₦airaland Forum

AmTruth:
On your number 5 the attached is what the ministry of finance just said. This is just part from premium Time. However this would only be confirmed if we start getting news from State that they have received it. So something is already ongoing about this

Please can I get a screenshot or detailed info on this?

Can we have a briefing on how this is happening or will happening? I'm watching updates in what is being done in another countries, we need same here so we know what to do.
See thanks to GOD for criticism from people atleast I will confess in seeing efforts by the govt recently.
Saw a memo today on 50% tax cut if companies do not retrench their staffs. People complained but I hail the president cos we don't have enough money

AmTruth:
The TB test kit you are talking about as the statement said COULD BE which is not certain yet. Meanwhile it's a test kit with a particular specifications and data sheet which means not anyhow TB test kit. Also they mentioned that they have like 23000 world wide. You know what I mean when I say world wide.

How many of that SPECIFIC kit we have in Nigeria presently and now even US that would produce it are even Short of kit not to think of sending it to anyone.

Generally world wide presently everyone is on is own

Bros alot are in Nigeria currently; each state has atleast one in any major General hospital.
Now, did you see what Trump did with hydroxy-chloroquine and Azythromycin?
He pressured FDA to approve it since it has worked though not � proven but better than people dying. Today FDA has approved it.
See, the govt can pressure our own professionals who can try this procedure to expand testing, isolation and targeted treatment

AmTruth:
You can go and study details of CBN intervention fund. Interest rate dropped from 9 percent to 5 percent for both companies and families

Love your maturity so far

See Bros, darkness can never shit light in any form.
Go and see this by Sanwolu (https://www.nairaland.com/5765549/lagos-sms-stimulus-packages-60-year-old)
Bros, a good government has nothing to prove as the works being done will talk for itself.
See what Makinde is doing too, he brought in a Medical professor from Ibadan Medical College

AmTruth:
You can go and study details of CBN intervention fund. Interest rate dropped from 9 percent to 5 percent for both companies and families

Love your maturity so far

https:///9tAUExUkHa?amp=1

Electricity tariff to increase on Wednesday
Did you see this?

ahiboilandgas:
their are 3000 biafrans working in dangote lekki refinery......tell me any ibo company that other tribe are working

Dangote's lekki refinery?
Please name them.
If you can quite the figures without their names then you're unfit to mention that figure and should shut it

Arrewa:
why will you spend millions on burial but can't spend thousands to prevent the death??

This is not about tribalism...but that's how they are...

And your elites are spending more money on arming bandits, herdsmen, and BH rather than feeding talk more educating people up North?
Oga, egbenu e soun

Arrewa:
You'll never see them contribute...

Igbos are not philanthropical in nature...

They don't give to anything that won't bring return

They can spend 1 billion on burial but to help...

Mbanunu... They will rather spend the money on beer

If your Area group were philanthropic enough, we wouldn't have almajiri and BH today.
Show me a tribe that has so built each other in Nigeria?

johnmartus:
I disagreed on ethnicity aspect. The writer deliberately ignored the real ethnicity of southeast.

The most tribalistic tribe in Nigeria are igbo. Go to igbo shop when you're speaking English they will be speaking their language they know you are not hear. But anytime this matter arise note that they want to cheat you.

If you are a Yoruba and you know how to speak igbo you are trouble because they will hate you with passion.

And for the religious aspect igbo people aren't religious tolerant .there are many igbo muslims but they will not allow them to have say or represent them in Anyway. That's why Anambra people hate Ebonyi people.

Bros do you live on Mars or Earth?
Igbos speak their language more in multi-tribal settings?
I had a manager Igbo with 3 Igbos and 5Yorubas in a team and for 4yrs in that team, my manager never spoke to me in Igbo but once the Yoruba manager came even in corporate meetings, he spoke Yoruba.
Oga Yorubas speak their languages more though I don't feel bad about this whenever it happens

Esseite:
The east are not known for ethnic and tribal jingoism... the topic ascribing the east as ethnic is totally different from the article itself.

"From the article", it goes to show the SW may be the tribal and ethnic region wanting everyone to follow a single party or path aswell as kingmaker and any dissenting view is seen as an aberration and possibly called an outcast.. according to the article, this goes against the line of equity and fairness which the East abhors.. that may be the reason why the fight here never ends.

Bros, don't drag yourself to the mud with the mired guy helinues.
He hardly understands anything.
Don't bother replying him as he will never read. Igbos are his nightmare holding him down from a better life

AmTruth:
You can go and study details of CBN intervention fund. Interest rate dropped from 9 percent to 5 percent for both companies and families

Love your maturity so far

Please address other questions too
Thanks

deji17:
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Very good
Inasmuch as most of what these guy threw insight in this Country's insecurity is happening now but I just don't like the way he talks.

AmTruth:
You can go and study details of CBN intervention fund. Interest rate dropped from 9 percent to 5 percent for both companies and families

Love your maturity so far

Read it better here: https://nairametrics.com/2020/03/25/cbn-issues-guidelines-to-access-n50-billion-covid-19-credit-facility/ and these are the only ones covered. Though it's a good step yet lots of questions are begging to be answered with this as it is not holistic

AmTruth:
TB is not COVID-19, what do you mean I have Intel. That's how you go about giving fake facts. Test kit of corona virus as donated by JACK MA and few already from WHO and others procure from the government.

Please stop misleading people that TB test kit are used for Covid19 test too

Did you at all read the link I shared with you or even my post?
This is why I just don't engage most of you, people who I'm sure are not knowledgeable in areas and only jump to talk.
I gave you a credible source but you ignored it.
Did you even read

AmTruth:
How would you call Nigeria breweries diageo of Guinness Abinbev or distilleries as pure producers of ethanol or alcohol. Alcohol is their raw material as they mix it at certain percentage to what they produce.

Ethanol or alcohol as spirit for sanitizer are produce from raw material like cassava or sugar which the company I mentioned before are into. Beer producers don't fall under that category Mr

Bros, please in the name of GOD stop this thing naaaaa.
Honestly, I'm not here to insult you or sth but don't make it seem so.
Bros, these breweries produce their alcohol themselves from rice, sorghum & co. and yes can do so. They have the facility to do so
I also have an Intel that NB PLC & Diageo have offered to support with this production.

AmTruth:
On number 4 what policies do you need again when various state government are setting up isolation centers in collaboration with the federal government, while competent test laboratory across the country are approved for testing as test kit continue to be made available.

Competent Lab have to be identify because you don't just give any one to do the test of Covid19 as it is a special virus inorder to avoid conflicting results.

Oga, FG isn't supporting any state currently to mount isolation centres. Show me proof, even the ones in Lagos are funded by banks like GTB & co. Even Sanwolu is showing activity more than PMB.
Bros I have Intel that a TB test kit can be used for COVID-19 test (https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/new-covid-19-rapid-test-approved-for-genexpert-tb-platform-could-pave-way-for-more-testing-in-low-middle-income-countries/) but bureaucracy with govt is stalling this.
Which test kits did you say are being made available?
Can you show us a pics of at least 10 or even 5 testing stations in the whole of Nigeria?
Bros, wake up

AmTruth:
Let start with number 1. What do you mean by draw alcohol company. Do you mean attract company that produce ethanol? Because alcohol which is commonly called Kai Kai or sapele water is produce locally already.

At this convid time even if you have fantastic policies to attract investors no investor is investing presently in the world. That is why we are presently facing global recession.

We have companies in Nigeria producing ethanol or alcohol and example is Unikem or Unicane Industry Limited.

So government around the world now concern is about curtailing the virus not setting policies of attracting investors.

Guy, nawaooooooo!
Should I reply this or what?
Oga, there are lots of alcohol companies Nigerian Breweries, Diageo, ABInBev, and other distilleries that can produce sanitizers as we are talking.
Govt can promise these companies 150% of the cost of every sanitizer they produce now free to the appropriate govt agencies in tax holidays.
Imagine sanitizers of 500ml is sold at N3,000 and who knows how many fakes are in town. But if got partners with these companies sanitizers of 500ml can sell for N1,000 and you'd be sure you bought sanitizers and not fakes.
Who is talking about drawing foreign investors
See, bro when people are talking or events are happening, before you support anyone as you're supporting govt now the no well.
If Nigeria gets better its for all and if bad for all.
Out of 7, you could only delve into one and you didn't even understand it

helinues:
Apc are the one in charge.. The policies, preventing measures and co.. That a lone is more than donation..

If Pdp truly cares about Nigerians, here is the time

What policy?
Bros, can we debate on this?
There is no single policy on ground except social distancing which people have been doing on their own.
1. What policy to draw alcohol companies to produce sanitizers?
2. What policies for atleast manual ventilators or makeshift tests?
3. What policy to companies to produce facemasks, and other PPEs?
4. What policy to test a certain group of people, isolate and quarantine them?
5. What policy to ensure daily-job people have food to eat in the 2weeks window or even more if it lingers?
6. What policy to stop or reduce interest rates on loans as businesses are shut down and can't run to repay loans?
7. What policy to sustain in the oil price drop with this economic lockdown?
8. What policy for rent, and other utilities? Will I be able to run on post debited power if this lingers?
9. Any makeshift home for the homeless?
I just watched that presidential update with so much worry
Answer these questions oga and you will know we are in deep shit

APCNig:
ANC of South Africa is his next abode. Useless Cameroonian bisexual

You people should see the genesis of the abuse on PMB today.
This is why I just don't care about people disrespecting and insulting our president cos he and his cohort bred the serpent biting them today

helinues:
Was he the one that contested the election? Do you have proofs to back this claim up abi na from Ipob Data Collecting Centre ( IDCC) you got this from?

How much did Atiefku spend on wasted 2019 election?

I would have believed you but defending a bullion van with a queue of beggars in his house on election eve of all day is overdue corruption but madness

helinues:
They are the one in government. So collectively they have donated more than money..

And btw, hope you have read about Tinubu donating N200m

Sometimes I wonder how some of us reason in this country. Is the money being spent by the govt owned by the people or the govt?
How is the expenditures by this current govt APC's personal contribution?
Albeit this govt has not done anything about this pandemic.
Can you in clear terms elucidated what this govt has currently done and being felt by the citizens?
Forget all these audio rubbish when they would have banned flights or quarantined all incomers but for their sons, daughters, relatives and friends in Europe

Guys, how is the power situation in your area?
What's the current minister of power doing?
What's wrong with us in this country?
Quarantining with my GEN in full blast since yesterday

If they paid you for this, just return their money cos this won't work.
There's absolutely a 0.000001% or even 0% chance that this can happen
Have you been to a brewery before?
First show the whole bottle and the batch no and the company can trace exactly where that stuff started

fairfora:
E never reach that level na

Take care

Thanks bro

fairfora:
It's not enough to tell me I dont know my job and you do not need to copy and paste links for me to understand what you said. I'm well trained on ventilation across EU and USA and this is what I do for a living for nearly 15 years now. I'm not in doubt that there cheaper ventilators. Now, let me educate you on this...

There are different types of a ventilator viz:

Mechanical Ventilator

Emergency Transport Ventilator

Electronic Ventilator

Under a mechanical ventilator we have the pneumatic ones which is purely driven by gas. an example is the old Newport this ventilator could cost as low as 2m naira

An emergency transport Ventilator doesn't cost much as well but with limited modes, to manage a patient in a critical state to from one hospital to another or from home to the hospital for further care.

Electronic ventilators are more robust and essential for the ICU ( intensive care unit) and HDU( high efficiency unit or critical care unit). This is the type of a ventilator needed in the current situation. Maybe innoson was referring to the first one which was the pneumatic ventilator. This is just for mild cases and not for critical ones which is needed in this case. The ventilation modes of an electronic ventilators are SIMV, BIPAP, IMV, PC, VC, T1,T2,DUOPAP,CPAP, Nebulizer, Etco2( Etco2 module alone costs over 2m naira). This is the type of ventilator we are talking about. For innoson to dabble into production of this, he would have to probably close down the automobile business because it's highly capital intensive. Go and find out the ventilatirs manufacturers' worth ( like GE, Stephan, Phillip, Dragger, Maquet, etc) they are worth billions of dollars.

On the R and D, every manufacturer has their unique products and technology. They also have their unique selling points. Some ventilators come with an integrated respiratory humidifiers while some are stand alone. They go on research yearly to ensure they stand tall as the market is competitive. Additionally, they try to ensure they do not copy themselves to avoid litigation. They do not remain in same locations. They meet with university professors to share patients' conditions with them which could help them modify their products better to ensure efficiency of their devices. All these cost a lot of money. As sensitive as ventilators are, chinese government do not use any ventilator made by their people rather, they go to europe and america to buy. It's in recent times they were e trying to adopt mindray.

Sorry sir
I bow to your expertise and technicality here.
I knew nothing but relied on what I could read up, I'm only verse in data science, bioinformatics and molecular biology.
Pardon those stupid word of mine.
Thanks for the education, I should pay for certification

fairfora:
Bros, this is my area. I repeat, ventilators aren't motor vehicles. A lot of technology is involved. A device that must behave like human beings and be well interactive. A baby babylog from dragger alone costs 14m naira and it's no more in production. VN5000 which is now a replacement is over 16m naira and if you want accessories for all patient categories ( neonates, paediatrics and adults) you would spend nearly 20m naira to get one. A ventilator is meant to last up to 10 years. I like innoson for his innovative automobile ideas. He should just continue with that.

On a research and development alone, companies manufacturing ventilators spend billions every year. It takes away a huge portion of their profit because nothing most go wrong. It's no child's play.

Bros, your field and you don't know their are manual ventilators or you don't know FG can partner with any Chinese, US, or German firm to avail innoson of the app via online download while he produces the hardware?
My guy see these links
1. https://healthmanagement.org/c/icu/news/nigerian-doctor-invents-portable-low-cost-ventilator

2. https://www.notechmagazine.com/2020/03/open-source-breathing-ventilators-covid19.html

3. Funded but still low cost; https://www.superiorideas.org/projects/low-cost-ventilator

4.https://m.alibaba.com/showroom/medical-ventilator-price.html

Bros if Govt is serious, IVM and any other engineering company can produce this with the right formulas.

Lol, R & D? Bros there are already made ventilators everywhere. Is the technology of a modern car less than that of a ventilator?
Did IVM attend school or certifications for many years to gain expertise to produce his cars?
Oga, with the right cash and partnership FG can make it happen

yommen:
''But we need the government or other health institutions to place orders the quantity that may be required before we could take any step,” Mr Osigwe added.

Shameless. A foreigner in the name of Jack Ma has spent Billions of $ to give people free treatment of the disease but here is a man who sees it as an opportunity to make more wealth and see his people jubilating over a shameless act. Ibos, you all need to sit down and think twice on how you want to be taken serious, in this country.

You're so shameful, is he as rich as Jack Ma?
Will you sell steel and polyethylene raw materials to him at no price?
Yes, he might have the machineries but he has to buy components to assemble those stuffs.
You should be ashamed that a whole country doesn't have upto 300 ventilators but each of your political elite has atleast a convoy of 3cars with each over N20 million twice the price of a ventilator.
This statement is as patriotic as can be and knowing this man, if the govt can avail him raw materials, he will produce without charge

fairfora:
Ventilators are not motor vehicles... anything done wrong would mean death!!!!.That is why it's so costly. One ventilator like Dragger (VN5000) for adult use and Stephan(Sophie) for paediatric and neonatal use costs over 14m naira each

Bros, the way you guys talk of subjects you have a faint knowledge of is so worrisome.
Are there no ventilators in the past without y2k softwares? He must not produce state-of-the-art ones but manual ones that can atleast save lives and reduce mortality rates

Well done Mr. President
Late but at least your effort is appreciated

MetaPhysical:
I say keep quiet and discuss this thieving bust.

See wetin your nwanna dey do to my brothers, teaching them how to steal in America.

After 77 okafors were busted by fbi this is what you have resorted to do....begin recruit Yoruba boys to front for your crime.

Yoruba youths dont know how to steal. Its not part of our ways at all to steal other people property. This is strange. Really strange!!

This event where we have much of your names than mine?

MetaPhysical:
Mallam Chibuzor, focus on this FBI bust abeg. Una don corrupt Yoruba youths in America finish.

Yoruba were never known to steal other people stuffs, you are a bad influence!

Focus on this bust and stop talking nonsense!

After 88 Ibo boys are busted not long ago you have been recruiting to dilute your shame and spread guilt to other ethnicities.

Watch yourself o!

Like I said you are shameless not to know a thing.
Quiet sorry to meaningful Yorubas here and you guys should see this as Me Vs MetaMadness not I vs Yorubas.
A whole drug dealer whom went to court in chains got back and all you could do was elevate him.
Go stop the efcc constantly raiding Ibadan.

voltron14:
Our president has banned travel from Italy, UK, USA Switzerland, China, Norway, Spain, and a host of others and for a population of 200 million people we have a mere handful of cases.

As of this morning 101 Americans had died from the Coronavirus.

Trump has also driven his country into recession and has no one else to blame but himself.


1000 dollars might sound a large figure to you but it is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

America is definitely great under him.

Just this morning the FG barred these countries.
Bros just be rational at least.
America and NGA who has better healthcare and medical professionals?
The US has barred since and just yesterday the FG was insisting they won't bar even when they knew that even stronger countries are on their kneels already on this pandemic.
I'm not holding brief for Trump but few times issues came up, he has shown his stand for his country.
Anyway, Kudos to the FG for this, quiet needful