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Demmzy15:
Ya he did, crucifixion is not a swift death. It's a slow form of execution in which some criminals might even survive. Moreover your assertion that Jesus was under the scorching sun is wrong, the bible states that the whole earth was covered with darkness and when he died the temple curtains got torn.

Are you for real? I mean, this your manner of response is quite okay; I'll respond likewise:-
Though I didn't make the Bible my only source, I am more into the KJV of the Bible. I took note of the verses you quoted from the book of John:
19:29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth...

We all know there are different types of vinegar, right? So which was it?

Apparently you are familiar with the Bible. In correcting me concerning the "whole earth" being covered in darkness, you quoted from the book of Mark where the type of vinegar was specified in KJV:
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Mark 15:23 And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.

It can therefore be said that it was herbal wine vinegar as opposed to "poisoned" vinegar. A jar full of wine vinegar, probably for the use of the soldiers, and occasionally offered to the sufferers to soothe a part of their torment.

Hyssop plants have these bitter leaves used in little amounts in salads and as seasoning in soups. But in this case we talking about the stalk, to reach for the distant lips I suppose.

Therefore Christ could not have died from tasting the soldiers' wine...Wouldn't you agree?

This story is not found in the Quran, he died four years after. So what lesson can we derive from what you wrote? 

Yeah, I found out that stories like that aren't found in the Quran. It should be from one of the Biographies of Muhammad right? I also read it from a Muslim who was defending his Prophet. My wonder was:
Why did he the Prophet (who detected the poison which his companions didn't) allow his companion to eat the poisoned food which killed him first? Was Muhammad trying to prove he's a Prophet/ a miracle working one at that? The story states that the food told him:
"There's poison in me" and yet he ate the food together with his companions. Why? I really want us to make common sense.

Of course it does, the OP was accusing the Prophet Muhammad of something that happened the biblical - jesus. So hope you get my point?

I must say you almost nailed it but citing wine vinegar to mean poison is the point I'm yet to get.

I do know for sure that how a Prophet dies does not and can never discredit such a Prophet. Even Christ was reported to have said:

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee..." Matthew 23:37

Demmzy15:
Like I always say, you're a local champion and a big loser. You created a similar thread on this issue and you were beaten blue-black on your own thread. So you actually thought we've forgotten about it, then you brought up the issue again claiming to be superhero?! here is a link to your own thread https://www.nairaland.com/2379854/muslims-explain

This was the reply I gave you.


Now if you continue to emphasize on this poisoning issue then the verse you quoted in Jeremiah also fits your Jesus because he was poisoned too!

"A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." John 19:29-30

So from the above verse, bro Jesus probably asked for water and he was instead given poisoned vinegar. Your god then drank it and told them "Bros I don finish" and then died immediately . So you actually want to compare this biblical jesus to the Prophet Muhammad?! Biblical jesus couldn't even survive for some hours.

Parisbookaddict your fallacy of double standards is disastrous, you're just belittling yourself here! Be careful with the way you create threads here, because I fully know my replies and other Muslim replies to you. If you try and fumble, we'll be waiting for for you!

"You are exactly a foolish stupîd child of Jesus" - Rilwayn001

Okay so according to the Bible, Christ Who'd been hanging, crucified to the cross under the scorching sun was poisoned and died instantly from the poison.

While according to the Quran, Muhammad who was relaxed and seated with his companions, ate a poisoned food (with his companion) even after he heard the food say to him: "There is poison in me."... and Muhammad lived/survived for four more years while his companion who ate it first expired instantly.

Makes sense... I should think..

Rilwayne001:
You are exactly a foolish stupîd child of jesus

[size=15pt] "For my people are foolish, they know me not, they are stupîd children..." Jeremiah 4:22 [/size]

iamjane:
Nice one

parisbookaddict:
Take a look at yourself... Arent u ashamed..?
Look at the silly comment u made..

Is this what he looks like? Hmm, well he's got quite a personality judging from his countenance... though his eyes betrays a seething and surging wave of emotions deep within... He's most likely a highly emotional kind of sombori little wonder his moniker posts certain kinda comments every now and then.

parisbookaddict:
Lol..dont mind tartar9 , he still has a lot of growing up to do...where have u been buddy...?? i have missed ur posts.. they have banned ifeann by the way..lol

I've been around (backstage kind of), keenly going through your 'revelations' and observing to see if there could be but one moniker who could really confront you with facts, tact, adroitness and truth from every corner in a logical manner.

I couldn't help but chuckle, sometimes even lol, when all I could see were chaotic monikers here and there throwing tantrums at your moniker in a helter-skelker kinda way.

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They just can't stand your resilient, Forceful Will (which reminds me of WILLiam WilberFORCE) especially as you are a 'woman'; if they had their way they would irl, beat or attempt to beat you... but without knowing it they thereby reveal their probable psychological predisposition to the girl-child who has not yet a will of her own, since for the most part the girl-child is a lovable plaything to them which they wish to enjoy, just to satisfy their own desires unabated.

@Ifeann, I went offstage also as I was contemplating on this issue you have so emphasized (which of course can never be overemphasized) to the extent that I'd wanted to create the topic:

"Child-Marriage! A Solution to Paedophilia and Child Abuse?"

But I decided to rather observe more from you guys and my environment especially now that it has also become a national issue like what we have with jihad/insurgency.

I came up with that topic because I observed from your (i.e. you and the Muslims) arguments and discussions that seemingly, the Muslims are using the sanctity of "marriage" as a cover-up (or so to speak, as a 'hijab') for the paralysing weakness in some male folks known as paedophilia thereby making such a weakness permissible and justifiable.

Child-Marriage!
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The conjoined words, 'Child' & 'Marriage' is an oxymoron in itself. What is to be found in a marriage with a developing CHILD?! They (Muslims here) lopsidedly speak of puberty even in the face of precocious puberty. The signs are there and the message crystal clear. It takes just common sense; for such a (precocious) child is like a fruit the kernel of which is still unripe, whereas the shell is already about to grow old!

Unveil 'Child-Marriage' and what would be revealed would be the gore of 'Child-Sex' or to put it quite bluntly, 'Perpetual-Child-R*pe'... nothing more.

I wouldn't want to say further, I'd like first to comprehend the psychology, amongst other factors, behind the individual(s) or group(s) who is/are 'pro child-marriage' as you coined it.

I was unperturbed by these things until I met your moniker - Ifeann. Ever since, I've become more conscious of my environment in that regard. - For he who does not yet wish to recognise the precariousness inherent in these matters (which you are pointing out) which steadily increases in every country on earth, nor see in the consequent confusion and helplessness a disastrous setback, just because he himself still happens to have enough to eat and drink – such a person no longer deserves to be called a human being, for he must be inwardly corrupt and blunted to the suffering of others.

IMO, child-sex and genocide (even as regards apostasy) are extremes I am yet to observe but one Muslim in this forum deny or renounce vehemently.

Here's wishing the human beings who are Muslims a joyous Eid-El-Fitri celebration.

**puts pen down**

parisbookaddict:
Only posted what ur quran and hadiths said about ur prophet..he was a sex addict and sicko.. so save ur insults for ur unholy quran..

Cc
Rilwayne001
Demmzy15

In other words, his post is a classic case of:
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[size=14pt]"Tar calling kettle black"[/size].

Rilwayne001:
LOOL

Thats exactly her nickname

She was busy downloading my pix and that of tartar. I guess she has been mast'''''g on them as tartar claimed. What a IndecentStar she is............SmH

I always knew that was the case. - As long as we're in this Gross Material World, Science and Religion must blend to form a complete wholesome picture. Science is but an attempt to fathom and explain the material manifestation of the Power and Will of God... While Religion/Spirituality, all that cannot be perceived by earthly means. And earthly means are the physical eyes, the brain and all other parts of the body, also the instruments that help 'scientists' do their work still more accurately and precisely, and to extend its scope.

crusadistic:
you seem pained Ifeann da sex maniac

The Great Outcry https://www.petmd.com/sites/default/files/5602982006_d384a2cb1c.jpgThat moment when she lifts the protecting cover from the lair of a poisonous snake that suddenly realizes it is exposed, it will naturally try to rear up and bite this 'ruthless' hand:
[quote author=crusad.istic post=34689833]you seem pained Ife.ann da sex maniac

Emp.iree:... and now behaving like imb.ecile. Get a life

ricsman:
[color=indigo]I know where that fury comes from: moral fiber, good conscience, and love of people[/color]. I want to assure you that it was the very same sentiments that drove me to come up with that bill and the same sentiments that led Senators and members to pass it.

I think it may be fear of Senator Yerima that is at play here.

For your information, Senator Yerima and all other Senators who participated in the debate, the two times the bill came up on the floor, supported it as a vehicle for instituting a stringent law barring all ranges of sexual offences in Nigeria.

Under this bill, pedophiles will be put away for life not made rock stars as we do today.

[color=indigo]By your robust advocacy against the bill preventing sexual abuses of children, you foreclose the future of children in this society[/color].
-Chris Anyanwu

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OREMUSSANCTUS:
He nids our prayers https://www.nairaland.com/2154501/drug-anxiety

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seemples:
I see, I seeee!!!





You're the authentic umpire, true! Any other name that sounds close (emp.iree dem), is a learner - wannabe!

crusadistic:
rather the opposite he is even defending Jesus(AS) the Slave of Allah who was never crucified as a thief who was nailed on a cross as you xtians indirectly imply.

crusadistic:
rather the opposite he is even defending Jesus(AS) the Slave of Allah who was never crucified as a thief who was nailed on a cross as you xtians indirectly imply.

I'm not into 'religion' in the first place, so feel free to tell me what you mean by "indirectly imply" and how he was defending the 'Christian Jesus' because from what I know of, Islam emerged centuries after Christianity.

Aminat508:
. Edit and put a dot

That's so not cool; would seem like Book Spacing. Besides, did you just misquote me; when did I make such a face?

With death all men are equal.
He lives on.

I find this Topic rather misleading.- This is what a Muslim really thinks about Isa Messiah irrespective of the name(s) He is known as in Islam:
[quote author=tar.tar9 post=32832166]my pain or your pain or that of that dead thing you call god why do you have to comment worshipers of a crucified pig!

parisbookaddict:
I actually wrote that myself but i copied christian and islamic texts..

The truth has been prevailing and will keep prevailing...
Christ said the gates of hell shall never prevail over his church. .. islam is from the pits of Hell and has failed for 1400 years to over take Christianity. ..

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seemples:
Was waiting for Ifeann too oo...

even the tug of war participants don switch sides just in case but result is still same same.

You're quite observant. Let's say the flipped version depicts the recognition of the person of Ifeann in parisbookaddict.

That has had the effect of also making the scenario tilt in contradistinction to the original version.

Also observe a change of the last two participants; depicting the current trend where some "contenders" are missing in action.
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They have proven themselves to be the "Pawns" who -realizing how hollow/lacking were their insults and assault- had to bow out. They weren't worthy "contenders"... they missed the point from the onset.

Observing...

parisbookaddict:
Soyinka was smart in his assessment and write up. ..

There is a rumor going on that Sanusi lamido emir and former cbn governor. .a man i admire and will vote for any day should he run for political office is currently about to take a 17 year old as a wife. .

I really doubt this because i am of the view that he is to well educated and too widely exposed to do this...

But this immoral behaviour is common with even the educated muslims...especially the northerners. They are quick to use culture and religion to feed their desires like yerima..

This is where the current president is different. .. a man who is monogamous and has been with aisha for years after the divorce from his first wife. A man accused of begin a pro sharia bigot but had been with less women than the "Christian" ex president obasanjo...

So while i condemn the over sexed pro child sex deviants like empiree 9jaforlife tola9ja rilwanye001 etc who copy/ intend to copy mohammed i acknowledge that a lot of Muslims don't follow the more eccentric teachings of Mohammed. .

Very well said. With many, religious zeal blinds them to the truth... but not with you. You're not one-sided in your assertions and that is what makes you worth listening to.

YourMain:
What? Are you trying to preach feminism ?

My earlier post had nothing to do with feminism. Like I said, I quoted that phrase of yours in isolation, just to buttress a point.

However, I'm not an advocate of "feminism" in the sense that: "What a man can do a woman can do it even better." IMO, that's an aberration of what was intended ab initio... they both have their God-assigned roles which shouldn't be mixed up. BUT that is not to say that the female gender is of any lesser worth than the male gender; even to the dehumanising point of objectifying her.

Let me summarise this as I can't say all there's on this issue on this thread:

In reality, the female is just as strong as the male on earth, only in a different way. Man is not the stronger sex but only the coarser sex, i.e., the denser one; womanhood, however, is not the weaker sex, but merely the more delicate, the more “loosened” one, which has nothing to do with weaknesses.

These work either actively or passively side by side, and yet they constantly strive towards one another, since the two species can only achieve something which is perfect through their joint activity. However, it only becomes perfect when the two work with equal strength and strive for one goal...

Alas, man in his advancing dullness abused this "Divine Order"; rather than protect and respect, he took advantage of and abused womanhood, turning her into a sex object and a baby-making animal-mother all for the indiscriminate gratification of his morbid sensual appetite.

Is it any wonder that the female folks, over time, rose to the occasion with the aberration known as "feminism"?!

Feminism IMO, is a retroactive offshoot of that break in that original Order; the marginalisation of the female folks... beginning with the girl-child.

YourMain:
...because of how "advanced" the world is today.

Taken in isolation, this your statement is nothing but pure truth from a keen observer which- at the risk of digressing- I mustn't fail to acknowledge and accentuate.-

"Advanced" World:
They speak of the emergence of a free independent humanity, of a development of inner stability, of physical culture, the beauty of the nude, ennobled sports... laying aside all "prudery".

What is being preached today under the fine guise of "progress" is nothing but a veiled encouragement of utter shamelessness, the poisoning of every noble intuition in man. And strange: it seems as if so many had only been waiting for a plausible excuse to debase themselves. To countless people it is very welcome!

Let's look around us! Observe what we read, how we dance, how we dress!

The woman of today is certainly ashamed to wear a long dress if fashion decrees a short one, but she is not ashamed to expose almost three-quarters of her body, offering it to the glances of all on festive occasions. And of course not only to their glances but also, when dancing, unavoidably to their hands! Without hesitation she would also uncover still more if fashion required it, probably even everything judging by present experiences! It was not a wrong but, alas, only too true a saying that “woman begins to dress herself when she retires for the night”!

So many men consider themselves very clever and wise, even highly developed spiritually, when they know how to conceal their thoughts and their actual volition behind their words, never permitting their fellow-men to see their true face in spite of lively conversation. This method is called diplomatic, as a soothing expression for the strange mixture of crafty cheating, of hypocrisy and falsehood, and of the greed which is always lying in wait triumphantly to create advantages for oneself at the expense of weaknesses discovered in others.

One is tagged as "old fashioned" should s/he refuse to kiss or hug the opposite gender in greeting...

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Dear Ifeann (parisbookaddict),

While I thought you were away, some legislators tried to pull the wool over our eyes with the sudden passage of some ambiguous Bill.

I was glad when a man as outspoken and courageous as you spoke out against the legislation inimical and destructive to the welfare of the Girl-Child!
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As if with 'one voice', I couldn't help but notice how you both express your stands with similar explicit wordings; below are excerpts:

If I had been able to join you, I would most certainly have asked you for help. It has to do with the nation’s latest alleged legislative stance against sexual abuse – molestation, rape, paedophilia etc etc. I am only a layman, not a “learned brother”, so any help from the learned is earnestly solicited. The question on my mind is this: is that legislative reinforcement not merely a case of rubbing vaseline on leprosy?

In this supposedly progressive bill, sponsored by the respected Senator Chris Anyanwu, I could not help but notice a reiteration – as if to ensure that there is no ambiguity – of the word “child”, near superfluously.
Well, we understand “child” as defined in most dictionaries. There is however also child as defined by the Nigerian legislature. This definition is contained in a prior Bill, sponsored, no less, by a notorious serial paedophile and cross-border sex trafficker, yet lawmaker – one Ahmed Yerima.
Does Yerima’s Bill, gleefully assented to by his peers, not simply vitiate this latter, supposedly humane concern for the protection of the child? Again, I confess to being only a ‘bloody layman’ in such matters. However, reading both bills, it strikes me that all the new bill does is empower the clique of paedophiles. All you need do is “marry” even a six-year old under any local laws, and do whatever you want with her. Through marriage, she is already an “adult”. Her “defiler” is now fully protected by this law. She is not. The current Bill is the ancient story of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. End of story? Yerimah and his fellow perverts are having the last laugh.
...Perhaps those legislators think that vaginal fistula is something thought up arm-chair critics with nothing better to occupy their minds. - Prof. WOLE SOYINKA

Finally,
@Ifeann who is also known as parisbookaddict, the Prof. was calling on the likes of you when he said:

No matter, let those who profess a genuine concern declare their stand on this. On my part, I find unacceptable any effort to build a nation on perversions that merely minister to man’s sexual appetites. This is a sordid appeasement of a minority who actually require psychiatric help.

President Buhari should not give his assent to the Bill without amendments that address the earlier Yerima gift to the nation. It’s a trap!