absoluteSuccess:


I want to believe you are not yet through with your confusions, this is it:

You just claimed that the Yoruba empire is a textbook empire, but all the same, you made Ekaladerhan sat on Ife throne.

It did not occur to you that the same empire began with Ekaladerhan at that point anymore. You only backtrack to inject your reject.

But as a folklorist, I am asking you the identity of your man, should in case. And I did want to know if the name exist in antiquity.

Most people are sick, you rejected the story you were told about a place, then you still kept believing that history happened there at all.

Is that not the story you are denying? Why continue to patronise the same spot? What if the spot your history refers is long desolate?

Firstly, I think you are translating Yoruba into English because it is somehow difficult following your comments Do not get it wrong , it is perfectly in order to do so but the soul of the comment is lost in that form. And I do not understand Yoruba.
Secondly, from the Ooni, to the Alake ,millions of Yorubas and your strange self, remember that it is the grown man that called a little girl his wife that invited insults to himself. Binis DO NOT reckon with Yorubas in their history and tradition. The Bini way is totally different from the Yoruba's. As neighbours, we are bound to have interacted. Other than that, we are very different people. If you stop claiming Benin and relegating our revered stool under a colonial imposed hierarchy, you will not hear from the Esogban, or any other Edo, for that matter.
Thirdly, which empire in Yorubaland are you talking about? Ife? Oyo? Ekaladerhan never sat on Oyo throne. No one ever said that.
According to Benin history , Ekaladerhan became Oduduwa who reigned in Ife. That does not make Ife, or Oyo, which came after,an empire.

absoluteSuccess:


Who was Ekaladerhan?

What was the history about him?

Aqra.

Judge father -in- law , fa.

absoluteSuccess:


Who is ekaladerhan?

Do you have any story about him?

This is the reward for all foolish pseudo historians without understanding.

You wanted to localize Yoruba history, but failed to take precautions.

You argued that the east is Ife east, and this intellectual pirates jumped in.

It serves you better.

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spectroscopic:


I do not understand these claims. Do Igbos in Yorubaland get free capital from Yorubas to start their business?
Do they get free land to invest on?
Proximity to what? What raw materials are present/proximal in Yorubaland and used by Igbos in their production?

I would like to be enlightened on these. Thanks

For instance, an Igbo man has capital with which to invest. No land or seaport in Igboland to make access to goods easier. A Yoruba might not have capital to begin with .

OPCNAIRALAND:
^^^
Dude,
Stop wasting people's time. Tell your palace officials to hush, when it comes to Yoruba they are no match.

Until you can articulate a greatness for Bini that is not in anyway attached with Ife, you have failed to convince me of your claims and postulations....

Yet to see Benin claim Ife. It is the other way around.
Hehe. Bros, Benin Empire is better known than any Yoruba textbook empire. No compare. It would be better you don't go there. I had only enumerated a few earlier. Truth is , no Yoruba state had an empire, so called. Making one up to keep with the Joneses does not cut it with people like us. We know better. Even Oyo area of influence was only within some parts of Yoruba. Benin had the rest.

OPCNAIRALAND:


You dont have an Oba in Benin. You have an Omo n'Oba. The descendant of an Oba.

Who was a Bini.

spectroscopic:


My sentiments exactly. Do Igbos benefit from Nigeria more than other Nigerians?

Yes , they do. It is repatriated profits from other parts of Nigeria and beyond that is building up Igboland.

spectroscopic:

All these claims and counter claims sef. How on earth does living in Yorubaland make an Igbo man rich? If living in Yorubaland is a ticket to being rich, I wonder why all Yorubas are not rich.

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Factors of production. Capital, Land, proximity etc. They all have to be present.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Bring it here. You dont tell us to research Ile Ife history, do you? You tell it to us as if you are an expert on it.

It's Benin's turn. Bring your history here, tell it, and stop hiding behind macof. No Yoruba person deflects the history of Ife to a non Yoruba to tell. Bini must tell their own history and not deflect to Yoruba's account.

The truth of the matter, if you review threads here in Nairaland is that never has the story of Bini been told without using the greatness of Yoruba civilization as its anchor to shore credits and regal power. Never!

That nonsense is stopping now!

Since you believe you gave Yoruba its civilization and State, tell us your own beginning as a civilized and state power. Go to your beginning.

Where did Igodomigodo come from, who were the indigenes of the land prior, how was the land conquered, how did Ogiso dynasty take root, whats the chain of rulership, whats the structure of state, who were the heroes, the legends, the conquerors, the priests, .....showcase your greatness now or shut up forever and accept what Ooni said, Bini (not Edo) is a Yoruba dynasty.

Yorubas own the title Oba, no other society use Oba but Yorubas. Anywhere you hear Oba, its a Yoruba kingdom and state. Bini never used or use Oba.....you have Omo n'Oba.

You can twist Omo n'Oba into any fanciful meaning you want....but everyone know what Omo means, what Oba means....and they are not stewpid not to know what the combination of Omo and Oba stand for.

Yoruba greatness is due to its early foray into Western education. They even created the textbook Oyo empire whereas Benin Empire had exchanged ambassadors with European nations in the 17th century . Even today, a country's greatness and influence can be measured by the number of consular and cultural offices globally.
The number of non-Bini ethnic groups and places that claim founding by Benin is unrivaled. Only Egypt surpass Benin in that regard in our region.
Just go to a little corner and try think out how to whittle down Benin's greatness. Ife, Oyo, all of Yorubaland cannot come close to our historical achievement. Others have tried and died trying.
If Oba of Benin is Yoruba, then he is first. If he is not, leave Benin out of your miserable numbering . Count only Yoruba Obas.
And all I know about Ife begins with Ekaladerhan.

Francis5:




Perhaps means what? It means uncertainty? As against the certainty that Yorubas have benefitted from Igbo-related charities, even where the benefactor has nothing to do with any Yorubaland

If you were sure that Igbos have not benefited, you would have categorically stated that.
Tony Elumelu and Jim Ovia are only giving back to their host community(ies.) Remember, other Nigerians do not invest in Igboland as much, if at all.

Our foreign exchange rate is determined by market forces. It is actually madness for anyone to advocate the expending of our scarce finances and energy in shoring up the naira. All those that are currently hoarding dollars corruptly gotten during the last administration should return them and we will have a stable dollar

Francis5:


Neither can you prove definitively that Igbos in SW do benefit from non-Igbo charities in those places.

I know for sure that they do not in the North, as everything go to Muslims
In the West at least half the charities are for Muslims
The other half are for Christian Yorubas. Perhaps a few Igbos would gain from this one, but not before Yorubas have been satisfied. I only wish you can give me one example. Is that too much to ask for

You have admitted that Igbos benefit from South West charities. That is alright for me. Lol.

OPCNAIRALAND:
Bokohalal,
"At least...." is not a historical narrative.

Ile Ife can tell you the myths, deeds, heroes, legends, histories, alliances, conquests and artifacts of its civilization before, during and after Oduduwa, the Yoruba progenitor.

Odia Ofeimun did not do a good job here because he gave a one sided account of beginning.

What's the equivalent greatness on the othe other side dating back before beginning of Ogiso and epoch by epoch and timeline by markers up until Eweka became Omo n'Oba?

Even the palace has yet to articulate this missing part. Everytime they talk of their history its always in frustrated response and they repeat same story of their connection with Ife. Their link with Ife is Oranmiyan and the installation of the Omo n'Oba dynasty.

It is worth pointing out here also that Bini does not have an Oba and never have, what you have is Omo n'Oba.

Ogiso itself is a dynasty, a title used by Igodomido rulers and its narrative is empty, nothing before it and nothing in its rule.


I repeat,

Anyone care to give us an independent Bini history that is unconnected with Ile Ife....

There is copious Benin history before Oba Eweka. There are families, traditions, markets and landmarks in Benin dating from its Igodomigodo days till now. Even Macof, with all his cynicism,acknowledge this. Like I said earlier, a little research will open up your eyes .

HYPOCRITE is the person that is involved in HYPOCRISY.

Francis5:


Your argument is lame, to say the least

How did Rochas profit from Oyo State?
How did Kanu Nwankwo (who made his money abroad) profit from Lagos State?
Just few examples. You want more?

You have to be reasonable and unemotional. You have not proved that Igbos in Lagos and Oyo states have not benefited from charities based there.

Francis5:


Well you see how easily I give you examples of Igbo-owned charities that benefit non Igbos compared to you been unable to do same? Emeka Offor is not even based in Nigeria, yet the HQ of his Foundation (SEOF) is in Abuja and I know he has done a lot for all Nigerians through his SEOF. Remember Kanu Heart Foundation? It is based in Lagos and several Yorubas have been treated in India through it. Rochas Okorocha never lived in Ibadan, but his school there gives free scholarships to Ibadan citizens. I can go on and on.

Francis5, my argument has not been faulted by you. Moreover, most people give back to the community that they profited from. Not many other Nigerians are in Igboland to give back to them. It is the other way around.
If tomorrow, Good Is Good Motors builds a library in Benin City, you should not begrudge him for that.

Francis5:


What charities are these if I may ask. Can you give me an example of a charity in, for example, Oyo state that benefits Igbos living in Oyo State? I am just plain curious.

I do not know know their names but you can find out. I however doubt that an orphanage in Oyo state will reject a child because he or she is Igbo

Francis5:
Can anyone mention to me one single charity work done by a non Igbo Nigerian in Igboland? I would be happy to see and learn about any.

I see it differently though. I think Igbos have benefited more from the Nigerian Project than any other group.
In most States of Nigeria outside the South East, Igbos make up the largest non indigenous population. Invariably, they end up benefiting more from the charities in their host states than other Nigerians that are sprinkled all over.
A charity does not have to be situated in Igboland to be of benefit to them.

OPCNAIRALAND:
Binis are using Ile-Ife and Oduduwa to legitimize their throne, either in the pro or the con....but I am yet to see a fully structured narrative of Bini's beginning and evolution up until the presence of Eweka.
Where did Bini come from, how did it sprout, from who, who were the indigenous owners of the land, what was their civilization before Ogiso? Tell us your myths, your legend, heroes, customs.
Anyone...

At least Benin was in existence before Oduduwa. His son came to Benin to RULE.not FOUND.
If you had opened up your mind to learning about others you would have found the perfect answer to your question.

macof:


ode. there's two Oduduwa
one a myth describing the creation of earth...the one you're talking about in ur post
the second a king from one of the component communities of Ife...the one we should be talking about


Oduduwa got no origin from bini. .. tell us why he was nt buried in bini or why no reference was ever made to Bini. .. Or why Obaship in Yorubaland was not modeled after the Ogiso? at least the Obaship in bini is in many ways like that of Ife. .to show its Ife origin

Does Macof know that his emotional tribal comments do not make sense?

macof:


that's the difference between Bini and yoruba people. while we both give divine attribute to the Obas, yorubas have reserved the right to "refuse bullying" from our leaders....that's why tyrants never have it easy in Yoruba history. . ..the same cannot be said of Bini who are stuck with a man as leader and have no say in what he does. Call it Master - slave relationship. ..this is the cause of the delusion that Omo n'oba n'edo is higher than other Obas like Alaafin and Ooni which is so far from the truth

I have tried my damned best to ignore your bigoted logic being spewed on several threads.
The pomp and pageantry, the power and influence of an Omon Oba over his subjects is unrivaled by Yoruba kings. There is no bullying. Oba Ewuakpe's story should be instructive enough to show the contract between the subjects and their king in Benin.
Do you really think, in your wildest imagination, to ever read of a Bini Oba fighting his Olori in the marketplace? There are kings and there are KINGS. OBA n ose Oba , reigns in Benin City.
By the way, why have you not commented on Odia Ofeimun's article on why the Oba of Benin is first among "Yoruba" Kings?

PeterKbaba:


The Alaafin of Oyo is 100% Yoruba. Then that makes the Benin cousins to the Yoruba's. They only dispute should be about Hierarchy

Your comment was also addressed by Ofeimun. PLEASE, read the very last sentence of the article.

OgbeifunErom:
I hope people understand Odia's argument

It is much deeper than the headline suggests

For instance , there is no way on earth that the OP of this thread can ever comprehend that essay

I didn't see this thread earlier. I posted the explanation in another thread of the same title. Odia Ofeimun's conclusion is pure commonsense and infallible logic. Waiting for the Yoruba history professors to come and tell us who was Oranmiyan's first son.

PeterKbaba:
[b]

My simple questions for the Benins will be:

How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months).
How did he survive without food and water for this period?
How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)?
What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand?
How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland?

If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty?
If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso.....

My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line).

Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship.
End of Story[/b]

If you read Odia Ofeimun's article up there you would have been more intelligent.
According to Ofeimun, even if, while not conceding, that Benin asked Ife for a king, by sheer ascendancy of birth, Oba Eweka was Oranmiyan's first son and reigned in Benin . He then moved over to Oyo were he ruled and passed the throne over to another son. In that case, the Oba in Benin is senior to the Alaafin and the Ooni in Ife where he eventually ended up and birthed another son. That by Primogeniture, as recognized by our tradition, Oba of Benin came first. Commonsense.

obailala:

Let me tell you a short story of what happened when the oil prices began to crash, just between October 2014 and May 2015 when GEJ handed over:

(1) The Naira fell from N166/167 to N220 to $1, meanwhile oil still sold at about $65/barrel as at May 2015.
http://abokifx.com/previous-rates-2/

(2) The nation's foreign reserves dropped from ~$38.5bn to $28.7billion, that's a drop of about $10billion in 7 months, with oil still selling at about $65/barrel as at May 2015.
http://www.cenbank.org/intops/Reserve.asp

(3) Nigeria's GDP growth rate which was maintained at an average of 6-7% suddenly dropped to its lowest since 1999 of 2.3%.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp-growth-annual

(4) Due to a severe cash crunch occasioned by fall in oil prices, the Nigerian government had to borrow about $2.4billion dollars early in 2015 to pay salaries. The FG could not also pay accumulated arrears of fuel subsidy since August 2014 to petroleum importers (this led to the fuel scarcity in May 2015 just before the handover and Lai Mohammed also blamed this owed fuel subsidy as the reason behind the fuel scarcity late last year)
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/05/nigeria-borrows-to-pay-salaries-with-cash-crunch-worsening/
http://www.channelstv.com/2015/12/21/lai-mohammed-blames-fuel-crisis-on-past-administration/

Note that all of the above happened at a time when oil still sold above $65/barrel; today oil sells for about $30/barrel

Now I do not want to imagine the kind of economic humanitarian crisis that would have enveloped Nigeria had GEJ continued in his usual manner of dipping his hands into the forex reserves; only God saved us as a nation else we would have been standing on long queues by now to receive one cup of rice daily from W.H.O or UN outlets.


Did I just hear you say continuity of those four (4) negative events I just pointed out above?
Are you aware that the FG under Buhari has not borrowed to pay salaries? It even bailed out the states
Are you aware the FG has paid off subsidy arrears owed to oil importers even since the days of GEJ?
Are you aware the FG/CBN has been able to maintain virtually the same forex reserve amount that it inherited till date?... Unlike GEJ that crashed it by $10billion in 7 months of oil price crash?
And now all these have been done when oil sells for less than half of what it was when GEJ was handing over and you think the present government is more useless?? I challenge you to tell me that these figures and indices I have written here are wrong, kindly explain to us your 'empirical' evidence.

E-wailers are gonna wail some more after reading the above.

Ego and owo are not Edo terms for money. The one, only and correct way of saying MONEY in Edo is IGHO.
IWINOSA= GOD'S HANDIWORK

IRENE= I HAVE COME

OSAIVBIE= GOD DOES NOT SLEEP

TWINS = IVINEVA

GRANDMOTHER = IYENOKHUA

FAMILY = EGBE ( USUALLY ), OGBE

MOTHER OF TWINS = IYE-IVINEVA

HOUSE = OWA

saxywale:

As you can see, the op is a liar and he is full of sh*t.
The 1st picture is Alaafin bowing in the presence of the king before Sijuwade.
The 2nd picture is Alaafins elder brother Oni popo of popo kneeling for the present Ooni.
The 3rd picture is Akenzua II, the father of the current Oba of Benin, he is also Alaafin's elder brother visiting a past Ooni.

Hehehe! Oba Akenzua, indeed. Is that the VII or the IX?

Hehe.

Anini lovers.

LGDON:
Another yoruba cow*ard claiming to be benin

Hehehehe! You dey mind the yeye OP.
Unlike any other Nigerian ethnicity, an Edo can NEVER fight against the Omon n' Oba. Hermaphrodite, you are not an EDO

bllaster:


This was you comment;

oodua1stson:
ok. I agree with you. But why do Bini people have Yoruba names? Why don't Yoruba people have Bini names?



Remember Alexander the great conquered Egypt and till today there is a city in Egypt with the name Alexander


The English conquered our country that's why we have people here with English names.



If truly the Bini conquered Yoruba land, why don't we have their names? And why do they have our names?

I answered and educated you up there.