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ncheochiagha:
I didn't twist history. I never said anything about his disciples. The point is that Christianity brought by Europeans was born and bred in Europe. It wasn't greek Orthodox Christianity or Judaism. It mainly was western European Protestantism and Catholicism. So again white god is what you're worshipping. The actual Jesus sure he was a jew, a semite, but the image Europeans look up to as Christ is in their European image, and that's what they brought over to Africa. I mean for goodness sake if Europeans saw Jesus as a jew then why all the antisemitism there, to the point that they wiped off most of them from the continent via genocide.

Factcheck0001:
leave story guy

Name one thing Peter obi did better than tinubu as governor

Factcheck0001:
name one thing Peter obi did better than tinubu as governor?

Cromagnon:
Got news for you
That's how people vote

Either take that into consideration or continue banging your head on a drum



Nzeogwu
Please give me the older example
This will be interesting

more news for you.
Most people are not rational, that's why only land owners were allowed to Vote back in the day as most humans too emotional to vote logically


But it is what it is now

Either play the game or stfu and spectate

Eniitankorede:
That’s a figment of your imagination. You don’t have evidence to prove your assertion. It’s just mere name calling. You are not different from a groundnut seller on the street who goes about with rumour mongering. He was arraigned several times at CCT and was discharged even under PDP government. I want you to swear that Amadioha should destroy you and your family if you are telling lies against Tinubu. That’s when I will believe you.

helinues:
Please tell us how Obi is better than Tinubu

Let's compare their achievements, legacies and their managerial skill

helinues:
Your toxicity can't even work here cos repellant is always available.

I really don't know why it is hard for Obi's supporters to run their campaign without attacking others.

Obi deserves better that his toxic supporters who are sending people away from him as they are not interested in listening to others opinions except theirs

helinues:
What wonders did Obi do in Anambra state that makes him the best cold beer on a sunny day?

Did Obiano destroy all the legacy of Obi in the last 8 years in Anambra that Obi's supporters are struggling to point out to his extra ordinary achievements in the state?

Is it right to say those who are supporting Obi are deluded just because they are not supporting what I am supporting?

helinues:
From Obidient to Toxident

helinues:
You are just arrogant with your opinion

Eniitankorede:
OP have you smoked ganja tonight? Where is Tinubu wanted? He goes to US and other countries without any hindrance. Their ambassadors visit him at home. Yes, we know Atiku is a wanted criminal, he cannot visit US. Meanwhile, Peter Obi should be in jail by now for the 250 million money he laundered to Lagos while he was Governor. He should thank his stars that EFCC is a lame dock presently. Otherwise he should be in prison.

ncheochiagha:
It is mostly of Roman origin. That's why the jews are not Christian. They are well...jews.

The Romans crucified Christ and that's how the religion started in the Roman republic- which I want to remind you is the main origin point of Western civilisation. Christianity is a firmly white religion. Do not try to argue around this.

Then the British had their own different brands of Christianity which they brought here to use to conquer us mentally. Let me ask you a question..why is your God a white man? You're literally worshipping the white man and bringing down your own people when you practise Christianity. Of course most of you don't see this as a problem because most of you don't value your people or your land. Mentally colonised!

ncheochiagha:
It is mostly of Roman origin. That's why the jews are not Christian. They are well...jews.

The Romans crucified Christ and that's how the religion started in the Roman republic- which I want to remind you is the main origin point of Western civilisation. Christianity is a firmly white religion. Do not try to argue around this.

Then the British had their own different brands of Christianity which they brought here to use to conquer us mentally. Let me ask you a question..why is your God a white man? You're literally worshipping the white man and bringing down your own people when you practise Christianity. Of course most of you don't see this as a problem because most of you don't value your people or your land. Mentally colonised!

UrPapa:
But the question is “Is Nigeria no more a zoo” and “are we not animals anymore”

Cromagnon:
competent how? Is Anambra competent?

Randerl:
My Candidate is zMy Choice To Vote. And in this community we are Going for Tinubu or Kwankwaso.

Cromagnon:
Ibo ppl started the racism

Musty112:
Election is near and all of a sudden, Nigeria is no longer a "zoo" because they have a candidate who is not even going to be the runner up let alone the winner. I'll love to see the look on their faces after the election sha upon all these twitter and nairaland ranting.

ncheochiagha:
So what is it?

kayjay69:
okey bakassi assumes that his audience is filled with rational human beings capable of logical thinking by themselves, of themselves.

unfortunately, Nigerians are neither. across the 200m Nigerians, one thing i have since discovered is the country is the way it is because the leaders are a direct reflection of the country. The leaders of Nigeria today did not fall from heaven, most of them virtually came from poor or middle class backgrounds so it can be argued that they passed through the same hardship that we are now passing through.

the only difference is that they know when they reach the positions of power, all they have to do is remind you of your ethnicity and your religion. in addition, they pay some urchins to come make noise on social media, they pay some others to mobilize support for them. they make promises they have zero intention of keeping and when they get there it is business as usual.

the Nigerian political class can never effect meaningful change for its people, it is not a curse, it is a fact, whether you pray from now till kingdom come. you cannot expect men and women who made their wealth from pillaging public funds to suddenly have a change of heart, it is impossible sorry. It is only Nigerians that can demand for true change but just a sample size on nairaland will reveal just how stupid and how daft most Nigerians are. go on any thread and see for yourself. in your myopia, you praise your very own oppressors. you neglect the real issues. you turn against yourself for no reason and you start to wage stupid wars on each other, doing the devils own work whilst the very people responsible for all your problems are out there happy.

the Nigerian situation has bent Nigerians into subjection and i am afraid to say religion has weakened the average Nigerian mind. to the point where asking pertinent questions about how your own government is being run seems like a crime. Nigerians are greedy and very self-centered. so far my good is own and i am okay, then God has answered my prayers and all is well. it is why same Nigerian youths who represented both parties on the delegate level, were extremely excited. we forget that everything is connected and whatever you do in this life there is cause and effect.

the only way out of this mess we find ourselves is restructuring the country, similar to what okey bakassi suggested but i assure you if 2 out of the 3 men running for Presidency are men whom we know made their money by subverting government funds for themselves then we are wasting time in thinking that Atiku or Tinubu will restructure Nigeria. they simply want access to the President's ATM, the NNPC. Obi cannot restructure Nigeria too, unfortunately the powers of the president limit what he or any of the other two can do. But atleast based on his precedent he is bound to be better than the other two.

only the people can demand meaningful change and only then can we start building an actual country.

TMSMedia:
Make Nigeria 3 Regions, Make Atiku, Tinubu And Obi Head The 3 Regions - Okey Bakassi

Popular Nigerian comedian, Okey Bakassi has suggested that Atiku, Tinubu and Obi should be allowed to govern two geopolitical zones each from Nigeria's six geopolitical zones, IGBERETV reports.

He wrote on his Facebook page;



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Ebi2233:
Stop deceiving yourselves.

I support no candidate but I hate it when grown ups make caricature of themselves thinking politics is just social media.

ncheochiagha:
I don't mean to make you angry because my mission here is to educate people, but is it not better to follow something because your ancestors did than because it was imposed by people that conquered you. On its own being a Christian is not bad, but we have to look at the history behind these things and the history tells me that by submitting to Christianity, I am submitting to a conqueror (British). That being said, that's just my personal outlook. Christianity is not really what is harming our society the most, so I'm not shaming anyone for being a Christian.

AreaFada2:
Well, just because you didn't know doesn't mean that many others didn't know. I grew up surrounded by historians, writers , linguists, journalists and others. In Benin, even morning greetings contain history such as your original family tree. Not good morning like other tribes greet. Ancient songs depict history and events. Royal ceremonies re-enact events from centuries ago. Some by same families from back then. Ceremonial songs dating back centuries are intact. At coronation, an event from 1255 AD, crossing the land bridge, is re-enacted elaborately.

Benin speak up when some want to use modern population politics and tribal nationalism to twist Benin history out of their ignorance. When the Palace now clarifies what our ancient history says about a topic, they say it is a new declaration. In Benin, it is not where one person can use money to buy kingmakers to suddenly become King. Oba of Benin is trained from birth about his role as future king and history. He doesn't just begin making declarations suddenly without solid historical basis and scrutiny.

9ja of today is too tribalistic that most are not open-minded enough to objectively view what is not in favour of their tribe's glory.

In fact left to some, when you mention 9ja, it should only be about Wazobia.

exCHRISTIAN:
Either the christian God is absent, doesn't exist, or IT can't protect It's followers.

As far as I know, before I left Xtianity, I studied the Bivbbble more than I can, I know it said:

But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one.

Why didn't he do so

Is he a lia*


Thessalonians 3:3

Before any rotten brain qoute me, see my signature.....

IgbuduMonkey:
You have aced it. It is very difficult to add anything to this. Thank you my brother for this post, i am bookmarking it already. Chebendigbocalm, your thread should close here, question has been answered

ChinenyeN:
To answer the main question of this topic. I'll echo what RedboneSmith said. "Igbo" is primarily a linguistic grouping. Secondarily a "cultural" grouping and tertiarily an "ethnic" grouping.

The linguistic grouping is easy to see. It's not hard to identify a community that shares the same lingusitic innovations as modern Igbo. It is rather distinctive, once you analyze the lexicon and SAVO constituent order. Most Igbo speech forms are closely related, suggesting one primary proto-Igbo branch that survived in the area.

The cultural grouping only has relevance for modern Igbo-speaking people. I say this because we no longer engage with over 90% of our pre-colonial culture. All that is left is just a handful of things that survived into present day like iri ji, igo oji, ofo, etc, because they were shared by enough people and given enough relevance. However, even among these surviving elements, we see that not all Igbo cultures engaged in it. Is it iri ji? There are at least three communities I know of that do not historically do it. Is it igo oji? There procedure is rather different from community to community, and there are different beliefs with respect to the relevance of certain kola with specific numbers of lobes. Is it ofo? I know of at least two communities that do not have this "Igbo staff of office". Any reasonable person who encounters this will quickly understand that culture is a less-relevant tool for identifying what is "Igbo" and what is not. It's only because of the remnants that survive that we can even claim such a thing as "Igbo culture". Considering how independent the communities were, I would not be surprised if pre-colonial Igbo culture ended up being vastly different between specific regions, or possibly within a 5 - 10 kilometer radius.

Finally, the ethnic grouping is so much in contention that it is obvious all Igbo-speaking people do not share the same idea of what it means to be "Igbo". This ethinc grouping is relevant primarily for the group of communities that inhabit what is currently called the "SE geopolitical zone", and even then, it is still an afterthought for some communities.

Out of these three factors, linguistic, cultural and ethnic, the only consistent way to define Igbo is as a "lingusitic group". It is the only definition that is relevant to all Igbo-speaking communities.

ChinenyeN:
We've reviewed this on this forum for over a decade and still continue to rehash it? C'mon, IgbuduMonkey is right. The people known as Igbo today are not of common ancestry. No intellectual gymnastics can change that. Let me help make it clear to you.

According to the field of linguistics, all surviving Igbo speech forms are traced to a shared linguistic innovation that is dated between 4,000 - 6,000 years ago. In this very forum, we also identified that this linguistic innovation occurred outside of what we now call "Igboland". However, there has been continuous human habitation in "Igboland" for at least 50,000 years. How do you account for those inhabitants that predate the innovation of proto-Igbo language and had been living in "Igboland" for over 50,000 years? You cannot. Your only option is to accept that modern Igbo speakers are of mixed ancestry.

1) Original inhabitants of what is now "Igboland", who could have been either different people or the same people. We may never truly know.

2) Original Igbo-speaking population that entered the region perhaps 3000 - 4000 years ago and linguistically overwhelmed original inhabitants

3) All other incoming populations between 3000 years ago to present day that eventually adopted an Igbo speech form (there are so many oral traditions for this that I should not even have to review it).

Simply put, there isn't a single claim of "common Igbo ancestry" that can withstand even basic scrutiny.