gregyboy:



Yoruba were never united under any ooni shit


Oduduwa was an idol that never existed


Samuel johson brought the idea of yorubas coming from Oduduwa it was never so in history
Many times in history ife waa ransacked by war

Obalufon:
Ogun lo ma e ti ran ti ran eyi ti mo so egba orun ti gba

gregyboy:


Nigga speak English

gregyboy:


Yoruba were never united under any ooni shit

Oduduwa was an idol that never existed

Samuel johson brought the idea of yorubas coming from Oduduwa it was never so in history
Many times in history ife waa ransacked by war

lawani:
Ooni's superiority is spiritual not physical. All obas have their people and domain where they are superior exclusively. If you want to count people then oyo is superior and not Ife. As a monarch, the ooni oversees Ife alone and that is not even up to Ijesa where the owa obokun is supreme.

gregyboy:



Yoruba were never united under any ooni shit


Oduduwa was an idol that never existed


Samuel johson brought the idea of yorubas coming from Oduduwa it was never so in history
Many times in history ife waa ransacked by war

lawani:
yoruba was united in the 19th century under Ibadan.

gregyboy:


The tracing of all yoruba history to ife was never historical, it was first used by Samuel johson




Again when did oduduwa exist

Obalufon:
Enu e' bi enu' eiye yen lo ma pa e''...

gregyboy:


Speak English bro

gregyboy:


The tracing of all yoruba history to ife was never historical, it was first used by Samuel johson

Again when did oduduwa exist

TAO11:


When did Ekaladerhan exist?

Show me Ekaladerhan in any writing pror to the early 1930s.

gregyboy:



Bitch shut up, you aint getting any replying from me


So stop quoting me I would reply a mad man questions not you.....


You LovePeddler

gregyboy:


[/s]Bitch shut up, you aint getting any replying from me

So stop quoting me I would reply a mad man questions not you.....

You LovePeddler[/s]

davidnazee:


Lol.. please be gentle on her
I have come across writings from the 17th century that mentioned the Ekhaladeran story.. I will post it if I find it.

gregyboy:


[s]Yep, i really have answers to her, but am not giving anything to her or have any discussion with her,

If she not taught a lesson by me now she mat never learn, how to be polite to strangers[/s]

TAO11:


TAO11 is a fool?

Give your so-called answers to other Yorubas. I will still come and catch you there and expose you.

Ekalderhan does not exist! Benin Kingdom 'yaff' been exposed!

TAO11:


I am not sure why you're pained about our Ooni. Oh okay I understand, he is you God and our King.

Having said that, let me know if you need evidence for the following historical facts:

(1) Benin was racked by war and reduced to a mere village.

(2) Binis were still largely roaming stark n@ked up until the late-1890s/early-1900s, and perhaps later.

(3) Ibadan forces raided territories of Benin Kingdom for slaves.

(4) Yoruba language was imposed as the lingua-franca of the palace of Benin Kingdom and of the whole Kingdom itself.

(5) Ekaladerhan (your new found ancestor) does not exist in any historical writing prior to the early 1930s.

cc: lawani, Obalufon

gregyboy:


The tracing of all yoruba history to ife was never historical, it was first used by Samuel johson




Again when did oduduwa exist

davidnazee:


People allegedly ascribed the invention of the word “Ekaladerhan” to Oba Erediauwa of blessed memory that he coined that word to discredit his Yoruba heritage, that thought is steeped in the abyss of the ignorance of such minds hence an illumination of facts will help in bringing this people to an historical light. Ekaladerhan first appeared in written word in 1903, an extract from a colonial recording in the 1800s and published in 1903:

“Gwatun was the head centre of the cult Malaku, the spirit of big water, i.e., the sea, big rivers, not creeks. Hence it is easy to understand why it should be the town set aside for the entrance to Benin of the white man who came to the big water. I used to be told in a vague way the tale of the foundation of Guatun. A son of a king named caladesan was its founder. Either his mother was false, or else he was accused of attempting one of his fathers wives. Anyhow he fled from Benin, and after much wandering and some magic with a palm tree and a turtle, took up his home at Guatun, where the turtle is sacred to this day, as it is also in Ilaro, to the west of Lagos colony, and in many other places. Caladesan’s town throve, and he defeated an army sent by the King of Benin. His independent sovereinghty was allowed but he was never to return to Benin”: - Great Benin: Its customs, Art and Horrors, by Ling Roth, 1903.

Note: in the old English language that R was written as letter S hence the spelling caladesan instead of Caladeran.
And Malakun refers to the Olokun cult which was founded in Gwato area.

gregyboy:


Most yorubas wont even read or even debate thier own history, not to say other people's history


They keep arguing thier history all around myth with no scientific consideration or factual analysis this tribe called are know for living in denial.....

Even wen politics is concerned

Oshi5403:


But Dont Forget That The Mythical History We Had Is That Oranmiyan(the Founder Of Oyo Empire) Was A Powerful And Well Spiritually Fortified Belligerant.
And Then,the Benin Empire Neva Had The Opportunity To Make Good Use Of Calvary Like Oyo Empire.

Am Not Saying That Alaafin Oyo Is Superior.Just Trying To Appreciate And Constructively Critisize Your Point.

bright007:


If it is the 1897 expedition you are referring to, the Benis are proud of themselves having won the first aggression from the British but fell to the second one.


2) As for number 2, citations and proper evidence needed . Dont bring those ones written by your Yoruba revisionists and propagandists.


3) This is another falsehood emanating from your brain.Attached is a screenshot that says as early as the 16th century, Yorubas were employed as slaves in the Benin palace.


4) The attached screenshot settles it. The lukumi whom you are referring to were simply slaves. Now go run along with your tail between your legs

TAO11:
@UGBE634 (aka @ORGUST) why do you have to create many monikers to type crap and then proceed to like your own crap with each of your many monikers??
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(1a) LMAO! I wonder why your king was a Yoruba king in 1937, etc. prior to the 1970s and the recent internet magomago.

See the 1937 “Conference of Yoruba Chiefs” wherein your king (and other Yoruba kings) admitted proudly that his ancestors went out originally from Ile-Ife.

(1b) H. L. Ward Price, a colonial civil servant and visitor to Oba Eweka II writes and I quote:

“Following the Oba, I went through a heavy Iroko door, which opened into a long, narrow, corridor-like room, with a tall window at the other end. He showed me a brass crucifix which was attached to a cord around his neck, and waited and waited for the first rays of the day to illumine the window, when he pressed the crucifix to his forehead, and prayed for the Oni of Ife, the Alafin of Oyo and the Oba of Benin (that is himself); after which he prayed for all the other Yoruba kings. This had for long been the custom, he said, whether the Oba was a Christian or not.”

{Be careful if you must respond to these points}
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(2) The name “Yoruba” (including its different foreign spellings/pronunciations) has no meaning whatsoever in Hausa language or Fulfude language.

See 1st attachment below from R. Burton’s publication from the year 1863.

{Please tell us the etymological meaning of the name “Benin” from any work of the same period (mid 1800)}
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(3) Oyo empire left no relics? You should pick up a book and actually cultivate the reading habit.

Read a book today — e.g., Archibald Dalzel’s “The History of Dahomy” published in the year 1793 which recounts Oyo’s imperial activities in the region (an EyEWiTnEsS account).

Capt. Clapperton & the Landers’ eYeWiTnEsS account notes that the Oyo cavalry men “have the reputation of being the best bowmen in Africa; and the young men soon become excellent marksmen by frequent practice and steady perseverance ... They amuse themselves daily by attempting to discharge arrows through a small hole made for the purpose in a wall, at a great distance from the standing ground, and I have frequently seen individuals accomplished this difficult task three successive times ... from a distance of up to one hundred yards. ... it requires great and unceasing practice to attain to so much perfection.”

I shouldn’t have to always do all these spoon-feeding always. Help yourself.
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(4) Lol. Of course Samuel Johnson (Ayinla Ogun) is the first Yoruba man to collect & compile a large account of Yoruba history and traditions. Guess when he did that. Take a wild guess. He completed his work in the late 1800s.

The first indigenous Benin person to collect & compile Benin history and traditions didn’t do so until the early-1930s.

Just putting this comparison out there so you can do what you wish with it. Concoct your fiction around it as usual, I’ll be back.
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(5) Awolowo and the British elevated the Ooni above other kings?? In which document was the superior elevation done? When? Where? Oh you mean I should take your word for it. Lmao.

By the way, Awolowo wasn’t born until 1909; & there are eyewitness writings from earlier years wherein the Alaffin and other kings admit recognize the Ooni as their superior. I guess AWoLoWo did the elevation while he himself was still in heaven yet to be born.

Moreover, the present Alaafin’s fracas with the former Ooni was purely their personal political difference.

That explains why you find the same Alaafin (older in age) bowing very intently to the present Ooni who is younger in age. See 2nd attachment.
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(6) By the way, the Benin kings of old already ranked themselves lower than Ooni and Alaafin. Refer to the reference to H. L. Ward-Price in which an eyewitness report of Oba Eweka II daily rituals to his fathers at Ife and Oyo. So, I’m not sure what you were getting at in your last lines. Lol.


Bini children needs to be thought to come to terms with reality. Your present generation is already gone. But at least start with the up and coming generation.

Cheers!
Cc: Oshi5403:

UGBE634:
If I am Orgust, let it not be well on anything, I lay my hands on, let my Children be retarded, but if I am not, let anything I do prosper beyond measure. If I am Orgust, let my days on Earth be short, let me die in a hurry, Let me die by motor accident, I have continually instructed you to stop dragging me into your foolishness, If you are senile I can't tell but please stop seeing me in your dreams. I have a couple or two of other monikers I use of which Orgust is not Among, I am not jobless like you, going about creating monikers for dubious purposes, please stop quoting me, we are not mate.

TAO11:
Amen.

And I hope you know that getting someone to type all these curses with your login details still doesn’t change the fact that it is you who will be affected.

I hope you know that sha.

Lol.