TAO11:


There is no need deleting the thread. If that's what you meant.

What are you worried about?

Worried? Why should I be worried when your propaganda has been disbanded?


Anyone following this thread should get the full gist now and know where to stand in this debate

TAO11:


I think your motive shouldn't be to win an argument but ro learn.

Having said that, I shouldn't actually have replied this given that your reply shows you do not know certain basics yet.

But I consider it a moral duty to reply. And I can understand why you may be feeling the way you feel about this.

Lucumi, Lukumi, Olukumi, Onukumi, Alkomi, and endless variant spelling of it are in reference to the same people of a known region.

Your argument (which I think you're making here) is that each of these variant spellings relate to different ethnic group. This is is at best laughable.

It is like saying that the different variant spellings of Benin (such as Beny, etc.) by the Europeans --refer to different ethnic groups.

If you've ever read a book on early West African history, you would have come accross such variant spelling by Europeans of African names.

What I will advice is that first get that article and read through its pages first to ground yourself in the basics before replying.

But to say something specifically in reply to your comment:

(1) The 4th paragraph uses the words "Lucumi" and "Lucamee" interchangeably in reference to on and the same thing.

Again, this shows that the variants are simply spelling variants in reference to one and the same thing.

But more than that, the region of "Lucumi" (aka "Lucamee", etc.) was specifically delineated on the map of WestAfrica in that same paragraph.

It says Alladah and Whyday are to its southwest, and Benin Kingdom is to its southeast.

Where is that?

Learn to read and understand, that will make teaching you easier.

Did you read the part where variants of the word are used to refer to people? E.g Onukumi


Did you read that there are variants of the word in America according to the writer? I guess according to you that variant also refers to a group of people in west Africa.


Did you also read the letter by the French missionary saying the language is called "locomin" ?

Isnt that different from lucumi being used to refer to a group of people?

That's what I was pointing out to you.

TAO11:


I am not sure why you're pained about our Ooni. Oh okay I understand, he is you God and our King.

Having said that, let me know if you need evidence for the following historical facts:

(1) Benin was racked by war and reduced to a mere village.

(2) Binis were still largely roaming stark n@ked up until the late-1890s/early-1900s, and perhaps later.

(3) Ibadan forces raided territories of Benin Kingdom for slaves.

(4) Yoruba language was imposed as the lingua-franca of the palace of Benin Kingdom and of the whole Kingdom itself.

(5) Ekaladerhan (your new found ancestor) does not exist in any historical writing prior to the early 1930s.

cc: lawani, Obalufon

If it is the 1897 expedition you are referring to, the Benis are proud of themselves having won the first aggression from the British but fell to the second one.


2) As for number 2, citations and proper evidence needed . Dont bring those ones written by your Yoruba revisionists and propagandists.


3) This is another falsehood emanating from your brain.Attached is a screenshot that says as early as the 16th century, Yorubas were employed as slaves in the Benin palace.


4) The attached screenshot settles it. The lukumi whom you are referring to were simply slaves. Now go run along with your tail between your legs

Now the essence of this thread has been defeated.


The creator of the thread should bow out in shame

TAO11:


Finally, a Bini boy is advicing the Binis to trust these reports in good faith.

So now let me expose the latest deception here by the gayboy.

The same account you posted (your 1st screenshot) makes it clear that those so-called slaves are not necessarily people whose ethnicity is Yoruba, but rather people who are not Yorubas ethnically but have also themselves adopted the language of the Yorubas -- e.g., the Bariabs.

You have to learn to read your own screenshots before posting them to the public and getting yourself disgraced like this.

In the light of these, it then becomes clear that those slaves who themselves are not Yorubas ethnically -- but non-Yoruba speakers of the language -- are not the same people running the show of Benin Kingdom.

How could slaves possibly enslave the King, the Chiefs, and the whole Kingdom; and then imposing a different language.

No, a slave cannot possibly do that. The imposition of Yoruba language over Benin Kingdom (as the report -- which gregyboy suggests we must trust -- shows) is by noble freeborns who are Yorubas ethnically.

You left the most important message in the screenshot that talks about the lucumies that were employed in the Benin kingdom and started beating around the bush.

Just like he said the Lucumies were the king's slaves.

They work to serve the king. It even goes on to tell you why the king had to employ them to serve him . So that if they commit an offense, he wouldn't hesitate to punish them.

You wonder why they spoke foreign language? Because they are most likely part of the spoils of war.

Dont tell me you are pained because the document says some of those slaves maybe from Oyo (a yoruba land).

It's all history now. Cheer up.

TAO11:


(1) This is like saying there is no evidence that Benin Kingdom had any historical event at all in the 1600s, etc.

This is because the only eyewitness evidence we have of past historical events in Benin was from the reports of these visitors.

We didn't write those accounts ourselves. Lol.

So, you have a lot of things to illogicaly reject, and by the time you are done with your illogical rejection, historical Benin Kingdom will be non-existent, at least in your mind.

(2) Probably that's why the visiting Europeans and the local Binis never communicated with each other since their first contact in the year c.1490. Lol.

(3) What about our ancestors who were not "brought up" in these foreign languages, but yet learnt them to communicate during the early years of their first contacts with these foreign visitors?

May be they never communicated. Who knows!? Lol.

(4) How did Latin become the lingua-franca of all of Europe? Did the Latins set up a class to teach all Europeans Latin?

Again, think about "Eweka" from "Owo mi ka" -- the young lad's first words. Your answer may lie here. Don't ignore.

(5) The same report does not talk about the decline of Latin throughout Europe, hence Latin was never once the lingua-franca of Europe.

Moreover, if I'm writing today as an eyewitness of the prevalence of English as a lingua-franca in Nigeria, I can't possibly document an eyewiness account of the decline of same lingua-franca.

Such decline will perhaps happen only in the future, centuries from now. Any such report I give about decline is not an eyewitness report but a prophesy.

Hmmm! The kind of reasoning we see from you guys is so pathetic to say the least.

Yet you indicated somewhere that you're different from the normal Binis who "can't reason critically".

Sighs!

(6) "Scared" to include things that has absolutely nothing to do the actual purpose of the report??

Again, the report was a note, by this church Father, to the higher authorities back in France -- explaining to them that "climate" and "language" is not even a barrier for settling in Benin for missionary purposes.

He said their climate is "good" unlike in other parts of the Guinea, and their lingu-franca "is easy".

How is the particular name of the ruler supposed to be one of such essential factors to be included in his note to the church leaders?

So that the leaders back in France can pray over the ruler's name before coming?

Let's analyze the documents leading to your assertion.

From the documents you posted, did you read and understand that there are up to four variants of the word "lukumi" and each with different meanings depending on the region?


Now let's take a look at the second paragraph of the document you posted. Here the writer says "Lucumi doesn't appear to have been used of Yoruba speakers with one exception" . The exception is that a small Yoruba group calls itself " onukumi" which certainly looks like a variant of the word " lukumi" .

And then the writer concluded that paragraph by saying " It is conceivable that it represents a survival of a usage formally more widespread in west Africa ".

This means the word "lucumi" had many variants with different meanings and wasn't exclusive to the small Yoruba people who called themselves " Onukumi" (another variant).


In the third and fourth paragraph the writer layed emphasis on the meaning and usage of the different variants of the word.

It was used to refer to a place or region. (with reference to west Africa, no European has ever visited where the word was used to refer to a place).

He also mentioned that lucumi was used to refer to certain people and that is where the Benin kingdom came in.
Now the writer says " Lucumies were employed in the palace administration of the Benin kingdom " .


Now, where is the connection between the lucumies that were employed in the Oba's palace and the "Onukumi" (the Yoruba group)?

That wasn't mentioned at all. The discrepancies in the word and its corresponding meanings should have guided in your spurious assertion that Yoruba language was used in the palace administration of Benin kingdom.


If you read your supporting documents very well, you will see where the writer emphasized the word was widespread and popular at that time. The word even has a variant in the Americas.


In conclusion, I believe proper understanding of the text you uploaded is all you need.

The Benin kingdom had a variant of the word with a corresponding specific meaning while other groups in west Africa had theirs including the eastern Yoruba group who called themselves Onukumi.

The facts and statements in those documents is not enough for you and your revisionists to make such spurious assertions.

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Fatherofdragons:


After killing igbos what has ur useless people benefitted for it, if not struggling to turn ur selves into 21st century slaves trying to get to Italy through Libya. Your women have turned themselves into sex slaves it's either they are raped or are forced to fvck dogs for the white man's pleasure while your men are ritualists.

I'd rather die in a war than been raped with a stick in the ass by an ugly looking Arab in Libya.

Continue living in the delusion of ''one Nigeria'' while ur people fall on top of each other in other to be the first to get beaten up and raped in another man's country because they want to escape the GLORIOUS NIGERIA they killed igbos for.

Most times you Igbo people forget that there is a log in your eyes but keep pointing to the dust in another man's eyes.

To be a prostitute in Italy and to be a drug pusher in India, Malaysia, Indonesia, South Africa, China, Oman, Spain and almost everywhere, which is more shameful?

Go to South Africa, igbos are being killed like flies on the street because of drugs

Go to Indonesia their prisons and jails are overcrowded by igbos for drug pushing. Check their death lists, and you will be amazed how many igbos are already signed to die by hanging, electrocution or firing squad.

Go to India and Malaysia, the police and security agencies now knows that every Emeka, Okafor and Chukwudi is a drug offender or fraudster.


I can go on and on about same tales all over the world yet you guys jump on every thread bashing Edo.

Go to nairaland front page and any drug related topic, it's the igbos.
Recently, some of your brethren carried their drug madness to your state and killed many of you because of drugs business.

Next time your mind starts to tell you to bash Edo for prostitution, ask yourself what about Emeka, Okafor and Chukwudi in Malaysia and Indonesia that are on death row for carrying drugs

oga snizzerkiller a.k.a chuks86 a.k.a godisgud86......you are still here with your Elitebook 820 to scam people


after bursting you severally on other threads with your several monikers , you still created this one because fraud is in your DNA.


until you refund and apologize to all those you have scammed here, you wont sell this system and you wont know peace

Godisgud86:


If you can name the people i have scammed and let them come here and confirmed that i scammed and i have done business with them. You are only a Jobless idiot.

ole ! ole ! theif.....

If you are innocent, come and defend yourself on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/4447059/please-just-got-scammed-snizzerkiller

To whom it may concern and to the safety of nairalanders, this guy is a scammer.


Do business with him at your own risk. He has many tactics and ways of scamming people. He has successfully scammed many people here.

Beware of him


check here to read about his activities

https://www.nairaland.com/4494604/reduced-hp-elitebook-820-g2#67406438

nairalanders beware......this guy is a scammer


CC

bobo65

Hajayman

elpacino481

damiosy

Godisgud86:
Very Neat UK used HP Elitebook 820 G2, core i7 processor, 16gb Ram, superfast 256ssd, slim and portable 12.5 inches Microsoft office already installed. Running on Windows 10 professional, webcam,, Very strong battery upto 4hrs plus,

price #125,000- *non negotiable*

Call=09084342167

no hiding place for scammers on nairaland!

chuks86 a.k.a snizzerkiller a.k.a Gearbay also has another moniker Godisgud86.

He scammed someone early this year of gift cards using chuks86. He then proceeded to scam another person of 60k on this thread using another moniker https://www.nairaland.com/4447059/please-just-got-scammed-snizzerkiller

he then posted this advert using snizzerkiller which he used to scam the guy of 60k on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/4436854/sleek-mint-hp-elitebook-820#66631702

He de-activated snizzerkiller moniker and posted the advert using Gearbay on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/4474095/quick-sale-uk-820-g2


he then marked the item as sold because he was busted as a scammer.


He then placed the advert again using another of his numerous monikers this time Godisgud86. Now to prove Godisgud86 is same person as gearbay......check out the phone number from his advert below

Hp Laptop Model : Elite book 820 G2
Processor Type: Intel Core i7 5th gen
Processor Speed: 2.6 GHz to 3.20 GHz
Installed Memory: 16 GB Ram
Hard Drive: SuperFast 256 SSD
Operating System: Windows 10
Operating System Edition: 64-bit operating system
Screen Size: 12'5"
Webcam: Yes
Charger: Yes
Wireless: Yes
PLACE An order for delivery today. Sms your NAME ADDRESS and PHONE or LAPTOP of your choice to 09084342167. 24Hrs Delivery Service Within Lagos N1000 (Payment on delivery) charge within Lagos

He uses same phone number 09084342167 as he uses on this thread

Elpacino481:
from this his statement I felt something was wrong. " Sms your NAME ADDRESS and PHONE or LAPTOP of your choice to 09084342167" who does business like that? is it a lotto?. Guy you're fake and a scammer. until you prove yourself innocent. Bright007 thanks for exposing this guy.

the guy is a scammer....he has scammed two people that i am aware of on nairaland this year. here ...https://www.nairaland.com/4447059/please-just-got-scammed-snizzerkiller and https://www.nairaland.com/3985148/dont-trade-chukky86-hes-scam


the evidence that nailed him is that he came here saying he has a shop at computer village but when you wanna have a deal with him he tells you to meet him at Yaba or that he can deliver it to you .

Gearbay:


You welcome...will be expecting you. So you can testify.

good one mr snizzerkiller......will make sure the last guy you scammed comes to the address

bobo65:


Ill b going to computer village on Friday, let me go check things out myself

good one my brother. you will be amazed how nobody will claim knowing gearbaby nor his product

here is his throwback post..........what a life

Gearbay:


You can keep barking, you are happy spoiling business, may your family find no happiness and from this day,all the curses in the Bible shall be yours, only if I am the scammer you think I am.


I rest my case. I hope it makes you more happy.

you are a scammer. i am in touch with the last guy you scammed. he will soon be here to provide more evidence . you may have scammed him, but you cant scam another.

bright007:
a quick look at your moniker will reveal you have only this product as your advert in two topics.

you created this moniker on the 20th of this month, just days after you scammed someone of 60k and deactivated your old account

bright007:


oga just shut up....which shop?

is it the one you aren't proud of putting in your adverts? Have you forgotten how you tell prospective clients to meet you at Yaba?

i wonder if your own computer village is at Yaba

deal with all these evidence up there and just throw in the towel. Decide today to start living a better life before scam erodes your destiny

Gearbay:


When you are done keyboard warrior, you know when to stop. If you don't have anything meaningful to say. Wa ba ti e Ni waju. To ma ba gbogbo nkan aye je. O de Ni ri atunse.

scammer ....you have been busted. i just saved another victim from falling into your trap. Now, that makes me happy.

Gearbay:
Come down to my store, I will pay your Tfare and let me know you are bright007.

oga just shut up....which shop?

is it the one you aren't proud of putting in your adverts? Have you forgotten how you tell prospective clients to meet you at Yaba?

i wonder if your own computer village is at Yaba

Gearbay:


There is a yoruba adage that said A-bi-i-ko; a-ko-i-gba; ode lo ti nkogbon wale.

show us proof you aint snizzerkiller the scammer.

Gearbay:



You need help.. I will stop there.

go and change your ways . Scamming people will ensure you die a puppet.


its on you at the moment to prove that you aint snizzerkiler. I will find someone who will verify your shop at computer village in no time. you are very lucky you didnt scam me or anyone close to me, by now, you for dey kirikiri or kuje prison

a quick look at your moniker will reveal you have only this product as your advert in two topics.

you created this moniker on the 20th of this month, just days after you scammed someone of 60k and deactivated your old account

Gearbay:



You are derailing my thread...with this false accusations, I'm not the above person. You should get your fact straight before accusing someone, displaying a product of thesame means I'm the said scammer. Get your fact straight before destory someone business.

see this scammer.....there was no specific location on your advert because you know you will be discovered. snizerkiller was operating from Yaba and you are operating from Yaba. he has this same product with same specs just two weeks ago and you have same product and specs.

Gearbay:



Hello I believe you are mistaken me for some else. I'm not by anyway associated with anyone or what you accuse me of. Get your fact straight.

Gearbay Ventures Limited is A registered company, you can come pay us a visit at Shop 34, 13 oremeji street, computer villiage.

Please get your fact straight before making a comment.

why didnt you put this address Shop 34, 13 oremeji street, computer villiage in your advert? you just put up any address which you dont have any relationship with. please tell us your the name you are known in that address and someone will volunteer to verify you.

is it a coincidence that you are operating from the same location scammer snizzerkiller was operating from? is it a coincidence that you have exactly the same products as him? is it a coincidence you created this moniker just days after snizerkiller scammed someone of 60k?

Gearbay:



Hello I believe you are mistaken me for some else. I'm not by anyway associated with anyone or what you accuse me of. Get your fact straight.

oga....refund the 60k you stole from your last victim. you created the moniker gearbaby days after you scammed and deactivated your old moniker

Gearbay:
Hp Laptop Model : Elite book 820 G2
Processor Type: Intel Core i7 5th gen
Processor Speed: 2.6 GHz to 3.20 GHz
Installed Memory: 16 GB Ram
Hard Drive: SuperFast 256 SSD
Operating System: Windows 10
Operating System Edition: 64-bit operating system
Screen Size: 12'5"
Webcam: Yes
Charger: Yes
Wireless: Yes
PLACE An order for delivery today. Sms your NAME ADDRESS and PHONE or LAPTOP of your choice to 09084342167. 24Hrs Delivery Service Within Lagos N1000 (Payment on delivery) charge within Lagos

HIS ACCOUNT DETAILS
ACCT NAME-OGBOLU CHUKS
ACCT NUMBER-3087459439
FIRSTBANK

cc graceglory

cc hayjayman

cc damiosy


cc fibonacci2526

cc ifyalways

Scamming people of their hard-earned money and playing legit on the side is like being a cameoleon.

So you de-activated your old account after scamming a guy of 60k and opened this one to continue your fraud. Well, you are not so smart as your ways have found you out, mr Snizzerkiller.



you scammed someone with your old moniker in the middle of last month https://www.nairaland.com/4436854/sleek-mint-hp-elitebook-820#66631702. While you scammed him of the money, you already put this advert up. when the victim cried out, you deactivated and created this moniker and posted same advert. what a cheap way to give out yourself


you also scammed someone here...https://www.nairaland.com/4447059/please-just-got-scammed-snizzerkiller