₦airaland Forum

iknowwhoiam:
This might not be correct.

The mortality rate is around 1.3% ("https://time.com/5798168/coronavirus-mortality-rate/"), some may argue that it is below 1%

I agree that the flu has a vaccine, but is it effective? How many people dies in 2018 from the flu? - 80,000 people (https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html)

The bolded link is broken.. I'll like to view it. But anyway, I meant the case fatality rate. Which stands at almost seven percent globally now (in terms of confirmed cases). https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

As for the flu vaccine, the same link stated that only 49 percent of pregnant women received flu shots. Meaning that overall, not All of vulnerable people come forward for the vaccine.
Besides, the flu vaccine,, as with most other vaccines is known not to be effective on the elderly. Seasonal flu has a case fatality rate of 0.1 percent.

iknowwhoiam:
We are on the same page, if the drugs (Madagascar drug, IWU/Orji drug, remdesivir , HCQ + Zinc + Vitamin D + C) can reduce the mortality rate, that is great. That is what we want. If this is the case, then why the panic across the world?, If this is the case, then there is actually no need for the vaccine. Malaria (in Africa) and flu ( in the west) is even more deadlier than COVID-19. So why the fuss?

Covid is An infectious disease, highly contagious, mortality rate of about 5 percent. Has a potential of killing over 100 million people if it infects half of the world. It's a new disease, and those drugs you talked about are just being tried recently. We can't lock down economies for long.

The seasonal western flu already has some vaccines. Seasonal vaccines as well, that protect for a few months.

Malaria vaccines are being worked on. Covid is caused by viruses, malaria is caused by plasmodium, so I guess they might not have the Same ease of creating a vaccine.

Tayeni:
Thanks once again for your objectivity. Don't know why people don't apply critical thinking before forming opinions. It's just a matter of mathematics....one doesn't even have to be a statistician to understand it. Seems most people hate numbers.

I've confirmed that most Nigerians hate numbers. Especially when not attached to 'Naira'

iknowwhoiam:
Am advising you as a scholar, please do not use wikipedia as a source. It is unreliably. Please give me a credible source.

I'm surprised that as a scholar you'd be referencing such a controversial and well known conspiracy theory site. I know natural news right from the Ebola epidemic days where they helped spread falsehood and paranoia. They've been ostracised by ALL reputable scientific associations.

www.forbes.com/sites/kavinsenapathy/2016/12/23/naturalnonsense-friends-dont-let-friends-read-natural-news/amp/

The American council on science and Health rated them as 'pure garbage' science news source.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/03/05/infographic-best-and-worst-science-news-sites-10948

iknowwhoiam:
If your assertion is true, then the drug/therapy is efficacious if it can cure 2 patients.

Considering that the disease has a survival rate of over 90 percent, one needs to test it on thousands of patients before we can determine efficacy.

The remdesivir drug was tested on over 2000 people in the USA before they realised that it dropped the death rate by 30 percent. And they still haven't claimed it's a cure.

iknowwhoiam:
From your logic, if the drug can cure 2% of the test case (which is very very good - it is better than nothing) and 98% do not need drug/vaccine to recover, then why are you waiting for salvation a la - bill gates vaccine?

That's not what he meant in any way. Clinical trials require thousands of human subjects to confirm efficacy and safety.

Besides a 2 percent cure is totally pathetic. Considering that without any treatment, majority of covid carriers recover anyway. Unless they administer the drugs to serious to critical cases only, then we can determine.

Thirdly, Bill gates is funding about 8 out of over 100 vaccine candidates. There's no assurance that any of them will make it to mainstream.

iknowwhoiam:
Definitely, nobody in Nigeria knows about the bold.

Likewise, Iwu and co did not claim that their drug is a vaccine but rather a "therapy" if i may borrow your word. Even one of those claimants ( I belief Orji or so, please correct me if am wrong) had even volunteered to test the drug on himself. Why not allow him? Why not allow them?

I belief it still boils down to $.

The artemisia plant (the main constituent of the covid organics) is well known in the malaria research realm. And many companies already make drugs with the extracts. Many native people in Africa take the herbs in various forms against malaria and it's certified effective.

As for Iwu, he's already a member of the covid 19 task force in two states. He's also patented some plant extract herbal teas that have shown to inhibit SARS virus in the lab. He's collaborating with NAFDAC for clinical trials on covid but they haven't begun yet

isthatso:
well if he also made a claim for Ebola it means he seems to be in the habit of making claims for every new virus

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/01/nigerias-maurice-iwu-others-record-breakthrough-in-hivaids-treatment/

researchers who make breakthtroughs in medicine tend to spend years and decades researching one particular illness. E.g you have researchers whose entire careers is focused on HIV, e-coli, staph, herpes etc. It is this singular focus that tends to lead to breakthroughs. Iwu seems to be claiming cures for every new virus that surfaces every 2 years. Which tells me he does not focus on one and as such lacks the speciality to be an expert in that particular virus because he doesnt focus his attention on one particular bug...he seems to be a jack of all trades master of none despite being a professor of virology. I think the fact that none of his claims have come to pass or resulted in any medicine also suggests, his peers and industry agree that he is just a noise maker.

Just to set the record straight, his HIV research wasn't a cure for HIV, but for treatment of HIV related diarrhoea. And he was part of a research team. And yes, the botanical drug was approved by US FDA

iknowwhoiam:
On the bold, why not give him the opportunity to prove his case, Did Madagascar went through those 'Animal, clinical "trials, yet their (President) government stood solidly behind the researchers. Guess what, the drug seems to cure the virus to the extent of sending it to Nigeria.

We have the resources in Nigeria that can dig us out of this quagmire, yet people seems not be interested in the cure, rather in $.

The Madagascar herb is a well known malaria medicine and widely Used malaria therapy. It doesn't need animal testing in My opinion. What it needs is large scale human clinical trials as it's already being done by distributing it to other countries. Madagascar does not have enough cases to confirm it's efficacy

iknowwhoiam:
Any evidence to buttress your assertion?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_News

Hopefully you'll never visit that site again.

seunlayi:
leave empirical condi, Madagascar don't wait for that before testing what they have.

Madagascar tested their malaria herbal mixture on less than ten people before they cried out that they've found a cure. Yes, they have almost 200 cases and not deaths, but Vietnam has a more impressive record. The Island of Réunion too. Rwanda as well.

Sunshineg5:
If you truly have a drug that can cure Covid 19 sir, you should share it with Drug companies around the world.

You don't need the Nigerian federal government, you would become an instant billionaire

You Dey mind am? Iwu is a seasoned Pharmaceutical Expert, no doubt. But his antics in INEC has cast a doubt on his personality.

He actually did a research on coronavirus years ago, though they were based on the first SARS strain. dunno if he went further to clinical trials.

All the touted treatments available now can only at best nourish the body and boost immune . Underlying conditions, age and maybe genetics will play a role on whether one survives the critical stage or not.

mrZENographer:
Hydroxycloroquine +zinc miraculously cures COVID-19. See research also on Vitamin d3

But you won't hear these from Big Pharma +Bill Gates + Dr Fauci + Emmanuel Macron + U.N + E.U + W.H.O whose agenda is to have the whole world vaccinated, tracked, controlled, depopulated.
so WAKEUP.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-27-study-claims-hydroxychloroquine-doesnt-work-coronavirus-left-out-zinc.html

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-17-coronavirus-dream-come-true-for-bill-gates-lives-to-vaccinate.html

If you read these articles from A-Z congratulations. You are now smarter than 85% world population. Please share to others and stop Big Pharmaceuticals.

To learn even more, head-over to Corbettreport's channel on YouTube and watch the episode beginning from "How Bill Gates Monopolized the Global Health Industry"
https://m.youtube.com/user/corbettreport

Natural news is a joke of a site. Well-known nut jobs

Kobojunkie:
Well, even in the jungle that is Nigeria, how often have you read stories of persons lying dead right in front of a hospital?
You got to admit that somethung about this don't seem normal even as far as nigeria's normal is concerned

Even if it's not covid that killed her directly. It could also be indirectly. Due to the fact that health officials are reluctant to attend to patients without protection. or the lockdown measures might have made them seek medical attention late due to lack of funds

joshepade:
I'm still confused on why Bill Gates is playing a major role in the COVID-19 saga.
Is he a doctor?
Is he working with WHO?
Is he the president of a country? if it's NO then,
Who the hell is Bill Gates?
Why must we use his vaccines?

He's had decades of of experience in Funding of research and delivery of affordable healthcare to the poorest of the poor. Decades. He's personally funding ten covid vaccine researchers out of almost 100 candidates right now. There's no approved vaccine yet till they finish their trials

ghettokid1:
Noooo, you are the brand Ambassador of the vaccine, you, your family and friends will be injected 100 times before it reach my side

What vaccine are you actually talking about, out of the almost 100 being tested?

ghettokid1:
He may be right btw. WHO discredited all conventional therapeutic drugs and treatments and tagged Bill Gates' vaccine as 'the only solution and remedy' to this pandemic.

Stop being deluded. The guidelines for treatment of covid was partly drafted by WHO.

Any treatment, drug or vaccine candidates must undergo a clinical trials and certified.

According to local legend, the startling relationship with the predators dates back to at least the 15th century.

The village was in the grip of an agonising drought until the crocodiles led women to a hidden pond where the population could slake their thirst.

"The villagers organised a party to celebrate and thank the reptiles," Kabore said.

A celebration known as Koom Lakre is still held every year during which villagers make sacrifices and ask the animals to grant their wishes of health, prosperity and a good harvest.

"Crocodiles are represented as the soul of our ancestors and if one of them dies, they are buried and even given a funeral as if they were human," said Kabore.

"When a misfortune is about to happen in the village, they cry out. Elders are charged with interpreting the cries, and then make wishes to ward off bad luck."

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/sacred-snappers-in-bazoule-a-burkina-faso-village-people-sit-lie-on-crocodiles-1869627?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

Bazoule, Burkina Faso: Crocodiles may be one of the deadliest hunters in the animal kingdom, but in a small village in Burkina Faso it is not unusual to see someone sitting atop one of the fearsome reptiles.

People in Bazoule, around 30 kilometres (20 miles) from the capital Ouagadougou, share their pond with more than 100 of the razor-toothed creatures.

"We got used to the crocodiles when we were young, swimming in the water with them and all that," said Pierre Kabore, just a few metres (yards) away from a crocodile feasting on chicken provided by the village.

"Now we can always approach them and sit on them -- and if you have the courage, you can lie on them too. There's no problem, they are sacred crocodiles. They don't do anything to anyone."

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/sacred-snappers-in-bazoule-a-burkina-faso-village-people-sit-lie-on-crocodiles-1869627?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

WukedP:
Google why Bill Gates wants indemnity and you Will see it Lazy boy

During clinical trials of any kind, it is always normal to sign some consent, indemnity and sundry agreement. Go find out. Do you know how many lawyers are waiting to destroy industry tycoons in advanced countries with the flimsiest lawsuit?

Zyzxx10:
Thank God.I thought you guys were still following WHO's orders.

Of course they're still following WHO directive by formally testing any possible solutions following laid out guidelines

olumide4christ:
Please quote your official source where it was stated that USA or indeed any other country would FORCEFULLY administer Remdesivir clinical trials on any of it's citizens? Countries that take human rights seriously?
I want to know who said so.

This is how they Keep spreading what they don't know about. Remdesivir is an established anti viral drug, already tested and approved years ago.

Gkemz:
103 deaths out of 3145 while Madagascar has recorded no single death. Madagascar pls come to our rescue... Don't mind our wicked leaders who failed to close our border on time thereby allowing incomers to import the virus.

Call out to Rwanda, Vietnam, Faroe islands and co. As well.

TheKingIsHere:
Gbam!!!

Thats why they dont want people to believe that an african country can get the cure.

Also, they are after all the resources in africa.

If only our useless leaders can wake up

No one said a cure can't come from Africa. But such claim has to be exhaustively confirmed. Else you'll just end up sending organic beverages for people to be drinking at best.

Angelfrost:
Just look at the figures from Madagascar... What would it cost Nigeria to send emissaries down there to learn what they are using, get it in here (I can bet you we already have the plant wasting away all over here), and get us back on track??!

All we do is copy the foreigners, even in their inadequacies, while also waiting on them to spoon feed us a cure or vaccine!!!

Overall, Africa has low figures compared to the other continents.

They should also send to Rwanda and Vietnam that have similar record then.

Diiet:
Meanwhile there is a tiny country in Africa with zero death, what is working for this country WHO says other Africa countries should not accept and they are obeying like slaves. Only God can help this continent.

Rwanda also has no death. Likewise Vietnam and some other countries with over a hundred cases and no deaths (yet) . They should subject their concoction to formal clinical trials.

That was Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) , a variant of the coronavirus family.

Correcto:
I need the source where it was predicted first.

It's an extrapolation made in some analysis. I'm showing you that the current fatality rate so far is already circa 7 percent of infected. Already above the 4 percent I used in the example.


The prognosis of the virus is far more dire than the 700,000 estimation of bill gates, take it or leave it.

Correcto:
Date of published article from original source please ?

these are the current stats from the US..

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/

For Global cases, below, :

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-maps-and-cases/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (Interactive spreadsheet and graphs)



Stats are updated daily.

ZombieNation:
Lets assume the vaccine is perfectly safe and there are no hidden agendas behind it. You see the problem is that your vaccine solution has to be implemented on all by force for it to be effective.

It requires a tyrannical Medical order to have it effected. What this useless Bill is all about.

This is where it goes against the right to decency.

I am not owned by anyone. Be it the State or a corporation.

I am not a sheep in a sheep farm that you must vaccinate.

I am a human being created with inalienable rights bestowed on me by the Creator!

well, the mandatory vax in the bill are targeted towards children. There are loads of safe vaccines which I believe you and perhaps your children have taken. They will surely discuss the bill and consider the concerns of the citizens.

manuelreports:
That is a cover up man
The real vaccine will not be disclosed nah
The question you should ask is why the rush
Just watch as this bill be passed effortlessly
Money has changed hands and they must deliver
They have sold our country to the hands of the devil.
The new world order is here
It is just matter of time we will start seeing many of thwm

You've forgotten that we are in a pandemic, efforts have to be made legislatively, practically..... even militarily to cut down the infections and fatalities. another option is to allow for natural selection. Make zero effort and allow the old,weak and vulnerable to perish.