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HydraFeeds:
1) chemicals that kill animals don’t destroy plants .

2) solar cctv is around 150k ,it’s a long term investment and will be calculated with other capitals .
Vigilante will serve as deterrent as there will be directives not to engage but to call for back up ,even in developed countries like USA ,they still used vigilantes.

3) there’s difference between fighting and seeking media attention ,in as much as someone like Igboho acted bravely ,he seeks media validation more than the real job and he’s digressing to Yoruba nation ,which no FG will support. Amotekun wins is more than their losses.

4) I’ve stated earlier that it depends on my position and that position is only for if I’m the village head .
That soldiers escorted herdsmen to flog village head doesn’t mean the same soldiers won’t escort village heads to flog herdsmen ,it boils down to how much you’re willing to pay and the people you know .

5) Igboho wasn’t attacked because he was attacking Fulani herdsmen but because of his separatist tendencies.

if you consider reality insulting then you have a long way to go . Nigeria history for instance,if you can mention one thing that’s world class and it’s accepted globally in our history then I will agree that my initial comment is insulting .

In US ,they face different challenges as well and most farmers have guns. Today ,I still watched a video of a U.S. farmer using stick to destroy a drone sent by his neighbor to his farm.

My comments have not defended and government policies or praise politicians,I simply encourage people to work harder and smarter for their own good because no one is coming to save them ,if you think otherwise,you must be suffering from PTSD.

So chemicals that killed cows would not also kill human beings and you want to sell the same crops to human beings?

See how you guys reason, the rest of your stuff is just trash...

You didn't even address the Issue of government taking sides with the herdsmen even up to flogging an Oba...

Read your while write up, you never held the government accountable for anything....

Ofcourse blame the people for everything and leave the government...

See how you guys reason....

The farmers that were killed in their farms were they not working harder or you feel you are better than them?

Edo no be Lagos....

oroje1:
Our problems as Africans are beyond us, Africans are a cursed race if you must know,other races will always be ahead of us,I'm proudly African but this truth I've known,and one thing is if you know your problem then you can find a solution to it,but if you argue you don't have a problem when it's glaringly clear then you'll always remain in the dark.

Big lie, if you are cursed I'm not, what I just see here is wickedness, I mean how can someone support a leader just because of tribal or religious supremacy not even because of he will benefit money or good governance, isn't that wickedness, nothing like curse here....

HydraFeeds:
depending on my position in the village .

If I’m to protect myself alone ,I will apply chemicals to kill any animals that graze on my land ,or set traps everywhere that will injure any animal that graze on my farm .

If it’s a big farm ,I can do wire fence that can be electrified by night . I will mount cctv camera to see what’s going on in my farm ,I can hire vigilante to monitor the farm .

I can rally round other youths to form vigilante group if I don’t have the capacity to deploy second paragraph measures .

If I’m the village head ,it’s either I don’t have Fulani settlements around my village ,banish any Fulani that led his cattle ti graze on any farms or seize such cattle or make them pay fine .

If it turns ti ear ,all the youth will buy weapons and take the fight to their settlements and raze them.

You see why you don't sound quite realistic...
You are using a whole lot of assumptions.

1. So you will destroy your entire farm you spent money to invest just to kill cows that graze on your farm.

2. Do you know how much it will cost you to do wiring fence plus CCTV plus hiring vigilante to monitor your farm which is still not a guarantee that they will not attack as we have seen them kill vigilantes which were even protecting villages and farms, do you think about the investment in your farm and how much you will sell the produce? And you also think all farmers have that kind of money to invest in their farming and even if they do would that not raise the price of foods ?

3. You want to form vigilante groups which is good but it has proven not really work over time because so many villages and communities have done that and they still killed them and their people, if you need stories I can provide for you, even when a whole Amotekun that is sponsored with bigger allocations also have failed to curb them, also it has also be proven that when the military begins to find out that such vigilantes start to u have upper hand against the herdsmen, they come in and fight the villagers, there is even one they flogged the king of the village in Ogun state for fighting the herdsmen...


4. You said if you are the village head, what if you are not the village head, you think all farmers will have to be village heads to have a successful faming and also do you think village heads have not attempted what you are planning, why do you think army flogged the Oba?

5. You say the youths will buy weapons and take them to the settlements to dislodge them, was that not what Igboho was doing that the government went after him and killed his people and even jailed him in Benin republic?

Look at how you guys reason, ask yourself, is this what farmers are going through in other countries like USA Canada and so on just to produce food?

Do you even need to go through all these just produce food when the president can give just on executive order banning open grazing and all the security agencies will enforce it and farmers will farm in peace...

Look at the way you guys reason just to defend rubbish, and even going as far as insulting your fellow Africans just to defend nonsense leaders in power and their type of governance, like I said earlier it is people like you that contribute to why Africa is the way it is....


Is askng for good governance a crime ?

HydraFeeds:
Which circles ?

US for instance is a capitalist system like Nigeria and whatever support any capitalist got from the government is minimal compared to what he has done for himself .

Musk for instance didn't achieve his success because of government subsidies but that doesn't mean he doesn't enjoy US government policies,my point is that these policies were made by people like you and I that will go out there and become politician that become elected . Therefore the IQ of these leaders are gotten from a pool of citizens IQ and their policies are a responsibility of our reality .

Ukraine is still a developing country with bad economy and one of the lowest standard of living and GDP in Europe . This justify my point that most Nigerians will rather complain and pass blame rather than work . I can't imagine I live in a community where Fulani herdsmen are eating their farms and killing the villagers without doing anything to protect my assets but come online or to the news to cry always when there are many things to be done to beat them .

You see why I said you are not being true to yourself...

Let me ask you just one question, what would you do if Fulani herdsmen were eating up your farms and killing your relatives?

And some people want us to believe that it is only Igbos that are kidnappings people in Lagos , but the truth keeps revealing itself....

Crime knows no tribe, condemn the crime and not the tribe

HydraFeeds:
companies also enjoy subsidies in Nigeria ,same as grants and loans . Therefore we can’t consider this a special support only enjoy by foreign companies in their own countries.

The social amenities available in these foreign countries were made available by their leaders (not limited to governments alone) . For instance ,Faraday invented electricity,Ford invented diesel engine etc . These are what their government built on .

Also ,political leaders are gotten from the people ,while people like Washington chased out the British with guns ,our leaders like Awolowo chased out the British with pen .

Political issues happen everywhere in the world but each level has its own distinctive challenges and our challenges is that we are not doing enough in Nigeria and Africa as a whole and a lot of people that should work for the country greatness are running to another man’s land that was built by another man .

Security challenges is everywhere in the world and it’s not an excuse for people not to work ,Ukraine is at war but still selling grains to other countries including Nigeria .

You are still going round in circles, the government played major roles in supporting those companies in becoming what they are today, then for the basic amenities I mentioned how many has the Nigerian government even gotten right in its own responsibility as a government to provide those amenities or are you saying the private companies abroad provided all the basic amenities for themselves and the people?

You think if Ukraine was still at developing stage like Nigeria and they went into war the story will be the same?

HydraFeeds:
Mr man ,which support did FB,Tesla,X,Microsoft and other big companies got from their government?

Are we not in the same world when news broke yesterday that Telegram founder was arrested in France despite fleeing Russia for attack from government,X fighting EU for censorship and Zuck coming out yesterday that he regretted working with US government for censorship?

Are we not in the same world that US government broke Rockefeller standard oil to pieces and now want to break google ?

Nigerian companies are trying but my point is ,which of them can become global brand ?

It’s only failures that blames others and bad governments for his failures ,also ,bad governments is the failures of our ancestors .

Firstly let me start with the basics, they have 24 hours light, they have good and better roads and accessibility for production and delivery process, they have more stable economy or why do you think different manufacturers have shut down in Nigeria of recent?

They also have better security to produce in cases like Agriculture , they don't have to bribe from check point to check point just to deliver their goods and raw materials, they don't have to produce their own power, they give them very high incentives as support ranging from finances, subsidies and so on.

This one below is just one if the benefits for Tesla, I can bring more if you need and even for other companies.

The rest of the things you wrote are all political issues and happens everywhere, even in Nigeria especially when the issue is not support of their national interest...

HydraFeeds:
Don’t be ridiculous,how many Nigerians tech companies are top 50 in the world ?

How many Nigerians are in top 50 Forbes list ?

How many Nigeria politicians are to 50 politicians in the world ?

How many local manufacturing companies do we have let alone being among top 50 brands in the world ?

What of musicians ,footballers ,scientists,academicians etc ?

Because you’re a one eyed king in your village doesn’t make you king of the world !

You better don’t deceive yourself and get back to drawing board .

The question you should be asking is has any Nigerian tech company gotten the needed support from the government tech companies that rank top in the world gotten from their own government and still we still have tech companies still making waves internationally and breaking barriers even without such support like and Flutterwave and co...

It is still boils down to bad governance, all the questions you asked about other industries, what support has the Nigerian government given to all those industries like how the foreign ones in the top have gotten?

You people just talk anyhow to defend nonsense, even without the support Nigerians are still breaking barriers which you should even commend, has Nigerian government even povided enough power for industries here like those countries, this is just even one of the numerous isssues, I'm not even talking about financial support and programs...

Look at how you reason...

madridguy:
Any boss that didn't allow we Nigerians to do anyhow at work, comes to work late, close earlier before closing time, will be tagged wicked boss.

A strict lecturer, not collecting bribe, not telling ladies to see him at his guest house is considered a wicked lecturer.

Bichi has done is best for his fatherland.

Wait till you hear from them first, they are the ones who wear the shoe and know exactly why they are rejoicing...

If you change the name and not change the people there, does it make any difference?

That is like changing the name of Tinubu to Peter Obi and expecting him to perform like Peter Obi

HydraFeeds:
So leaders are not gotten from the people ?

A few exceptional emigrants doesn’t justify the collective local reality. Moreover ,there are exceptional people that stay in Nigeria that are doing great and also several emigrants that are doing bad .

It is because of people like you who join the few wicked leaders in cheating the rest of the people to get power.. Most of them are not voted by majority of the people.

Not a few exceptional immigrants, we are talking about a whole lot of people, I can show you videos of other countries praising Nigerians, in Africa alone which country dominates the music industry, movies industry and so on I mean on a global scale?

Just call a spade a spade, for you to even try to justify the kind of leadership we have here speaks volume on the kind of person you are...

Later they will want to make us believe Chinasa and his people are the ones destroying Lagos and its properties, but almost all the news that comes out reveals their very own people.

This one doesn't even have address, he might be one of those who came from outside Lagos and be shouting to other tribes to leave their Lagos while he vandalizes the same Lagos those people joint in building.

It is well, I pray he gets help and a better job to do

Baba We know Sir...

If you want to confirm, just read Tinubu's supporters comments here and match it with what Tinubu is doing, well, it is favouring me and my family and will always favour us and we will never be victims of their actions and inactions...

madridguy:
Once they leave office, they suddenly turned to a motivational speaker. This is the same Obasanjo that cornered the FG farms during the operation feed the nation.

Under same man, 16 billion dollars budgeted for power suddenly grow wings and fly away.

True, but Nigeria gained far more than what it lost under his administration, was it debt clearance, was it excess crude oil savings, was it external reserves, was it security, was it economic stability and so on?

I remember during his time when America went to war in Iraq and there was a global recession that period, Nigeria was one of the few countries in the world that didn't really feel it, our family friend then in the U.S were telling us how the recession had affected them badly, I watched on CNN then how some Europeans were burning their ceritficates in public protests because of wages and jobs.

Can you say the same about APC, Buhari and Tinubu?
He is not a saint but please give him his credits.

HydraFeeds:
According to regional IQ rating ,West Africa has the lowest IQ in the world , following by other African countries.

If we look back,our forefathers didn't have magnificent structure (except maybe Sudanese and Egyptian pyramids) that can rival other continents historical achievements,whether in technologies , agriculture, warfare ,civil development or education. Which means it's been long we have problems in Africa ,only failures blame colonisers for their woes .

The only solution to poverty and low standard of living is to work . Work harder ,work smarter .

You had to insult the whole of west Africa just to justify the rubbish the leaders you support are doing in power...

To prove that what you wrote is mostly filled with lies, how come the same west Africans travel to foreign countries even the world powers and outdo them performing excellently better than those that are citizens of those countries?

Is it education, music, tech and so on even on menial jobs?

Just look at the way you think, other countries are busy praising our mental prowess, thinking and working ability, here you are talking down on your own people just to justify nonsense leadership supported by people like you..

People like you are the ones joining to keep Africa the way it is, when you will see the truth and support lies and evil

PDP is currently divided into 3 factions:

1. The Atiku faction

2. The Wike faction

3. And the GEJ/Bode George faction

Tinubu...

AntiChristian:
I voted for him too!

So discuss!

Show me evidence, I'm not talking about your vote, even if it's a just a post of you supporting Jonathan ....

AntiChristian:
Add Jonathan too to the pack!

Why should I do that ?

The core tribal name checkers will be highly disappointed because he is one their own....

Watch as this thread will be free from tribal insults and bashing

AntiChristian:
He has 4years to complete! And even at that I'm not the judge!

So 1 year plus is not enough for you to evaluate if a leader is already falling in his duties?

I now see why people like you supported Buhari for 8 years without knowing he was failing till he completed his 8 years in office and you want me to believe you about Tinubu?

AntiChristian:
I chased Jonathan?

Where did I chase him?

Which kind lie be this?

Then show me evidence of you supporting Jonathan at any point in time in your life....

AntiChristian:
Yeah he hasn't!

So he has failed in his duties ?

AntiChristian:
My belief in Nigeria is not in any way similar to yours. I belief in Nigeria and in every leadership in it. Even if Obi is the president I would still believe him.

And yet you chased Jonathan out of power, see hypocrisy ....

MrSly:
But tinubu said that the subsidy was gone on 29th May, 2023. Uptill now he has not said otherwise. Even during his address in the recent end bad governance speech he reinterated that. So what exactly are you saying and how on earth did Nigeria spend a whooping sum on a non existing subsidy?

That's because he is lying, the subsidy he is paying is the highest ever in the history of Nigeria if not the price of fuel officially should be around 1300 naira...

Exousiang01:
The governor is the Chief Security Officer of the state.
Get yourself educated

And what armed forces does he command?

AntiChristian:
Okay!

I believe in Nigeria and not any terrorists!

Well done terrorists believer!

You don't believe in Nigeria, if you do you will not be supporting Tinubu after he did this to Nigeria and Nigerians...

https://www.nairaland.com/7802865/only-tinubu-supporters-saw-nigeria

nairalanda1:
And I have pointed out to you that we are not a global power, so we don't have the gdp to fund tax on subsides..

Plus, the subsides are not for everyone, as in Nigeria.

There is a country that tried all you suggested...in the old USSR, and in many of its fellow communist countries...they subsidised everything....food, healthcare, housing ,etc.

The result was scarcity of many food items, as well as badly run public services. (As an example, one American who became a citizen of the DDR was happy to pay just 2 german marks as rent for his house, but that meant that maintenance of the house suffered.)

If you want a subsidy, either you pay a tax rate of 50% and live in a country that exports manufactured goods and services....or you end up like the USSR....and the DDR....collapsing under the massive debt incurred in 'keeping subsides'.

Not with a government like Tinubu's own, so you actually believe Tinubu will remove subsidy and use the money to develop the country?

AntiChristian:
Even if he's saved you'll still bring up other claims since you are a terrorist sympathizer!

Has he even saved anyone to even start with?

nairalanda1:
And such subsides are either production subsides...which is what we don't do for our petroleum sector , or subsides for means tested poor people, not for everyone. And all are funded heavily by high tax uptake, and also because the gdp is far larger than Nigeria's gdp, even under the best of times (because many of these global powers earn most of their money from exporting manufactured goods and services, not from exporting oil and other raw materials like Nigeria and most African countries)...they can afford such things.

Again, at the end, fuel is sold at market price in most global powers. Government even heavily adds its own tax...which is far higher than what we can concieve here.

If we want to be like the global powers, we have to become a manufacutring nation, which we haven't become since independence. And which would require, roughly, several generations of hardship before we get there.

No, not just production subsidies, but food, education, healthcare, electricity and so on, if you need details I will supply them for you...

AntiChristian:
In what word do you trust terrorists and what they say?

Seems only in your world!

I believe the terrorist words over the present Nigerian government, a government that calls protesters terrorists and call terrorists business men/ bandits...

AntiChristian:
Don't worry he will there and fight them himself with your...

So you are saying Tinubu has failed in his primary duty?



Tinubu is the commander in chief of the armed forces of Nigeria?

Is Tinubu holding the title for decoration?

You Tinubu supporters are very funny...

Exousiang01:
His governor is the chief security officer in his state, his governors has no missed security vote this year, he has collected it every month aside the monthly FAAC allocation.

What is the governor doing?

Your state governor is more likely to help you than the president…

His governor is now the commander in chief of the armed forces of Nigeria?

Is Tinubu holding the title for decoration?

You Tinubu supporters are very funny...