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Dapcity007:
Spirituality not Religion
Beside understand the meaning of a concubine

let me humour you, what is spirituality?

Dapcity007:
I'm a man of faith, not a religious man

faith is not codexed into our constitution I think, religion is, faith lacks definition, religion does, why should we give a flying fvck about a concept without a definite constitutional parameter that is largely subjective to an individual and allow it influence the national discourse of and policies for the general populace?

Dapcity007:
I have 3
Men are polygamous
Women are hypergamous

I date within my current income means
Their Hypergamy meets my means
They are happy and they please me

They are my concubines
I will never fornicate

They know if they try shit , I'm going to drop them, and move to other or even new options

I'm barely 24 in Nigeria, no credit card, and I'm spinning 3 plates

by religious definition you're fornicating if you're having sex with them without being married to them! it is that simple, your difficulties with the simplest of definitions is not encouraging at all

Dapcity007:
Spirituality is not Religion

These understanding willmake leftist atheist more tolerating and open minded, instead of being judgemental and binary in thinking

now you're journeying into an altogether more complex and largely vague realm by quoting spirituality! Let's keep it simple and stick to the basics of religion. Why should I give a rat's fart about your religious whims and proclivities? Why should I allow your religion influence my lifestyle in any way when I'm not requiring you to live by my values?

Dapcity007:
We have free critical thinking Christians
Devoid of religious dogmatism
Men rights is destroyed by femcentric Egalitarian-equalist law's with regards to custody law's in family courts

Your narcissistic ideology is faulty like any other man made ideologies and will forever remain an utopian theory

Social constructivism ideologies in scandanavian countries have show that the theory is a failure with regards to equating the outcomes between men and women


Transgenderism which is another social constructs is unpopular in Canada that the govt wanted to use force of law to compose and monitor free speech, these received great criticism till the laws were modified

Social justice warriors who are egalitarianstic-equalist have opponent view points that they are intolerant about
and greatly oppose

Egalitarianism can't negotiate human and biological nature by social conditioning

Accept Real science and stop all these social re-engineering


Realism is showing the failure of progressivism social policies
Why u guys in denial of it?

you're just regurgitating gibberish that have absolutely nada relevance to this conversation. Is this your idea of a brilliant argument to prove that an egalitarian society is untenable, unrealistic or undesirable? Because you're failing woefully! First, there is no such thing as an ideal egalitarian society, at best it is just an idea, in practice it requires constant tinkering to fit the temporal definitions of right and wrong, acceptable and unacceptable, it is not a fixed constant and please pray do tell, what is narcissistic about my ideology? Do you even understand the term narcissism at all?
And free thinking Christians devoid of religious dogmatism in what society? Is it in our current proto-egalitarian society or in a medieval European or current middle eastern feudal theocracy? You say that behind the protection of this current society you exist in! You should try that after being beheaded or hung in a theocracy on the charge of heresy! Free thinking is heresy in a theocracy in case you're too obtuse to understand what I just wrote and the punishment in more instances than not is death

Dapcity007:
Do you have any evidence to proof these assertions?

no, he's just postulating scenarios, something you love doing

budaatum:
You are going to have to forgive me, BraniacX, I do not think there is anything wrong in being optimistic so repeat as much as you desire please. You yourself point out "they are there to serve corporate interests and big donors", so why would you think those who are not there will not do Stacy Abrams to put themselves there? Do you think they are not greedy enough to do whatever will put them there so they can get more campaign finance?

People vote for various reasons, BraniacX. I invite you to a conversation of a non-voter.
https://www.nairaland.com/6346061/message-budaatum#97733498

the bolded is true but democrat politicians from blue districts often take their electorate for granted and will go with the desires of their electorates when the time for reelection is close or the interests of their electorates align with those of their corporate donors! At other times, they will vote according to the interests of their corporate donors three out of four times making them no different from republicans like Mitchell McConnell, the recent stand alone $750billion defence bill is a recent example, after Mitch McConnell divorced it from the proposed $2,000 covid relief bill, senator sanders stood against divorcing both bills, he even had fringe republican support, the rest of the democrats paid lip service to it, but when it came to voting senators chuck schumer, kamala Harris et al voted to divorce both bills and pass the defence bill alone knowing that Mitch McConnell has no intention of passing the covid relief bill without strings attached, so whose interests exactly are those senators serving? Even McConnell quoted democrat economists, wall street bankers and investors and a former Obama appointee when shooting down the covid relief bill, so whose interests were those democrats serving? When it comes to corporate America not ideological America, both republicans and democrats answer to the same masters. I respect your optimism budaa, I'm just saying you should temper it with realism or you will end up being disappointed by these democrats you had such high expectations from

Dapcity007:
Whether u like it or not
You are stuck with us people of faith
We must find a way to co-exist
Don't b like Lenin, Stalin,Mao of old who dechristanized society and replaced it with atheism

You can't stand on your own
Every time you try it you fail miserably

coexist yes, but the mistake you make repeatedly is that this coexistence should be on your own terms subject to your whims and interpretations and want the non religious to keep mum on any dogmatic views that defy logic that you espouse and explain away as faith in the name of coexistence. An egalitarian and progressive society is the one that constantly questions itself open mindedly with the aim of doing better and that is the society that majority of us espouse to, one of the precursors of that society is the one that birthed you with rights called human rights at birth to make sure you are neither anybody's serf or slave, look back to the not so distant history to recent theocracies and feudal theocracies and tell me if there was any semblance of human rights for the lower classes of society then. This is just to tell you that a society guided by religion is never a desirable society

Dapcity007:
Abortion laws are controversial

not to the logical, they are only controversial to the emotive I.e the religious

Ladyhippolyta88:
Ok,sorry for getting on your nerves with that post I am liberal too but will consider myself a moderate one.I think you misunderstood me from the beginning though but I don't like arguing with people I share similar positions with I will rather quarrel with MAGAts than you Sorry for that but I see your point

my sincere apologies too for losing my cool, understand when conservatives call liberals far left we wear that tag as a badge of honour in the sense that they recognise us as their ideological opposite but when that tag comes from a liberal it has a different meaning akin to nutjob and becomes an insult

Dapcity007:
Laws are not static

at the temporal point of application, they are interpreted as being static! So again, where is citizenship conferred at conception "legally"?

Ladyhippolyta88:
I consider some part of their policies extreme and I don't consider all liberals far left depending on the type of liberalism.Like I said there are far left in the democratic party and they also take positions I consider extreme that is your problem if you think otherwise and I also consider myself liberal too.So leave me to my narrative.
Bye

consider yourself left to your narrative then but realise that when you make certain kind of equivalence then the definition on both opposites is derived from that of the more commonly known, it is like a very religious Christian in Nigeria being described as a Christian extremists not unlike boko haram, a non Nigerian would automatically interpret that as Christians who go around killing random people unprovoked and that belief would neither be factual and also be a disservice to truth and the Christians being ascribed that definition

Dapcity007:
Situational ethics was used to strengthen their arguments same as abortion

there is no correlation Mr! Now back to the actual topic, where is citizenship conferred at conception "legally"

Ladyhippolyta88:
I was talking about Pelosi and how the far left don't like her and wanted their representatives to not vote her for speaker and I was annoyed at that instead you quote me without even understanding where I was coming from.If you don't like me calling them far left that is your problem and I am not entirely wrong in calling them that.
Get lost I don't have your time

I don't give two cents for your time or otherwise either, I do this for other people who come here to read and form opinions, the far left as you call us are allowed to have their own agenda and pelosi doesn't represent it or us and yes liberal democrats don't like pelosi and the squad are very much far left and they still very much voted for pelosi and the fact that you doubted they would says more about you than it does about them and us. You made the equivalence of equating us to be extremists in the same mode as neonazis of the right is the mistake I want you to admit to, being liberal isn't and has never been an extreme position except in dumb narratives like yours and trumps and also, you can get lost yourself

Dapcity007:
Slavery , polygamy had such arguments

now who was accusing who of deflecting and appealing to emotions? and what to quote PrideofLincoln1 brain stem sort of false equivalency is this? Slavery is slavery and abortion is abortion no correlation between the two! I will give you a worthy retort when you show me an enslaved zygote and on polygamy, what about it

Dapcity007:
Bundle of cells like other cells in the body , but unlike other cell can become inert in nature even when they pose no medical risk,

Very deep

what are you saying now mbok? am I supposed to be understanding and responding to this?

Dapcity007:
Infants (zygotes,embryos,foetus) have no fundamental human right for every pregnant woman, they are just bunch of cells, that can discarded at will , because they serve no purpose except when conceived


Hmmm


A moral plus to your argument

what business does morality have to do with this now? I thought we were talking about citizenship which infers legality which infers recognition as an actual human being?

Again, who was it that was talking about making emotional arguments again

Dapcity007:
That's your core philosophy bro
Or I'm lying

leave my philosophy out of this, that is a conversation for another day, for today prove the racism in that lady's comments and prove there is a country that confers legal citizenship at conception

And please tell me, what were you saying about deflection again?

Dapcity007:
So I should make the assumption that all zygotes, embryos,and foetus are intrinsically worthless in all pregnant women since they are not human or life forms

they are worthy but their worthiness is derived from the value given to them by those responsible for their conception not by themselves for they have no self conscious or otherwise at that stage! If those responsible for their conception ascribe no value to them then they have no value and vice versa

Dapcity007:
You are playing with fire

since I'm not being burned them your assertion is mute! Show us the proof of citizenship at conception

Dapcity007:
Learn from an Egalitarian-equalist
Hmmm

wetin bring egalitarianism and equalist into this now? my sole purpose of engaging you this far is to help YOU prove to yourself how stup1d you and your arguments are so that no one, not even yourself will be in doubt

Dapcity007:
Running away from core principles is called deflection tactics

and who's doing the running? Me or you? You accused a black woman of Nigerian origins of being racist towards Nigeria and Nigerians in general because she has better internet connectivity than us and i said that is in no way racism and you accused me of playing identity politics and I asked you what form of identity are you ascribing to as there are myriad forms of identity but you're just too dumb to follow up the thread of thought of the original conversation and/or you've realised answering my question will reveal your stupidity here so tell me, did i miss a thing or skip a beat in this breakdown of events so far? And how in the seven hells is anything I have posted so far to be considered deflection? you just type and string words together without passing any valid message in relation to the issues being discussed and that is why I said you were verbose and not intelligent enough for this thread

Dapcity007:
Islamic constitutional interpretation

Your semantics cards can't work for me

it is obviously working, it is not enough to say Islamic constitutional interpretation, we don't want interpretations, that is subject to the interpreters bias, give us the actual sections, texts, or whatever from the legally used constitution that states so so and so nameless zygote shall be considered a citizen of this state due to the providence of conception within our geographical borders or on vessels registered within our domain and flying our flag and is therefore granted the rights of citizenship which includes recognition and sanctity of life and so on and so forth oya I'm waiting

wirinet:
Don't mind them religious fundamentalists, maybe his passport reads "country of conception".

Citizenship begins at conception indeed.

the dude is very clueless and argues for the sole purpose of argument with no thought of possibly learning something new

Dapcity007:
Ok
Leftist in denial when their theory is faulted

where is the denial mbok, you're just too obtuse and unnecessarily verbose! What theory did you fault? You are the one that brought identity into the discussion after i told you that you can't accuse a fellow black person of racism against you if he or she did not discriminate against you simply and only because you were black! I am asking you pointed questions like what form of identity issues are at play in this scenario and you are dribbling yourself around the bush refusing to answer the questions directly because you've realised the answer will expose your stupidity in a way even you couldn't deny

Dapcity007:
Wonderful deflection

how is that deflection? What form of identity do you have in mind in this instance mbok? or do I have to repeat that your intelligence is sub par for this thread?

Dapcity007:
Saudi,turkey,Arabic Islamic nations

at conception? Prove it

Dapcity007:
Emotional appeal
WTF

emotional? go back to school! Your intelligence obviously doesn't cut it for this forum

PrideofLincoln1:
Intimidation is what those Nazis, Klans, Proud Boys and other hateful groups that loves RepubliKKKan Party and Trump are good for. You will notice that they don't practice their bigotry and racism in the Urban areas of US. I wish they come to Chicago and put up their hatred and you will see how they will run away in fear of their lives with their tails behind their legs. I wish and pray every qualified law abiding Americans exercise their constitutional rights to the 2nd Amendment.

imaging the cheek if his accusing democrats of hating! As if hating trump was something to be ashamed of the same way good is supposed to hate evil

Dapcity007:
Wow
So racism is based on identity politics alone
Hmmm

there are many forms of identity, which of them do you have in mind in this instance?

Dapcity007:
Interpretation of the Constitution dictates who a person Is

and where in the world is the interpretation of their constitution stating that you become a citizen at conception?

Dapcity007:
Binary black and white Thinking
Thought leftist were intellectuals

some things are so simple it beggars disbelief when you try to play smart by blurring definitions and obsfucation when you could simply admit you were wrong