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If am not mistaking, I have friends that knows this guy so good at Ibadan, Agbowo, the way he spends money and I have seen him once too with a Babyboy (Honda 2.0).

Na so now, continuation, we mugu go keep looking for visa and money for flight. We go separate at last or destroy Nigeria ni and anybody that says it wont be so, may is generation perrish in poverty and destruction. AMEN

Nigeria's problem is beyong solvable, We just have to separate to start again, its just too cplex now to think of resolving it with this idiots we have as politicians. Infact we their Phd , they act and think like fools, they dont things that dont favour the majority but the richs.

Example, We one dont have parent and their are about 10-15 children in just one room apart ? can it be solved ? NO

They have to sell the house and share the money.

BecomeRich:
Looklike if they Ijaws decided they want to join us. Water have no enermy.

Me no say Yorubas no get enemy with anybody, mostly for the Igbos and co, I guess the main thing is to escape from this Hausa people. So any southern east wey won join us are welcome.

Negro_Ntns:
Charles,

I am sure the Yorubas gave a reason for why they want to separate from Nigeria. What more do you need? Can you clarify what you mean by how it will work? How what will work?

Interms of so many things, Region border which is not clear yet, the currency, government houses and buildings, policies, documents, names, what position will we hold if joining Benin ? will be be given the chance to hold positions in Benin government, Those Igbos and Huasas that remain in Lagos and west, they will become second citizens and that means things cant be totally equal, what about the currency, Benin is a francofone country , which is theire official, many things that will be too complicated my brother.

Looklike2 , all this mapping is not really our business, Yorubas just won comot. Simple.

Looklike2:
Now with what MEND did to Elechi Amadi. Can you people put Bayelsa state inside the map, So that all this Ijaw people can follow una. They want take our port harcourt.This a man we all know for many years. now this MEND people do this to him. Bayelsa too we do not want, Nobody would kick us away from port hararcourt.

ijaws must leave this state. You people can take all those idiot too with you. the are lazy people. they do not want to work like we igbos and hausa. lazy and dirty like the yorubas, They have no oil in bayelsa state that why they want to claim River state.

River state produce more than 60% of the oil in Nigeria and akwa Ibom produce just 25% imo and abia produce 10 %. If that is 85% of the oil. I serviced in bayelsa state. I never saw any single oil in bayelsa. which oil are they talking about. All the oil is in River state,

brother when the declaration and processing of the saparation wants to take place, they will finalise this issues of region.

Looklike2:
Are our leaders barawo.?

Yes and not just Barawo alone but BARAWO BANSA

lucabrasi , I'm cool with your comments, I just want us to be clear to ourselves by giving reasons of what should be and what shouldnt be.

I just want us to clarify this opinion of separation and if not the best idea then what will be the solution cus it seems Nigerian are unseriousness anough ( Youths ) to find way to come together to do something positive. The same corruption continues and will continue if we dont do anything. This are just my own points.

SegzyJoe:
Though I share the views of people-centred-change approach or down top approach, but I still believe that top down is more effective in bringing about change in Nigeria or any society for that matter, because "everthing rises and falls with the leadership" I know we can do a lot in our own little spheres of influence and essentially, change must start with the individual. I discovered that Nigeria has high percentage of youth population, and I think that's the right place to start. I am planning to start a nationwide forum that will educate the youths on national issues such as governance, accountability, public service, leadership, electoral issues. A society that is well informed will not sell their vote to the highest bidder, they will vote by informed choice. I keep asking myslef, why do Nigerians vote for bad leaders when we have opportunities to choose the right people, Nigerians electorate are not informed, we don't vote for issues, we vote for the wrong reasons, ethnic and religious issues affect our choices. As a matter of facts National Orientation Agency has failed us, this forum will have chapters in all tertiary and secondary schools. We need an enlightened society to make an informed choice, to elect good leaders and not thugs and we can start from the youth of this nation whose future is being mortgaged and sacrificed on the alter of today. However, we can find a reconciliatory approach to solving our problems in Nigeria, both leaders and the led must start with themselves, we must all start somewhere.

Thank you so so so so so so so so so much for this words and point, this is just it, we know the problem and were it is, It is purely goverment, leadership so if this 2 things can be in good condition then surely the people will change for better and inventually Nigeria will become a better country.

So we have to find a way to come together, educate ourself, make a form, group, organzation that will be able to stand against the government in form of movement. Simple,

This is just the point, we have to find a way to come together, then tackle the government, anything else from this like expecting government officials to change will be a waste of dream.

OK we have heard all the problems and known where its from,

What is the solution ?

What can we do to make a change ?

What can really be done if separation is not the perfect solution ?

Thank you MUZA for your post but we cant shut up, maybe its better you should say something positive and sensible.

So far we have given reasons why Nigeria should be splitting But those that said it shouldnt be havent given any reasons why it shouldnt be,

oyb:
@ TP, a lot of revolutions/changes are ofetn the result of a charismatic person who sets an example

Rosa parks is an example

another is edgar hoover ; inspite of all his fallacies.

dora akunyuli is a nigerian example. while we cannot expect her to be at nafdac forever, we can only hope her tenure was long enough to instill a proper system
of values, work ethic, etc.

nafdac would be like so many other crap parastatals - SON comes to mind - if dora had been reomved after two years in office.

human behavior is trickel down - wole soyinka, in an interview with 60 minutes(the 90s 419 treatise by 60 minutes) stated that when the rot is evideb=nt at the top, whatever goes on below should not be suprising.

yes a lot of us our individually corrupt, because we are in a nation where our leaders are like that, where ther are no consequeneces of being corrupt

a classic example of this is oyinbos who normally queue in their home countris, who start jumping queues and misbehaving because they know they will get away with it. in the same way, i have seen a lot of south africans who were in MTN resign and set up companies in nigeria, where they knw regulations are lax. my point is that people, be they nigerian, americans, etc, will mostly do the wrong thing if they are in a society where they can get away with it.


EFCC is a fledgling organisation. with ribadu, it had the opportunity to become an organisation with nafdacs reputation. now, it willbe nothing more than another butt of jokes about nigeria does not work.

Ribadu is not perfect, but then no one is - but at least we had an idea of what he stood for. he did the best he could when he was there - and with time, i beleieve he would have commenced prosecution of objs henchmen, if not obj himself.

Good point guy, But can you tell we normal citizens can make a difference from a 100% total corruption or corrupted people ? The effort will be wasted when this people still remain and controls the system.

Mad_Max:
The country's sort of been in the wrong hands somewhat continually. Rectifying that would be the best

My rectifier, make you tell us how we go rectify am now, una go just dey talk solution without saying or giving how e go take happen,

Mad_Max:
instead of dividing us into three litttle Nigerias. If corruption and the serious flaws undergirding the country's political and judicial systems aren't tackled, we split up and still have to deal with the same problems.

Nobody is dividing Nigeria into 3 part, why are you guys just saying things without reading or understand this properly, Yorubas won comot means we won split am into 3 ?
whatever those that remain in Nigeria do, is their business , Not Yorubas.

lastly, if Yorubas comot, dem won join Benin, so the tribal,traditional and religion crisis and issue will stop or atleast stop for Yorubas. This problem is political anfd governmental, and its all due to this differences of tribes, cultures and religions which are making the politicians greedy in using the government money for the benefit of their region or people.

BecomeRich your anwser, Agbara.

SegzyJoe:
@post

Sick people in a Sick Nation with a Sick President !

Brother we know all this, we are trying to see if we can give it some pills that will make it healthy so what do you think brother ?

People, make we sidown put everything for table.

I wont say much, If Nigeria leaders or government were good, the citizens wont be forced to partake in whatever the do now (fraud or whatever). The fact the system is currption and hopeless, what do you expect the citizens to do ? wait till the totally dismantle the whole system ?

I dont too much blame the people cus somehow they have to survive, atleast we didnt react like some citizens in some other countries like Seira Leone and co. We are trying to resolve it the best way we can but seems the government dont wanna stop the curroption, those that cant cope have to make some options for themselves, thats all

In my opinion, we need to come together to make something to tackle the government, people are already fustrated to the level they have to survive so they have to do something But when we are able to win the majorities heart on this movement then am sure we will have the goal to accomplish.

My people, my guys, so far we have being disussing about this issue, so its not now you should start insulting each other in the name of not understanding or accpeting what the other person said.

The fact is, all of us understand things more or less or better still in different ways, so surely different ideas or solutions will be rendered, I would prefare if we all debate on this issue and give reasons why it should be and why it shouldnt be, thats all

The best and suitable anwser we come up with might lead us to a next step of what we all can do or take part in.

Kobojunkie:
You are yet to tackle the 140 Million Nigerians who allow what you have today as government in that country to continue. Maybe there is a greater need to focus on tackling the 140 million minds, rather than continuing to dream of tackling government when those in government today where once one of us.

I was talking of tackling government direct, I was saying if majority of Nigerian youths can come together to make a movement of revolution, this will be the best idea to demand for a change in the system of government and find a way to deal with those officials involve in corruption.

If this form of revolution does take place to tackle our government, they will continue and citizens will keep being affected. So instead of this continuation, its better for Yorubas to comot for Nigeria, Simple as A B C

tpia:
Once again, who are "We"? You and who exactly? Make I face una and iron this matter out.

because I busted you and your "friend" Charlesmud, you want to distract attention from yourselves, abi?

Friend we are just trying to make things clear to you and give you reasons why its so, very simple but you come up with your words of no but no reason or even proves why it should be so.

Me no get problem if u be Igbo or whatever ooo,

asha 80:
their is no feeling of nationhood amongst its people

The cause of this is the tribal,tradition,religion differences my brother.

Kobojunkie:
But you can start by working with groups that have the common objective of making people aware of this fact.

This is exaclty what am saying, they will be the once to rise this idea and more majority will join till its stronge enough to tackly the government,

Kobojunkie:
I think you miss the main point. From where I read, the poster is calling for Individual Nigerians to tackle corruption where they are NOW. Not continue to wait till the problem is addressed by some messiah in a top-down approach.

Oh I get it now but how is that possible like someone in Europe, what can i personally do ? some certain group or society still have to unite to bring up something that can work cus individually will surely wait for the other to act first.

tpia:
ok, I know you did not just insist there are only three tribes in Nigeria.

<<sigh>> Are you black, because I don't want to start abusing black people for producing the kind of low intellect I'm seeing here.

Yes am Black and Proud, so ?

The issue is not black or whatever, the issue is history which gat nothing to do with skin colour. Well if you are white then maybe u cant fully understand this issue cus your idea will be the pure democratic way of resolving governmental problems which is not the case for Nigeria.

tpia:
"them Igbos" indeed.

You need to try harder to convince folks you're Yoruba.

This is were u get things wrong, I dont care either whatever anybody thinks I am, the koko na the solution and separation seems to be the perfect way out to resolve Nigeria. Maybe after the splitting, me and u go personally meet anywhere in Lagos to know if I be Yoruba or not OK ?

Its the same thing I have said before until I believe the solution will be separation since there is not seriousness in ourselves.

We have failed to come together to create a form of organization or group that will be able to tackle the government on improper doings in the country , Samples of the unity from Thailand and Greece.

This is the only way to create a movement that can fight the government on what we don't want, but there have neing so much unseriousness from our youths (lets say the elders are too weak) to come together to form something and do something.

I personally , I'm ready and willing if we can make it happen.

I have read that link and thats true , its the same thing I have said before until I believe the solution will be separation since there is not seriousness in ourselves.

We have failed to come together to create a form of organization or group that will be able to tackle the government on improper doings in the country , Samples of the unity from Thailand and Greece.

This is the only way to create a movement that can fight the government on what we dont want, but there have neing so much unseriousness from our youths (lets say the elders are too weak) to come together to form something and do something.

I personally , I'm ready and willing if we can make it happen.

tpia:
As if you sef be Yoruba. Who do you think you're fooling?

See what you said above, but whats the issue here and what are the sample you people are giving. Nigeria is fuckedup all due to various reason have said million times. To resolve this issue will need us going apart and we have given reasons.

But you guys just say no thats not the best idea but dont give a tangible reason to back it up, does all this countries u guys give as samples have 3 different tribes,cultures,traditional people ? NO

Does any Europe country have this same 3 different types of people, NO and thats why they have all lived peacefully But unfortunate for Nigeria all due to this things, Tribal and traditional problems which create this stupid thing of any budget should benefit one than one or some have chances to rule while some dont, and you all said it can be better , How ?

Number 1 lucabrasi notin concern me with dem Igbos or whatever they wanna do with their oil, they have all claim to have this oil in their region and the all said they should benefit more since this money comes from their land which at first I count to be unpleasant.

But in a case where this kinda talks as already taken place then I suggest we should leave it to them after all Yorubas dont get so much from the Government , mostly makes the money Abroad and come back home , Those in Lagos thats what they do the most. So lagos or Yorubas gat nothing to loss getting off from Nigeria, It will totally bring relief and peace to every thing thats going on in Nigeria presently, Killings, political crimes and corruption, unfair spendings and so on.

I support your words and understand everything you said, this things have already being put inot consideration but I tell you my brother, Even Powerful country like Russia are not uptop 80million, same as France and even a powerful colonizer like Ducth Nederlands who is just 10 million in total. So its not about how much but how stronge and powerful you can create from yourself. Machines and whatever.

I say again, I know the problems comes from our leaders but it as generated to so much issues and problems relating to tribal issues and some killing another in their state in this same so called "Nigeria", Yorubas just want everything to resolve and thats why separation will be the best idea to die everything down and start a life thing.

BecomeRich I don PM you for your emaill address, I am getting your infos but It still doesnt seem accurate enough and how the economy will improve for Yorubas But I seem to get something straight which is the most important thing.

There will be peace and this controvercial issues and benefits will die off finally and everything will become history, I just hope the earlier the better,

tpia Its not a matter of him being Yoruba or not, the issue to to resolve Nigeria to a peaceful and stable economy, why are you guys not support this even the fact you are either Igbo or Hausas who somehow will benefit but everyone keep saying we should find a way to solve it but no one have given or wrote a solution which makes this spearation thing a more perfect and suitable way to resolve this political problems.

walexng:
[b][/b]can't be too sure if the political terrain in this very country has the youths(jods seeker,students, ),i believe if we all come together to determine the course for the youths,then we shall be recon wit.A nation with vast resourses but lack organisation which is the most important tool[color=#006600][/color]

This is why we have to come together as a group so as to be able to challenge the government on improper thing in the country. But so much unseriouness from our youth,

Thank you BecomeRich for all the details and updates, its just unfortunate most have realize many incorrect things and things that needs to be done for Nigeria region to be a better place for everybody to live equaly.