Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 12:51pm On May 30, 2020*. Modified: 7:33pm On Dec 31, 2021 |
[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=90120732]Your NIV, CSB, NLT, ESV are Deceiving you in saying "slaves" (Evil) not "Servants" (Regular and Ordinary Free Persons whom you see everyday) which is what KJV says.
Curiously no KJV.
Slavery means Complete Ownership and Possession of Fellow Souls like you.
And it is against the Most High Law that One Soul can Not and Should Not Posses the Soul of Another, as if he were a laptop or car.
Both the Wicked Soul Possessing and the Soul being Possessed are the Property of the Most High. Eg Toyota Sequoia can not Possess and shall Never be able to Possess Toyota Yaris, not to talk of Kia Picanto.
That is the Law and all who are in breach of it SHALL ANSWER TO THEIR |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 12:31pm On May 30, 2020*. Modified: 7:33pm On Dec 31, 2021 |
[s] Dtruthspeaker: Here it is.
1) The word is "Little Children" not Children.Mathew 18:1-6 and 10.
2) Mathew 19:14
3) Deuteronomy 1:39 (having no knowledge between good and evil).
In Law knowledge of good and evil is called "men's Rea" meaning "Guilty Mind".
And based on "Guilty Mind" God Judges All men as he has Always done since the beginning of the world. For guilty minds, Punishment; for good minds or hearts, Blessings!
Hence the truth of the other Post "God Still Hears Your Thoughts".
This has Always Been His Pattern from Genesis to Revelations! |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 12:13pm On May 30, 2020*. Modified: 7:34pm On Dec 31, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Paul said "Servants" not slaves which is not the same thing. For servants are Free and can Rebel or even Disobey their "Masters among other things
But a slave is in Wrongful Hot Captivity and Very Tight Bondage of which he Requires Freedom!
Therefore Paul did not talk about slaves or to slaves but to "Servants".
And Everyone at one point or the other becomes a Servant, for everyone has an Oga as we say.
So therefore he is simply advicing us that when we are called to reasonable service, we should do so rightly and with understanding that it is for Good, unless it is not for good. Romans 13:1-4  |
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Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 11:39am On May 30, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:
. None at all!
They are dead because we see them Not, but they are not DEAD!
Infact their case is so sweet because they would not even be in Court to stand trial (for doing Nothing) on that day,, unlike you and I and other grown Persons.
Therefore they all have Automatic Qualification to Live in the New World, God would make. They are the ones who Qualify Under the Law that says "Every soul that sinneth SHALL Surely Die".
They have not sinned, therefore, they shall not Die!
There case no even day court, but all of us get case for Court. Please attach a proof of this assertion or else, it was manufactured by your brain |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 11:33am On May 30, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: The world is not a perfect place for any of us, my man. This world is not our own, we are just passing through.There would be a new age, a new world to come. This opposes your earlier beliefs. You said bad things are not the intention of God. And that bad things happen because of sin. If unborn children and those below 7 years are without sin according to you, why will they be punished by a loving God for evil caused by sinners? |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 11:18am On May 30, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:
, you just had to ask! Children or persons under the ages of 7 are known and seen to be innocent of the Decisions they make or likely to make because, it seen and known that they Do not understand nor know what they do.
Therefore no one relies or can rely on their decision neither does anyone very readily act on them.
Therefore children comit No Wrong because they do not understand nor know what they do, neither do they cause anyone to Act on what they say or do.
My Lawyers say that they are not Criminal Responsible neither can they ever be, because they know Not what They do.
But can Adult say that he does not know what he is doing? Never, if at all, he has only 1% probability. He is Guilty 100% of the time and it is from there that his guilt may drop, if it is capable of being dropped! Perfect explanation. Unborn children who die from natural disasters like earthquakes, Tsunami, Volcanic eruptions etc, what crime did they commit? Even children less than 7 years have been reported to have died from such incidents, what crime did they commit ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 11:15am On May 30, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: That is my point hence why I said Show me any Christian in the Bible who kept slaves, not servants or labourers or employees. Slaves! The slaves Paul was referring to in Collosians 3:22 are what? Are they dead people or spirits? Are they non-Christians? |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 10:58am On May 30, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: We are arguing on the same point, show me a Christian who retained a slave not an employee or a servant, that I may answer you. A slave is different from an employee. You trying to bring in terms to change the meaning of the word? Those who are paid for working aren't called slaves. Even in the bible , they are called labourers or workers. |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 10:55am On May 30, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: You have alleged, you prove, I did not see any Christian in the Bible who had "slaves" not employees or servants.
Therefore Show me Seriously? Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Colossians 3:22” In this verse, who was Paul addressing the instructions to? Was it not to Christians? If the Christian's at that time didnt have slaves, why the instructions? |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 10:51am On May 30, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: You must be new here! I have answered all these questions before. No one on earth is Innocent, every soul from 7 years Old is Guilty!
Yam Must bear yam, Grape must bear Grape. An evil tree Must bear an evil fruit. If parents are evil, their children must be evil.
Satan is Evil and he is doing his own work. You choose what work you want to do? That is in your own hand and your own talent, do what you may with it  What about children below 7 years of age? What about those in the womb? |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 10:47am On May 30, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: In the new testament, paul said there is neither slave nor free but all are one in christ jesus. What could be better than that?  Now I see the results of your brainwashing! Now use your brain and tell me which is better Now it is Paul speaking: 1) Fellow brothers and sisters in christ, slavery is evil and God hates it. Therefore free all slaves that you currently own. 2) fellow brothers and sisters, no one is a slave. We are all followers of christ. Pls be sincere and tell |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 10:38am On May 30, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: I already answered you that He had and has always Condemned All Evil, including slavery. Repeating the question would not change its answer.
The Reasonable question You should have asked is why? And to what purpose?
I am sure you do not know that before Christ came it was Rightful to kill wicked and Evil people, that's what you see from Exodus through Deuteronomy and in the old Testament.
Evil is not Allowed only Good, Lives. That was the Will of God.
But the advice in Colossians stops us, (cos I and others like me would have been going about killing every evil soul we can find) because the The Destroyer that moved in Egypt and Even More Dangerous Brothers ARE COMING! And they would even do a better job than we could ever achieve. Your reply is laughable I must confess! Even during Paul's days, Christian's still had slaves. Now Paul came and told the slaves to obey their masters. Why not tell the Christians to let go of their slaves because slavery was evil? Isnt that simple enough I am waiting for your goal-post shifting answers |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 10:32am On May 30, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: You didn't reply to the message you quoted, just say you have nothing else to say or that you don't understand the message and principles of the new testament teachings. Same thing I have been saying from the beginning! It is you who is tired of defending the defenseless and an obvious dent on your God's attribute. While I am telling you that the God in the bible didn't abolish nor discourage slavery of man , you are busy beating about the bush concentrating on Paul. If you and I agree slavery of man by man is evil, then tell me why your God never considered it evil by telling the Israelites not to engage in slavery right from the old testament to the new? |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 10:24am On May 30, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: But he already told them, there is no slave or free in christ jesus, but everyone is thesame. So in that sense, a slave obeying his master, would simply be serving him like before but even better and with a new consciousness that he is a free man and not a slave, and his Christian master would not treat him like a slave, because they are thesame, this however doesn't prevent the former slave from serving him still in willing Christian service, and the so called master is now aware that he is no longer a master and would treat the so called slave as a brother in christ. There is only one master to both of them, and that is christ. This was the christian ideal at the time, and I think it was reasonable. An all-loving God wouldn't permit a human taking another human as slave. Except you wanna be economical with sound reasoning and truth. |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 10:18am On May 30, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: God made man all good. Satan was outside man and all he could do was suggest evil things as you have seen people do even around you.
You have the power to listen to them and do what they have told you to do or to not listen to them and do what you have or had in Your own mind.
That was what and who Satan was to man. But by eating the fruit, Satan entered into man's soul and now he joins man in making his decisions from within.
But again you still have the power to either listen to him and do what he tells you or listen to the Good you once were fully are (but are now Not) in arriving at your decision and carrying it out.
It is still your own choice to Good or to Do evil, where before you were Only capable of doing Good if you do not listen to Satan outside of you. This is what Adam and Eve Experienced Before Satan entered into their souls, like AIDS, Sickle Cell and all hereditary diseases!
We were all born Only after Adam and Eve were infected with Satan Disease which is Hereditary, therefore all us have Satan in us. And by the Knowledge and Knowledges of the Bible some of us have found a way of suppressing that Disease until our Creator, comes to pluck him out as He has Promised He shall do.
So till then we suppress on.
And the I say that the Creator All Mighty and Good, created us Good but it is who have messed up and have been messing up, not Him.
In this case Your Failure is your own not the fault of another! Your post is summary of the magnification of God's "all-loving" attribute. Is it Satan that created Earthquakes, Tsunami, Volcano, Landslides that leads to killing of innocent people including unborn children? |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 10:13am On May 30, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: And so I keep asking you, from the colossians scripture in the new testament you quoted, would you have preferred that the author say: Slaves campaign against your masters or revolt because slave lives matter? Also note that paul said: In christ, there is neither jew nor Greek, Male or female, scythian, slave, babarian, etc, but all are one in christ jesus. Isn't that good for a start? This isnt about the speaker. The speaker in that verse is a born again Christian. He hears directly from Jesus. It will not be out of place if the Christian God tells him to tell the Christians to abolish slavery in their capacity That they should free all slaves in their dominion. It doesn't matter if they obey or not. He has taken a stand. But rather what did we read? Encouraging them to have more slaves. |
Christianity Etc › Re: You could win all your case In a just society with this simple GOD's Rules by bright007(f): 10:00am On May 30, 2020 |
OpenYourEyes1: Are you enslaved by someone? Address the message and not attack the messenger |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 9:58am On May 30, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: Kai! I can't wait for The Lord God to show Himself. I would so love to see your face look so stupid on that day.
How can accuse God of Wrongdoing when He in fact and in and for Always, Condemned All Evil?
Is He not the One who said that if you have a servant which even means employee (not even slave oh) after 7 years, You Must Let them go free, if they want? Exodus 21: 1-6
I am very certain you do not know that slavery is the Wickedness and Evil which came out from the Good of Employment, which is God allowed!
For employment is based on consent and agreement (Contract) but slavery is the Wickedness of Stealing another soul (as if it is your own) to subject him to work, permanently and Always at your Wicked Pleasure!
Did God not Destroy the Egyptians and Syrians because of slavery?
Hate God for yourself and by Yourself! Yet another shallow defense! Destroyed the Syrians and Egyptians for slavery yet encouraged it among the Isrealites? Now slavery is different from apprenticeship or working for someone. When you go to war and kill innocent women and children and bring defenseless humans to your country and control all aspects of their life, that is slavery. Why did your God not prohibit that or speak against it. Even up to the new testament wen Jesus was alive, slavery was booming. During Paul's time, Christian's even had slaves. Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Colossians 3:22” |
Christianity Etc › Re: You could win all your case In a just society with this simple GOD's Rules by bright007(f): 9:29am On May 30, 2020 |
OpenYourEyes1: Slave to what exactly? Slave to GOD, sin/satan? Slave to man. When a man takes another man as slave |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 9:25am On May 30, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: How could jesus or paul lead a slaves lives matter protest in an Empire that cared so little about human lives? wouldn't that be foolish? you want him to waste the lives of those slaves? His duty was to die as their representative in their place, not to lead them to death. I am talking about God , you are talking about Paul! God never condemned slavery in the bible Yet, according to the bible he created humans |
Christianity Etc › Re: You could win all your case In a just society with this simple GOD's Rules by bright007(f): 9:22am On May 30, 2020 |
Can a slave love God? |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 9:18am On May 30, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: You keep using 21st century lens on ancient times. I repeat, the successful campaign against slavery in England in the 18th/19th century had more to do with the industrial revolution than human compassion. People knew slavery was evil before then, but there was just no better way to get cheap labour, it was a brutal era of constant wars, subjugations and survival of the fittest. This is a historical fact, don't give me sentiments, refute it logically. I am looking at it from the religious perspective. If humans knew slavery was evil, what about God who created them? |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Logical Question For African Christians. by bright007(f): 8:54am On May 30, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: The op is wrong about the issue of slavery in the new testament. Neither Jesus nor Paul could start a slaves lives matter movement because it would be the most stupid thing to do at the time. Jesus would be directly killing the people he had come to die for and save under a brutal era. Also slavery could not be condemned in ancient times, because a lot of manual work had to be done and there were little resources compared to today, since there were very few invented machines that could make our lives easier then. Slavery was condemned with the advent of industrial revolution in England. Your lack of knowledge or understanding of history is the reason for this absurd hypothesis of yours. What a shallow answer! That there were no machines to do work is not a reason for the bible not to condemn slavery. The very humans that your God created in his own image is being subjugated under another man and the bible supports it. How will such a human who is a slave live a life of choice? Please try to put up a solid defense this time. |
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Righteousness89: Iniquity , Abomination and Wickedness are being Pepetuated, and you are after Religion of this and Religion of that!
It's Really Unfortunate!
Be you whatever Religion you Term yourself, Wickedness is Wickedness! It's Evil! It's Abomination!
You need JESUS not Religion ! Religion takes you no where!
Having JESUS CHRIST [/b]is not a Religion, It is A [b]RELATIONSHIP What's the difference between what you are saying and what we are seeing everyday from those who are Christians? Even the pastors are not left out of the hypocrisy. |
Crime › Re: Four Grave Diggers In Ondo Caught With Five Human Heads by bright007(f): 9:34am On May 26, 2020 |
sevo: Not so bright after all!! Ignores the nitwit |
Crime › Re: Four Grave Diggers In Ondo Caught With Five Human Heads by bright007(f): 9:30am On May 26, 2020 |
Possiblegee: those that kill for Christianity to expand are not born again but the ones that die bc they didn’t deny Christ or that were killed are the real Christians and there is a great reward for everyone especially those who died for Christ ....boy your destiny is in your hands ...... Those who killed for christianity are not Christians!  Arrant denial of the obvious. If they were not Christians, who were they? Where they muslims, Buddhists, or aliens? Remember they had the bible in their left hand and a sword in their right hand |
Crime › Re: Four Grave Diggers In Ondo Caught With Five Human Heads by bright007(f): 9:27am On May 26, 2020 |
Righteousness89: [s][/s]
Very Irrelevant Summation Ma.. Yes it is irrelevant because it is the bitter truth of religious slavery which you promote. The millions of people murdered by christianity, the people that were enslaved, and those whose culture were annihilated are a testimony of how barbaric your religion is. It can never have been from God |
Crime › Re: Four Grave Diggers In Ondo Caught With Five Human Heads by bright007(f): 9:17am On May 26, 2020 |
Righteousness89: Even the Dead is not Safe!!
The Wickedness of This Generation is in Nuclear Powers!
Wickedness has become a way of Life and Living..
If JESUS Christ delays His Coming , the Wickedness and evil that will be seen in this Generation will be UnImaginable ,Undescribable and UnUnderstandable( if there is any word like that)
Humans have Totally Lost their Dignity and Conscience!
The Quest for Material things that have no Eternal benefits have eaten up the Consciousness of Humans!
They have Sold their soul to the devil..
The Wrath of GOD is a sure Candidate for this Generation Except The People Repent!
LORD JESUS Preserve the Innocent when you launch your Wrath ! I ask in JESUS NAME The way some of you shout christianity all over the internet, one would believe christianity was that peaceful, and excellent way to live life. But when you check history, the irony is the case. The number of people that were murdered for christianity to expand cannot be compared to the evil being committed in this generation. So before you go about shouting christianity, remember its ugly past. |