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Culture › Re: What Is Igbo? by ChebeNdigboCalm(op): 2:05am On Apr 29, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
you have made a very intelligent analysis of the Igbo question. Most of your submissions cannot be argued against if we look at things as a snapshot of the present times. But I would rather go back in time to before colonialization and move forward to present times

As you would agree with me, in precolonial times, to the people regarded as Igbo today, there was nothing like Igbo identity. As you alluded, they were decentralized, independent clans having no central authority. There is also no record of these people calling themselves any group name. Therefore, there was little binding factor beside the mutually intelligible language they spoke(today known as Igbo) , though of varying dialects
There is also no proof that the people that speak Igbo today are of common ancestry. To the contrary, evidences abound to show that some igbo speaking people migrated from the Benin to their present locations, particularly the Western Igbo speakers and the Onitshas. In Aboh for example, the original dwellers of the land were the Akarais who were displaced by the edo migrants to areas around Aboh, where they live to this day. That this is the oral history of Aboh and the fact that the Akarais are known makes the Aboh migration story irrefutable. There are also some people that migrated form Igala region. Again at Aboh, which is a heterogenous community, there are families that know for a fact that their forefathers came from Igala(again,irrefutable), some Isoko, some Ijaw etc. So the common ancestry claim is false using the Aboh example
Now, i do not believe that a people have to be of common ancestry to form an ethnic group, and I also believe that there is an emerging Igbo identity, Infact, an Igbo identity has emerged already from people, probably of different ancestry, but not all Igbo speaking people belong to this identity and I will explain in subsequent post

Meanwhile, i do not know why it seems like i get temporarily banned from posting on the culture section sometimes?

Cc bigfrancis21

I had some work to do but now I am freer so sorry for the delay. Your argument would have been very good if only you remembered that all ethnic groups have these migration stories. Including eastern Igbo just with different names listed. You say that Igbo people do not have common ancestry. That is wrong. Igbo is simply so large a group as too have been able to diversify over time and simultaneously do not have empire ambitions (even those with a king). There is certainly record of them calling themselves that group name. You simply attribute them to somewhere in particular. No point in arguing in circles though.

Your argument is forgetting that Igbo are not close to being the only group of people who didnt fully realise that identity fully until the modern age. It doesnt mean they didnt exist as a people before the modern age. Only that Yoruba, Hausa and Edo peoples had more direct contact with white people and so their place in written history was cemented earlier.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 12:20am On Apr 18, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
all Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa, all Jews are descendants of Abraham etc. Who is an Igbo?
What does it take to be Igbo? What is the definition of an Igbo?

To be an Igbo you must.
1. Have 4 market days.
2. Speak Igbo natively(we all have our dialects)
3. Be called Igbo by your neighbours.
4. Have ofo staff of authority.
5. Have Chukwu, Abasi or Olisa as the name for the supreme God.

The real question is why is Arochukwu more Igbo than Aboh?
I have written a thread about this if you want detail.

https://www.nairaland.com/7044340/what-igbo

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 10:11pm On Apr 17, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
chebendigbocalm and bigfrancis21, you guys have no idea. Lander was right and his findings were confirmed by Baikie. Aboh was the the Name of a town and district/kingdom

Thank you for your ability to stick to being civil. I personally never denied that Aboh was also the name of a district. Lander wasn’t proven correct that Aboh is specifically Eboe. And others aren’t. What I am denying is that them being called Eboe somehow means that they aren’t Igbo. Or that Eboe and Igbo were really different.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 10:06pm On Apr 17, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
Read Equaino's description of the people he Referred to as Oye-Eboe:

we call them Oye-Eboe, which term
signifies red men living at a distance. They generally bring us
fire-arms, gunpowder, hats, beads, and dried fish......They always carry slaves through our land

Now read Laird:

The Eboe people take up the river, powder, yams, beads, cloth, iron bars, and knives, These articles are conveyed to Bonny by the palm-oil traders, and thence pass through the hands of three or four merchants into the possession of the Eboe dealers. They receive in return, slaves.
With the Eboes, the best articles of trade are guns, powder, cottons of a showy pattern with red and blue stripes, and knives fitted in an ornamented case and which they wear suspended from the left side. ‘They also manifest a great partiality for rum, small looking-glasses, and cowries:

It is important to note that the white people did not engage in buying slaves directly in the hinterland which rules them out as the Oye-Eboes.

Now that you know that the Kirrees of Lander and Liard are Asaba people, have you asked yourself why these people never called them Eboes but only started calling people Eboes south of the Kirrees even though the Kirrees spoke same language as the Eboes?

Simple. Because they wouldn’t be able to differentiate between the two if they did so. Since the blunder of calling Aboh, Eboe particularly was made. If however they called Aboh, Aboh they would easily be able to call both Eboe. Common sense.

Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 12:59am On Apr 17, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
EBOE contd

Of the Eboe people, Olaudah Equaino wrote:

We have also markets, at which I have been frequently with my mother. These are sometimes visited by stout mahogany-coloured men from the south west of us

I want to bring this back. SW from them are Eboe people. Well Olaudah put it as “Oye-Eboe” which could still mean foreigners as we don’t know the origin of oyibo definitively, neither had the Igbo dictionary been put together at that time. But you said it meant Aboh traders in essence. Aboh traders coming from the SW…to Ashaka. That is the one thing it could not be.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 12:25am On Apr 17, 2022

Oh you know Calabar never used juju. They used Jew Jew. It was a way of calling Jews to help them. The slave traders had a lot of Jewish heritage, because of this the Jewish people were associated with power.

Hence Calabar started calling on Jews.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 12:10am On Apr 17, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
you are so anxious to have the Aboh is Igbo, Aboh is not Igbo debate. Chillax sir, we will get there soon

I explained already why they are inseparable. You cannot have the “Eboe is Aboh” debate without having the “Aboh is Igbo” understanding. I won’t even call it a debate. It’s laughable.

It’s like saying yarriba is Ijebu. However Ijebu is not a yoruba.
Both make no sense.

And you are saying “we will get there soon”, acknowledge that there is nothing more to offer. You guys discussion won’t move forward. There isn’t enough evidence to prove which village Olaudah came from however YOUR argument was “Igbo falsely claimed Olaudah Equiano”. Which is why mine is way more relevant than yours. Even if he was from Aboh. He still claimed Igbo and not the other way around.

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Culture › Re: There's NO Such Thing As Traditional Wedding by ChebeNdigboCalm: 11:05pm On Apr 16, 2022

Emilokoiyawon:
You are intelligent. Unfortunately, the rest of the society is too dumb to see your reasoning.

Don't waste your time trying to educate colonially brainwashed Africans, even their god is either an ancient Palestinian (Jesus) or an Arab moon god (Allah).

This is why non-Africans call them monkeys.

And do you know the origins of your own “traditional religion”. You follow it because your parents did? Because your ancestors did? Is the truth based on lineage? Is the truth based on tradition? Obviously not, these are two different arguments. I can be a Christian but see the value in my tradition and not hold western ones over it. However when it comes to my salvation I will make a decision based on what I think is the truth.

Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 10:55pm On Apr 16, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
I don't believe the word Igbo sprang from Eboe/Aboh, I only drew up implications of your wrong hypothesis. However the article below punctures your first paragraph

So you give us an article of an unknown source and you think it is a good support? I might as well reference NL comments. Not to mention the fact that the source uses Benin revisionist write-ups as their reference. My opinion is just as good as what I just read. I don’t see why it’s any better.

If anything it proves that Aboh is Igbo as, Igbo people whilst calling the next Igbo clan Igbo, do not call Ibibio, Bini, Igala etc “Igbo” simply because they are outsiders.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 2:08pm On Apr 16, 2022*

IgbuduMonkey:
Eboe is not the old word for Igbo. Eboe is the name of a town and Kingdom which exist to this day. Called Aboh by its natives and Eboe by neighbours, it was a entrepot for slaves and goods due to its strategic position along the Niger. What this means is that slaves were moved to Aboh and sold there, from where they were resold to the whitemen at the coast. It is the reason why Crow recorded a large Eboe population at Bonny.
The Eboes/Abohs did not sell their natives as slaves. Most of the slaves sold were Igbos, most likely from the hinterland. But these slaves were called Eboe slaves because they were sold by the Eboes/Abohs just as cars imported through Lagos are called Lagos cars.
Aboh was a naval force on the Niger and had hundreds of gun boats patrolling the river. They also raided Igbo villages for slaves and had slaves sold to them by Igbos. It is from this the word Igbo arose which the Abohs refer to as slaves. The Eboes/Abohs were feared so much at that time by their neighbours as was recorded by explorers. Infact, thecLanders was captured at Asaba(called Kirree) and sent to Aboh where the Obi ransomed him. Few years later, the Abohs were said to be at war with the Kirree who killed a son of the Obi. The Abohs raided Asaba, captured 20 men, cut off their head and displayed them in the Aboh market
There are also recorded document of the Abohs raiding Omoku(or a village near there) and taking the head of their ruler
Overwhelming contemporary and literature evidences of these facts abound. You people have no idea what Aboh/Eboe is.

Big blunder.
In Captain Adams book 1823. He refers to those same majorly exported people as the Heebo people. Now are the Heebo also Eboe because if they then it reconfirms what I think is obvious. The pronunciation of Eboe which by mental gymnastics you redefined as not starting with a similar sound to Igbo (ee) but rather Eh. He doesn’t refer to these really important separate Abo people which I think would be really important. He says he doesn’t know of a territory directly north of Heebo which would naturally be Asaba or “Kirree”(If Heebo meant Aboh). He says it is bounded west by Benin and east is the Ibibio. And just as you said earlier they look similar to Benin people.

Better yet he refers to what he calls Breeche of the Heebo. The same mark referred to by Equiano.
Better yet there is a map made by him.

Brother it is checkmate. Just drop your pride.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 10:46pm On Apr 15, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
Kirree Market of Lander is at Asaba according to Baikie

That isn’t what I asked. I asked for the reference from LANDER not Baikie.

Edit: I see actually why what you wrote was relevant but without the proper reference from Lander about Kiree and without the exact quotation it’s useless.

Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 7:50pm On Apr 15, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
do you know about the Orogun people of Delta state? Do you know that they migrated from Aboh to their present location? Are you aware they speak the Aboh dialect in addition to Urhobo?(they usually speak Aboh when communicating with themselves but speak urhobo when communicating with other Urhobos). Do you know they call the language they speak Èbo and they are called Èbo-Orogun(the part of Orogun that speak Aboh).

The reason for this is as follows:

The Oroguns migrated from Aboh(a historical fact confirmed by both Aboh and Orogun history) and moved to the Urhobo hinterland. Here, they pronounce Aboh as Èbo

What this shows is that the Abohs were called Ëbos by their neighbours from long before Lander. Lander used the name supplied by the Aboh neighbours from before he got to Aboh. It is interesting Lander didn't call the Kirrees(Asabas) Eboe or indeed any other Igbo speaking people along the Niger.

I want you to imagine you weren’t yourself and read back that comment. Because I am outstanded by the bias shown here. People who migrated from Igboland and call their language what can only be described as Igbo and is listed as a dialect of Igbo, called it igbo. Yes that is clearly in opposition to our claims! Well done.

Also genuinely I want you to reference when Lander came to Asaba and how you knew it was Asaba. I may have missed it when reading.

Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 7:45pm On Apr 15, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
Let us spare the debate on whether Aboh is Igbo for later. Let's focus on whether what early writers called Eboe translates to Igbo. I will gladly oblige you on the former argument afterwards

Nah the two arguments are interlinked, it’s impossible to seperate them. For example. Eboe can be used to refer to Aboh whilst also referring to Igbo. With Igbo being the more correct translation. You want to separate the two points because when considered holistically your point cannot stand. But isolating them makes your point easier to swallow. But the point still wouldn’t stand.

If Aboh is Igbo (true) then Eboe referring to Aboh still makes sense.

If Aboh is supposedly not Igbo (false) then Eboe can be considered a stand alone term. Or so you think. All it would imply is Lander mistook Aboh as an Igbo settlement.

In reality Igbo when pronounced is Eboe just with the native gb being pronounced better.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 3:48pm On Apr 15, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
Eboe is not the old word for Igbo. Eboe is the name of a town and Kingdom which exist to this day. Called Aboh by its natives and Eboe by neighbours, it was a entrepot for slaves and goods due to its strategic position along the Niger. What this means is that slaves were moved to Aboh and sold there, from where they were resold to the whitemen at the coast. It is the reason why Crow recorded a large Eboe population at Bonny.
The Eboes/Abohs did not sell their natives as slaves. Most of the slaves sold were Igbos, most likely from the hinterland. But these slaves were called Eboe slaves because they were sold by the Eboes/Abohs just as cars imported through Lagos are called Lagos cars.
Aboh was a naval force on the Niger and had hundreds of gun boats patrolling the river. They also raided Igbo villages for slaves and had slaves sold to them by Igbos. It is from this the word Igbo arose which the Abohs refer to as slaves. The Eboes/Abohs were feared so much at that time by their neighbours as was recorded by explorers. Infact, thecLanders was captured at Asaba(called Kirree) and sent to Aboh where the Obi ransomed him. Few years later, the Abohs were said to be at war with the Kirree who killed a son of the Obi. The Abohs raided Asaba, captured 20 men, cut off their head and displayed them in the Aboh market
There are also recorded document of the Abohs raiding Omoku(or a village near there) and taking the head of their ruler
Overwhelming contemporary and literature evidences of these facts abound. You people have no idea what Aboh/Eboe is.

Nice try, but why aren’t the slaves sold reported to be Calabar slaves instead of Eboe, if your theory is correct. I am sorry but that theory is simply proof of your bias. You are telling me that I am the one with a ploy yet you are doing ALL the dancing. It is obvious that Lander made a MISTAKE. And you are using a MISTAKE as your evidence.

And of course you have to be writing the whole Eboe/Aboh because you recognise the mind gymnastics you are doing. You just told me Aboh was called Eboe by Iris neighbours. Well done you have just proven that Aboh is Igbo. As I said each Igbo district was called Igbo by other Igbo people. You are simply exploiting the fact that “Eboe” is written differently whilst it sounds the same. They call themselves their native name whilst calling other Igbo people, Igbo. Such is the way of life back then. As in Olaudah’s book, he did the exact same.

Do you mean to tell me that Lander’s book is more important than Baikie’s etc when they:
1. Explored a very similar times.
2. One had better knowledge on Igbo people and even used his predecessor’s knowledge to help.
3. Whilst Lander did not give credence to the theory that Abo is not Igbo, Baikie gave credence to Lander’s findings and also confirmed that Abo is Igbo.
4. Baikie clearly visited territories that were not Abo but were Igbo. Lander seemed to only stick to Abo territories in Igboland.
5. Baikie clearly asked the natives about what they know about the Igbo people as to talk about places he did not visit.

Igbudu, I don’t know if you are from Aboh. If you are I want to understand this. Why do you go to such lengths to create a seperate Identity for Equiano when it is obvious that in Equiano’s books he discussed things prevalent in Igbo culture? You know Abo is a dialect of Igbo and has Igbo culture so for what reason Aboh is less Igbo than other parts of Igboland?

If you aren’t from Abo, I think you should seriously consider your motives in trying to cut off a clearly Igbo people simply because they had their own district just like other parts of Igboland. I can apply similar argument with Arochukwu, Onitsha, Ezza etc

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 7:23am On Apr 15, 2022

Jameseddi1:
. Yes he is from Igbo and Igbo was under the great Benin kingdom them then Igbo was always dependent to Benin this is the Igbo tru history the rest are fabricated.

He claimed that their allegiance to Benin was only nominal. So can you explain how that translates to “dependent”? As nominal means IN NAME ONLY. In other words “their small part of Igboland was independent but linked to Benin”. It certainly doesn’t translate to “the whole of Igboland is dependent on Benin”.

You say “this is the Igbo tru history the rest are fabricated”, but you really mean “I am not planning to be objective when studying history, I only highlight the parts I want to hear”. So many sentimentalists coming to masquerade as historians on this platform.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 2:01pm On Apr 14, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
Aboh people do not consider themselves as Igbos. They never have. But that is not the debate now. The debate is where the early literature referred to as Eboe

The fact that Lander called them Eboe, the old word for Igbo is enough to show you that Abo people called themselves Eboe which is Igbo. You are simply too sentimental. It is clear what’s most likely. Even the slave records, record Eboe people. Unless you mean to say only Abo people were sold.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 1:53pm On Apr 14, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
I came to the banks of a
large river, which was covered with canoes, in which the people
appeared to live with their household utensils and provisions of all
kinds. I was beyond measure astonished at this, as I had never before
seen any water larger than a pond or a rivulet:

Olaudah crossed the Niger, I am surprised you don't know this since you claimed you have read his book a thousand times

That said, it is also important to note that Olaudah was not carried in a straight line to the coast, neither was his original captor's plan to sell him off at the cost.

Lastly, goods and slaves from the ashaka area to the coast would pass through Aboh to the coast beween Bonny and Old Calabar

The reply by bigfrancis21 is enough to counter but this is such a bad argument. They all are part of Aboh yet when they finally arrive at their capital they see a culture that doesn’t represent them at all but does represent the English explorers description (so no one sees it as an insult) of Izon.

Politics › Re: Igbo, Is It Really An Ethnicity? by ChebeNdigboCalm: 12:56pm On Apr 14, 2022

Igo9:
Is Igbo really an ethnicity?

This question has been burgling the mind of many people....

○Well according to some historians ,Igbo was not strictly an ethnicity but a political creation of the year 1878 by some British explorers...

Igbo, a corrupted form of Ibo was a conglomeration of different ethnicities either franchised or forcefully...

The requirements to become igbo are as follows...

1) having just one or two similarities..

2) tying two rappers..

3) having four market days..

4) geographically living around same territory..

5) Having crude oil..

6) jealous of supernatural power,,, average Ibo man is jealous when others having supernatural powers to win wars when his own ibo cannot....he will be jealous and used social media power to grabbed such power performing ethnicity or country... This was the basic reason they claimed Israel and Ijaw that are far different from their ibo....

These are the six criteria to become igbo..

○because Another historian said:
"Igbo is not an ethnicity or tribe but a politically franchise."
"Anyone can be igbo... Japanese, India, Israeli man can be igbo as far as he or she can meet up with any of the requirements list above".

Today happening in igbo land has proven the historians correct...

Example
1) some of the ethnicities like Abakaliki, Mbaise, Ikwere, Onitsha, Afikpo, Nsukka, Anioma, that were franchised and forced into igbo now rejecting it and fighting for their freedom

2) Igbo freedom fighter called Nammdi Kanu had said at several occasions that "any ethnicity where women tie two rappers will automatically become Igbo...

3) nnamdi kanu said because women from niger delta ethnicities tied two rappers so they are all Igbos including Itshekiri and Ijon that are far different from his Ibo in every nature including mindsets..

4) A great man as Dave Umahi once said and I quote " we ebonyians can't be part of igbo again because Igbos marginalizing us"....

5) some few igbo youth still held that political igbo franchise believe 'so they said Ibibios, Efiks, Annangs, Urhobos, are all igbos because of few similarities...

6) the funny side.... Igbo youth still extend the political igbo franchise belief to say Israels or Israelis and Ijaws or Ijawans, rihanna and Akon are also igbos... funny... �...

What the historians told and the mindset of the average Ibo now have answered the question in your mind and my mind that 'igbo is not an ethnicity created by God almighty but a false ethnicity created by politicians in the year of 1878 with a criteria to join...

See why igbo is a man made ethnicity of 1878, unlike ethnicities like Yoruba, Ijaw, Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri, Ibibio, Urhobo, Efik, Benin, Nupe etc that were created by Jehovah God himself during creation..

This is reason igbo doesn't have a root, so igbo youth of today claimed even what is unable to be claimed, just because they are confused.. now, their latest claiming is Haitians....

So people from those ethnicities igbos of today claiming shouldn't be surprised at these people sudden animalistic behavior, it because their ethnicity is franchised one created by human...

This post is only to enlightened those igbos of today claiming their ethnicities as part of theirs... because their next claimed will be Russia..

This post is a reason I made my own post about who really is Igbo.

We will dissect this post piece by piece.

Firstly you claim Igbo was an identity created in 1878 by British explorers when an Igbo man Olaudah Equiano claimed to be Igbo in his book published in 1789. You have already lost there.

Then you claim Igbo was a conglomeration of ethnicities forced into it. Wrong. Simply Igbo was a way of describing people who knew they were independent of each other however still acknowledged that everyone else is Igbo within the same sphere you claim is not Igbo.

As Baikie puts it, everyone from this great race goes by their individual names but when away from home they are all Igbo. In other words there was an implication that an Igbo person is not at home when they call themselves Igbo. But this context as changed and so has the acceptance of the name Igbo.

It is possible to objectively find out of someone is Igbo. However the reason people say Rihanna is Igbo is because of MISINFORMATION from Nigerian media that SHE claimed she was Igbo. Anyway indeed there are several things that mark Igbo identity. One of which is 4 market days which has either been borrowed from us or is in possession of an Igbo clan. However several of these factors PUT TOGETHER makes you Igbo including the LANGUAGE Igbo.

But it is very important to note that the Ijaw you unsparingly referenced are considered one yet speak drastically different languages, have drastically different cultures and origins yet are all considered to exist as Ijaw to you. Very funny.

Also very funny, you add having crude oil as a requirement of being Igbo when according to Nigerians it is like having crude oil disqualifies you as Igbo. All you have done really is notice that one Igbo in Mbaise, Nsukka or Arochukwu is no more Igbo than those of Ukwani, Enuani, Ikwerre etc. Now you are going on a tangent of picking extreme cases to turn it into an “Igbo doesn’t exist” rant instead of acknowledging that Igbo is not what you thought it was. Literally parts of Igboland thought to hold more oil have been separated from the rest.

Politics › Re: Igbo, Is It Really An Ethnicity? by ChebeNdigboCalm: 12:25pm On Apr 14, 2022

SlyDev:
Anambra is igala and bini land
Ebonyi is onye awusa
Enugu is igala land by conquest
Only imo and Abia are core igbo

Igbo is a forced ethnic group

Imo is ijaw and Abia is Ibibio.
There is no Igbo people at all. We don’t exist. That’s what you really want, isn’t it. Now you can come and descend on us and take our ancestral land.

In fact the Igbo language doesn’t exist, it’s just Yoruba words stolen even when Yoruba is younger than Igbo ethnicity. Igala is younger than the Igbo ethnicity. Hausa is younger. But still Igbo is still not real.

In fact we were all forced to call ourselves Igbo that is why we always discuss how we would not swap our Igbo identity for anything.

And it is not as of there are 100s of ethnic groups in Africa that really became United in the early 20th century. Nah it’s only Igbo. It is not as if Ijebu didn’t only consider themselves Yoruba in the late 19th century. It’s not as if thousands of tribes speaking different languages and having different culture are all called Ijaw somehow. And of cause whilst Enugu is considered Igala due to defeated Igala incursions, and Igbo incursions into Igalaland are ignored even when the land was indigenously Igbo, Illorin is still considered Yoruba even though it was permanently taken by Fulani invaders.

The Ibibio, Igala, Yoruba, Edo, Izon and Efik people who used Igbo blacksmiths from Awka(Oka) didn’t see them as Igbo. Nah. Just Igala.

In fact all these passages I am about to post are lies.

Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 3:53am On Apr 14, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
The bolded is a statement without a pinch of evidence

It’s funny you say that yet you are making claims that are borderline insane.
Here are some parts of Baikie’s book. Someone who made direct reference to Lander. Abo people understood they were a district of the Igbo people even back then.

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Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 9:50pm On Apr 13, 2022

aribisala0:
OK

You sound as if you have internal quarrel

You should read your own comments. You were already abusing before we even properly exchanged words based on things I didn’t say. For example you yapped about Wikipedia. Yapped about Senator Kalu.

Look just stick to speaking to unserious and sentimental people. I won’t waste anymore time. You aren’t versed in history.

Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 9:17pm On Apr 13, 2022

aribisala0:
This threa d is not about Opobo you quoted me to address my remarks which were not about Opobo . If you want to talk about Opobo create a thread so we can discuss the Eboe Wikpedia machine .
This thread is about..............remind your self
Yes you are correct NOT OPOBO

Your remarks were not about “How Igbo crusaders captured Arochukwu”. Don’t be a hypocrite.
And I never referenced Wikipedia. Is that your excuse? Well it’s invalid.
You all of a sudden have a problem with derailing a thread? Wow. What a surprise.

This is how you talk. You reply with about 5 words then spend the rest making straw man fallacies. Arguments that I did not make are being attributed to me. Rebuttal on the actual things I wrote or quoted.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 8:46pm On Apr 13, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
Aboh was never perceived as the capital of Igbo. Never. It is the ploy of the Igbos to claim the rich history of Aboh that has led to this false narrative. Lander wrote in 1930 that the city(Eboe) is the capital of a Kingdom of the same name. The Aboh town still exists today and that is what Lander referred to as the Eboe city. The Eboe kingdom is beyond the Aboh town and included places that are now autonomous. The historical evidences are there and you only have to go to that axis to confirm the reach of the old Aboh Kingdom.

Very funny. So you are claiming that by Eboe Lander did not mean Igbo people. You really think that me as an Igbo person read his book independently with no one telling me to. And by finding it by myself, I attempted a ploy just by reading the obvious yet YOU are not attempting a ploy by reading your own beliefs into it. The “historical evidences” are simply little things taken out of context to mask the larger fact that “Eboe” back then referred to the territory from agbor to Nsukka to ezza to arochukwu to Aboh.

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Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 8:15pm On Apr 13, 2022

aribisala0:
No that is just Eboe Aba made IPOB history

What does FOUNDED mean exactly?

Before Jaja No one lived in Opobo

Or Opobo is Eboe language
Or he said
let their be Opobo and there was Opobo

All this nonsense is derailing the thread and I am not interested

Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 8:06pm On Apr 13, 2022

aribisala0:
Look at the title of this thread

Do you see Opobo there?

Why don't we discuss the history of Kuala Lumpur?

No you dont get to do this. You think calling Igbo people backwards is not derailing the thread yet talking actual history is!? Let us finish. Don’t run since I am so mistaken.

Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 8:05pm On Apr 13, 2022

aribisala0:
No that is just Eboe Aba made IPOB history

What does FOUNDED mean exactly?

Before Jaja No one lived in Opobo

Or Opobo is Eboe language
Or he said
let their be Opobo and there was Opobo

All this nonsense is derailing the thread and I am not interested

I am talking about the town obviously not the land it was set in. It’s like telling me that Fulani didn’t found Sokoto. Because Gobir was there before.

Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 8:01pm On Apr 13, 2022

aribisala0:
No Founder of Opobo was Tinubu

Guy Gbafue I don't have time for stupid talk

Somebody that was taken to Opobo as a slave was the founder.

That can only make sense inside the FOUR CORNERS of an Eboe head

I am not interested in that Opobo fiction or your revision attempts on Wikipedia

Just run along

Explain the “actual history” of Opobo. I am waiting. And exactly who the founder is in detail. Then go to Opobo and declare it in front of the monument of Jaja with the same thing I am telling you written down.

Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 7:57pm On Apr 13, 2022

aribisala0:
No Founder of Opobo was Tinubu

Guy Gbafue I don't have time for stupid talk

Somebody that was taken to Opobo as a slave was the founder.

That can only make sense inside the FOUR CORNERS of an Eboe head

You don’t know the history at all. He was taking to BONNY as a slave and got freed. Then founded Opobo. This is embarrassing for you.

Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 7:48pm On Apr 13, 2022

Akponmfet:
That's why we should never trust ndito uneghe,they're criminals and traitors who come to our states and pretend to sell spare parts in the afternoon but do armed robbery in the night.

If that’s a valid reason, should you be considered untrustworthy because AkwaCross were literally the owners of the largest slave markets in West Africa? Selling Igbo slaves the most. It is illogical.

Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 7:46pm On Apr 13, 2022*

aribisala0:
How am I supposed to explain all these ABA MADE LIES?
Very unintelligent lies

Lying is what you do .

You just wake up and manufacture your own facts

Let us take just one

Place the British found hardest to take over = OPOBO
Where did you get this from??

Which Eboe man founded Opobo and when did he do that? What is the evidence for this Akpu inspired nonsense
Just like your Emeagwali and his GAGUT nonsense

All you folk are good at is LYING

Gerrouta here

with your silly childish stories

That s how one of you said Orji Uzor Kalu was so rich before he became governor and he had so much money the Central Bank of Nigeria BEGGED yes begged him to take his money elsewhere because they could not cope.

So he had to go to the World bank which only had space for HALF and he had to take the other half to the IMF

How does one even debate or dialogue with such clowns??

I have never insulted you an don’t intend to, you have insulted yourself here and now. You aren’t a historian. You are a sentimentalist.

Founder of Opobo is Jaja. He was an Igbo Slave born in Amaigbo, this is an undisputable fact. He was reknown because he was monopolising Niger Delta trade. He dominated the trade there more so than Calabar, Bonny etc. His resistance to British rule had to be stopped by kidnapping. Think about it, why didn’t they just waltz in like they normally do?

Now take another.

Edit: Igbo name of Jaja was Mbanaso Okwaraozurumba (Btw I am skeptical about how we came to this conclusion). History of Ibani and Opobo can be found here. https://web.archive.org/web/20050205151206/http://www.igbaniawo.org/opobohistoy.html

Politics › Re: Igbo V. Ibibio: How Igbo Crusaders Captured Arochukwu by ChebeNdigboCalm: 7:09pm On Apr 13, 2022

aribisala0:
Ijaws,Ikwerre,Igala Edo ,Efik Ibibio all raided and sold Eboes as slaves for centuries because the Eboes were relatively backward and less politically evolved. The Eboes never evolved a system of governance beyond the Umunna level and were scattered in many villages and hamlets.There was no Eboe town before colonization where they lived with non Eboes in their midst partly because of a reputation for cannibalism and general hostility to strangers

The fact that Ikwerres sold Eboes as slaves is one reason why they resent being called Eboes

Really? Now if Igbo were that backward and easy to penetrate. Explain why:
1. The British found Igboland the hardest to colonise but didn’t break a sweat in Yorubaland, Hausaland, Nupeland and Ijaw land.
2. The place were the British found hardest to take over in the coast (Opobo) was founded by an Igbo man.
3. Afikpo made a very determined stand when described as never being in contact with any white people prior.

If Igbo towns were not diverse as people didn’t wanna live with them. Explain why:
1. A hausa servant of either Asaba or Onitsha was given to an English explorer as a guide.
2. Igala residents of Igbo towns were common.
3. Migration stories from Benin to Igboland exist yet you people interpret it as the origin story of people who received these travellers.
4. Arochukwu was a common pilgrimage destination.

But as least you acknowledge that some vulnerable clans were raided. But for you it isn’t a symbol of how evil these people are as it is for Igbo wrong doers but how “backwards” we are.

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Culture › Re: How The Igbos Falsely Claimed Olaudah Equaino by ChebeNdigboCalm: 6:51pm On Apr 13, 2022

IgbuduMonkey:
Abó, the Eboe or Ibu of Lander and of Allen, is the name of a town and also of a district extending along both sides of the river, from the Orú country towards Igára. It forms one of the sections of the Great I'gbo (Ibo) territory

Definition of "or": introducing a synonym or explanation of a preceding word or phrase.

From the above, Abó, Eboe and Ibu are synonyms. It is interesting that Baikie went further to say this Abó or Eboe forms a section of the great I'gbo territory hence differentiating Eboe from Igbo.

In contemporary times, Aboh is still called Eboe by some of her neighbours in case you are not aware.

I will not insult you like you have insulted me. I will only educate you and set the record straight.

Regardless of if he was from Aboh or not. Aboh just as described is clearly Igbo. And was wrongly perceived as our capital, so the main point is already lost.

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