lie, lies liar, lai.

A lot of the anthologies about the story of mankind being bandied around in the global mass media are fraudulent and tools of confusion. Most are based on bible data like the Table of Nations which has details that are incongruous and twisted to favour oyinbo protagonists. It is therefore a begotten fraud which should not be completely discarded but the truth sifted from the lies in line with the African saying, “do not throw the baby away with the bath water”. But these lies have also been propagated by Africans who have also been doing same to themselves. The Ifa literary corpus and other oral records of the Aku can be used to achieve this filtering. Some results of using this filter are that not everyone on earth descended from the same father or mother, which implies that not everyone’s Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA have been inherited from a single man or woman respectively; and that a lot of the anthologies of various ancient peoples which have been based on the bible book of Genesis have to be reviewed entirely, and that the bible and other anthologies derived from it are schizoid tools used by certain groups for supremacist aims. The most important is that the Akus possess the actual data that all peoples of various fields can use to piece together the story of mankind.


in my opinion, omo yoruba ronu. everything was taken from us, repackaged and given back to us.

lawani:
ancient hebrew is kemitic egyptian is ancient Yoruba . Yoruba is totally different from hebrew, our theology is almost opposite as Yoruba worship virtually everything while hebrews worship only yahweh

total misconception of yoruba religion, although not an expert, they woprship olodumare as the only God, the rest as gods (ministers with designated responsibilities)

Olu317:


No sir, because they spoke related language. The difference between Oyo dialect and the rest Yorubas is that Oyo's dialect stretches the lexicons while most other dialects retained the archaic pronunciation though with little modification as migration from one base to another.

If you read what I posted that quoted, you will realise that whatever language these people spoke was overran by the migrants group,if you use the hypothesis that is involved in linguistic analysis of a community. Invariably, the migrants groups had more multiple birth than the first settlement. Such names as Usere-Oba-m-akin-Oba-t'ala-(Osan)gangn are names found in Semitic language even if some meaning aren't cognate.

Take for instance, the Opa Oranmiyan is said to be an inscription in Middle-Eastern Letters that archeologists have accepted as corresponding in sound to “Oranmiyan”( Reish/Resh and Yud/Yod).

If Opa Oranmiyan and Ogun stone are said to be connected to Middle East, doesn't it show who they were? It is as simple as ABC. In fact, the inscription on the Opa Oranmiyan by the grace of Élédáà can be interpreted.

u said no but gave a more detailed analysis of what i said.
oduduwas presence changed the language fro which other ethnic groups got theirs, pls do away with this linguistics issue.
the ugbo of ondo were from old, are u saying they speak like other yoruba groups.?

Olu317:


Linguistic analysis of of a language of a community; Dominant, Subordinate and Monolingual

A typical profile of a speech community (A— Cushitic/Kemitic) in contact with another group (B—Yoruba/Hebrew), is that if ( A— Cushitic/Kemitic) is dominated by (B—Yoruba/Hebrew), the language of the community then change from monolingual (A—cushitic/kemitic ) to bilingual (Ab—Cushites/Kemitic & yoruba/hebrew ).This mean that (A—Cushitic/Kemitic)becomes dominant,while B— Yoruba/Hebrewb becomes subordinate). If AB— Cushite/Kemitic & Yoruba/Hebrew ( A—Cushitic/Kemitic and B—Yoruba/Hebrew becomes equals ), then it becomes aB— cushitic/kemitic & Yoruba/Hebrew( A—cushitic/kemitic subordinate ,B—Yoruba/Hebrew becomes dominant) i.e If Both language are spoken on equal basis based on the contact of the former group and new comer group to the community, it then becomes (‘A'—Cushitic/Kemitic ; the older community is a subordinate while the new comer group ‘B'—Yoruba/Hebrew; becomes dominant and finally to monolingual B—Yoruba/Hebrew

These three types of bilingualism may be described as,’ ‘Supplementary '( AB—Cushite/Kemitic & Yoruba/Hebrew ; in which B— Yoruba/Hebrew is only an occasional ,‘Hilfssprache', for specific purposes).

‘Complementary'( AB—Cushitic/Kemitic & Yoruba/Hebrew ; in which the two alternate according to important functions in the speakers lives),

and ‘Replacive'(aB— yoruba& Cushitic/Kemitc; in which A— Cushitic/Kemitic has become only a language used with older people while B— Yoruba/Hebrew fulfils all the important functions). Another set of terms might be inceptive, functional and residual,when these three types are seen as historically ordered in a transitional bilingualism.

Invariably, the Yoruba language is old Hebrew,even if there are borrowed words from other groups. Thus the formula above is the way Yoruba language invaded Ibira land,Edo,some Tapas,ibos, etc that mixed with Yorubas through bordering towns.


Note: The book written by ‘Einar Haugen,Ecology of Language', will be helpful.

the ugbo people of ondo state still speak the old yoruba language known as ede ife (ife language)
the current oyo yoruba were the migrants that changed the language. that could be related to hebrew or asiatic language.

brodalokie:
I have recently revealed that the word Ile-Ife was coined from English, "Life"

When you go through my last thread titled The Lamb you will understand how they came about it. The elite Yorubas are drawing their essence or inspiration from an mysterious Pale dimension when they are studying in Arabic and English, which is consequently broken down into local contents for your consumption.

Lamb means Life Ambassador or Amber. Amber is Pale color which is the sun as my brothers have said Oru, they are not far from the truth. Light is a source of light and the sun is the source. Therefore the ambassadors of light are soldiers because the word soldier means sun god, Sol is latin for sun and dio is god. Soldiers are peaceful people/ambassadors. Yorubaland is a simbol of Oru - Pale Sun - Life/Light giver - Ile-Ife.

i told you its cocoa effect.
u send your cocoa to europe and it comes back as chocolate, a simple word is good enough for the wise.

yorubas had been around before english, europeans shdnt be our base for argument.

Olu317:





No sir, three generation of darkskin person can't be called black or half caste anymore but white because it is only the first generation that can fit properly to half caste. Hence some white yorubas in Americas etc. In the same way a white skin person either man or woman married into a dark skin family will become a darkskin after three generation e.g the late Bob Marley's father was a white man but today,the descendants of Bob Marley are darkskin people.

so the arabs are whites?
the greeks and khazars and northern pple (not hausa)intermarried with blacks that produces todays arab.
They kicked the rest out of arabia, (the ijebus, edos, fiditi, aworis, egus etc

lawani:
if you marry a white woman and your children marry white, your grandchildren would be white more or less, there you have white Yoruba

no bro
u have half caste

lawani:
kemitic egyptian is ancient Yoruba language, it is not a matter of loan words. Heritage and not dna determines who we are, this is why we now have white Yoruba people in South america

is kemitic egyptian language the ife language, or the oyo yoruba language.

the white yoruba is by virtue of his religion, there cant be dna correlation with yoruba omo oduduwa.

Olu317:


IFE in Wadai ? I have would prefer you share such link because I haven't come across such except people who came through IFA's-AFA practises. I know Ouidah (Wydia ) in Bénin Republique and it is fÔn group territory and their language isn't intelligible to Yoruba language's speakers. And every other Ife was after ILE IFE in Nigeria.

migration history as recorded by sultan bello


wadai as claimed by awujale of ijebu

ImperialYoruba:


Have you ever heard the Yoruba term Samari?

This is description of a youth grade in the conscriptive age.

In other words, those who are within the age band eligible and to be enlisted into a defense force to undergo training.

Tha Samari band in Yorubaland is between about 20 to 29.

Where did this term originate?

As Nineveh is cognate of Ile Ife, or Leve, I wouldn't be surprised at all is this usage is also cognate with Sumeria or sometimes called Samaria.


My dear brother, Macof, will probably be in position to educate better on this.

post noahs flood re creation was similar to genesis 1 creation and appearance of oduduwa.
the earth was filled water, reappeared on oramfe hill and noahs ark berthed on ararat. the earth continues from their.....

pls check the video above, it might help us out with your input.
thanks

Olu317:


I am sorry I don't have it in full but a pdf .The journal I got was a pdf through Jstor. Perhaps, you can get through: https://www.google.com/url?, https://www.google.com/url?q=http://digitool.library.mcgill.ca/thesisfile75991

can u pls mail the pdf
canonbj66@gmail.com

lawani:
wadai in central African republic is ife oodaye and it is older, ife in igala is older too. We still have many ifes like amadzofe and mawufe in Ghana and etc of the gbe people

historically i'm thinking of nineveh before the flood.
Nineveh was around ur/chaldea where Abraham came from and they were all summers, the first civilisation

Olu317:
Obviously, these fake Yorubas who can do nothing but use vulgar words at others when others have more information to knock off their self claim theories without scientific, etymological, oral account to support them . For those interested ,below are some list of books that can help those who want to read and expand beyond these pseudo-scholars who don't have sources for their CLAIMS.

Renowned Authors , who have done their best in unraveling Yoruba Identity, culture, etymology etc ,among others.
1.Sixteen Cowries by William Bascom

2. Tales of Yoruba Gods & Heroes by Harold Courlander

3. Milestones and Social Systems in Yoruba History and Culture by I.A. Akinjogbin

4. West African Traditional Religion by Kofi Asaee Opoku

5. Oya: In Praise of the Goddess by Judith Gleason

6. The Cult of Sango by H.L. Ayobunmi Sosi Sangode

7. Olodumare: God in Yoruba Belief by Bolaji E. Idowu

8. Odu Ifa by Maulana Karenga

9. Black Gods: Orisa Studies in the New World by Gary Edwards and John Mason

10. Four New World Yoruba Rituals by John Mason

11. The Handbook of Yoruba Religious Concepts by Baba Ifa Karade

12. The History of the Yorubas by Rev. Samuel Johnson Pastor of Oyo

13. Africa's Ogun by Sandra T. Barnes

14. Olookun: Owner of Rivers & Seas by John Mason

15. Words and Meaning in Yoruba Religion: Linguistic Connections in Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian and Semitic by Modupe Oduyoye

16. The Imprisonment of Obatala by Obatunde Ijimere

17. Ifaism: The Complete Works of Orumula by C. Osmanolbie and C. Osamaro Ible



I remain, my humble self.......

pls i need an ecopy of infakul maisuri by sulthan bello. will appreciate your assistance, thanks
canonbj66@gmail.com

lawani:
yes but not the ptesent ife

cradle of civilistion.

myths are peculiar to culture and location. All cultures of world has its story.
Ife oodaye ibi ti oju ti'n mowa (cradle of civilisation)


Historical ife is another thing.

lawani:
fossils don't keep well in West Africa because of the climate and there are many ife sites scattered across West Africa. The present ife is not the most ancient one.

According to yoruba myth, ife was the place oduduwa descended upon to create the earth. (genesis 1).
it had been from day 1.

want2knowben:


Thank you for the citation. 'Ancient Ife: A reassessment' will make good read one of these days. I do not believe that the Yoruba or all peoples emanated from present-day Ife via the 'chicken and sand' route , especially since I am a Bible believer. I keep reading, I keep digging, I keep learning, I keep testing, including that which I already believe.

the chicken and sand analogy depicts yoruba creation story of biblical account of genesis.

check

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4X_Ez7Ecaw

need some input on this pls

SweetBuns:
.
This davido is just an incompetent he goat!
How many baby mamas do you wanna have?
Some men can't control their thing sha.
What happened to dating one woman?
This shows that most Nigerian man are more inclined towards polygamy than monogamy. Idiots

typical yoruba prince,
mee lolorun wi

Olu317:


You see, the Yoruba forebears lived in Saudi Arabia under a different name which is contrary to some people on this forum that had thought Oyo was trying hard to connect to Islam to proof a point. No Sir, Oyo information is as solid as one can imagine.Before now, some people had claimed there were no name tbat could link Yoruba to middle East but evidence abound after decades and centuries through research finding that Yoruba footprint was from the land of Or/Ur(ilu Oru)heat land. Dierk Lange ,plainly stated this and other researchers.

In fact, history has it that the first mention of Jews in the areas of modern-day Saudi Arabia dates back, by some accounts, to the time of the First Temple . Immigration to the Arabian Peninsula began in earnest in the 2nd century CE, and by the 6th and 7th centuries there was a considerable Jewish population in Hejaz , mostly in and around Medina , in part because of the embrace of Judaism by such leaders as Dhu Nuwas .

To day, the descendants of these Jewish settlement moved to Africa through the land of Egypt and fused with other Jews before gradual migration took them down to West Africa because of war.


Note: Some people who aren't with pure heart may find this as intriguing but it is true. While I was a child I heard a story of Oranmiyan who claimed to want to go and avenge his father's humiliation and I wondered what such could mean........But today,in piece by piece,Odu-revelation is being made manifest.



Cheers.

thanks for all the informations.
i can rest from this whis quest burdering me, maybe when i stumble another nut, i'll ask.

eyin le'see ree

Olu317:


Ifa is full fledge encrypted knowledge of universe and the earth's credible graudal creation. In fact, the Greek-Roman interpreters didn't catch the glimpse of it in BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION because the Yoruba Odu Ifa says in Osa Ogunda which says,

“Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,” which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.”

Who ever understand the above STATEMENT and the gradual creation of earth will realise the Yoruba Ifa is a record keeping ‘word of God'. Thus, the Ogbon-Imo-Ooyè(knowledge-Wisdom-Understanding) is the basis of the world's creation and the depth of Holiiness of God which is very eminent in Ifa Corpus.

And Yoruba tradition do not worship galaxies as did the Greek -Roman etc as Western scholars imagined. In fact, the Yoruba tradition from the eyes of Western world as regard the veneration of ancestors but celebration of heroes past while praying through these ancestors and hoping Eledaa will grant the prayers through his Àshè.......

The problems however, in some cases is the assimilation of some ancestors who were at loggerheads in the ancient time into Ifa corpus as part of the creation which made the complexity of the creation became coded. This the reason URIMILA/ORUMILA is ; LIGHT BREAK FORTH

AND WITH THE SAME MEANING WITH HEBREW'S EPHOD'S URIM; LIGHT



Cheers

just to get pronouciation right.
ashe as in amen (d r)
whats ashe (d d)

ImperialYoruba:
Bluke, where is my money so I can open up time and talk about Yathrib?

just doing historical research when i found that sultan bello report on yoruba and the oonis video to ghana.
no much knowledge on the subject.

Olu317:


Ifa is full fledge encrypted knowledge of universe and the earth's credible graudal creation. In fact, the Greek-Roman interpreters didn't catch the glimpse of it in BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION because the Yoruba Odu Ifa says in Osa Ogunda which says,

“Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,” which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.”

Who ever understand the above STATEMENT and the gradual creation of earth will realise the Yoruba Ifa is a record keeping ‘word of God'. Thus, the Ogbon-Imo-Ooyè(knowledge-Wisdom-Understanding) is the basis of the world's creation and the depth of Holiiness of God which is very eminent in Ifa Corpus.

And Yoruba tradition do not worship galaxies as did the Greek -Roman etc as Western scholars imagined. In fact, the Yoruba tradition from the eyes of Western world as regard the veneration of ancestors but celebration of heroes past while praying through these ancestors and hoping Eledaa will grant the prayers through his Àshè.......

The problems however, in some cases is the assimilation of some ancestors who were at loggerheads in the ancient time into Ifa corpus as part of the creation which made the complexity of the creation became coded. This the reason URIMILA/ORUMILA is ; LIGHT BREAK FORTH

AND WITH THE SAME MEANING WITH HEBREW'S EPHOD'S URIM; LIGHT



Cheers

what is Ashe

Olu317:
No, the Sumerians did not part to from but Yoruba ancestors migrated to that part of the land from the following information. Perhaps,it reflect on

The Sumerians called themselves ‘Saggig', which is interpreted as ‘black headed ones' because they shaved their heads The Sumerians had in their  cuneiform writing ,that they were modest and humble which is reflected in their dress, consisting mainly of a simple tunic. They were clean shaven, and also were thought to shave their heads bare.

In Yoruba land: This For a inumerable years this songs in ancient ILEIFE Says,

Omo Olu IFE Ooni bante Jogina,
L 'o mu IFE Ooni wu mi,Ori fifa kodoro 
L' o mu IFE su mi

(Worthy children of Lord Ooni(owner) of IFE, worthy Jogina apron wearers
This endear IFE Ooni to me,total head shaving,however,that repels me

Omo Oju r'abe sa, omo bante Jogina 
L' o mu IFE wu mi,Ori fifa kodoro 
L' o mu Ibé su mi

( children who flee at the sight of razor, Worthy Jogina Apron wearers,
This endears me to IFE  Ooni, worthy total head shaving children,however, that repels me)

As you can see, ancient Yoruba ancestors wore Bante; apron wearers,and Banté was not worn in west Africa until arrival of Yoruba ancestors from the land of Egypt-Morroco-Sudan- Nigeria..
Only God knew what they were wearing before the arrival of Yorubas and other migrants.

kindly advice of yoruba belief about the skies (galaxies)

[quote author=brodalokie post=73993660][/quote]

mall the els are a collection of canaanite gods, under one roof (God)

there is one universal cosmos that all mankind taped into.
the level of info you have governs your culture.
ive done several comparisons, yoruba culture fits and can interprete many missing gaps in the greco/roman culture.
But its of no use if that knowledge cant transform us.

do you get my gist.

Olu317:


Which religion rules the world? Urim—Orum(ila—Ephod—Ifa....Everything on planet earth is centered on this geomancy{lot casting}. On Judaism as it stand today is likened to the knowledge of million of people with Yoruba ancestry in South /North America and their perceived knowledge on Yoruba tradition that some non Yoruba traditional knowledge has been incorporated into it.

judaism wrestling with christianity.

Olu317:
Are you rewriting history or archeological finding? If you don't understand the difference between exodus era and Abraham's time then, it is impossible to agree on this. Although try to google the archeological discovered location known as Mountain Morem—Land of Morem (Hebrew's original name of this mountain) where it is assumed that Abraham saw the ram he killed instead of his son Isaac.(Gen 22:2).

these are facts, real facts of life of what governs us as per european culture.
this is why i'm looking inwards to yoruba issue.

thank god for lord lugard that create city states in the east

[size="20pt"]warning to all nigerians[/size=20]

Awol1:
He did not set up the panel that reviewed the bank savings but he approved their recommendations.

Every bank savings book was burnt( even the banks in places where the war never got to?).

My happiness in all is that after 40 years, we are standing shoulder to shoulder, if not better. Let's see what happens with time also.

you are irredeemable