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Romance / Re: Refine Your Dating Game (Charm 101) Ladies Don't Enter! by butterfly88(m): 5:42am On Jun 16, 2017 |
g.m novelist guy thanks for the post Bro still got a lot to learn ibehodinakapeter@gmail.com |
Religion / Re: Theism And The Pettiness Of God by butterfly88(m): 1:50pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
one hell of an article @ o.p..beautifully articulated. indeed an all powerful God should be self sufficient and be free from all humane weaknesses however insignificant. but like to approach the concept of the creator "wanting" us to worship him from another dimension. and to do that I'll use this simple,human logic a teacher wants his student to study not because, the seriousness of the his student will make him(the teacher) a better person but because the students serious will actually make the student a better person. and when the student refuses to study the teacher becomes furious and sometimes is forced to punish the student,not because the students refusal to study affects the teachers future but actually it affects the student so from this logic, the teacher needs the student to study for the students own good. Now can we modify your article saying " God only "wants" the creature to worship him for the creature's own good and not because it adds anything to Him(God)..or better still it is you who needs to worship, God,and strive to be a better person and not God who needs your worship. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Literature / Re: That Little, Crazy Chicken! (A Comedy) by butterfly88(m): 10:02pm On Oct 14, 2016 |
I love this!! nice one @op ....keep it coming I'm so following 1 Like
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Religion / Re: How God Healed, Saved And Delivered Me From HIV (My Story) by butterfly88(m): 8:31am On Oct 14, 2016 |
...what a deliverance 7 Likes
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Religion / Re: A Sincere Question For Theists: Where Did Evil Originate From? by butterfly88(m): 8:06pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
shadeyinka:bolded sir...does this mean that the Creator was imperfect afterall, and has,no knowledge that his "perfect plan" will be altered.? |
Religion / Re: A Sincere Question For Theists: Where Did Evil Originate From? by butterfly88(m): 7:52am On Oct 13, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:I'm only against you attributing the origin of evil to Satan the accursed ...the creation of freewill is a better response..."and maybe that's the best design possible" |
Religion / Re: A Sincere Question For Theists: Where Did Evil Originate From? by butterfly88(m): 7:41am On Oct 13, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:ok..so it is from the creation of "freewill" afterall and not the devil |
Religion / Re: A Sincere Question For Theists: Where Did Evil Originate From? by butterfly88(m): 7:34am On Oct 13, 2016 |
... pardon me please,whats the verse trying to explain? @ doctoralien |
Religion / Re: A Sincere Question For Theists: Where Did Evil Originate From? by butterfly88(m): 7:26am On Oct 13, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:good, now: you're trying to push the origin of "evil" to push the origin of sin to Satan the accursed and this is not correct for it begs the question, does God have infinite knowledge? if yes!, that means therefore that He definitely knows that the creation of Satan will also bring sin(assuming Satan created evil)..now if He knows this prior to the creation of Satan and[b] wants a world free of evil[/b] Why did he go ahead with the creation of Satan? the only way we can resolve this is either god has no prior knowledge (that is he doesn't know what he is about to make), which is incorrect. i won't rush unto concluding...lets have your opinion. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: A Sincere Question For Theists: Where Did Evil Originate From? by butterfly88(m): 6:57am On Oct 13, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:What do you mean by "a being next in power to the Godhead please"? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 2:23pm On Oct 12, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:I really don't understand what you mean by a "misunderstood reading" of the anthropic principle, for most of the proponents of the principle support the view that the universe is fined tuned taking the bolded a step further it simply means that our seemingly fortuitous, suspiciously specific locale, temperature range, chemical and physical milieus are just what’s needed to produce life. also--- the more I examine the universe, and the details of its elegance , the more evidence I find that the Universe in some sense must have known we(the observers) were coming. — Freeman Dyson. also--- John Barrow another proponent of the anthropic principle states - the universe seems fined tuned for life and even went further to say " This is known as the antrophic principle" and John wheeler in his own version of the anthropic principle proposed that - observers are required to bring the universe into existence. his version simply says that any pre-life Earth would have existed in an indeterminate state, like Schrödinger’s cat. Once an observer exists, the aspects of the universe under observation become forced to resolve into one state, a state that includes a seemingly pre-life Earth. This means that a prelife universe can only exist retroactively after the fact of consciousness. Or simply put- an observer is required to bring the universe into existence so if anthropic principle doesn't support fine tuning and the fact that the universe was the result of "consciousness" what does it support? |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 11:33am On Oct 12, 2016 |
donnffd:1)I'm not arguing that there us "proof " of a hand that puts things in it their perfect position, but the facts of fine tuning "possibly" points to that...for there is something uncannily perfect about our universe. The laws of physics and the values of physical constants seem, as Goldilocks said, “just right.” If even one of the multitudes of physical properties of the universe had been different, stars, planets, and galaxies would never have formed. Life would have been all but impossible..here is where my argument comes in Tweak the charge on an electron, for instance, or change the strength of the gravitational force or the strong nuclear force just a littel, and the universe would look very different, and likely be lifeless. The challenge for physicists is explaining why such physical parameters are what they are. Also my final response to AgentOfAllah is this- true most of the observable universe is "dark energy" which is responsible for the expansion of the universe-the amazing thing again is--if dark energy were very much bigger we wouldn’t be here, Even a slightly larger value of dark energy would have caused spacetime to expand so fast that galaxies wouldn’t have formed. why are all these parameters "just right" for life? |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 10:33am On Oct 12, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:other fundamental constants asides Planck's lengths include, the Newtonian constant of gravitation, speed of light in a vacuum, harthee constant,stefan boltzmann constant, josephen constants et cetera... Let's call the others "finely tuned constants or better still parameters" these physical constants are also life friendly so to say...take for instance the velocity of light..i gave john.ydon n22 an example on how it will affect the luminosity of stars and render the universe adverse to life all the gravitation constants,if weaker or stronger it will affect the temperature of stars..and if the stars were too hot it will burn out too quickly and to cool it will render fusion impossible hence making life impossible. now a quick look at antrophic principle Robert dicke laid down his argument in this manner - assuming gravity was a hair stronger or the Big Bang a sliver weaker, and therefore the universe’s lifespan significantly shorter, we couldn’t be here to think about it. Because we’re here, the universe has to be the way it is and therefore isn’t unlikely at all. this to clearly supports "fine tuning" and most likely a conscious designer. |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 9:40am On Oct 12, 2016 |
donnffd:not attempting to insult you bro..only asking if you fully grasp the concept of fine tuning..i'm also not claiming to be a master in the field as for the bolded...this one is not a question of using the heart in argument(it isn't a topic of love)...various scientists(atheist and Theist) have argued in this line and have supported the concept of fine tuning notable of then is stephen hawking...and others too have argued on the contrary I am a student of knowledge and if you logic/opinion on the topic is superior I'll gladly accept having different opinions on something isn't a crime by the way. as for your question my topic isn't about comparing one universe with another but about the fundamental constants that governs the universe...why are they so "carefully chosen" to accommodate life? |
Religion / Re: Nature, Made For Man Or Indifferent To Man's Existence [the Article] by butterfly88(m): 9:19am On Oct 12, 2016 |
realtem:and equally interesting |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 9:02am On Oct 12, 2016 |
johnydon22:I wouldn't rush into disputing your opinion...but my take on fine tuning revolves around the fundamental constants that governs the operation of the universe , and there exists hundreds of these constants(as far as I know) and if just one of them was tweaked beyond its acceptable limit things will go out of hand for instance the speed of light,if it has another value asides the present,it will greatly affect the luminosity of stars which make it impossible for life to thrive here even the mysterious weak nuclear force, if it had been weaker life will be impossible from the beginning of time(the big bang) so the question is, are these constants which govern the universe carefully chosen for life, or a mere delusion (like the warm and the puddle) will you say fine tuning is mere fallacy even when presented with all these fundamental constants that works in-synch to support life, will you call them the result of mere chance? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 7:48am On Oct 12, 2016 |
@donnffd:do you even understand the concept of fine tuning to begin with? |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 7:34am On Oct 12, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:ok then 1) we have the force of gravity,electromagnetism,weak and the strong nuclear force and many many more like the nuclear efficiency,the cosmological constant,the plank's length....all these forces maintains a short range of values which if exceeded in the slightest will cause the universe to operate in a strange way and even render it hostile to life take for example the strong nuclear force, if it was say 1.99% stronger it will greatly affect the fusion of stars, i bet you know what this means.if not it simply means there will be no hydrogen in the universe, you should know what this means -- if the force of electromagnetism was a bit weaker or stronger the universe will die out in no time(short lived) --if the cosmological constant was a bit larger the will mean that the universe will expand too quickly,, and the result, the universe will form a solar type star in no time ---also the hiesenbergs uncertainties magnitude if too small, oxygen transport to cells will be reduced, and the effect, it will render some life essential elements unstable there are more of these constants,but will stop here as for your 2nd question...I think the above explains them too..to further clarify take the quote below The laws of science, as we presently know, contain many fundamental numbers(constants), e.g the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron, .. The fascinating thing is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life--stephen hawking cc.johnydon22 what is your opinion about this? |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 5:53pm On Oct 11, 2016 |
ValentineMary:you are not addressing the o.p, I never disputed or tried to dispute organisms ability to adapt. my argument revolves around the fundamental forces that governs our universe..and like I said and is correctly known if any of them had other values asides the present,there will be no us...and we wouldn't be here to speak of adaptation in the 1st place....how come all these values appear to be "carefully chosen" to suit life...is this evidence of calculation and planning and hence evidence of an intelligent designer or this correctly chosen values just came up coincidentally as sirwere pointed |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 5:03pm On Oct 11, 2016 |
Edenoscar:from the op--- it had become clear that if the Big Bang had been just one part in a million more powerful, the cosmos would have blown outward too fast to allow stars and worlds to form. Result: no us. Even more coincidentally, the universe’s four forces and all of its constants are just perfectly set up for atomic interactions the existence of atoms and elements, planets, liquid water, and life. Tweak any of them and you never existed |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 4:59pm On Oct 11, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:you'll get the info if you go through the op bro |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 11:59am On Oct 11, 2016 |
ifenes:very correct sire..taking it a step further,without consciousness matter dwells in a undermined state of probability...for instead the nature of the electron cannot be determined except there is a conscious observer..Therefore on a larger scale any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state hence consciousness should precede the universe.....i totally agree!! |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 11:38am On Oct 11, 2016 |
SirWere:oh...probability when used to explain why all physical constants in the universe are so fine tuned to support life is very wacky sorry to say....isnt it more logical to say that these values were carefully chosen...and not the result of merely tossing millions of dices and still ending up with the correct result all the time |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 11:24am On Oct 11, 2016 |
ifenes:hmm...interesting....if I get you correctly bro..." our perception of the universe is only a function of our mind? or to put it otherwise what we perceive as reality and how we visualise the universe is only a function of our consciousness...right? |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 11:17am On Oct 11, 2016 |
SirWere:wow..physics and science doesn't work that...take this concept imagine going for your project defence and want you were only able to come up with is " I randomly mixed this with that and guess what I got this masterpiece".....what will you expect from your audience...a round of applause? certainly not " |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 10:49am On Oct 11, 2016 |
hmm...you've made a fine argument, but here is the concept of fine tuning of the universe... all fundamental physical constants that governs the universe appears to be carefully chosen just to suit life this is evident from the fact that if you tweak any of them a little then life will definitely seize to exists. and I clearly noted that if the big bang was tweaked by one part in million time then there will be no us...this is evidence of fine tuning@ Edenoscar. my argument is clearly sighted in the op...take time to read please 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 9:39am On Oct 11, 2016 |
cc:johnydon22,ifenes, taurus25, sirwere, cooluseename,kevoh,lordnicklaus,valentinemary..... |
Religion / Fine Tuning Of The Universe, Prove Of A Designer Or Not by butterfly88(m): 9:30am On Oct 11, 2016 |
Our world as we know appears to be designed for life, not just at the microscopic scale of the atom, but at the level of the universe itself. Scientists have discovered that the universe has a long list of traits that make it appear as if everything it contains(from atoms to stars)was tailor-made just for us. Many are calling this revelation the “Goldilocks Principle,” because the cosmos is not too this or too that but rather “just right for life. Others are invoking the principle of “Intelligent Design,” because they believe it’s no accident the cosmos is so ideally suited for us. This puts us in the midst of a great debate,there was a recent trial over whether intelligent design can be taught as an alternative to evolution in public school biology classes. Proponents claim Darwin’s theory of evolution is exactly that(a theory) and cannot fully explain the origin of all life, which naturally it never claims to do. Indeed, they believe the universe itself is the product of an intelligent force,which most people would simply call God. On the other side are he vast majority of scientists, who believe that natural selection may have a few gaps, but for all intents and purposes is a scientific fact. And it will just be marvellous if the debate changed from the contentious one about exchanging evolution for religion, and switched to the more productive tack of asking whether science can explain why the universe appears to be built for life. Of course, the fact that the cosmos seems exactly balanced and designed for life is just an inescapable scientific observation—not an explanation for why Amazing it is that no matter which logic one adopts, one has to come to terms with the fact that we are living in a very peculiar cosmos. By the late sixties, it had become clear that if the Big Bang had been just one part in a million more powerful, the cosmos would have blown outward too fast to allow stars and worlds to form. Result: no us. Even more coincidentally, the universe’s four forces and all of its constants are just perfectly set up for atomic interactions the existence of atoms and elements, planets, liquid water, and life. Tweak any of them and you never existed Such life-friendly values of physics are built into the universe like the cotton and linen fibers woven into our currency. The gravitational constant is perhaps the most famous, but the fine structure constant is just as critical for life. Called alpha, if it were just 1.1x or more of its present value, fusion would no longer occur in stars.also, if gravity was a hair stronger or the Big Bang a sliver weaker, and therefore the universe’s lifespan significantly shorter, we couldn’t be here to think about it. Because we’re here, the universe has to be the way it is and therefore isn’t unlikely at all Electromagnetism is another of the four fundamental forces, that helps facilitate the existence of atoms and allows the entire visible universe to exist. And any small change in its value will mean that none of us will be her here. So you either have an astonishingly improbable coincidence revolving around the indisputable fact that the cosmos could have any properties but happens by chance to have exactly the right ones for life or else you have exactly what must be seen if indeed the cosmos is the product of consciousness. Either way, the notion of a random billiard-ball cosmos that could have had any forces that boast any range of values, but instead has the weirdly specific ones needed for life, looks impossible enough to seem downright silly. And if any of this seems too preposterous, just consider the alternative, which is what contemporary science asks us to believe: that the entire universe, exquisitely tailored for our existence, popped into existence out of absolute nothingness. Who would accept such a thing? Has anyone offered any credible explanation for this? what logic can explain this? Has anyone explained how dumb carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen molecules could have, by combining accidentally, become sentient—aware!—and then utilized this sentience to acquire a taste for pando and egusi? How any possible natural random process could mix those molecules in a blender for a few billion years so that out would pop conscious creatures ? Can anyone conceive of any edges to the cosmos? Infinity? Or how particles still spring out of nothingness? Or conceive of any of the many supposed extra dimensions that must exist everywhere in order for the cosmos to consist fundamentally of interlocking strings and loops? Or explain how ordinary elements can ever rearrange themselves so that they continue to acquire self-awareness and a loathing for jollof rice ? Or, again, how every one of dozens of forces and constants are precisely fine-tuned for the existence of life So is the very very structure of the universe is explainable only by acknowledging a conscious designer?. As the universe is fine-tuned for life, which makes perfect sense as life creates the universe, not the other way around. The universe is simply the complete spatio-temporal logic of the self. Or is there a better explanation for why the universe is fined tuned?...your opinions will be respected,,and I'll love a healthy constructive debate, all forms of squabbles should be avoided 3 Likes 1 Share |
Science/Technology / Re: A Brief History Of Physics(the Four Physical Forces) by butterfly88(m): 8:26am On Oct 09, 2016 |
spacyzuma:thanks sir |
Religion / Re: My Journey To Atheism (A Story Of An Ex Muslim) by butterfly88(m): 8:03pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
johnydon22:indubitably not,he'd be like He was never a christian,,he was never guided by the holy spirit...this here is the peak of hypocrisy |
Religion / Re: My Journey To Atheism (A Story Of An Ex Muslim) by butterfly88(m): 8:00pm On Oct 08, 2016 |
johnydon22:indubitably not,he'd be like He was never a christian,,he was never guided by the holy spirit...this here is the peak of hypocrisy |
Religion / Re: Type The First Word That You See by butterfly88(m): 9:58am On Oct 02, 2016 |
...babe |
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