₦airaland Forum

kettykin: Possibly if Jacob Zuma and Mandela could be wrong then Millions of others including Nobel Prize winners will not be wrong, if this man was a Bigot and a local hero like Awolowo why would the whole world be mourning him.

[size=20pt]World mourn Achebe[/size]
http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathan-governors-mourn-achebe/

I'm not saying that chinua achebe was not a great man of literature, he was, but unfortunately he was ONLY a great man of literature, he was'nt a man who believed in progress, he was'nt a man who believed in unity, and he was'nt a forgiving man, wole soyinka is a great man to many Nigerians not only cos he is well learned, but cos he is a man of the people, someone who believes in Nigeria, someone who has always fought for the people of Nigeria, like someone mentioned he was'nt a biafran, but he went to jail because of biafrans, that's someone with integrity and who believes that in the worst situations there is always hope, is wole soyinka dies today he will be remembered for many things not only cos of literature but his numerous ways he has done to propagate peace and oneness in Nigeria, chinua achebe lost hope in Nigeria, and instead of him to keep these negative views to himself he went as far as writing books predicting all sorts of doomsday scenarios for Nigeria and Nigerians, what a shame, smh,

Dede1: You are one among many reasons Nigeria is a dead-end piece of junk. Achebe was and remained one of few major contributors to Africa’s progress. You are too ignorant to even begin to comprehend Achebe’s contribution to the progress of entire African continent. In USA, authors of text books that hold rare knowledge are valued more than an idiotic politician who claimed to have granted free education, built TV Station, roads, bridges or stadia by using public fund. An author used his\her natural endowment, time and money to publish books so that drooling airheads such you had the opportunity to spew crap.

If moronic dingbats such as you had followed a bit of Achebe’s preaching and forget the never-do-well structure on a sandy foundation such as Nigeria, the region would have experienced explosion of progress and mutual corporations among nation states rather than ethnical and sectarian massacres prevalent in Nigeria today.

I shall never want to have you as a compatriot.

I expected comments like yours, I won't insult u my gooD man, cos I know where u're coming from but like I mentioned earlier, the truth is indeed bitter, I would like u to name chinua achebe's contributions to sustainable growth in this country, what does the okada rider or the market woman think of him? This was a man whose pen was indeed mightier than the sword, but what did he do with his pen, he stooped so low to insulting Nigerians and Nigeria, this man was so full of hatred, even the ikemba of Nnewi chief odumegwu ojukwu (a man I love and respect so much) forgave Nigeria for aLl that happened during the war, that he even contemplated running for the presidency, that shows u the kind of man he was, a man who truly loved his people and wanted the best for them, he wished them the best, unlike achebe who till he died was a war monger,

I know I'm going to get lots of insults thrown on my person after creating this topic, but to me the truth is better, I'm not a tribalist or an ethnic bigot, on the other hand I'm a proud Nigerian, one who believes that there is still hope for our great nation, I grew up reading literary works of chinua achebe, and I enjoyed his master piece (things fall apart) so much that I always re enacted this story whenever I was bored while growing up, the author of the book seemed bigger than life to me then, but growing up I discovered one thing about this man, he was a sadist, a pessimist, and a bad critic, he never saw the country Nigeria amounting to anything, he was always quick to condemn from the high pedestal which the "white man" put him, no doubt he has made Nigeria proud in the aspect of literature, but what has he done to help build this country? This is a man who spent half his life abroad pointing out problems of this country, but never offering sound possible solutions to these problems, this man hated his father land so much that he refused a national award twice, I believe that his refusal to accept the national awards stemmed from his hatred of his fatherland, not solely cos he felt the governments had failed the people, this man was not a man of the people as most people are claiming, rather he was a man against the people, he was a doomsday individual, he was hoping for the collapse of this our great country, he hated the market woman, the taxi driver and even the lawyer, he saw Nigerians as a people who could never change for the better, chinua achebe made us proud with his literary works, but aside from that he did not contribute enough for the over all development of this country, we've heard of great doctors who left the western world to come and practice in bush Africa, these men are the kind of people we should look up to, let me not say more, but I believe I have made my views known, may his soul rest, I hope he is buried in the United states.

Emusan: Are you saying scientific theories are accurate and free of errors?
Scientist are they not humans?

I know you based most of your saying on scientist or physicist but let me ask you this and if you provide accurate answer I won't preach Christ to you again:
why other planet obey SUN?

Don't redirect me to any site or google pls.

my good man, I don't seem to understand your question, but I'm gon try to answer it as best as I can, scientists are humans, and no human is perfect, but before scientists accept a theory, that theory must go tru a series of critical analysis, and if it survives it becomes a fact that will be accepted by other scientists from different religious and ethnic groups, but sometimes some theories that were considered right at a certain time, were later proved to be wrong at a later time, thus it will be improved upon or changed, but that's not the case wit christianity, the bible is a book that claims to be extraordinary, but is not given extraordinary scrutiny, about d sun, there are billions of galaxies in this universe and these galaxies have billions of stars and planets, the sun just haPpens to be our star,

GooseBaba: Fanatics! Instead of make una tell the guy how to manage the situation and arrange solution for him love life ... Una dey here dey preach about una god..gods full every where remain no one holy pass... All of them dey claim one thing...

Ifa worshiper come una go condemn him god, musulumi come una go condemn, atheist come una go condemn, guru maraji una go condemn, village juju una go condemn! Somebody say una god is too dramatic una go begin quote scriptures dey condemn people to una pit of hell... Till today I never see babalawo wey take loud speaker dey condemn other gods while promoting his/her own...person wey dey fear na him dey shout pass..person wey get liver no dey make noise..

abeg helep me tell dem ooo,

arbitrage: The fact that you believe in the Gen 6:6 report shows that you believe in the fact that the biblical God carried out the deluge (the Flood). Am I right? If so, the world's various proofs of the flood (like mount Ararat and areas in Armenia - Noah's route) can be stated as authenticating creationism and disproving evolution. I wouldn't know if you get my import. If you believe that the biblical God made mistake in creating man and so destroyed the world with flood (sparing Noah) as stated in Gen 6:6 you quoted, you are invariably authenticating or confirming that He exists and that creation story is a substantiated theory.

Do you believe in aliens as some reported in some places and/or as seen in sci-fiction movies? I expect a free-thinking philosopher or evolutionist/scientist to do. So, are those so-called aliens the product of evolutionary trends or are they the mini evil spirits you accused biblical God of sending forth here and there? If aliens are real, are they from evolutionary process too like man on earth? If they are not real and you believe that biblical God sent forth mini evil spirits, then you are confirming again that the biblical God and His creation story/theory are real. So if the biblical God is real with His mini evil spirits and their negative intentions as you portrayed Him, you are invariably saying that creation is true and real. So the question is, can creation and evolution be real for this same cosmos at the same time? If therefore biblical God is real and hence creation true, why are you today (2013 AD) disproving creationism and supporting evolution?

If evolution is true and creationism untrue, did your evolution god ever make mistake? Why then are there some imperfections in life like cleft palate, conjoined twins, etc? Is it the evolution god or creation God that made mistake? What is your take on those who are not religious or church-goers or Muslims but are killing with guns, gangs, drug pushers and causing havoc too? Which god do you blame on their behalf just as you blame biblical God for your grouse with Christians?

my good man, thanks for sharing your opinion, I appreciate, I really do, BUT, when it comes to the biblical account of history, you'll discover lots of errors and deliberate misinformation, why? Cos d bible is a book written by mortal men with the intention of propagating fear and timidity, most christians seem to forget that at a pont in history when christianity had a grip over the world, and that time is refered today in our history books as the "dark ages" it beats my imagination to think that a religion that is supposed to bring light into the world, instead cast the world into darkness, we owe everything we seem to be enjoying now to science, from this nairaland to u going to church on sunday, we owe nothing to christianity, na long story, but I hope that there will come a time where free thought would be preached freely to every body in Nigeria,

Emusan: I quiet knew that you formulated this story to say somthing about God again.

Nothing like freethinker I know well you are among of those following scientist & physics to use instrument to find God.

You don't believe in God but you believe in "energy which cannot be created".

I know for you to believe in God it will take God Himself to do that.

on the contrary my good man, this story is very true, this story is not a figment of my imagination, it's very true, and seeing most comments here I've taken my final decision, ignorance might be bliss to some of u, but to me ignorance is death, wallow in ignorance my good man, as for me, I choose logic and sound reasoning,

Emusan: They can never answer this question beside I often wondered where atomic particles came from to formed all the planets and the sun, and the temperature that exist during the formation. Physicist cannot prove beyond all these.

. The problem with creationism is in it's self, if u claim everything has a beginning and that everything was created, then something had to have created the creator, cos there's no way u'll tell me the creator had been existing without it being created, and by the way the biblical God is a God who makes mistakes (gen 6v6) and behaves like a vengeful evil spirit, sending forth mini evil spirits here and there,

asanwaph: It is only a f.o.o.l dat says in his heart that there is no God, no apologies, u are a F.O.O.L. Repent

do u know that atheists all over the world are thinking of adopting april 1st ( all fools day) as our own day of celebration since we can not join other folks in celebrating christmas, hanukah or sallah, lol, I love that scripture, "only the fool says in his heart there is no God"

Chrisbenogor: Dear OP,
I have been in your position before, funny enough it was a good learning curve for me. "You don't have a personal relationship with God" she says, and I thought something was wrong with me. I went to church prayed and prayed, begged God to not let her go but alas what happened? She still left, it was one of the many things that made me realize that prayers were fruitless. I decided to embrace my stance fully and gave no excuses for it.

Today though, like someone said I have learned to watch who and whom I discuss my religious beliefs with. I am not stupid enough to be fighting for any cause so I just shut my mouth when I am surrounded by bible touting Christians, I learned that to explain your position you have to gauge the level of intelligence of the person, and you have to pass your point as subtle as possible to the other person. I do not subscribe though to deceiving someone you want to share the rest of your life with. From the very onset before we do decide to go into anything just like checking your genotype I say hey this is what I believe and MOST IMPORTANTLY here is why.

You must realize that by default people think you need church to have a moral code, this is where you explain to her what your own moral code is ( if you do not have one you need one ) and how you see the world. Like me I do not hug the lines closely on either side (being extremely good or being extremely bad), I say it how it is and what it is, the goal is do not deceive her, no matter what she has to know. You see more than anything else in the world we all want to be in relationships with people who first of all feel "accountable" to us, we want to be in relationships with people whose "word is their bond" regardless of tribe, religious beliefs etc.

Having said that the world is not a perfect place, religion is so important to some people that they would not compromise on it. So expect people to run away, you also need to be careful to watch if her answer to you is based on the "running chemicals" in her head and be man enough to end it there and then. Do not also always expect that the fact that someone is not religious equates to the person being good enough and vice versa.

In summary, there are good people and there are bad people, Christian - Muslim - Ifa worshipper - Yoruba - Hausa etc, you have to look if you would be a perfect match, if you can compliment that person and like wise the person complimenting you, I know for a fact that I cannot be in a relationship with myself or someone like me, its gets boring.

sound advice mann, thanks,

femiero: Don't ever compromise your beliefs for anything. Not even love because in the end you will never be happy. If you change to being a christian or whatever, you will be pretending to be what you are not and is she worth it? Will she do same for you? Ask her if she considers being a freethinker for you sake. If she says "No", then that's your go. It might hurt but you will find the one that accepts you for your beliefs. All the best.

thanks mann, this is one of the best advice I've gotten so far, # true dat,

ooman: If she loves you, she will accept you with your "weakness". Love is - "In sickness and in health, in strength and in weakness".

If she cannot overlook your conviction about life, then you can be sure there are a lot more things she will have problems with when living with you.

I wouldnt say you should leave her, but i will tell you to wake up from dreamland of love, hold your stand, if she leaves, then look for another.

thanks man, what u're saying is true, mr thermodynamics,

okpara ugo: Steeu.p1d boy. U wan repent because of woman. Hahahaha...

hahahaha, I tire for myself ooo

BoboYekini: like you and i know, its a very nigerian thing...i think now that i may have to relocate to Australia in search of an agnostic partner.

ma broda, hahaha, australia far ooooo, but sincerely I believe that there are good freethinking babes in naija, wish u all the best,

Well I agree with cleric, although I'm a freethinker, I see gambling as something that should be done in moderation, like every other thing we do moderation is the key to leaving a fulfilling life, going by biblical standards anything done in excess is considered sin, be it over eating or binge drinking, so I don't see gambling as something bad, as long as u don't overdo it, but like jesoul mentioned, monies gotten from quick rich schemes don't stay for long, so u had better start thinking of more worthwhile ways to make money,

BoboYekini: Welcome to the club lol. If I begin to count the number of missed chances I've had with babes ontop dis agnostic matter, ile asu ile amo.
On a serious note, is it that there are no agnostic girls out there? Or they have evolved to the level where they'd rather pretend to be religious and thus be acceptable to society? You never know with these devious females *kidding*

why do people fear what they don't understand? It's baffling ma guy, why can't these chicks accept us for who we are,

I saw this thread and I just had to comment, I dated a girl once, she was very beautiful, one of the most beautiful girls I have dated, she had a big a.ss, and she was nice and caring, and I thought she had big boobs, until I saw them, my gosh they were as tiny as a lil girls tits, I was deceived cos she loved wearing padded bra, and before we had sex she was nervous about taking off her bra, cos shE knew I loved em big, but to cut d story short I had to end it wit her, and I went back to my ex who had the it just the way I liked, morale of the story, u should be worried, but just be yourself, if things don't work out between d both of u, don't beat urself over it, a nice guy who loves dem titys small will surely come ur way,

[quote author=2buff]How she got into a relationship with you in the first place is a wonder.
What was she thinking? [/quote hahaha, cos I'm a nice guy ma broda, if u were in her shoes, u would'nt have been able to resist me,] lol

Amya: In the 10 years you've known her, didn't she know about you beliefs or lack of? Well, if she can be open-minded enough, I don't see a problem in that union. The reasons are see (which could be avoided) is. . .

1. Whatever you do, there should never be a conversion argument. She shouldn't try to change you and you shouldn't try to make her a free thinker like you.

2. If the relationship leads to marriage, in what belief should the kids be raised in.

Oh well, this union can't work, so don't even try.

we lost contact for a while, I used to be a "fire breathing" christian before I turned to freethinking, and I kinda kept my views to myself, she says she needs someone who is spiritually strong, if we ger married I would love our kids to be brought up in the strict christian way, when they become adults they can choose what to believe in then,

pendo89: I beg to differ.This is the biggest mistake people make in a relationship.Please understand that the girl has her values rooted deep in christianity and she is simply obeying the command 'do not be unequally yoked with a non-believer'.
Tell me something.Suppose you converted just to win her heart,who between God and her would you say converted you?
And after you have her in the box wouldn't the so called conversion lose meaning?
Give her space to make her choice.But don't change for her sake because that is circumstancial Love.
Love is not forced.If she can't love you for faith's sake then relax and let God himself deal with you at his own time not hers.

thanks dear, sound advice,

Yield: I don't agree with sauer. You ought to share your religious views/lack of it with someone you're in a serious r-ship with, otherwise that's being dishonest.

I definitely don't agree with frank 3.16. Pretending to be someone you're not in a r-ship means you're living a lie. Again it's dishonesty, which'll eventually lead to disaster.

hmmm, nice advice, but I believe I can make it work, I don't see it as dishonesty, I see it as diplomacy, even in the bible lot lied a righteous lie, and even abraham lied righteously too, so I believe mine's not different, thanks for the advice though,

frank3.16:
now this is romance section, why are u guys tutning it into religion. the guys says he is a freethinker, how that one concern anybody here, it his choice and his right. if you can advice him, why not leave him the hell alone.

guy @saure said it all, just pretend u are aa christian, u have nothing to loose by doing that. follow her to church, even do wedding in churh with her, do baptism and everything.
afterall most people who go to church and claim bornagain are worse than u. they even preach in church and still sleeep with their fellow chruch members. no one will condenm dem just as long as they claim to be christians. if u need to get along, just pretend u are one of them. its just like igbo man who learns hausa to get alone with them, it does not make him a hausa man.

tell her u are now a christian, u dont even have to act it. she just needs to hear it thats all

yes boss, you and saur are telling me exactly what I wanted to hear mann, thanks a lot bro, I'm already on it,

Tenderly1: Bololo please dnt think you can bring a frëethinker to the house. Better go and repent.

hahahaha, sup blood, I miSs u guys,

Let's focus on the issue at hand tweeps, leave ooman to his "scifi ideas" @pyguru, muskeeto said it all, no need thinking of committing suicide, and one thing u should know is that, for every action there's a reaction, so don't think that since u no longer believe in a higher power u should go about anything u feel like doing, there's all always an end result to everything we do, be it good or evil, for example if u decide to start having indiscriminate sex cos u think it's not a sin cos u're an atheist, when u contract STIs don't go blaming anybody, everything u do has to be in moderation, if u are looking for something worthwhile to do, take up a cause, it could be about saving the world, saving kids, saving whales, anything u think would give u satisfaction,

It's coincidence my goodman, just like the prophecies of nostradamus were, u can link anything to anything, I'm sure about 200 years ago someone like u would have tried linking the eagle and the black horse with a certain world power at that time, relax ma broda, the world's not coming to an end in our life's time,

sauer: guy,
I understand your predicament cos I've been there. Am agnostic, but more atheist than agnostic. I've had a lot of girls refuse to associate with me based on my beliefs. Once they know what my stand is regarding all the nonsense called christianity, I could almost immediately feel their reluctance about going all the way. That was back then though.

Subsequently, I learned to take a better approach to handling all of this. At work, in relationships, I just refuse to mention what my beliefs are except it's absolutely critical to do so. I used to leave rooms or situations where someone was preaching some noisy word of god. Now, though, I'd stay and just go about my own business.

Methinks, your mistake is revealing your religious stance to her in the first place. I guess she's scared, cos she'd consider a fellow religious person more predictable. That's what it's about, bro. One minute, and anything you do wrong can be easily tied to your not believing in god. However, you could be a freethinker and she'd never know. You'd be nice to her and be everything. The day she finally does know, your relationship would have bonded so tightly that it won't be based one bit on religion or any other external factors.

At this stage, the egg is broken. You might as well do away with her. I don't know. Perhaps you love her too much to do that. But what's a freethinker getting so involved with love for, anywyz? Try keep your head straight. We know it's all chemicals in there causing all that gobbly (whatever that means!) feeling. Why not find a fellow freethinker partner in the first place? Then there wouldnt be problems. InkedNerd is one of them sweetest freethinkers on NL. So are a couple others. Yes, there are Nigerian girls who are freethinkers!

mann, I'm short of words mann, u just hit the nail on the head ma broda, thanks a lot for the advice, I used to keep my views to myself but sometimes I just can't help it when one ignorant pastor comes around and starts spewing trash, it gets to me, but I get what u're trying to say and I appreciate mann, God bless, (ooops) lol,

eyenCalabar: Well well well, should I say you got some things wrong? Yes, you did. 1. Being "born again" is not being a Christian. It just those two words used in the Christian religion to tell one where the Christian journey starts. 2. True Christianity is not a religion. It is the [personal] relationship one has with God through His son, Jesus Christ. There is nothing about mind control in my walk with God because I see signs and wonders everyday. What you did was just a kind of generalization thing which doesn't exist. There's a higher life in Christianity. Christianity is patience, believe, faith, hope and love among other things.

yes boss, there are miracles happening everyday, but these miracles are been performed by so called men of God who use occult knowledge for their personal gains, and the gullible christians fall prey to these evil schemers, I can assure u that no matter how long u pray u can not heal a blind man, but the good master said in the bible "greater things shall ye do" but that seems not to be the case, christianity is a religion, and religions are always about a personal relationship wit your deity/God,

dmcdad: Thats where u got it wrong bro... Christianity is rather a way of life and not a religion. The name erupted when the Apostles and the other people with them lived their lives in one-accord as brethrens. That was where the people called them Christians (christ-like) at Antioch.

So, its just a Christ-like way of life l and shouldnt be regarded as a religion.

I get what u're trying to say my good man, but I hope u agree wit me that christianity stands or falls by the bible, if the resurrection of jesus is proved to be false, then there would be no christianity, and right now there's ample proof to doubt the authenticity of the four gospels, the gospel of mark (in it's original greek form) which is considered the oldest, does'nt consider jesus a son of God, but merely a man, I could go on and on, but thanks all the same,

byvan: How can you compel yourself to believe what you don't believe??

yeah u can dear, how do u think the russians managed to put spy priests in the vatican? It's all in the mind my dear,

eyenCalabar: Well, it all depends on who is trying to explain Christianity to you, which also boils down to the church you were before embracing paganism. Personally, at one time I was a pagan and later I decided to give Christianity a trial and it convinced me. Truthfully, my life has never been the same since then. So many things about me changed and at some point it was like I was just empty and powerless but something kept telling me no, you are not empty nor powerless, greater is He that is in you that he that is in the world and I believed. I kept building and building my faith on God's Word with that consciousness of who really I am. And I tell you that it has been wonderful with no regrets whatsoever because I know how my life was before God's Word came to me. And guess what, it was because of a girl. So much love I had for fair girls back then. What actually happened was that she traveled and spent sometime outside the state and told me on phone that if I was serious about her I should get a church and become a Christian like her. So while lying on my bed one night, I said to myself that I can't give up on this girl to any other guy and made up my mind that night to join any church around. But then something happened, when she came back, she told me that she never wanted me to join the particular church I did and I said to her that there's no going back. I can't be moving from one church to another because of her ...and I have been there since then. But she...?

hmmmm, nice advice my mann, thanks for ur concern, but when it comes to christianity I've been there and done that, I used to be a hard core born again christian until, I started practicing different religions, I've searched for d truth and before becoming a freethinker, I did a lot of research and experiments, (religious experiments) and I concluded that christianity like the other religions, is something that was created to control the masses, (feeble minded) religion is mind control plain and simple, I can't go into detail, but thanks all the same,

dmcdad: Oops... I now see why the girl cant date or have anything to do with you because your beliefs are totally different...

If I were in her shoes too, I would do the same... Smh

lol,

byvan: Please let her go for her sake.

can't I try being a christian and see how it goes?