₦airaland Forum

oyatz:
Jaja alone can't constitute the town just as a tree doesn't make a forest.


Who were the wives of Jaja and they were from which tribe? Who were the chiefs, servants, soldiers and followers of Jaja and what was their tribe?

The Ijaws. Jaja himself was baptized into the ijaw way of life before he could lead them.

OfoIgbo:
We have shown you screenshots of books some of which are about 200 years old. Many decades before Nigeria came into existence.

You are here bringing up newspaper articles and editorials of modern NBC-compliant, politically-motivated and ignorantly-put-together articles.

You want us to give you the whole books? UBANI/IBANI has no Ijaw meaning. Know that and know peace.

Pls what are the book names that you picked the screenshot from? Or u mean to say the screenshot you created?

A verified screenshot should have a source.

Taven09090:
Abohboy you're exposing yourself here, bbkay was right your an evil minority, the more you speak the more I spit in disgust I'm just waiting for one comment, one slip up to confirm that you're no better than the Ijaws. At first, I believed you but now your start piss all us off, if you don't STOP speak ignorantly or taking sides then you are an Igbo imposter.

Because he is not aligning with your line of thought? Na wa o

Abohboy:
Igbo of course he's from Imo State and before he came there were thousands of Igbo traders and traditional rulers living in the Bonny, Brasss and Opobo areas but this doesn;t discount the Ijaw indignes these areas have a mixed population of both Igbos and Ijaws but it seems today the Igbos are more numerous then the Ijaws in these areas

And he was acculturised into Ijaw ways of life. I directed the guy u quoted to go back to my op. Education is too expensive than to be repeated.

kmcutez:
Go to google, the image is there on the first page. Just do a search for Midwest referendum, Nigeria. That means Urhobo, Ijaw and Itshekiri are indigenous to Warri.

Bring your source. That is not too difficult to ask. I guess I have put u into a tight corner

Pass11:
Is king jaja Igbo or ijaw man?

Go read my op. Thanks

BKayy:
Even Premium times.
Lol. Afonjas sef

So premiumtimes is no longer source but sauce.

OfoIgbo:
We have shown you ancient documents by neutral observers that rightly showed that Igbos were the first settlers in UBANI, and you are here quoting something from some recent newspapers.

Bring source not screenshots. Thanks in advance. But I know u can't bring anything.

BKayy:
Then prove your confusion with facts from the people that met the places as independent towns not Nigerian news site of yesterday.
Quote or share one of the British or Portuguese captains narrative about the place or any other work pre 1967 Biafran war.
As for the idiocy of your assertion "Ndigbo moving into Bonny and Opubo brought about the Igbo Language and Customs". Need I remind you that those two places are Islands and Ndigbo are not amphibians? Opobo was actually linked to the mainland few weeks ago.

Lol... So the facts I dropped are no longer facts

But you re yet to bring your own source. I am not asking for a screenshot this time. Bring me source.

kmcutez:
Warri was a mixed town with home to different indigenes, hence why they just wrote Warri. Go use google. Don’t be lazy.

Lol... I am the one doing the lecturing here, don't forget. U dropped a screenshot of warri to pass as itsekiri voting for Midwest. I corrected you that itsekiri are not the only occupants. Only for you to hypocritically turn around to admit the truth while feigning knowledge I taught you.

The other occupants are Urhobo and Ijaws. I am sure you learnt something new with this.

By the way, I see that you dodged something. I asked for the source of the screenshot you dropped, but u went muted. You are busy spreading misinformation you can't support as facts. That is deceits!

DubaiLandLord:
Nah that one even make me laugh pass

Me too. I made this thread cos of the overwhelming non_sense on that thread.

kmcutez:
Does it mean there were no Itshekiri in Warri during that period? When did they migrate there?

There was itsekiri in warri but they were not alone there. And their numbers were very few at that time.

Pls can you quote the source of that screenshot? Or u just saw it online and started spreading as facts?

DubaiLandLord:
Your Igbo brothers from Anambra, Enugu, Abia, Imo and Enugu no let us rest for the past 2-3 days, chooking their mouth for Rivers state. A state that have stop been part of the East since the 60's.

One was even crying

kmcutez:
SMH. Just one man that might have been coerced. Meanwhile the citizens voted overwhelmingly for Midwest Republic.

Bring your evidences that itsekiri voted massively to leave the West. I guess you won't except some screenshots about warri.

DubaiLandLord:
If you have been to some of the Ijaw towns in Ondo state, you will never know they are ijaws unless they tell you or see the full names of the communities.

They speak Yoruba, dress like Yoruba, have Yoruba names etc. I've never seen Yorubas claiming them before.

I know them. Even Omoyele Sowore is a typical example. Most of them have absolved Yoruba culture, and Yoruba never lay claimed to them in anyways.

Ngorbungor:
Mr man what's your problem, you are neither Igbo nor Ijaw, is like you having sleepless nights since 2days ago

I like setting the record straight. I have seen a lot of lies flying about for the past few days, especially of that boy that wanted to cry cos people spoke one language. If Yoruba should start claiming lands, we will claim Edo with Bini sef cos we own their obaship. But we see beyond that. Those are people with different cultures. The only thing we share with Bini is the obaship and as for the citizens, they are not Yoruba.

That Oba of Bini have Yoruba ancestors doesn't mean his kingdom belongs to us. Same fallacy you guys want to pull on bonny cos jaja had Igbo bloodline.

kmcutez:
How was Itshekiri carved? They were part of the old Midwest via referendum.

Against their will. Olu of warri sued to challenge why they were carved out of the west to Midwest.

DubaiLandLord:
Please stop wasting your time with this things. Have been to Bonny before, all this talks of Bonny and Opobo been part of Igbo land starts and end on the internet. You will never hear of such a talk from the people of Bonny.

Na wa for this land grabbers. They actually share something in common with the Fulani they love to hate.

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BKayy:
"Men (Ndigbo, Fulani, Ijaw) fight, Women (Afonjas) tell the story"
The case of Ubani and Opobo have been done and dusted two days ago, so Afonja move along.
Facts have overwhelmed hear say. Ubani and Opubo are bona-fide Ndigbo.
Find other things to gossip about @ Afonja OP

Petty as usual

In the face of overwhelming evidences, u all crawl on ur knees

TarOrfeeek:



Ondo belongs to the Ijaws too.

But the Yorubas are marginalising the Ijaws in their own state of Ondo.

Maybe due to the Fulani treatment in Illorin.

How do you guys process your readings? Where and where did I said Ijaws are not land owners in Ondo state? As far as I know, ondo state is a political creation just like every other states in the country.

I guess you just wanted to deviate as to avoid the main topic

Oksman:
Baseless article.
Are you the spokesman for the ijaws? So the Europeans who migrated to the Americas are no longer Americans? I can go on and on. I am neither pro nor contra but your presentation is watery. Humankind is a product of migration. Even your Yoruba tribe came from Egypt as your oral history portrays, so saying that the Ijaws are non natives in Ondo is nothing but fallacy. They are indigenes of the land and you can't drive them away.
Bonny belong to Ijaws, but the area occupied by ijaw in Ondo belongs to Yorubas, listen to yourself.

You don't need to cry. With all my facts you said they were baseless but you brought nothing except your own biases to the table.

I never said Ijaws are not land owners in Ondo state. The state is a political creation just as itsekiri and okun were carved out of yorubaland to other states.

I am just setting the facts right cos the way your kinsmen were going over the issues, you will soon campaign to take over. There are numerous threads on this already... Laying claims to what is not theirs.

The issue of opobo and bonny people should be laid to rest. It belongs to the Ijaws.

yomexp:
just to chip in a point: itsekiri is mostly related to ijebu. I being an ijebu man could understand mostly what they were saying during the coronation of the current olu of Warri. Even reno alluded to that. But i wouldn't doubt if it's also related to ilaje

There are also people who thinks ijebu migrated there. But I am yet to see any historical evidence to back it up. If you have any, you can share with me. Thanks.

HornyTave:
Ogiamen means lord of water.
Sure, the Bini and Ife romance cant be written off. it will be against history to write it off. same way you cant write off the relationship of the Esan and Bini ( though both they fight for who stubborn pass - Lol )
This thing is very simple, Oranmiyan started the Oba dynasty, when he came from Ife, he met a well structured. state with chiefs, nobles and Kings. also He's the first Oba and 37th Ogiso. in Edo culture, kings are not made, they are born. if he like, make he London, the son of his sons will one day come back and be come king.

1.Oranmiyan didn't met savages in Igodomigodo, how did he become king without a fight?
2. Oranmiyan renamed Bini to Ile'Ibinu, what's the meaning of this word in Yoruba?
3. You don't know the history of a place than the king and indigene ( Oba affirmed the Oranmiyan Obaship Dynasty )
4. When you decide to enjoy history, you'll understand Africans weren't savages before the white men came

Ile ibinu means a land of anger.

So if Olu of itsekiri is a Bini prince, the stool also have ties to Yoruba kingship. And apart from that. Itsekiri people speak Yoruboid language as their native language. Closely related to ilaje currently in Ondo state unlike other lands that took up Yoruba names and language by cultural influence.

You are right about ur 4th item. Whites wrote us off as savages but histories says otherwise.

HornyTave:
The ruling house of itshekir/patriarch is the Ginuwa ruling Who was a Bini Prince. the symbols and regalia are there to ascertain this. also if you from Opkella, to Afuze, Uzeba, Amen and Ora, you'll also notice they have Yoruba names. this is due to
1. proximity
2. intermarriage

the Ozalas don't have Yoruba names ( none I know of ) but they are neigbours with Ora...

the Ozalas are like Uneme in Opkameri.

Mhen they get issues like,that

I don't know about itsekiri been a Bini prince. But u will have to agree with me that Yoruba owns the obaship in Bini. The ruling house is the permanent tenant while the ogiamien are the permanent landlords. The tenant get to rule while the land owner get to renew the tenancy agreement after the demise of an Oba. That is why ogiamien are important in coronation of new Oba of Bini. But that has stopped now from this current king. The former Oba use laws to break their backbone and render them useless.

HornyTave:
Baba, it was Oranmiyan that changed the place from Igodo to Ile'Ibinu, Oba Ewuare the first made it Edo in honour of a servant who sacrificed his life for him. it was Oba Ewuare that started the Title

Omo'Oba'nEdo'Ukwa'Apkolopkolo.

I'm an Uromi man from the ruling clan, Ebhoiyi to be precise, more reason I dont wear beads...

There are some things about your clan outsiders won't know.. all you need to do is ask.

1. ask of Agbazilo Group comprising of Uromi and Uzea.
2. ask of the ruling clan in Uromi...

Do you know Cardinal Olubunmi Okogie is from Ebhoiyi?

This supports your claims.

WesternOligarch:
me sef dey suspect the guy.... it's usually spelt as "esan" and not "ishan" plus agbazilo isn't a place in Edo state.

He used the pronunciation to spell it. Let's wait for his explanation.

HornyTave:
the piece is long. I'll read and make screenshot but pls make a catalogue of votes that was cast. like the screenshot I made.

Take your time to read it all. You will be grateful after. It has so many lessons to be learnt from it.

HornyTave:
Akungba. I passed through there when going to Ekiti...
You're well travelled. na people like you supposed deh talk history. no be to go deh do copy and paste, live among the people and eyes will open,
The Oba of Bini is actually a descendant of Oranmiyan who was a descendant of Ogiso. Simple as ABC.

I served in etsako east local govt which is in Edo north. There are many Yoruba speaking indigenous Edo people there. All these people were influenced by the old western region. Some of them takes up Yoruba names as well like the ibilos, igarra and other Akoko Edos towns that shares boundaries with Yoruba speaking ondo state. I am saying this to show how far the Yoruba culture went to influence those areas in the first Republic eventhough they are different ethnic groups.

So the issue of laying claims to itsekiri while leaving Akoko Edo shouldn't be discussed in the first place. Itsekiri is still a part of Yoruba kingdom and it will always be.

You are well traveled as well.

Ariani:
You are a bloody liar.
Itsekiris voted in vast majority to leave the Midwest. See result of the Midwest referendum here.
Itsekiris are Warri province.

You don't need to abuse me. Itsekiri are not the only ones in warri, urhobo and ijaws are there. It was Olu of itsekiri before Awolowo changed it back to Olu of warri. Learn history and stop throwing tantrums in place of it.

Read about how Olu went to court to challenge why they were cut out of west. To be factual, itsekiri and ijaw have nothing to do with the separation. Bini championed it.

Learn how the Olu was dethroned by Azikwe lead NCNC with the help of okotie-eboh, whom the Olu cursed. The Olu was later reinstated when Awolowo left prison.

HornyTave:
but you're grabbing Itshekiri. lol.

Okpameri is from Bini.


I lived in Ibilo for years, Shey you see from Isua in Ondo to Ibilo, to makeke, to ipkeshi to ojirame, imoga, I know there

U re mistaking Akoko Edo for Yoruba land. We didn't grab their lands. In the old western region, Yoruba culture spread over there. They have their own culture and language but many of them have now taken Yoruba names and language, but that doesn't change their culture. They are edoic group, same reason Yoruba can't claim Benin city. We only have something in common with their king and elites not the people itself (this is a long story).

The others Akoko in Ondo state re Yorubas. All of the towns and villages in Akoko have their respective languages no matter the size of the village. And for the Ondo Akoko, if you listen to them well, you will understand whatever they are saying (Yoruboid languages) just like Ekitis have their languages, ijesha does, Oyo etc.

I am giving u this information cos I schooled in one of their towns (AAUA) and I have read history projects from those who researched them in their papers.