₦airaland Forum

HungerBAD:
The US can kiss where the Sun does not touch, they should mind their business and stop looking for people to bully.

Mumu


Where bullying enter this matter now?

Omeny:
GEJ performed and tried his best!
Let's allow that chairman rest pls

PMD will do his best too and go! No one is a saint we all have our defaults!

Well that's news to me and i think the masturbators!! We all know their saint

omooba969:
u amuse me u dis boy, seriously u do. 'must be dat u r just full of words @ur disposal or u r struggling to make ur point.

Look hear son, during WWII there was a common enemy ”Hitler & his crew” & d war was better understood. There were war-front & battle fields, obviously there were also fightings in d streets, towns & cities wen d germans invaded. Some countries did not even put up any form of resistance despite knowing dat invaders were coming e.g czechoslovakia.
So wen it was declared dat d war had ended, it indeed ended.

Our galant soldiers r not @war wit a regular army but a monster( terrorism ) wit many tentacles of which boko menace is one of dem, therefore a different approach is required.
FYI no country can declare an end to war on terrorism--FACT!

Bck to d subject, u nw deem it fit to launch @our dear soldiers who put their lives on d line so dat YOU & I can live in peace in our homes. U shud rather direct ur misguided anger @d mastur.bating generals who feed fat on d army's resources, farting in their offices in abuja while dis said soldiers were made to face boko boiz wit inadequate military hardware. At some point, d soldiers even lacked d will to fight; dat means there's problem wit d leadership.

So guy, plz pocket ur sentiment cum ignorance & give love a chance in ur heart.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Am tempted to school you in history but a little research won't kill you, besides, its good for your brain. It was Hitler and his crew vs the rest of the world then abi!!! How simple, cut and dry for you it is then......just google WWII partisans and then come back and tell me if boko haram tactics of hit and run, attrition, occupation are anything new in modern warfare lols, you know so little yet make claims to knowing so much after educating yourself, come back and tell me how strictly conventional WWII was

So according to you, no country can declare an end to war against terrorism right? well, that's news to me but when did you get this revelation? Don't tell me it was post GEJ now? If it was, what then were your expectations of GEJ as president? Are they different from your expectations from buhari as president as regards boko haram? If so, why? Nevertheless Buhari must declare and end to the war on boko haram as per his campaign promises and that's the only outcome acceptable afterall he vanquished a not so different maitatsine insurgency in the 80's didn't he ?

Still on the subject, the soldiers whose recall am against didn't put their lives on the line when asked to instead they found numerous convenient reasons not to and i would consider it a grave insult to the soldiers who continued fighting despite any assumed or apparent inconveniences and even dying in the process to put these cowards, mutineers, traitors, fifth columnists on the same pedestal with them. Also except you don't know how to read and understand what i have been trying to say since don't come here claiming am not appreciating their efforts and sacrifice, and except it was the military who recalled these soldiers back, the president has destroyed military moral (the same moral you claim to be advocating for) and discipline in the army by recalling these men with stained records, the president is in other words saying the same institution that has found them wanting in quality of service rendered should accept them back because he knows better afterall why should i be loyal and follow orders if i can just mutiny and wait it out for a favourable government to recall me?

And since inadequate military hardware has become your favourite jingle, please tell me, what constitutes adequate military hardware for an infantryman?

And what will constitute adequate hardware should we be fighting against vastly superior militaries like the U.S, china and russia? Seeing as we will never be adequately equipped enough against such adversaries i guess mass resignations, mutiny and desertions would be acceptable going by your logic

And i guess those that didn't stop fighting from the beginning till now had a different leadership abi?

You call me sentimental and ignorant without even looking at yourself in the mirror first
Shame on you for that
And am sorry and sad for both you and many other Nigerians if you can't see the many pitfalls this act by buhari has created that the military wouldn't stop regretting.


And don't call me boy or son again, you don't know me well enough at all to make any assertions as to my age

Olaolufred:
WHERE IS YOUR OWN PROOF THAT THEY ALL HAD THEM?

OR ARE YOU AN SUBJECT OF ASSUMPTIONS?

You are the one so certain that they only have pestles and chopsticks to fight with so prove it ........... Or are you just full of assumptions yourself?

No surprises there!!

Happiness87:
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Drop your twitter handle

Olaolufred:
THIS YOU HIGHLIGHTED BOX HAD BEEN OPENED BEFORE BUHARI WAS ELECTED.

WHEN 850 MILLION NAIRA WAS SPENT TO FIGHT BOKO HARAM YEARLY SINCE 2010, YET OUR MEN ARE TURNING THEIR BACK IN THE DAYS OF BATTLE BECAUSE A 15 YEAR OLD BOKO HARAM SOLDIER IS 10 TIMES EQUIPPED MORE THAN A NIGERIAN PDP'S ARMY.

PLEASE STOP DECIEVING YOURSELF.

THE POLITICIANS AND BIG BELLIED ARMY CHIEFS CUM POLITICIANS WHO STOLE THE MONEY(850X4=3.4 TRILLION NAIRA BETWEEN 2010 AND 2014) BUDGETTED FOR WELFARE AND RE-EQUIPPING OF COMBATANTS IN WAR FRONT SHOULD HAVE GONE TO SAMBISA SWORDS ONLY.

THEN WE CAN KNOW THEY, ALEX BADEH, MINIMAH, AMOSUN, AND THE FOURTH ARE HEROES THAT DESERVED BEING A GENERAL.

THEY STOLE MONEY AND SAY THE POOR GUYS SHOULD DIE LIKE FOWL. BE TRUTHFUL TO YOURSELF.

OR MAY BE, YOUR BOOK OF THE LAW, PERMITS GENERAL TO STEAL, TO KILL AND TO DESTROY.

So it wasn't the Nigerian army abi?


So it was PDP's army?

Whose army is it now?

And where is your proof that there was a single soldier who didn't have the basic assault rifle and close combat knife/dagger required for an infantryman?

omooba969:
Gud to c dat u r beginning to use d word 'insurgency' as opposed to comparing it to WWII on d other hand, ur argument has no merit !

Check out dis words:- WAR & INSURGENCY then come bck here wit d difference & be courageous enuf to accept dat insurgency is a different ball game entirely.

If differentiating war and insurgency is your achievement, congrats!!!! And i have been trying and failing to educate you that in WWII the conventional war took place alongside what you'll like to call the "insurgency" inasmuch as you believe that unless both sides wear recognised uniforms the war isn't conventional, WWII was multi-faceted but you'll rather have people believe that it was a straight out battle between countries. Also, you haven't disproved anything at all as to the codes of conduct of a professional military like Nigeria's own vis-a-vis the pitfalls of politicisation of their internal discipline enforcing mechanisms and i challenge you to objectively tell me that buhari has not opened a pandora's box through this action of recalling these servicemen/women!!

Olaolufred:
YOUR PROBLEM IS HEARSAY.

YOU HEARD THAN INDIANS FOOTBALL TEAM WALLOPED NIGERIAN TEAM 99-0.

THEN YOU GO SHARE IT.

WHEN A REASONABLE MAN ASK, OGA WHERE DID YOU GET THAT INFO?

YOU SMILED AND SAY, MY UNCLE TOLD ME.

I CAN NEVER ENROLLED INTO A MILITARY, BECAUSE ONLY THEIVES IN THERE LIVES BETTER THAN I DO NOW.

I HAVE A CAREER I AM SATISFIED WITH.

SO STOP FEARING FOR WHAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.[b][/b]

Think what you may, it wouldn't change what is or what should be

Olaolufred:
YOU AINT THERE.

YOU ARE NOT CLOSE TO IT.

YOU ARE ONLY WISHING IF YOU WERE, BUT YOU ARE NOT.

IF I HAD WANTED TO BE IN THE MILITARY, IT WILL BE THROUGH SHORT SERVICE COMMISSION, MOST LIKELY NAF.

ANYWAY, THE LAW MUST ALSO READ WHETHER THE RECRUITS HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVING TOOLS TO DO THEIR JOB.

WHEN MY BOSS ASK ME TO DESIGN A FOUNDATION AND DETAIL IT,

HE WILL TELL ME THE CODE TO USE, MAKE RELEVANT SOFTWARE(ORION, RCD, STAADPRO, SACS, AUTOCAD ETC) AND HARDWARE (PCs) AVAILABLE.

SINCE YOU ARE BIG ENOUGH TO ONLY HEAR FROM YOUR BROTHER THE RULE WITHOUT YOU HAVING ACCESS TO THAT BOOK OF THE LAW, EITHER TO KNOW THE BASIC PROVISIONS OF THAT LAW AS IT RELATES TO THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT OF AN OFFICER,

BUT YOU KEPT QUOTING ONLY AN HEARSAY, I LEAVE YOU TO KEEP YOURSELF HAPPY.

I might not be there and like you, that's a choice I made but trust me there are many officers of the old guard who view current military practices, NDA graduates and cadets, level of discipline with disbelief and revulsion and also there must be a few young officers of similar views too so join all you may, but GOD forbid you fall under the command of one of these officers.............I wish you well!!!

omooba969:
Bla bla bla, clap for ursef! U narrated everything frm d figments of ur imagination as though u were there @d frontline...wot an interesting account!

One thing u need to knw is dat wot happened in d 1940s was a war d reason itz referred to as WORLD WAR II. Wot we av in Nigerian is INSURGENCY which is a different ball game entirely.

Lastly, I dare u to put up a claim dat GEJ govt's not culpable in dis saga & I will begin to take u serious as to ur position on dis very matter.

You see yourself

Reading is your bane!!


Go and read up on WWII before making ill informed comments about figments of whomever's imaginations not mine, I wasn't born then neither was my father mind you and as for your claim that it is a totally different ball game, are you making this assertion as to military tactics specifically I need to know to know how to reply you correctly

And yes, the GEJ administration was culpable in not taking this threat serious enough at the onset and for not taking the tribalisation of the army vis-a-vis divided loyalties serious enough too and getting to the end, the military as an institution was rudely awakened by the personal cost of having undedicated and disloyal servicemen which they sought to redress and the results of which was evident in the anti-insurgency war but your buhari would rather sh1t on this same institution by insinuating that the weeding out of tainted servicemen was not properly done in the first place because many of the affected personnel are from his tribal/religious affiliations.

And yes, the military institution will pay the price for this.

OZAOEKPE:
For the love of Genea, aminat508, YourMain and hapiness87.

Edo state and the whole of Niger Delta are saying No To Biafra.

You are alone and speak only for yourself

EdCure:
I'm opposed to the recalled of any dismissed soldiers irrespective of the reasons for their disengagement. Strict military discipline should be left insulated from governance and party loyalty and/or politics.

It is indeed a dangerous precedent that no reason is good enough to uphold.

Simple

Sincere9gerian:
We'll make more progress when we see issues as they are and not with our partisan or tribal lenses. Like in fuel subsidy issue, yesterday it was subsidy must stay, today it is subsidy must go. What has changed?

What has changed is the party and the lyrics of the propaganda hit song which has got many Nigerians zombified

Abugab:
It does not violate military protocol. Its more like an appeal situation in civil matters. Its in line completely

It totally violates military protocol and you know it

nuclearboy:
Why dont you stop whining and open your eyes and mind?

1. They were trained with humongous sums
2. They walked away, not because they were cowards, but because your idols didnt equip them
3. These are men who suddenly have no jobs in a harsh economy and have been trained to live a life of violence.... what next for such?
4. The military needs men to battle BH. Which is cheaper in recalling people unfairly kicked out or training newbies?

Your angst against APC is obviously the problem. That and losing your post as head-weeping nuisance to Weeping-Nista but sorry, we are NOT concerned

Deal with it

At no. 2 you make me laugh though i would rather weep for Nigeria, don't you know no. 1 cancels out no. 2?

And when mubi was captured by 300 boko haram fighters earlier this year without a fight, was it because they were ill equipped? I remember armoured tanks were burned down by the fleeing military and shots fired sporadically into the air for three good days by fleeing soldiers while not one shot was fired at the boko haram insurgents, does your number 2 also insure men like these from the prosecution that followed?


Who is partisan now? or do you need links from your trusted sahara reporters to buttress this fact?

Abugab:
Op, the recall is in good faith.
Why some soldiers were sent to fight insurgents with poor fire arms and low motivation by their Ogas when the situation could have been better, what do you expect?
Obeying command is the way of a soldier but the man giving the command has a role to play too and when that is lacking it is expected to see disrespect.
Too many things have been wrong with how the fight against insurgents have been carried out from the top army ranks to the rank and file. Investigating and allowing those who have genuine cases back in the army isn't a bad move.
Its not about APC or PDP but strictly a professional issue

Okay let's be professional

If as a "trained" soldier you believe your ammunitions and not your wit and desire for victory is your greatest weapon then your training is wasted on you! The best land forces were never the best equipped ones---------the red army vs Hitler's juggernaut (WWII), the vietcong vs the U.S army (vietnam war), the communist army vs the republican army i think (chinese civil war) and the list goes on and on even ISIS vs the iraqi army

horpe132:
****************************** Pls Must Everything By the FG be against PDP ??......
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I was expecting you to Open a Tread abt ur mentor......pius ayim.
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Say after me :::::::" i shall not wail for 4yrs in jesus name "

I will resist the urge to insult you............ for now

You tell us your own apolitical version of what this move portends for the Nigerian army in the future as an institution!!!

OZAOEKPE:
You sound like you in "love" with biafra

Am in love with my south south region and as things stand now, my interests ally with the interests of people from the south East so they are my allies and that!!! Is the fact!!!

omooba969:
Wot u put up there shows dat u r one of those who argue blindly. Why wud u compare WWII to unconventional warfare such as d one going on in N.E of Nigeria? U probably wanna appear to knw stuff abt Nigerian Military Law...fuucck it.

U also mentioned dat PMB just politicised d army--for God's sake, r u outta ur mind? Dis is an issue of morality if u care to learn. Wots wrong in inspiring ur troops, lifting their spirit by showing dat u care abt dem & dat they r neva forgotten.

Look here son, itz neva healthy to be self-centered or narrow minded in ur views & dnt u ever suffocate ur conscience because of sentiment.

My 2kobo.

My conscience thank you is clear and my motives are apolitical for this particular argument

And since you claim to know your history very well which you've obviously given me reason to doubt, how was WWII strictly conventional? Are you suddenly pretending all the french, polish, ukrainian partisan forces armed and supplied by the anglo-americans or germans as the case may be didn't exist? Are you pretending they fought conventionally and not by hit and run, sabotage, attrition and whatever methods they could? How are they different from boko haram in tactics (not motives)

And,my sentiments if any at all are with the military as an institution not with its individual members, Jonathan's move against these soldiers was very unpopular even with me but it was the absolutely right move!!! How many desertions, mutinies, cases of cowardice did you hear of again since the previous administration prosecuted these recently ex-soldiers?

The reported case of boko haram attacks on the town of mubi sometime late last year or early this year comes to mind, the boko haram attackers numbered about 300 in all as against over 3,000 soldiers stationed in mubi, news of the boko haram advance on the town was all it took for the army to descend into a disorganised retreat while burning armoured tanks at the command of senior officers (so that it wouldn't fall into enemy hands) and shooting sporadically into the air for three days while retreating without firing a single shot at the insurgents who then took over the town without a fight!!! And you come here talking crock expecting me to applaud buhari for re-enlisting men like these back into the army? If you are a soldier at the frontline and have weathered the entire storm risking your life everyday from the very beginning without giving in to the urge to mutiny or flee and see these men being rewarded for doing the exact opposite at the very edge of complete victory, how would you feel?

Sincere9gerian:
Perhaps those were working for APC. Job well done and it's time to be compensated.

I would have thought that an institution like the military should have rules, laws and code of conduct and people who breech such rules should be sanctioned appropriately by the same institution, irrespective of who is in Aso Rock. But alas that appears not to be the case.

Since they gave lack of equipment as reasons behind their actions, are those equipments now available? Has the APC bought the equipment in 3 months? if not, then on what basis are they returning since the reasons they bolted is still unresolved? And does it now mean that solders are free to bolt when they feel they're not sufficiently equipped? And who determines what is sufficient equipment and what is not? is it left to the solders individual judgement? what about those that sabotaged their fellow colleagues in the war front? was that also due to lack of equipments?

That is Nigeria for you, every new leader tries as much as possible to destroy or undo what his predecessor did. And yet you want to make PROGRESS? By what magic? It's IMPOSSIBLE

Thank you for highlighting more potential pitfalls this precedence has created, who determines what equipment is enough? And how relative is the equipment to the adversary? And who approves the scale of equipments to adversary?

bashsani:
still the failure did not come them the failure was in poor leadership

The contract and oath was binding irrespective of the circumstances sad as it is to say that, but that is the law or according to buhari, "was" the law

Olaolufred:
I HAVE HEARD YOU SHEIK AL IBN BRANIACX.
PEOPLE DECIEVING PEOPLE

I know you've heard me but i seriously doubt you understand me so word of advice for you, don't ever join the military if you know am already enlisted because if peradventure am your C.O and you disobey my order, i would have you court martialled and executed CHIKENA!!!

Olaolufred:
I THINK MY INSERTION INTO YOUR COMMENT WILL EXPRESS YOUR VIEW BETTER.

And why should your insertion make any difference?

If you like let it be toothpick and microphone!!! You must fight till you die!!! Nobody forced you to join the army and if you don't like the ammo given you, buy the one you prefer from the military stores (yes! That option was always available)

And you seem to be taking this issue lightly and/or trivialising it, your national pledge is mostly morally enforceable as being a citizen is a mostly a social contract with your government and that is why you can hold multiple citizenships and change your nationality if you so wish but the military oath is a legally enforceable contract whose wordings are specific and loyalty to yourself first isn't permitted, you exist to fight and die for whatever cause your superiors deem necessary

OZAOEKPE:
We don't give a damn about a fake project, a mere mirage. Screw biafra, call kalu to come lead you people to doom.

And when did I become biafran



See yourself


That cheap oshogbo weed is giving you delusions

OZAOEKPE:
Politically, geographically and economically we are Niger Deltans. There is nothing you greedy people can do about it

Do you even know me?

I am far more Niger deltan than an Edo guy like you can ever be

Go siddon jare

OZAOEKPE:
I speak for the people of Niger Delta

Who elected or appointed you mouthpiece or press secretary? You can't even claim to speak for all Edo people how much less the entire south south.

Guy!!! Park well jhor!!!

OZAOEKPE:
Edo is Niger Delta, Niger Delta is Edo

Politically maybe and that is a big maybe seeing as APC rules your state, but factually, geographically and economically definitely not!!
And who are you to claim to speak for me?

OZAOEKPE:
I am speaking on behalf of all Niger Deltans on this forum.

You don't speak for me and your Edo is part of south south not Niger Delta gottit?

Am loving this thread


Let the probing kontinuuu

Olaolufred:
I SHOULD NOT HAVE SIGNED UP BEING A CITIZEN OF NIGERIA IN THE FIRST PLACE.

No on that you don't have a choice and won't be breaking any law if you flee from boko haram except if you are conscripted, but when you join the army (which you have a choice not to), fleeing from boko haram when you are stationed to defend against them or attack them becomes a crime even when you are unarmed except if you do this at the command of a senior officer who will then be the one to answer questions for your retreat and that is military law!!! These men who are being reinstated know this law and they broke it, and now, a politician is rewarding them for it

Olaolufred:
TO FACE BOKO HARAM WITH MY FIST AND WIDE CHEST,

SO HELP ME GOD.

HOPE IT MAKES YOU HAPPY.

Yes!! And your wit which is your greatest weapon

And if you feel that way, you should never have signed up in the first place since you place such a very high value on your life above your duty and mission