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Tinubu has turned INEC to a bandit organization

The INEC chairman should honorably resign, the INEC chairman should not be appointed by the president.

Every political party should pick a candidate they want for INEC chairman and all the parties should vote who they want among them till there is a winner for the appointment to take place.

Lithiumite:
Was obi right to have lied that govt was no longer paying subsidies on electricity or not?

It seems like you people live in another planet or something, When the government created the band-it plan for customers of electricity consumption, they removed total subsidy for people in Band A and reducuced subsidy for people in band B and C, so government still removed subsidies for people in electricity consumption though not full implementation.

So to say that government did not remove subsidy in electricity is false because they did.

budaatum:
Nigeria has its standing governmen[/b]t, and can leave its equivalent of EU, which is the African Union or that of West Africa, though we'd likely regret it just as UK is regretting leaving EU and is trying to rejoin.

[b]What you can not do is a region in Nigeria leaving Nigeria, just as Wales, Northern Ireland, England and Scotland can not leave the United Kingdom unless it is democratically voted for in a recognised referendum, which UK is unlikely to offer and abide by just as Nigeria isn't.

For a region in Nigeria to hold a referendum for any split you'd first need to elect majority senators and representatives who are campaigning and offering a referendum, and you might have noticed that none of them is campaigning for your vote on that basis.

I suggest you learn this!

Where is the standing Igbo government? Where is the standing Yoruba government? Hausa and so on? like England, Ireland, France, Italy and so on all have?

Shebi Igbos have been asking for referendum, why haven't the Nigerian government conducted it for them?

when the regions that have the majority of representatives don't want a referendum, how do you want the Igbos to now achieve this through the legislative process with the least number of representatives in Nigeria even having the lowest number of states (5)


Let me ask you, if you were an Igbo woman seeking for referendum in Nigeria with the way Nigeria is today, how would you go about it?

Please give me only realistic answers, with the knowledge that Hausas and Yorubas do not want a referendum for the Igbos and even fought a war that killed over 3 million Igbos in the past just to keep them together and constantly still shout that Nigeria is indivisible....

So please I want to hear from you...

budaatum:
You mention "learn from Europe", but I think it is you who has not learnt from Europe.

United Kingdom, for instance, is a formation of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and they all have different ideologies, and went through worse than we are, yet Keir Starmer is the democratically elected Prime Minister, and Charles Philip Arthur George is King.

Europe itself, after many ideological wars, united 27 member states under the European Union and have a parliament where representatives are all democratically elected.

I am from the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun, and our neighbour is Ilobu. We are so near each other that there is no clear boundary between us, and we even used to share the same local government until we got our own. For the past 5 years or so, we have been killing each other over land because we are "ideologically different".

One can not be ideologically the same as one's next door neighbour, but sense should teach one to live peacefully despite that, I'd have thought, and as most of Europe you ask that one learn from has learnt. And if one can not learn to live peacefully with one's neighbours then one simply must be ignorant.

P.s. Democracy is the bloodless process of "kill the bad ideologies" from all regions. You vote against the ideologies you want to kill for them to die.

Read what you wrote again from the beginning and see if any of the examples you wrote there looks exactly like Nigeria, ever country you listed all have their standing governments independent from each other and any member state has the right to walk away without going to war like Britain did to EU.

Is that the same with Nigeria?

Do you people ever learn?

budaatum:
Lengthy indeed, and I can't help feeling you are trying to drown me in verbiage, Brendaniel. I might return to the rest you wrote but I am cutting you off here for now.

It's your "Nigeria made me discover", that did you. You define "democracy is basically a system of government for the people and by the people", and then claim Nigeria, where about 100 million people registered to vote and only 25% voted made you discover.

The only decision a "large majority" made at the last election was to sit on their asses and not vote!

So, did that make you discover that people who refuse to get off their asses and vote are bound to be ruled by fools, and are likely to come here and wail that the democracy that they refused to engage in has left them with a government they don't like?

You can do whatever you want, but if as at now you don't still know why Nigeria is not working or you believe it is because people are not coming out to vote, then you are very far from reality...

The major problem of Nigeria is more ideological, we are not the same, the onyl way Nigeria may ever move forward is to kill the bad ideologies majorly from certain regions...

You people have refused to learn from Europe...

MIKOLOWISKA:
you are

Sorry to say, but sincerely speaking, you sound like someone who is out of touch with reality...

May his soul rest in peace.

ThatOndoBoi:
Damn! You brutally crushed the dude to the curb so much that i started to feel pity for him. Sometimes, it's better to remain silent so people can think you're wise. When you're everywhere thinking you know so much, you definitely don't know jack.

These people did more than they are currently doing for Bubu but in the end even Bubu himself admitted he failed the nation. Now they are going about it again. History just love to repeat itself.

He actually blocked me after that comment to him.

MIKOLOWISKA:
really
So you just voting pointlessly?

I'm voting my mind, you are voting for money, who is voting pointlessly?

budaatum:
This is not a definition!

Let me explain something to you. You and I have discussed in the past, and even when we have disagreed, you have shown you have a brain and can use it. So please let us use our brains now. We might in the end be able to determine the sort of democracy that might benefit Nigeria or propose an alternative form of choosing those who rule us.

Define any type of democracy you understand, please.

Then define the sort of democracy you believe is being practiced in Nigeria.

I would have replied you much earlier, had a little issue with my electricity supply.

So democracy is basically a system of government for the people and by the people, sounds good right?

But in that definition lies the biggest flaw of democracy, why?

Since democracy is about the majority of the people having their way, the question is what kind of majority of what type of people?

This post might be a bit lengthy but it will show you why democracy has been failing in Africa especially Nigeria.

Nigeria made me discover that you can have a large majority making a bad decision in selecting leaders and electing them for the fewer good decisive electorates.

Please do note the words, selecting and electing because I will be dealing with them differently, it is also one of the major reason why the private sector seems to more successful than the government, the process to leadership is what makes the difference:

Take for instance, UBA bank, they want to employ staff members to work, the cadidates go through various tests, both aptitude, oral, physical and so on, why ?

Because they only want the best to come and value and make the best decisions that will grow the company, these tests are designed to pick people who fit the ideology for the company's growth and this system constantly works all over the world, meaning it is a universal system that works all over the world, tested and trusted, companies have grown to trillion dollar companies using this very system.

Now, this is even one side which is the follower-ship side, now let's talk about the leadership side, the same UBA says they want to pick their MD who is like the captain of the ship, they don't allow the whole staff members make that decision, only a selected (Board members) who have proven themselves loyal and highly invested in the bank are allowed to do that for the larger majority(staff members, customers, shareholders and investors) of the same bank .

And this system works all over the world growing the companies, so the questions we should all be asking is why didn't they choose this very kind of system in running and growing a country especially in Africa and Nigeria?

Why not have a system where the few good decision makers have their way for the good of everyone?

I know you will be saying in your mind that this is no longer democracy and it will deprive the rights of people, I will explain my modification of the system to still work as democracy because everyone will be a participator and have the opportunity to be among the few good, so it is still democracy.

So here is how it works:

1. Scrap the party system, just like in the companies, there are no parties, if you feel you are suited for any position, come forward regardless of who you are, educated or not, even if you don't know how to speak English, you will be communicated in your local dialect, application is free, you must only meet the minimum criteria, which are 18 years of age, no criminal records, must have paid your taxes in the area without defaulting in the area you live in the last 10 years and at least contributed to the development of the area you wish to contest with a project no matter how small in the last 5 years.

2. Screening eligible candidates, the questions will be based on basics of everything from Math, English, logic and so on but more centered around screening biased, negative and destructive ideologies, they will asked in very technical ways that even the participants may not know that the questions are tailored around detecting those of them who are biased, negative and destructive with their ideologies, Ai will do all that, questions will also be asked based on decision making solving issues based on economy, security and so on, the 10 best will be picked for every position being vied for , so only 10 candidates max will be eligible for voting for every available position.

3. Campaign, there will not be any campaign, Every candidate will write or do video or audio for their campaign scripts both for TV and radio and only INEC is allowed to advertise those scripts for them, INEC will also organize the debates and announce the dates and time for the debates to hold, so that voters can listen to them, the debates can hold 2 or 3 times before the election.

Now that's for the leaders up there, now for the voters:

1. Just like the tests that those coming out to lead had to write, every voter will also have to write a test in order to be eligible to vote, so the criteria in this one is a bit more flexible, you must have at least paid your tax in the area you live in the last 1 year, no criminal records in the last 4 years, done or contributed to community development(no matter how small in the last 1 year) and must be up to 18.

2. Eligible participants will write the same exam but this time no math, English and all of those general questions, the major target will be very technical questions majoring on finding out the person's ideology, principles, moral judgement, equity and justice balance, religious and ethnic bias, the questions will be so tailored in a way it looks very simple and the candidates may not know these are the things being gotten from them while they answer it , the idea is to screen bad voters and only pick the best, Ai will do all these.

3. Even if it only 10 voters that are eligible to vote at the end, I believe they will be making a better decision than the larger majority, and the good thing with this system is that people will be more committed to the country and take politics very serious, imagine not being able to vote because you failed your test or did not contribute to community development or pay your tax or have criminal record?

Everybody will buckle up because they want to be among those that will make decision, in fact people will start behaving better and more organized, also to note that this process will always hold every election cycle, just in case some eligible people are going astray.

For me this is the democracy that may work in Nigeria, anything outside this is for the country to split so every region can go work with their ideology or kind of democracy that works for them, because I will like my new country to adopt this after the split in case Nigeria doesn't modify this democracy they are practicing to to what I have written here.

The aim is to have a progressive system that only allows the best to choose the best for the good of everyone, that is democracy to me for now.

budaatum:
Define any type of democracy you understand, please.

Then define the sort of democracy you believe is being practiced in Nigeria.

The democracy practiced in Nigeria is flawed and not supposed to be used in Nigeria...

So to me it means that the Nigrian styled type of democracy may never work in Nigeria...

budaatum:
No you haven't! Or answer again so we are clear.

Brendaniel, what does democracy mean to you?

I have already answered you, but if you still want to go further with the question, let me ask, which type of democracy are you talking about, is it the type practiced in Nigeria?

Because I won't lie to you, to me right now, there are different types of democracies...

So I don't know the exact one you are talking about, please kindly be specific...

dragunov:
If this info is true, then one will wonder why you make so much uninformed and ignorant comments.

Who declared them uninformed and ignorant?

You?

If that is how you see the truth, that's your problem, not mine...

budaatum:
The only person I am obviously currently wasting my time with is you, Brendaniel, who refuses to answer a very simple question.

Brendaniel, what does democracy mean to you?

I have answered you already...

budaatum:
As in, why have you not been educated yet?

I think it's because you stubbornly refuse to learn, and are the minus 1 from the 75m. Thankfully, most are learning, unlike you.

Brendaniel, what does democracy mean to you?

You claim most are learning and yet Nigeria is the way it is today?

Why are they still having bad leaders?

Secondly, the answer to your democracy question is not a direct one, if what they are practicing in Nigeria is what you call democracy, then I don't really believe in it anymore.

Except it is modified to suit the current situation of Nigeria.

Because, presently I'm beginning to feel you people are wasting your time with it.

Lanretoye:
if not your your being myopic or cheer hypocrisy,if your father was one of the beneficiaries you won’t come here with useless narrative.you have seen past government did nothing for both senior and junior officers and you couldn’t push silly narratives.tinubu has even tried to compensate the senior officers,hopefully when your obi becomes president which is future impossible,he will do the same for the rank and files

So we should not speak the truth again because Tinubu is focusing on only top officers ?

And point of correction, all civilian governments since 1999 have increased salaries, pensions, welfare and benefits, so nothing new, The difference Here is Tinubu is focusing mainly on top officers while the others focused on both top and low, meaning Tinubu may have performed below all of them.

dragunov:
Says somebody who wasn't born when it all happened. Go and research what Obi was doing at that time too

How you people just jump into conclusion based on assumption can be so funny and annoying sometimes...

Well, just to let you know, I witnessed 3 military governments before democracy came in 1999, so shove your nonsense research down the drain because I witnesssed things for myself and was even close to the military governments based on where I lived.

What Tinubu never did, yet claims he fought for democracy.

That's why we can see how he is practicing he so called democracy as president today,

budaatum:
By educating you!

Brendaniel, what does democracy mean to you?

And since you started educating, why hasn't it worked?

budaatum:
As in, why did 75% of eligible voters not bother to vote?

Reason is because you are not sufficiently educated enough yet, which I am trying to change by asking you again:

What does democracy mean to you?

So how do you want to make 75% of the voters to turn out?

Lanretoye:
These paramilitary heads before retirement are mostly wealthy and made before their retirement especially in Nigeria,hardly will you see a poor AIG or deputy comptroller.the endangered species are mostly the rank and file whose majority are left with poor working conditions,salary and life after retirement.most of them can’t even build a good family and give proper training to their children while in service with their poor salaries needs such gesture the most.

Shebi it is the Tinubu you support...

adenigga:
May God bless you for this enlightenment





Some people don't research and find out the remote and immediate causes of the issue they will just be vomiting trash.


Thank you my brother, I've known this for a very long time that's why I don't get involved in arguments with some slow poke people. 👍

Did you need to write all these insults just to pass a message?

From your write up, it is clear you have something already in mind, this tribalism of a thing has done you people a lot of damage, I used to think you were a neutral person, but you still proved me wrong...

The issue you should be more concerned about is why Nigerians are no getting 24hours light while countries that Nigeria is supplying are enjoying better light than Nigeria, instead you chose to focus on the lesser issue of someone not knowing something than the reason why the person is even voicng out in the first place.

If there was 24 hours light in Nigeria, do you think he may be on this thread?

You people be majoring or the minor and minoring on the major, that's why Nigeria is the way it is today...

Goodrender:
I don't have to answer you because this thread has nothing to do with Tinubu or being Igbo , you're the one being irrational and illogical . When you do wrong learn from it and move on . What's the difference between you and Tinubu that thinks he's always right . Both of you are in the same boat .

The questions you should be asking is:

Why is the Alaafin doing injustice to that man?

Why is he so comfortable doing it?

What is the man's offense?

And if the man committed any offense, is it to threaten to kill him that the Alaafin should be doing?

If you can answer these questions correctly then you will see why Tinubu and the Igbos are related to this matter.

Some of you seem not to know how these things work, you think when you do injustice to a person or certain people, it just ends there, no, you just sowed a seed that eill will germinate and produce fruits.

Thats why I laugh whenever I see some of your people who who are supporting injustice or the nonsense Tinubu is doing against the Igbos saying Nigeria will be great or God bless Nigeria, bunch of jokers.

Indirectly they are saying Nigria should be great with injustice...

MIKOLOWISKA:
aren't you
Are you not asking for something in return that you will never see? That is Maga behavior

Sorry, I'm not, next time don't think everyone is like you...

Tinubu's achievement in less than 4 years, Buhari used 8 years to indebt Nigerians with about 300k each, Tinibu has used 3 years to add about 400k each...

Yet some folks from his region say he is the best thing to happen to Nigeria, you see one of the reasons I gave up on the unity of Nigeria.

dominique:
So my six year old sleeping soundly beside me does not know that he has gbese of over 700k on his neck

If you were a Buhari supporter or a Tinubu supporter now, sadly you have a hand in it...

SuperEagles:
And you can pist this with how many of you kin jailed daily across all Asia n Southern Africa prison.

Is that why Tinubu and you people supporting him decided to destroy Nigeria?

Goodrender:
oga this has nothing to do with Igbos and Tinubu . Sometimes it's better to remain silent than opening your mouth to say something unrelated to the issue and sounding stup

How to know an irrational and illogical thinker from your region on issues that have to do with Nigeria is with one question:

Is Tinubu doing well for Nigeria?

Yes or No?

budaatum:
A better phrasing would be, do you believe democracy is working in Nigeria, instead of you assuming what you think I believe. So let me enlighten you.

About 100 million Nigerians were registered to vote at the last election that Tinubu won with less than 10 million votes, with the two other major contestants getting 6.5 million votes each.

Did the about 75 million Nigerians who sat on their asses refusing to vote make democracy work for themselves?


I am doing plenty about it just by engaging you. At the end of our discussion, I'm hoping you'd not be one of those 75 million who did not participate in democracy and are now crying because you are being misruled or at least ruled in such a way that does not seem to benefit you.

Now answer my question please.

What does democracy mean to you?

So why hasn't your plenty worked in the so called democracy you believe in?

budaatum:
That does not in any way mean you "organized your own country as the government you claim to be", and your lack of comprehension is shown by your question.

So, let's start from the basics to help you.

Pray tell, what does democracy mean to you?

Nothing like lack of comprehension here, There is a reason I asked you that question based on your words and I will show you why after your response to this comment,

To answer your question, I don't believe in the basic type of democracy anymore, because it is too flawed, especially the type practiced here in Nigeria and even in the so called western countries...

If you really believe this basic type of democracy we are practicing in Nigeria is working, why is Nigeria the way it is today?

And why haven't you done anything about it through the so called democracy you believe in?

budaatum:
I feel you are way far smarter than to be seriously asking what you are asking above or even assuming that is what I am suggesting one do.

So, try again Brendaniel. I'm dying to engage with your brain with my solar energy that is giving me light to engage with you.

I'm only asking you the question based on your words...,

The citizens are the government! We just don't understand that simple fact yet, and is why we talk of government as if it is imposed on us from Mars.

Government is how citizens organise and do for themselves. We Nigerians seem to however find it difficult to organise and work together, which is why we store our own poo on our own land, and bore our own water from under our own houses, and must generate our own electricity by ourselves for now, until we learn to organise and work together.

Your words...

benardtotti:
Bro you are still getting it wrong, you should have told the guy that 200 cedis is 24k in naira and not equivalent to 1000 naira .

I did not get anything wrong, they were talking about purchasing power of the highest denominations, which I was showed him the purchasing power of each, so what have I done wrong?

Do you people read at all?