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I read this just now and started laughing while a little drop of water dropped in my eyes (Cant believe it).

If just the 5-10 people here agree, I am IN also, we will be the ones to educate the others and eradicate tribalism making them understand we are brother and there are ways we can solve our issues.(the main problem is unfair sharing and if we tackle this, things will settle a bit)

So am listening my people. YES WE CAN

Kobojunkie:
I believe we can change things overnight.


And the many NGOS that have so far been created for the same purpose? I am not sure we need a revolution either. A changing of minds maybe but I would not necessarily call that a revolution considering the way that is defined my many in this case.

Where will all the money for this come from?

You mean like the African Union that Muammar Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi has been selling us for some years now?

I am not laughing, just wondering if this means the group will impose it’s will on the government or something.

First the money comes from the group of people surely, but after its gonna get assistance from sponsorship and the organisation's investments to keep running.

I gave the sample of how it will be run, like a Union but its surely by private individuals which will allow public access and contributions.

You can laugh my guy, its not governmental or depend on them in any way. I keep saying doing positive things individually.

Kobojunkie:
Well, I am not complaining that I am complaining! roflmao!!


Things can, you mean?

You have yet to state how they ought to act to change things though. I am not looking for more abstracts here; I am seeking real information on what it is you think people ought to do to change that country?

Sorry I meant "cant change over-night"

I once thought of revolution but saw Nigerians to be too different so I thought of creating a private and public organisations that will function in many ways.

OK, my idea might seem foolish or even unrealistic but this is what I wanna do. Those that are willing if 1 or 3 people should come together, create an organisation or company which will have some functions attach to it. Then create thing that will serve as infrastructure and investment (I cant say here), and at the same time the same company function as a foundation to assist people in all ways (Residential homes and some other assistance).

As have said, I cant say everythings here but I can give the clue of how we can individually do something positive, The organisation will be open to the public which will be able to debate by the board members b4 acting on any project. (Just like the European Union)

I know this might sound funny, but if this group of people have the same mind and ambition, my brother whatever little thing they do will make a little positive impact.

Big B1:
Some of us have more than 6999 posts on this forum with absolutely nothing contributed towards re-building this nation.

This is what am saying, just talk talk and talk.

if we could do something positive individually, atleast it will make impact of some people.

If I could help 2 people from Niger delta, and you helped 2 from Ilorin, my people its something and from their life goes on. We cant be perfect and things cant change overnight. Some of us know the right things to do but we are just lost and confuse.

Kobojunkie:
Only one thinking of what?

You can not know the solution to a problem if you have no understanding of what the very problem is. If simply realizing good from bad where all we needed to know, then pastors and all the religious people in that country should have turned that country into heaven by now.

Corrupt beings doing good? Why aren’t they in prison for their crimes, is my first question?



I do not smell world war III and do not concern myself with conspiracies that have existed for as long as that one has. I would say we focus on Nigeria and not on predicting the future of Europe.


Are you telling me you are going to change the nation by asking people to try their best?

My brother, first I said am I the only thinking we should do something rather than talk and complain.

Then the rest of my opinion is as simply as this, things can change overnight due to the high and deep currption and poor governance.

Yes its the common sense and contribution of people positive that will make impact, Yes bad leadership lead to the fact that some criminals go free.( But this also happen in USA and Europe)

People should learn how to do the right thing, think of themselves and others, share ideas and try our best to do something positive. (If 30% of Nigerians act on this, we will start to see some positive changes rather we keep complaining and hoping).

B.O.S.S.:
I don't want to go on too much but I want you to feel why most of us are think Nigeria needs to do more to display the giant attitude that we profess. I hope you get my drift.  

NB: Neither would I'll change Nigeria for these countries (in Africa) I mentioned as developed.

I will always be at your side and agree when you say something such as above, Yes Yes Yes I always put it in my post that Nigeria lacks poor leadership and other problems but just as you say "come to think of it" Zambia president recently (Couple of weeks ago) asked Nigeria for some financial support. All of them keeps coming to Nigeria but Nigeria never gets anything from them than dis-respects combine with her citizens who have become blind to think Nigeria's hope rely on this countries.

You have said it all above, Nigerians need to do more and more to take back the title as the father and Mother of Africa.

Kobojunkie:
That all depends on how you look at things. Those same people have ordinary Nigerians kissing their behinds all over that country. the same Nigerians who lead that country have people in the field who eat the loot with them.So again, we are back to the binding factor, the Nigerian people.


Are you sure we are starting to realize anything? Dude, just cause you see that we are the major problem does not mean that every other person knows that to be the case. You only need to read some of the posts on here to figure out that you may be in a lone crowd.

What exactly do you hope to start to deal with the problem?

Why am I the only one thinking like this ?

It is not a matter of realising where the problem comes from but realising good from bad, trying to make a positive contribution or impact.

The same Nigerians that are corrupt you said are also the same Nigerians that are doing positive things even if it doesnt show enough in the society due to high rate of poverty or underation.

I dont need to read anyone's post to figure anything out, my guy the problems is huge everywhere and becoming bigger and you should see whats happening across Europe this days and you will smell world war 3.

As have said, knowing good from bad and then making your own contribution in the good aspect that will make a positive impact. One cant be the best but surely you can be counted among those who tried.

B.O.S.S.:
Someone made a very relevant statement but you disregarded it with your irrelevant one. Keep dreaming bro.

Bros, What I wanted to write will seem insultive but I thought we should rather make sense to ourselves than argue. How can Nigerians hope be on this countries mentioned abeg ?

Pls if you believe this countries are OK for then say it is on your own will but dont speak on behalf of Nigerians cus some of us dont even pray to transit or smell this countries.

Kobojunkie:
Sigh!! So I have to mention that I am one of them for you to actually focus on the topic, and not on who I am or say I am? Sigh!!

Who says anything about waiting for better leaders? Where in my post have I preached that A MESSIAH is needed in this case?

My guy neither have I directed my suggestion to you alone, I was only making it in quotation and since I was talking to you than I used the word "U & I".

Anyway the fact people keep saying Nigeria are the problem, we all know 80% of our leaders are still the past leaders that have being ruling since 60s so why saying Nigeria is the problem when they have simple hold the post and outsiders are not giving the chance to come in.

YES Nigerians should have reacted, but atleast since we are starting to realize the facts, so why cant we individually do something positive instead of keep accusing Nigerians for what 60% of them did not know anything about.

Its the individual creativity that boost this develop countries we know today. If we have a useless and hopeless government, so why not start something ourselves thats another Nigerians problems also ?

Kobojunkie:
Because of the Nigerian people!

Sure we can, but are we in the majority ? Or are we just going out like tha thousands who went before us, only to be massacred in the end by our own people?? I am not saying not to try, but as long as we do not see that we are our own problem. We will see more killings and hear of more deaths of innocent beings in that country while we continue to turn the other way and accept the status quo as we have done for so long.

Here we go again, saying people while you are also one of the people. Which majority ?

There are many ways things can get better, If the leaders have refused to do anything positive, cant we individually do something positive ? instead of waiting till we will have better leaders.

, OK I dont wanna talk on points that is totally not useful at this point cus am having head-ache talking and thinking about Nigeria.

, My worries is why cant or why are we not doing anything on this issue ?

, I strongly believe that if some certain numbers of people can come together, no matter how little it is. it will be meaningful to make a positive impact.

Kobojunkie:
Do the British go with you everytime you go to fill up your car at the gas station?
Na the British allow Yar adua and Obasanjo again? You mean say Babangida, and the others who now run around up in ASO Rock are courtesy of the British?

All this way you dey yarn so na wetin them dey call COPOUT!! Stop passing the Buck and accept full responsibility for the decay called Nigeria. We did it to ourselves and we continue to do it in here. Na the British dey edit forum threads to include posts from people who claim that Nigeria is in a wonderful state?

Why you mention everytime, when I simply said they are part of the originated problems

I didnt say british caused everything, but we should know that they brought this system of ruling and putting in some major people in country just for their favour to have accesc to resources.

Not them that did OBJ or Yar'dua but its the lagacy they gave, my people se una blind to notice that Britain only complain about Nigeria corruption but dont do anything about it but they could intervein in some other African countries.

YES we Nigerians are part of the problems also and infact Nigeria make a major role in the undevelopment and we need to educate ourselve and believe in oursleve to be able to do something positive for our country.

Kobojunkie:
Who allowed fuel-kerosene mixture in the car in the first place? The Nigerian People !

Who will stop fuel-kerosene mixture from getting into the car? The Nigerian People!

Who allowed those bad leaders in the first place ? The Nigerian People !

Who continues to allow/Support and even elect those bad people in ? he Nigerian people !

Who is going to have to make sure that we get good leaders and no more the old trash ? The Nigerian people!


So, my friend, whichever was you want to dice this, we are our own biggest problem and only we can salvage the situation in that country.

You should know some of this your whos are not just Nigerians alone.

Who will stop fuel-kerosene mixture from getting into the car? The british

Who allowed those bad leaders in the first place ? The british

So I believe the rest lies in our hands, and YES we Nigerians are major cuase and we have to change our ways and do something positive.

I am happy Nigerians are starting to know part of the truth of the problem, YES I agree Nigerians are part of the problem but we should also know that when a car is mixed with petrol and kerosine as fuel, how do you expect the car or cars to act ?

We have to understand that bad leadership is the origination of the problems that comes from Nigeria, Hitler said and the Germans follow. If we have good leaders, we also will come out to be a good citizen.

So now, how can we tell ourselfs the truth and do something positive.

, Well everybody with his or her own idea, as I have said Nigeria is not perfect when its being rated from the resources but the fact we are not developed doesnt still mean this countries listed can be in any way compared to Nigeria.

, Papa wey get 15 children, una no no say e no easy for that papa to cope, the fact corruption is combine with Nigeria's problem makes it more slow in development, Yes I know say SA dey good but all the rest of this countries dey just manage ni and na support from countries like Nigeria dey assist them, YES maybe call Nigeria stupid, whatever.

, Thank God not everybody here is blind to see things for different angle, Weytin go make me go South Africa self, OK maybe if Mandella invite me, this locations are just too perfect for me Lagos-Europe.

People, check my posts and you will notice that I said YES Nigeria is not developed BUT it shouldnt be compared to all this countries listed.

Yes maybe SA is doing fine and YES Ghana has a good political system But so ?

As for the separation thing, I see the problem Nigeria have to be beyong political so I assume since we citizens are too educated and smart to do something actively positive then we should just separate which will bring peace and everbody will face his resources and know how to manage it.

Do you guys knows how Italy is today ? still cant it ve ever said its not developed being the fact there are so many better countries in Europe thats better than Italy. We should consider enough thing before make a conclusion.

Yes this countries seems balance, yes they have a kinda stable economy, but do you all know Nigeria is the largest invester in Africa ?, recently about 2 African countries asked for some financial assistance from Nigeria cus of this economy crisis.

Our problems is not having a good leaders and that have created alot tribal and political problems.

BOSS we know all this countries and luxemburg be the first while equitoral guinea be the second richest countries in the world and mind you these second is in Africa , so what do we get from it ? if not Nigeria still assisting them.

All this list na the list of countries the Europeans dey control and in the meantime giving them names, poor them !!!

JustGood thanks for the correction so why didnt you anwser my question atleast you could correct my English.

Make you go sidown if you know get proves or stronge reasons to backup your words except for the fact of what they told you on TV.

JustGood:
Please read before responding. . .

infrastructures in Nigeria? where dem dey?

So Namibia, Lybia, Egypt, Botswana, all this countries get infrastructure ?

My guy go sidown.

Thank you all for support and disagree, what have said is quite simple and I dont see insult in it b4 he started calling me names but anyway the issue South Africa and I dont know why they are not moving forward.

The poster said , is it black then I dont agree with that.

Sammy107_d:
to be utterly objective
South Africa
Egypt
Nigeria
Tunisia
Morocco

Atleast , thank you.

My guy maybe Nigeria is not as perfect cus of poor leadership but Nigeria never got anything and will never get from this countries that you say they are develop.

Look at how we have helped the whole Africa in the past :

"The prevailing perception in Nigeria's foreign policy was that, as predominant the African leader, it should play a bigbrother role in relations with African states. Nigeria was a founding member of the OAU and often channeled major policy initiatives through that organization. Most of its relations with other African states took place outside the OAU framework but were guided by OAU principles. Nigeria's primary African commitment was to liberate the continent from the last vestiges of colonialism and to eradicate apartheid in South Africa. Promoting liberation had grown from a weak and conservative stance during the 1960s to an increasingly firm push after the civil war. This commitment was pursued most actively after Murtala Muhammad successfully backed the Movimento Popular de Libertação de Angola's ascent to power in Angola in 1975 by providing the swing vote in the OAU decision to recognize the MPLA. Nigeria had played a role in the independence of Zimbabwe and in the late 1980s was active in assisting Nambibia to achieve independence of Namibia. In the latter case, it contributed about US$20 million to assist the South West Africa People's Organization in the 1989 elections and other preparations for Namibian independence. The country also contributed financially to liberation movements in South Africa and to the front line states of Zambia, Tanzania, Mozambique, and Zimbabwe, which were constantly harassed by South Africa. Although Nigeria's armed forces were among the largest in black Africa in the early 1990s, sizable military might has rarely been used in foreign policy (see Local and Bilateral Issues; African and Regional Issues , ch. 5). The army participated in peacekeeping forces, either alone or through the OAU and contributed personnel to United Nations peacekeeping missions. In line with its ECOWAS comunitment, Nigeria was one of the main contributors of troops to the ECOWAS Cease-fire Monitoring Group (ECOMOG) sent to Liberia August 23, 1990 after the peace talks there failed. Additional forces were sent in late September 1990 under a Nigerian field commander, General Doganyaro. Threats to fight for southern African liberation were made but not acted on, but Nigeria did give military and financial aid to the African National Congress for its efforts against the apartheid regime in South Africa and provided military equipments to Mozambique to help its struggle South African-backed guerrillas.

In addition, Nigeria gave aid and technical assistance to several African states, often through the African Development Bank of which it was a major benefactor. In 1987 a Technical Aid Corps, operating along the lines of the United States Peace Corps, was established. Under it, young Nigerian professionals served in other African, Caribbean, and Pacific countries where their expertise was needed. Nigeria also provided scholarships and fellowships, training facilities, grants, equipment, and medical supplies, and subsidized oil during the 1970s' oil crisis to African countries under certain conditions.

In July 1974, the Gowon government decided to sell crude oil at concessionary rates to African countries on condition that they had their own refineries and would not re-export to third countries. The decision came despite Nigeria's role as an Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) member generally in favor of higher prices and after more than two years of deliberations. Nigeria acted largely in response to external pressures: international actors attempted to divide Third World countries into OPEC members and nonoil producers; various African countries, especially Liberia, begged for less expensive oil; and both the Organization of the Islamic Conference and the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries had established programs to aid poor countries while encouraging other oil producers, especially African nations, to follow suit. Providing subsidies for African countries was a safe move for Nigeria because Africa comprised only a small portion of the country's total oil export market, it enhanced Nigeria's position and influence in Africa while building African solidarity, and it protected security interests by preventing economic decline. Moreover, this example of generosity aided Nigeria in its efforts to create ECOWAS. In November 1990, Babangida suggested that Nigeria might again offer concessionary prices to other African countries as the Middle East crises pushed oil prices upward".

http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-9449.html

gadogado weytin be all this list you dey give self, you dey America dey nominate Namibia, Botswana and so on.

All this guys atimes,

African presidents are so ugly.

Imagine this one as my president, who I cant even wish to be my father only if am to consider his money.

@ Poster, then give the topic to be black leadership instead of putting it as South Africa so in this way we will know what to discuse about or rather respond.

Kobojunkie:
Is Nigeria number one for you simply because it has more resources, and more people flying in and out of it?The question is in what order would you put countries in africa in terms of infrastructure and economic development, provision of basic social amenities et al. Could you please highlight actual reasons why you believe Nigeria ought to be number one on that list please.

AS have said, I didnt say Nigeria is the number or developed, but considering many other ways. Nigeria is far better than this countries my people, lets forget the point of view that have some kulikuli and gari as daily foods.

I know very well Nigeria needs to seriously do something positive and develop, but shouldnt be comapred to all this countries you guys are mentioning.

If its as good as they all say on media, why USA, Europe, India and UK keep relating more to Nigeria even with the situation. My people there are other reason why Nigeria still stands ontop if talking about Africa (Not just resoruces alone).

Abeg make una come Europe here now, namibia ?? ta ta ta.   Only SA I see to be better and its all bcus of the na Europeans dey control the country for their benefit and mind you all I can give you all name and proves that Nigeria is far less corrupt than most countries in Europe including USA.

gadogado:
@IGWE
how is naija no 1? pls talk some sense to yourself, we dont have electricity in 2009,we dont have water,proper refuse disposal nko,we no get that one,our streets are filthy,how about our economy-not diversified,dependent on only one product(oil) what about our roads,what about crime,education,our hospitals,how about unemploymenthaba how about our universities?anything to write home about? how about endemic corruption? overall development,we no get am so how can you now have the guts to say naija is no 1.you no get shame
for a fact,botswana is better than naija in terms of human and infrastructural development, even ordinary ghana is better that naija in,atleast they can perform credible elections. pls nigerians stop deceiving yourselves,naija is not in top 20 as far as most developed countries are concerned as in where the average citizen is doing relatively well.

I am not saying Nigeria is the best and YES Nigeria is in a terrible situation and shape.

But which one be botswana wey better in human and infrastructural development, comparing what population to what population ? Abeg why UK or USA no go dey ?

Yes Ghana is good and the leadership is just our majoy problem in Nigeria.

Yes Nigeria is not developed and its average citizens are not living in good conditions but still cant be compared with this countries you listed. Forget what you hear on radio or see on TV.

Nigerians are very more social and civilized than this countries and thats the reasons we believes its better to travel abroad to get something better. Mind you majority of the citizens of this countries cant even afford a return ticket.

MrCrackles:
Jokes!!!

Indeed.

Gayigaskia:
charlesmud i perfectly agree with u on that, Because Dum ASS like igwe_USA and sagamite don't get that right now what we need is more people like Dangote to create more work for people in the country.


@igwe_USA u don't know what it smart competent , superb entrepreneurship skills that's what made him who he is not your so called generosity.
u people need him more than he needs u, he created more work in lagos than any other lagosian . he is more important for Nigeria than all of your mathematicians combined.

Thank you, Not that I hate anybody or so but there are things that just have to be done for the betterment of everybody. The problems in Nigeria is both political and tribal, so how can we solve this ?

We just have to know were we belong, then we will be able to focus and do things for ourselves, A country the southerners cant go to work in the north cus he might be killed or they might cut his hand if he steals ?

Our cultures and religions are so different that even some rules cant be met cus of some constitutional oppositions of some regions, We just have to do something positive for the betterness of everybody (Na the politicians dey enjoy while we citizens dey waste our time in poverty) and so far i havent seen any better solution than separation.

IGWE_USA:
eeeeehe! I has reached the time when naija ppl are no longer asking "why their country has never moved forward". we are now concerned with SA.

, My guy, that is what most of them know how to do best, complain and criticize. And make up stroies to talk about.

Instead to focus on the main issue and find how to solve it, na from Ribadu case to Hitler Germany dem go dey talk talk.

IGWE_USA:
no [1]---------------Naija

Thank you jare, ha ba Naija dey dis worst to compare with this countries just bcus dem give them good name cus dem fit control their country.

Mind you all, Nigeria get verything pass them, EVERYTHING, just unfortunate with leaders
Namibia, Botswana, all this country wey be say na one airline dey fly go there once in a week, all the international airline dey pass through Naija. Seriously make una check things out and deeply we will see Nigeria is part of what is making Africa making name and somehow balance.

jerseyguy:
1. South Africa
2. Botswana
3. Namibia
4. Ghana
5. Libya/Egypt/Angola ?

All this countries wey dey beg Nigeria for contracts and financial support, I personally cant go to this countries even if Nigeria is on war and I dont pray to even ever transit this countries for any reason.

Sagamite:
You shamefully call a group of people dogs and cows but yet you display on your profile a flag promoting unity in Africa. What kind of slowpoke are you?

I am not and will never promote those that are not in unity and surely the ways northerners have beinbg leading the governmental system in Nigeria is not just shameful but becoming disgraceful to be a Nigeria citizen.

Atleast you are a sample running over to UK for a better life, Call me slowpoke but nothing makes you better than a slowpoke if not worst. My point is clear, this system of ruling or leadership (Northerners putting thmselves in power) is not accepted and in this case its not tolerable anymore to live like this in poverty when we know were the problems are coming from.

Yes unity to those who deserves it.