₦airaland Forum

tpia:
BecomeRich, why don't you and other likeminded people join the republic of benin then let the rest of us know how you're finding things over there. That should provide enough incentive for everyone else to relocate and support your dream.

no be true I talk? You lead the way first and live there for three or six years then bring the feedback.

Brother, no be matter of prediction or assumption, its what the Yorubas wants to do. So if it happen, its as simple as not going back to Nigeria or excluding yourself from Yoruba if you happen to be one OK ?


BecomeRich, well How Swiz and which side you dey ? Munich or ? But anyway sha, if there is any progress or update its better to leave any alternative Email add instead of your cell.

BecomeRich:
ezichi, all those igbo you just name , none of them produce even a drop of kerosine. you people too are just milking the Gullible ijaw people. and i wonder how long all this wickeness would continue. Half of this ijaw's people would die of cancer and other terminal disease for the greed of some northerner buying private jet with blood money.

get us out of this blood money,

BecomeRich they have failed to see things from this perpective, instead they want us to unite with those that don't want to unite, Habrakadabra !!!, Tuafiapa ,

Waste of time, Yorubas should get out.

anengiyefa:
But running away from the problem is not the solution. If the country breaks up, the very same problems that you have identified will still be there in the new countries. The people of Bayelsa for instance, will still feel like a minority in a country dominated by the Igbos, and they will resent it. You know what happened during the Biafra war. No sir, I do not support a break-up of my beloved country, Nigeria. Let us lay the foundation now through our hard work, for a better country for future generations of Nigerians. Thank you.

Brother as much as I support your hope as it is very good but you failed to anwser my questions of tribal issues and seriousness of our youths, The elders are weak and those in power are not ready to change to make things good, so what can some certain numbers of group do ?

We need majority to make this revolution possible and it will take and involve more than we imagine but it will be once and for all, But people dont focus on this side of revolution instead everybody is doing its own things and some people are left in poverty and poor condition.

I wish Nigerian youths wake up, but only few is awake and ready but this few cant do anything than to join the majority. Nigeria governmental system as failed, its either to be renewed or split apart.

And una talk say we no go or make we no separate Nigeria, mostly for Yorubas to exclude from Nigeria ?

Una dey joke, God self go happy if we split with from this rubbish.

geolabious:
[size=13pt]Donald Duke[/size]

Why e no shout when he was told to step down for the presidential campaigne or talk when he lost the election ?

Donal Duke ko, Peter Odili ni. Duke my ass, member of the same corruption party, u sitdown there waste your time.

anengiyefa:
Then it is those issues that you have identified that we should be tackling in a serious concerted way, not being defeatist and compounding the problem by talking about dissolving a union that has lasted since the amalgamation by the British of all its territories that make up Nigeria of today, an entity that has existed for nearly a century.

An entity that is always separatable or dividable, were is the seriousness of we youths? were is the seriousness of Nigerians ? were is the show of interest to do something positive for Nigeria as a whole. Instead they all talk about the same issue we all know (corruption), cant you see the list of topics in this our politics thread ? (issues that are not helping the situation).

My brother, I get this your feelings too, but have come to realise people are not the same and this differences have being and will always be a problem in Nigeria, why staying were you dont belong when one has a choice or option ?

Abiodun92:
I agree with you, Igbos can keep dreaming about an Igbo president ruling Nigeria, It's just impossible if we Yorubas and the Hausas are around.

I think Nigeria should be divided, maby then Igbos can have their own president.

Biodun I don't understand why they have failed to realize this knowing the Nigeria system, Yorubas and Hausas were given this power of ruling by the British all for their benefit of exports.

Anyway support Yorubas to leave and the chances for Igbo president will be possible but if not then am afraid I can even predict the next Yoruba president which will forsure be a Yoruba president 2011 in Nigeria if Yorubas still remain in Nigeria then.

Igbos have sold this right of presidency but the common Igbo people don't see this, who is eligible that can't be bought ?

anengiyefa:
But the division of the country is not going to happen and this discussion is an exercise in futility. Let us discuss how we can make Nigeria work as it is now. It will be less acrimonious, cheaper and more beneficial to us all in the long run. This is all I have to say on this!

Brother, I wish we could talk more then maybe you will understand me better, infact I wish we can make it possible to live together. Its just becoming impossible all due to tribal issue and unfair benefits in our governmental system in Nigeria. There is one Nigerian site were they talk about this issue and trying to find a way of revolution if we youth or group can come together to form things that will make a change in our governmental system and Nigeria as a whole.


lucabrasi , Apology accepted, I just want us to find a way to make things right, maybe if you guys can understand all my post good then you will note i keep talking about unfair government and a betterment for everybody. Igbo or south people are not my problem, OK I agree they should be taking out of the list , infact since they are not Yorubas then they shouldnt leave with us, maybe on their own.

All I want is a peaceful and new fair government were everybody will benefit and have a better life and mostly for our future childrens, This separation just seems to be the only way cus our system is already distroyed with bad leadership that have caused tribal and political problems.

On the condition if we can create or form a group or organization in a way to fight this system of leadership or government before this separation thing happens, then maybe it will be a good thing but Nigerians are not serious enough and not reacting to this issue, so the Yorubas are left to do what is best for Yorubas.

anengiyefa:
@Charlesmud, I do not think that as modern Nigerians we should continue to think about our fellow country men in terms of their ethnic group. Any Nigerian is a Nigerian and I refuse to classify a certain group of Nigerians as Yorubas or Igbos. They are Nigerians first, before they are Hausa or Yourua or Igbo or whatever. Our national identity should mean more to us, and we should be taking more pride in it than we are doing at the moment. My 2 naira!

My guy thank you but we don put all this things together and so far it as done us more harm than good, but I must say I like your positive talks for a one Nigeria.

Modern Nigerians wey dey kill Yorubas or Igbos and not Hausas abi ?

Modern Nigerians wey dey use the power for their own benefits first abi ?

My brother e don tey and enough is enough, but if you still have any positive solution for Nigeria, lets hear it . But I tell u that with this 3 different people together, there will always still be tribal issues and unfair sharing and benefits which will continue to be problems in Nigeria.

anengiyefa:
n@ Charlesmud, actually I tend to disagree with you on this. It is wrong to say Nigeria is not one, because de facto, Nigeria is one nation. We have only one representative at the UN and have only one seat at the AU. Nigeria is one country, and it is when we continue to express sentiments as I am seeing on this thread that our unity is threatened.

What we should be focussing our efforts is making this unlikely union to work for the betterment of all of us. The US is what is is today because of the union of very different people and ideas. We should find strength in our diversity, and concentrate less on the petty bickering that has dominated our national life and stunted our development since independence nearly 50 years ago.

Having carefully considered the question that is being asked on this thread, I take the view that we are better off as a strong united nation, than as a group of small states who will constantly be squabbling with each other. Nigeria vs Cameroon over Bakassi is a stark example of what I'm saying.

Thank you for your simple way of elaborating things, I wish for the best for the whole Nigeria and Nigeria as a whole. I wish things can be better cus I have always being a Nigerian and wish it can remain so but when things seems to be out of hand and just getting more hard to resolve , what should we do then ?

Nigerians are not uniting to make a revolution, so what else?, we need to realize we can't continue living like this and put the life of our future children at stake, Example, lucabrasi who cant descently make is own point or view of the issue instead he alters insultive words to people that don't have or said his own idea or mentality, Do you think we can live together like this ?, Hell , NO

Just the way Yorubas can't no longer live with the rest of the tribal and unpleasant cultural and traditional people.

lucabrasi

First, I dont understand or see why you guys just come online and insult people just in the name of maybe you wanna be heard or make corrections, Its so sensless to say insultive words to people that never did anything wrong to you. You dont expect people to have the same idea with you , after all you dont have the same brain or whatever.

Seconly, whatever you try to say, let it be quoted to be your own inniative idea to the issue related to, So i would say what you have written below falls under the category of your own thinking. (na for your pocket).

If south comfirms they are not included, simple and they will be excluded, its a general geographical table, so definately it will involve or take negotiation before anything can be fully accepted or comfirmed.

Na wa for Nigerian oo, even here dem no fit just try to discuse peaceful, instead they insult just bcus they are not satisfied by the other person's words or idea, and they are talking of the whole Nigerian can live together, IMPOSSIBLE.

auwal87
Where do I start from, I don't want to say too much but you should know the mixture of people and religion is more of the cause of Kwara not that they want to stay or belong to not. geographically, culturally, regionally, traditionally, historically they are purely 100% Yorubas so whats the idea of that pics? do want to ask why OBJ gave the power to Yar'dua ?

I have once schooled in Ilorin and everything is purely Yoruba , guy you funny oo, anyway we are talking about resolving what can't or havent being resolved for 48years ?

Why are Nigerians scared of the worst which will be for the betterness of everybody and the country as a whole, what people should we strenghten ? , people that have different tribes, culture, tradition, history, ethnics group, religion, and even lifestyle ?

It can never work with this conditions cus loss and gain will always happen and this will still continue to bring issues and problems.

I personally believe all crisis or wars are all caused due to political issues and mis-understandings which are known to be the benefit of some region and countries.

Inventually, I guess this might lead to a world war 3 sooner than we imagine cus people are staring to understand and see this system of ruling to be unfair to the majorities of citizens, Well also plus the earth's own current damages and problem alongside with too many population.

Thx BecomeRich for the updates.

In this small region , they still wanna create another 2 more states , just for for money to be budget to this region cus they will have a new different state government with governor, Another form of wasting unreasonable money spendings.

But anyway make Yorubas just comots fot this foolish government and Nigeria system that will always be tribal and regional issues and benefit.

anengiyefa:
Satellite mapping has nothing to do with territorial demarcation, boundaries and borders. Borders are artificial. Satellite mapping relates to physical geographical structures. Don't confuse issues!

Thanks for the enlightment, goegraphical structure clarifies the regions. But anyway thx again. As you ealier post on the poster not addressing the oil issue.

Well it all obvious some will loose and some will gain, First it will die down tribal issue, governmental benefits and unfair sharings. I am not in position to say the outcome of what will happen after the splitting, I am just standing on the issue on the separation which will resolve so many problems and issue Nigeria is facing which is the main thing we all want and the reason for the separation.

Abiodun92:
Hmmm, Interesting Topic i must say.

I personally think this might be the only solution for the problems there, but indeed, how do you lump Edo and Delta states to Biafra? What about Kwara State? Isn't Kwara state mostly populated by the Yoruba people

Brother, its the mapping of the satalite as have said ealier, but it will still be negotiated with this people from this region. But its assume maybe they might fall under the south.

Yes Kwara is surely included , cus western starts from Kwara Ilorion downward.

Dede1:
It will amount to a cardinal sin if a person of Igbo extraction who had a balanced social order above his or her shoulders would seek the office of the president of the federal republic of the jungle called Nigeria.

Yes the Jungle Nigeria will become a garden of Eden if an Igbo man becomes president, well just support Yorubas to leave. so all this dream can be possible, cus so far Yorubas are still around, they will ne the next president.

I just wish and hope the ealier we realize we have to split , the better chances we have for people to start living good. The government is bleeped up cus of all this tribal issue of one favouring his own region before the other, It better splti and lets know where we all belong.

GettysBurg:
Hey, this is nonsense!

How do you comfortably lump edo/delta with south east, and label the emerging entity Biafra?

My brother, its being mapped according to the regional location not those who live there or so. Its satalite mapping But it will still be negotiated and discussed with this people there, sanators and Obas.

nuzo:
Stop making a fool of yourself by insinuating the Igbos want your presidency at all cost. You should also bear in mind that no other tribe had wanted out 'one nigeria' than the Igbos only that they are not ready to be stabbed in the back again. So, put away your cowardice for once and break away first.

B.T.W, why is everyone becoming so concerned about what the Igbos want? Why can't you guys worry about what you guys want like you've always done? Or, I'm i sensing another fowl play like in the late 60s?

But brother I havent insulted you now and neither have I said anything wrong to anybody, Una see part of what we are saying about Nigeria problem, even from common civilian we can try to understand and explain things to each other instead we insult just because we are not in agree of what the opponent said.

But anyay sha, my own is Yorubas won comot from Nigeria, so if you like it or not, its a good thing for everybody to see peace a justice in leadership which since 1960 it as being failure all due to tribal and regional benefits from the system of leadership (government). No offence if Yorubas won comot and am sure it will be better cus it will be left with 2 tribes who will be able to share the president or leadership between themselves.

otokx:
what is all this craze for presidency? is it the president that prevented odili from doing the massive infrastructural development being done by amaechi when he was governor? the same oil that you claim the north is diverting to develop their area, is it not the majority east that will divert if they ever become majority.

My brother whatever it is, the step Yorubas wanna make is for the benefit and good of Nigeria as a whole so the system of tribal and regional ruling will stop when everybody depend on is own thing for its own region. But if the Igbos still won stay with dem Hausas after Yorubas comot then thats their business, Yorubas just wanna be excluded from this continuos unstably and tribal system of leadership.

Thank you jare BecomeRich for more clarifications, I just dont see why the Igbos dont want Yorubas excluded, instead they talk here about that will not be the solution.

This solution will bring a new form of government for them with a fair justice of the federal money allocations and also a fair impact of their birthrights, OIL.

Make Yorubas comot, make dem fit enjoy their country wella, simple as A B C.

Naijex:
Credible candidate or not, fixing Nigeria problem or not, what is wrong having someone from SS/SE for the Nigeria president.
Understandable the system is messed up. Let the his history judge. Maybe someone from SS/SE to lead us is the key to Nigeria solution, no one knows. We must not give up.
At least we've seen hausa/fulani and yoruba.

Brother you have a good point but you can see dem no won let Igbo rule, and am sure if they are given the chance, they will rush in their people and try to favour their region which has being left behind all this while. This is natural and no one can blame them cus its the truth.

Nigeria is not just leadership, its now becoming the people and decisions, the ethnics,traditions,cultures and religion is just not matchable and this as being while there is an unfair form of leadership.

What will an Igbo,Yoruba or Hausa president do ?, No doubt, him go favour him side first b4 others, Yorubas go do the same and we can see what the Hausas are doing already even to Yoruba regions. The Niger Deltas are complaining on the budget for 2009 that it didnt favour them considering the fact the Nigeria's wealth, OIL , is from their region but they are given lower share. (so if dem become president weytin you think say dem go do ?)

My brothers, westerners and some part of southerners wants to exclude from Nigeria, we need more senate vote from all region, make we support this and Igbos will have more chances and oppurtunity in government , even to become the president in 2011 if Yorubas are out b4 then.

Frizy:
@becomerich/nigeria@1

Keep dreaming ok! . Keep dreaming!!

But guy, you no want make we split ?, you want make we be like this make the injustice and unfair leadership continue ?

Nobody can enter that position of president that wont favour its own region just in-case, even if dem put Igbo man, him go rush try develop their region and same as others, Yoruba and Hausa.

Muza:
Okadigbo,unfortunately he is dead.
so theres no one qualified for now.

By the time Yorubas exclude from Nigeria, Hausas will have no choice than to give it to Igbo. Just pray the process of Yoruba exclussion happens fast b4 2011.

otokx:
This is ara nonsense. Why should the south south be lumped with the Igbos? Cross River and Akwa Ibom should be joined to the south south which can end at delta? but the delta igbos can be free to join with their kith and kin after conducting a referendum which will surprise many people. The truth is no matter how you divide this country there will always be a subtle oppression by the majority of the minority. Even inside the south east gon gon there are differences and some form of oppressions so let us live together and do the right thing.

You just come from space ?, or you no no all this while say our cultures,traditions,religions and ethnics are just too different and can never match, Cant you see the acts of government and politicians favouring their region b4 others, some ruling while others dont have th chance, making laws that benefit some region and not for others.

Brother things cant stand mostly under this UK system of ruling, you can see tHausas have the majority in power and government and yet nothing is done in the eastern part of Nigeria. Lagos and west won comot for the good of everybody, North and easterns and maybe some southerns go get the oil and spend their money as they want and also an oppurtunity for the easterns to be a president.

Abagworo:
The only group of people that are really important to nigerians are south east and south south.if south west opts out,Nigeria will give full support because population of oil sharers will reduce.ijaw,ikwerre,igbo,efik,kalabari,okrika,ogoni,urhobo,oron and their brothers are the glue holding this country.don't ask me why cause you already know.OIL!!!

Important to Nigeria, south south and south east, ha ha, how come dem never enjoy the oil or money if they are important to Nigeria or you meant they should stay in Nigeria so you can keep spending their money abi ?

Anyway who care about what you say, Lagos and south west won comot after all we no dey important and thats part of a good prove, make we just split apart and as for the current process of it maybne you can tell the east senators to support us so we can exclude from Nigeria fast fast,

Make una enjoy the oil money wella,

BecomeRich:
Aburo m, ki ni ta wa lo si sokoto , idi sokoto ni owa. awon ti oti epo ni ijaw, ti awa o lo, won oni le lo. ibi ti igbi ba fa si , ni ikawo re olo.
eni to ni epo robi se ma so ibi ni oduro si. Aso pe boya awon ma duro abi awon ma telewa. sogbon ti awon ti mo ti fi won pe yoruba ni won , won ba wa lo. ti aba pa epo robi ti and ati epo robi ti awon ni otowa. Awon ijaw ni epo jo wa lo, sogbon olorun will take care of us.

You see anyone that believe in God is never scared. Even if you have no food, God can take care of us when we get to Benin republic.

Yorubas would say God would take care of the child without parent, God would take care of us.

My brother you know its not all about relying on God or not trying to put things into consideration. Lagos is about 17million (but anyway some people will need to leave after the separation). I think we will need more not just to survive alone but to make things much much better.

I just wish and hope our leaders can be different and make a better country, I surely know things will be fine, just a bit concern about this PDP people and co. Anyway we shall see how it goes sha.