amount the UK government took back as taxes and bills, as opposed to here. It would have also been fair to compare the tax and bills too. Agreed, things are bad now, but it hasn't always been like this, and it's not always gonna be like this.

franchasofficia:
If Nigeria was a serious country with reasonable leaders and citizens, the minimum salary for the below professionals ought be as follows:

1.) Medical Doctors - starting salary 1million

2.) Nurses with BSN - starting salary 500k

3.) Teachers with BEd. - starting salary 250k

4.) Senators & Reps - part time job paid only sitting allowance

5.) Police with Bsc/HND - starting salary 250k



But unfortunately, Nigeria is not a normal country and the leaders too are not normal, so don't expect much

CaseSensitive:
When someone (who I assume to be African) says “Blacks deserve to be recolonized,” they’ve already told on themselves, there’s nothing “global” about that worldview, only self-hate disguised as intellect. You confuse criticism of colonial legacy with denial of African responsibility. I never said the West owes Africa a solution, I said Africa is still navigating systems that were never designed for its success. There’s a difference.

Yes, Shell’s refinery existed but nationalization wasn’t the issue. The real failure came after, when maintenance, funding, and transparency collapsed. Shell ran it for profit; Nigeria took over without the institutional discipline or technical continuity Shell had. The refinery could’ve been sustained under proper governance, but instead it became politicized. That’s not proof against colonial legacies it’s proof of how fragile postcolonial institutions were. The same happened with Ajaokuta Steel that you previously mentioned. It was constant external interference, shifting contracts, and funding bottlenecks that made it a monument to dependency, not development.

Ok.

"[b]IMF advised privatizing telecoms, and we saw the benefits.” Are you seriously comparing telecoms to refineries? Privatizing telecoms worked because the sector had low infrastructure barriers and high private demand unlike refining or steel, which need capital, protection, and stable energy to survive. IMF advice is one-size-fits-all, it often prioritizes market efficiency over local development. In telecoms, it fit, in refineries and heavy industry, it hollowed out local capacity. And since you claim to work in oil and gas, I expect you to understand that control of upstream doesn’t equal control of value chains. That’s precisely why resource rich nations can still be poor because they export raw wealth and import finished dependency.

[/b]
The same IMF advised the government to privitize the oil refineries which Obsanjo did and it was reversed by late Yar Adua.

Eleme petrochemicals (Now Indoroma)in Rivers State is a typical example of the benefits of the privatisation policy from IMF.

Today Nigeria exports Urea to US,India and other countries.


[b]You talk about Togo then threw Niger into the mix thinking you're making sense? Togo’s phosphate, Niger’s uranium, Congo’s cobalt are all exported raw with foreign companies dominating logistics, financing, and refining. France’s Orano mining company has been running Niger’s uranium mines for DECADES until recent months when Niger military leader kicked France out of their country and fought to bring their gold and uranium mines under true and sovereign state control. Togo's main phosphate mining industry also has direct/indirect link to France. "State-owned" on paper, but profits and strategic leverage still flow outward but if you think it's completely state-owned without external involvement then I have a bridge to sell you. That’s the pattern, Africa digs, others refine, others profit.

Then again you went on about Brazil, Chile and threw Australia into the mix? Those countries control their value chains and reinvest resource wealth. Brazil developed steel, aerospace, and energy industries, Chile built local processing capacity, stable institutions, and control over their fiscal policy. Most African states couldn’t, because they were economically designed as export nodes for Europe.[/b]


Whose responsibility is it to process Africans raw materials?
If I start a cassava farm and plant Cassava, must i aslo process the cassava for my customers, is it an obligation?

If Western companies decide only to Explore and export raw materials, what stops Africans and their entrepreneurs from process their raw materials locally? e.g is Dangote, Ibeto, e.t.c

Let me school, Guenia has the largest Bauxite reserves in the World, they currently have a law that demands government must own minimum 40% of any exploration or mining deal.
The law aslo enforces local processing of Bauite ore into Alumina with plans for Aluminium smelters in the future.
This cost billions of dollars, I know you are not aware that mining and processing , cost money, let me school you, investors are still pouring into Guinea.

As for Venezuela, their decline only reinforces my point that external economic pressure and internal mismanagement are two sides of the same coin. Sanctions crippled their ability to sell oil, while mismanagement weakened production. It’s a mirror of what happens when a nation’s economy relies too heavily on raw exports and external validation which is exactly the dependency Africa was specifically built into. You can't condemn our leader's corruption and mismanagement without criticising the system that created and sustains it.

Venezuela is suffering from bad economic policy like the ones you are advocating today that led to Western IOC to pull out their exploration and production money, the result is that Venezuela oil indulge has been stagnated.


And if it's not obvious to you, I stand on my point that the rise of Africa is a threat to the world powers of today (insert EU, America and cronies) and they will do anything and everything to maintain control over the continent to make sure Africa is underdeveloped. Despite the vast land that we have, you think it's coincidence that Nigeria imports rice and other food but export cocoa, groundnuts, cotton, ginger and other products? Have you cooked some cotton & cocoa today? You think it's coincidence that herdsmen and other armed groups are destroying Rice farms across Nigeria? This is all by design to keep us dependent both by internal and external influences

Talk no action.
Asians were not a threat, it is Africans and blacks that cannot differentiate their left from right would be a threat?

Do you think without the West, Africa have what it takes to explore, Process, Market their mineral resources?

. Certain cabals in Nigeria make millions of $ on rice importation.

So yes I'm not refuting the fact that domestic mismanagement and entrenched corruption exists, of course they do but you keep thinking this is about blaming colonialism, No I'm not saying colonialism makes up the entirety of Nigeria/Africa's problem. It’s about understanding the systems that keep countries dependent. You can’t fix what you don’t diagnose. Mocking history doesn’t make you “exposed to global business” it just makes you loud about what you don’t understand. That's my point and I’ll leave it there. I debate ideas, not people who rely on Google for information.

stuffs2002:
E be like say na expired mkporu mirri u take.
Not everyone online is Yoruba and we don't sell agbo where I come from

CaseSensitive:
Discuss?? Excuse me… I’ve been laying out facts and analysis, but for you, reading takes too much brain effort. That’s why you skim Google and Wikipedia summaries instead.

Go and Google the decline of your comatose critical-thinking skills or better still.......Take several seats.

CaseSensitive:
Discuss?? Excuse me… I’ve been laying out facts and analysis, but for you, reading takes too much brain effort. That’s why you skim Google and Wikipedia summaries instead.

Go and Google the decline of your comatose critical-thinking skills or better still.......Take several seats.

Pelicansteve:
The government isn't the problem.
Nigerians are the problem. They will do anything for money, even kill each other for a piece of meat.
There are many poor people around the world, but the level of evil in Nigeria society is beyond belief.
Stop blaming the government and start looking inwards.

Zocalite:
This kind of thing should only be happening to apc and tinubu supporters

Walai:
If you can't boast of 200M in your account and you're supporting APC, then you need to have your brain examined. There is a mutation somewhere

Shawarmagirl:
Imagine if it was Sheyi that was kidnapped. Just one order the whole battalion comprises of various paramilitary and medic will cumb the who forest of the kidnap location and bring him out in less than 30min.

But because she's ordinary citizens such order will not be given.

May God rescue her alive.

bluepreek:
She'll be found ijn🙏 and the haters of Nigeria from the east coast shall be put to shame.

CaseSensitive:
Maybe if you read beyond Google headlines, you might actually grasp the argument next time. Try comprehension before conversation.

stuffs2002:
Yet na una dey go other regions dey sell gala for traffic holdups

DmonSlayer10:
Peter Obi plans to kickstart the necessary policies and create the Enabling environment for at least 5,000,000(five million) new Manufacturers;

Tinubu and all other normal Nigerian Leaders may...or may not... have this same wishes or ideas; to turn Nigeria from Consumption to Production...

But something about their Nature makes this intention..if any...almost impossible;

Their culture of Profligacy,Corruption and materialism...and their taste for foreign products,goods and services...

...their tendency to appoint half-baked Ministers and DGs of ministries and Departments... due to Nepotism,Tribalism or for Political rewards...

...their mediocrity in planning and Execution...

...all combine to forestall any intention any average Nigerian Leader may have to Industrialised Nigeria.

Peter Obi is different.

Beware! Peter Obi is different in Character and Capacity and determination more than your average Nigerian Leader.

You have a right to disagree....for reasons best known to you...

....but you need to be reminded!

No two persons are the same!

Obi's character,tendencies,abilities,philosophies,passions,strength,sense of determination,age and fitness levels are different from Tinubu's.

Take it or leave it.

updatechange:
Mr Obi is a scam… the earlier y’all realizes the better

CaseSensitive:
When someone (who I assume to be African) says “Blacks deserve to be recolonized,” they’ve already told on themselves, there’s nothing “global” about that worldview, only self-hate disguised as intellect. You confuse criticism of colonial legacy with denial of African responsibility. I never said the West owes Africa a solution, I said Africa is still navigating systems that were never designed for its success. There’s a difference.

Yes, Shell’s refinery existed but nationalization wasn’t the issue. The real failure came after, when maintenance, funding, and transparency collapsed. Shell ran it for profit; Nigeria took over without the institutional discipline or technical continuity Shell had. The refinery could’ve been sustained under proper governance, but instead it became politicized. That’s not proof against colonial legacies it’s proof of how fragile postcolonial institutions were. The same happened with Ajaokuta Steel that you previously mentioned. It was constant external interference, shifting contracts, and funding bottlenecks that made it a monument to dependency, not development.

"IMF advised privatizing telecoms, and we saw the benefits.” Are you seriously comparing telecoms to refineries? Privatizing telecoms worked because the sector had low infrastructure barriers and high private demand unlike refining or steel, which need capital, protection, and stable energy to survive. IMF advice is one-size-fits-all, it often prioritizes market efficiency over local development. In telecoms, it fit, in refineries and heavy industry, it hollowed out local capacity. And since you claim to work in oil and gas, I expect you to understand that control of upstream doesn’t equal control of value chains. That’s precisely why resource rich nations can still be poor because they export raw wealth and import finished dependency.

You talk about Togo then threw Niger into the mix thinking you're making sense? Togo’s phosphate, Niger’s uranium, Congo’s cobalt are all exported raw with foreign companies dominating logistics, financing, and refining. France’s Orano mining company has been running Niger’s uranium mines for DECADES until recent months when Niger military leader kicked France out of their country and fought to bring their gold and uranium mines under true and sovereign state control. Togo's main phosphate mining industry also has direct/indirect link to France. "State-owned" on paper, but profits and strategic leverage still flow outward but if you think it's completely state-owned without external involvement then I have a bridge to sell you. That’s the pattern, Africa digs, others refine, others profit.

Then again you went on about Brazil, Chile and threw Australia into the mix? Those countries control their value chains and reinvest resource wealth. Brazil developed steel, aerospace, and energy industries, Chile built local processing capacity, stable institutions, and control over their fiscal policy. Most African states couldn’t, because they were economically designed as export nodes for Europe.

As for Venezuela, their decline only reinforces my point that external economic pressure and internal mismanagement are two sides of the same coin. Sanctions crippled their ability to sell oil, while mismanagement weakened production. It’s a mirror of what happens when a nation’s economy relies too heavily on raw exports and external validation which is exactly the dependency Africa was specifically built into. You can't condemn our leader's corruption and mismanagement without criticising the system that created and sustains it.

And if it's not obvious to you, I stand on my point that the rise of Africa is a threat to the world powers of today (insert EU, America and cronies) and they will do anything and everything to maintain control over the continent to make sure Africa is underdeveloped. Despite the vast land that we have, you think it's coincidence that Nigeria imports rice and other food but export cocoa, groundnuts, cotton, ginger and other products? Have you cooked some cotton & cocoa today? You think it's coincidence that herdsmen and other armed groups are destroying Rice farms across Nigeria? This is all by design to keep us dependent both by internal and external influences. Certain cabals in Nigeria make millions of $ on rice importation.

So yes I'm not refuting the fact that domestic mismanagement and entrenched corruption exists, of course they do but you keep thinking this is about blaming colonialism, No I'm not saying colonialism makes up the entirety of Nigeria/Africa's problem. It’s about understanding the systems that keep countries dependent. You can’t fix what you don’t diagnose. Mocking history doesn’t make you “exposed to global business” it just makes you loud about what you don’t understand. That's my point and I’ll leave it there. I debate ideas, not people who rely on Google for information.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny Churchian!😂
What God has the strongest army and name than the God of Jehovah's Witnesses?
What is the name of your own Church?

You that doesn't even know angels are sons of God but jumping up and down claiming what God's people never told you.

I know you don't deserve knowledge but the response is for interested followers who wants to know the meaning of each Bible verse you are quoting ignorantly!

MaxInDHouse:
You like muddling things up but for the benefit of interested followers of this thread i will separate the points.

1. All angels have God's form because they are all spirits like God so whatever the Bible say any of them have means all of them have it equally.


See Lie
2. Nobody receives worship except one person the Almighty God Himself Jesus directed all worship to his father and God. John 20:17

3. Jesus has been chosen to judge {Matthew 28:18} so as the judge he has the right to pardon any accused who shows remorse. Luke 23:43

4. Jesus shared the glory as a spirit son of God who lives in heaven and served as the commander of all the armies in heaven just as the chief of army staff is glorified with the president of your country.

5. All angels have God's name unless the ones who disassociate themselves from God just as Adam had God's name in him as God's Son {Luke 3:38} but lost the glory when he decided to disassociate himself from God that's why the scriptures says:

Is that what God's name means to you an acclaimed Bible scholar?
I can stop laughing
All (humans) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God {Romans 3:23} this simply means before sin man has God's glory in him.


Is obvious you do not know what glory means.
All dis -jointed answers with half scripts cut and join.

What else do you want to know?🙂

stuffs2002:
Yet na South East dey constitute nuisance for other regions after dem don run away from their region like say tomorrow no dey

phobia2002:
For a uni that can't afford a building without government support. What are u doing with that expand of land?

Ebubu:
haters will cry and say he's using marriage to eat Ebonyi dry

Former Governor brother and present governor sister marries

2027 is a walkover

stuffs2002:
Hunger wey dey waya south east no get tomorrow

MaxInDHouse:
Gradually you've run away from your first comment on this thread:



I asked you:

When did Jehovah's Witnesses tell you that Jesus is not God's Son?

Did God give birth to anyone literally?

Guy, Jesus is also one of the angels (Morning Stars) that's what the scriptures said but he is a special one a little different from other angels that's why he called himself the bright morning star {Revelations 22:16} and of course all angels are morning Stars! Job 38:7

All these angels are spirit creatures and so they are all like God in nature that's why the scriptures says God stands in their congregation and judges among them {Psalms 82:1} but those who failed to remain obedient to the true God among them will die like humans {Psalms 82:6} even though they don't grow old like humans.

So whatever i tell you is boldly written in your own Bible you only need to humble yourself and learn!

CaseSensitive:
Nothing I said was a “fairy tale.” The irony is that everything you mentioned, Ajaokuta, the refineries, Ikot Abasi etc actually drives my pont home.

Nigeria’s refineries didn’t just collapse out of thin air; they were allowed to collapse. Years of corruption, political appointments, and deliberate mismanagement turned them into cash drains. Obasanjo, Yar’Adua, Jonathan, Buhari all promised reform but none of them implemented a consistent industrial policy to protect or privatize the refineries properly. They all budgeted billions for “Turnaround Maintenance,” yet nothing changed because those funds were looted.

Another layer is foreign dependence. Western oil companies (insert Chevron, Shell, Total etc) controls the upstream (crude extraction), while refined products come back to us at a markup. Powerful import cartels at home also profits from that dependency, so keeping local refineries idle benefits both external and internal players, ensuring that we exported crude oil and imported petrol, keeping it dependent on foreign refineries. This created a situation where local refining threatened some powerful interests, both foreign and domestic who profited from importing refined products.

I hope you know that Shell had an oil refinery in Port harcourt that was functioning b4 your government Nationalized?

Then foreign-backed “advisory” institutions (like the IMF and World Bank) also discouraged state ownership of refineries, pushing for market liberalization yet Nigeria’s private sector never had the infrastructure or incentives to fill the gap.


The same IMF that advised our government to privatize the Telecom sector which me and you can attest to the benefits


The same pattern exists across Africa, extract raw materials, import finished goods. That structure didn’t start yesterday; it was designed under colonialism and reinforced afterward through “economic advice” that discouraged self-sufficiency.



Which pattern?
Can you give examples? Togo's major mineral resources is phosphate and it is majorly mined by state owned company, Niger major mineral is Gold and Uranuim with both resources controlled by state owned firms same with other african countries.

What stop the African countries to exploit and process their raw materials b4 exporting them, do the West owe them an obligation to process the resources for them?
If Export of resources is the reason for African underdevelopment, while is Brazil major exporter of Iron ore, Bauxite, Coal, Oil, or Australia, Chile, Bolivia e.t.c why are they not poor?


As for Singapore, they weren’t burdened with borders drawn for exploitation or institutions wired for dependency. They had functional governance, control over trade, and the geopolitical luck of being a small, strategic port city. Africa’s story is different Africa is larger, resource-rich, but deliberately fragmented and exploited.

So yes, leadership matters but leadership doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It operates within systems, and Africa’s systems were never built for Africans to thrive, but of course lecture me on capitalism.

Africans have no leaders becos they are just like their followers same Selfsih greed and wicked ppl.

Blacks deserves to be recolonized.

Come back when you have enough time to refute my “fairy tale”

CaseSensitive:
Nothing I said was a “fairy tale.” The irony is that everything you mentioned, Ajaokuta, the refineries, Ikot Abasi etc actually drives my pont home.

Nigeria’s refineries didn’t just collapse out of thin air; they were allowed to collapse. Years of corruption, political appointments, and deliberate mismanagement turned them into cash drains. Obasanjo, Yar’Adua, Jonathan, Buhari all promised reform but none of them implemented a consistent industrial policy to protect or privatize the refineries properly. They all budgeted billions for “Turnaround Maintenance,” yet nothing changed because those funds were looted.

Another layer is foreign dependence. Western oil companies (insert Chevron, Shell, Total etc) controls the upstream (crude extraction), while refined products come back to us at a markup. Powerful import cartels at home also profits from that dependency, so keeping local refineries idle benefits both external and internal players, ensuring that we exported crude oil and imported petrol, keeping it dependent on foreign refineries. This created a situation where local refining threatened some powerful interests, both foreign and domestic who profited from importing refined products.

Then foreign-backed “advisory” institutions (like the IMF and World Bank) also discouraged state ownership of refineries, pushing for market liberalization yet Nigeria’s private sector never had the infrastructure or incentives to fill the gap.

The same pattern exists across Africa, extract raw materials, import finished goods. That structure didn’t start yesterday; it was designed under colonialism and reinforced afterward through “economic advice” that discouraged self-sufficiency.

As for Singapore, they weren’t burdened with borders drawn for exploitation or institutions wired for dependency. They had functional governance, control over trade, and the geopolitical luck of being a small, strategic port city. Africa’s story is different Africa is larger, resource-rich, but deliberately fragmented and exploited.

So yes, leadership matters but leadership doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It operates within systems, and Africa’s systems were never built for Africans to thrive, but of course lecture me on capitalism.

Come back when you have enough time to refute my “fairy tale”

MaxInDHouse:
So what exactly is the color of your problem?
Before you typed this nonsense:


When did Jehovah's Witnesses tell you that Jesus is not God's Son?

Ọmọ what is the next thing you want to learn jàre at least now you know that it's not only Jesus who is God's Son but many so should we now address Paul's letter to the Hebrew speaking congregation?🙂

whippersnapper:
you think so. It is a big mistake to think the western hegemony, imperialism,neo-colonialism is not the reason for Africa's retrogression. Abacha, Gaddafi,idi Amin,mainassara,Walter Rodney,Sankara were wiped out by the west. Only a Fidel castroeque revolution will save Africa. Not a prophet of doom it will never happen in Nigeria. A race that sold their people for slavery for a mirror

yemmie:
Diaspora recruitments of engineers into NLNG and NNPC those with 15 years and above working experience in Australia , Europe, America and Middle East
Pay them salary above their current earnings and attract them back to Nigeria.

Let them be in charge of supply chain , procurement , maintenance , development planning, crude marketing and Engineering at NNPC and NLNG.

Make sure they have dual citizenship .. because any corrupt charges in Nigeria can rub off on them
In their other naturalised countries

These recruitment need to be managed by a special
Task force set up by presidency and a special budget for their salary and compensation package.

Since the president is the minister of petroleum .. he should set up an oversight of these special recruits experts.

stuffs2002:
I would like to thank Tinubu for destroying the political career of Peter Obi.

I will always be happy with Tinubu for this singular thing he did for Nigeria

YesDaddyTill203:
First of all, of all the present candidates, Tinub has what it takes way more than all the other candidates. The Agulu cult leader is the least qualified of them all.
Secondly, Ethiopia is poorer than Nigeria and is always in some kind of turmoil. I was in Addis Ababa for a week 2 years ago. I was advised not to even venture out of Addis. They have war in the Tigray region and many other conflicts, yet they operate a world-class Airline with many tourists visiting the country like myself. Millions of Nigerians and other Africans, Indians, Arabs, and others are flying Ethiopian Airlines yearly.
Nigeria is way richer with better facilities than Ethiopia. Ethiopians are poorer than Nigerians by any standard.
The Airport and world-class airline will open up Nigeria more to the world, and Tinubu is a man with vision who can dream of such projects.
He used the yearly Ocean erosion in VI (you, like most of these youth, probably don't even know what used to happen in that area before Tinubu stopped the Ocean surge) to create what is today Eko Atlantic, where the US government is building the world's largest consulate at the cost of 500 MILLION DOLLARS. Tinubu created the Lekki free trade zone, where we have the Dangote refinery today.
Pls get your orientation right....

CaseSensitive:
Sure let's unpack it since you asked;

The CFA franc isn’t “beneficial”; it’s a colonial hangover. Member states must keep 50% of their foreign reserves in France’s treasury, and France retains veto power over their monetary policy. How's that not dependency? You can’t develop freely when another country controls your currency and reserves.

2. Trade imbalance:
Colonial economies were built to export raw materials and import finished goods, that pattern never ended. African countries still export crude, cocoa, and minerals, then buy back refined products at a premium. That’s structural underdevelopment, not bad leadership alone.

3. Resource extraction:
Foreign companies which are mostly European and Americans still dominate Africa’s mining, oil, and telecom sectors. They repatriate profits while locals get royalties and polluted land. Look at Niger (uranium), DRC (cobalt), and Nigeria (oil). The story is the same. Talking of Telecom sector, I can also dive deeper on how the Europeans wanted to keep Africa dependent on European Telecom infrastructures so that Africa continue to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in bandwidth fees every year until Gadaffi intervened. If you're old enough to remember when a single MTN SIM card was selling for 35,000 naira, before it gradually dropped and dropped to the point that it was selling for about 200 naira? Yes that's because of Gadaffi. Europe does not want Africa to progress, it's evident and I can also show you a video from a British University professor who laid everything bare to his students on how Western powers are hell bent on keeping Africa underdeveloped. If you watch the video, you can maybe judge yourself. All of his claims are Africa's reality today.

As for Singapore, yes, it has a larger population but it wasn’t systematically stripped of wealth or occupied by a colonial power that left it in debt. Lee Kuan Yew built a state that broke from British influence, invested in education, and rooted out corruption. Compare that with France’s post-independence setup in Africa, where coups, regime change and client states were routine.

So when you say “look at Singapore or Qatar,” you're ignoring context, those states had autonomy. Many African nations still don’t.

Colonialism isn’t history, it just changed its tools.