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raumdeuter:
Pique has more awards than Nesta nd Stam combined or are you telling us now that FIFA/UEFA dont know what they are doing and someone on NL called chic2pimp knows more

Pique does not have more "INDIVIDUAL" awards than either Sandro or Stam. Check it again. I can't remember any point in time anyone has considered Pique to be European Footy's best

Ibime:
I wonder why Beckham wont be honoured in 1999 when he was the best player in a team that won UCL and thrre was no major International Tournament that year except maybe Copa America. Rivaldo won that year based on Copa America.

Don't mind Dayo and His hatred for anything English. Dude was a beast throughout that campaign. From the Premier League to the FA CUP to the Champions League. He was superb

raumdeuter:
So who was the better defender between Ramos and Terry, Pique and Nesta, Pepe and Jaap Stam

Since its awards we want to check

Ramos,Terry,Nesta and Stam are clearly the best of that bunch. Each one of those aforementioned players have one time or another been considered the best central defender in world/European football. Pique comes last.

raumdeuter:
People this is an example of the hype we talk about English players. Below is an example of the so called assist for Beckham according to Lord chic2pimp. But when we looked at it on video we saw that after Beckham took a corner kick, the ball touched at least 4 other players before landing in the net. But here we are they are telling us Beckham made 2 key assists in the CL final

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Beckham too the corner, either Linke or Schmeichel headed, the ball landed Yorke headed another Bayern player kicked out Giggs played the ball in and Sherigham scored

So after Beckham kicked the ball about another 5 players touched it before it landed in the net, Yet what we are hearing is that the "Assist" is why he won the FIFA award

Leave long yarns for Wasiu Ayinde Marshall. He was instrumental in united winning that finals. A feat Fifa clearly acknowledged hence why He was voted second. He was a beast during United's treble winning campaign.

raumdeuter:
chic2pimp who was the better defender Sergio Ramos or Terry

I am waiting how you will eat your words with the award count this time around

Now this is actually a fairer comparison. Ramos and Puyol were the two key defenders during the spanish era of dominance. Not forgetting His performances for Real in both their La Decima and Undecima title winning campaigns. You can't go wrong either way.

Oduirewamiri:
he attends Chrisland schools, so he should be bright

I make you right on that!

raumdeuter:
The Portuguese team that won the Euro had Europes best player, they had Pepe, They had Sanches one of Europes best youngster, they had Nani, they had Carvalho

Show us Terrys performance on the field. Its always a resort to award won at the polls in ballot not what was won on the field

In Boatanks era Germany have never failed to make a major semi despite not having multiple FIFA and UEFA award winner, the last time ENgland made a major semi was 20yrs ago when Boatang was 8yrs old

How come a team with multiple award winners led by the useless Terry himself cannot even make a major semi final

Sanches Ko Baba suwe ni. Nani that is 3 years past His prime. That team had no business winning. I know it and so do You.

And How is that down to Boa alone? How about the likes of Neur,Lahmn, Bastian and Muller? Besides getting to semis and beyond is no biggie for the most succesful european nation of all time. They stil would have done the same without Boa.

Debroslink:
What kind of comment is this? Indeed it's Messi and Iniesta that played 5 and 6 to make Valdes keep the most clean sheet in the history of La liga in the last 10 years.

Legend Pique and Terry is not worth debating.

That is all down to Having possibly the best midfield in the world that hardly gave away the ball and the best strikeforce in world football. The Many many times I watched Barca even Mascherano looked like King Kong in that defence

A40:
Why can't this defender and leader lead his team to a semi final of a major tournament? Why is his club achieving their finest hour of success in his absence in Europe. Not once but TWICE!

David Beckham was twice runner up in FIFA WPOTY. David goddamn Beckham. That is the power of english hype

He has led Chelsea to countless titles and his efforts in those titles has been handsomely rewarded. His individual accolades speaks volumes.

Don't blame Beckham. Blame His outstanding performances in 1999. From two key assists in the CL final to getting the Equaliser in the last game of the season to seal the title to getting the opening goal in the FA Cup semi finals

raumdeuter:
According to FIFA and UEFA England is a better team than Germany since they had better players than Germany. Beckham Gerrard, Lampard, Terry Scholes Cashley were winning these individual awards regularly while the German side of Schweini, Hummels, Boatank, Howedes, Kroos, Khedira, Schurrle Gotze werent

So according to FIFA and UEFA, England is better only one Dayo on NL doesnt agree with FIFA

Thats the thing, Terry doesnt have on the field performance to point to its always awards. Great players always point to their great plays in big games, Only the useless ones like Terry only have awards as evidence they were ever footballers

Not only Dayo however trophies won on the field disagree, Terry is the great players in polls and ballot, but on the field disappears as usual

Show us a great game from Terry in a CL final, Euro final or world cup final. Mba the only evidence is to go check awards

The portugese team that won the Euros were pretty much uninspiring. How comes the more talented Germans, Spanish and Belgians did not win it all eh? That's why we love the beautiful game.

Some dudes on NL believe Boa/Pique to be the better player whilst Seasoned Journalist at Uefa and Fifa wholly disagree

Debroslink:
Who is that dude downgrading Legend Pique?

Do I need to tell you how he has singlehandedly upheld our defense against strong oppositions? Against Arsenal where Puyol got a red card, Arsenal never scored a goal after that. Against Sevilla kor in Copa del Rey FINAL?

How he carried make shift midfielders com defenders in Toure and Mash?

Anyone that pitches Pique and Terry in the same sentence again need to be kissed by lightening.

Nonsense

He did not carry Nada. Your midfield and Striking Force did most of the carrying.

A40:
Baba abeg wetin make John Racist better pass Pique? People throw that Barca line all the time but Pique also performs for Spain. John Racist is arguably the most overrated player in Association football history

Better Defender and Leader. Uefa and Fifa seem to agree with too. The only place where there is even an argument of some sort is on NL.

bykebyke:
*whistles*

My point still stands. Puyol was the KEY performer in that defensive lineup with Ramos the next best.

raumdeuter:
Pique and Ramos are all better than Terry and are on the same level with Boatank. The choice of who is better will just be personal preference

Pique wasnt lucky to be there he was one of the core of the team

The 08 treble, 2010 world cup, 2012 Euro 2015 treble Pique Busquets and Iniesta were the only thing constant there. So Pique was lucky to be there, Busquets was lucky to be there, who were the ones who made the team? After puyol left he stepped up his game and has been better than Terry ever was in his entire career

Terry is a poor defender who only lived on hype when we ask for Terrys performances in big game its like asking for what doesnt exist. They will tell us he has this award that award yet when we check the game we see a litany of errors

May be Pique is better on NL Bayern forum but Fifa and Uefa seem to disagree. Also it is not the same Lucio you used to knock all the time for His frequent lapses in concentration?

If we are talking about key players in that Era of dominance, Puyol would be the first defender to spring to mind not Pique. Even Mascherano a Midfielder heck even Toure looked like a beast when asked to play Centre Defence in that team. Apart from one Dayo on NL, no one considers Pique the better player.

People bring up individual awards to back up their arguments because as it is states on the tin, it's down to your own individual performances not some team effort of some sort.

raumdeuter:
They are all way better than John Terry and can be compared to Boatank. Terry is in the lower rung of defendersthe only thing he has going for him is that he is English and gets criminally overrated

What Lucio did in that 2010 CL or in the 2002 Wrld cup Terry cannot even come close

You still haven't answered my question. Are they individually better than Boateng or not? Overrated by whom? Uefa?Fifa? Or Dayo?

So the likes of Pique Is better than JT? How so? Because He had the luxury of playing in the Spain's and Barca's golden era?

raumdeuter:
No great footballer except Messi or Ronaldo churns out good performance consistently. Even the great Zidane his first few months in Madrid he was underwhelming until late in the 02 cl before he started showing that a top class footballer is needed in key moments not against Charlton atletic

I'm ok with boatank reeling out 9 in world cup final and 3 vs Rostov compared to Terry who reels out 7 vs hull city but 4 in cl finals and 0 in big national team games

It was vs a young German team in South Africa

Terrys last world cup game

"John Terry 4
Culpable, like Upson, for the first goal. His full-blooded but increasingly static style was no match for the quick feet around him."

"Terry- 4: Completely misjudged the long ball that led to Klose's goal and after a brilliant display against Slovenia he ended his tournament as a flop along with several of his team-mates."

"John Terry: 4/10
Caught out of position and misjudged the ball for Germany’s opener. Shared Upson’s inability to shackle Klose. Time is catching up with him."

"John Terry
Was pulled apart by Germany's forwards and lightning counter attacks. It has been a turbulent World Cup for Terry and struggled to command his defence."

I have a feeling this is develop into a never ending back and forth roundabout however I don't have Airmark kind of energy. One quick question though. Where would you rate the likes of Lucio, Ramos and Pique in comparison to Jerome and John? They all also have CL and Worldcup Medals in their trophy room.

raumdeuter:
How is JT a better player than Boateng? As at 3yrs ago Boateng was already a better player than JT was ever in his career. His exploits in the big game finals are evidence all of which we cant see for JT

When will JT give half of Boatanks performance in a CL or world cup final

One word my man "Consistency". If He was churning out 7/10 performances week in week out instead of His usual 9/10 one week 3/10 the following week, we won''t be having this debate. The Talent and Ability is clearly there

fredoooooo:
Your fingers ehn

FREDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY G . Where have you been hiding?

Nah true nah. The only people that consider the TANK to be the better player are A40 and Dayo.

raumdeuter:
Anyway you choose to see it, Boatank has the CL final and World cup final performance somethign Terry will never have when he is getting sodomized by Shabani Nonda and anyone who cared

Dayo just accept JT is better than BoaTank. Boa might eventually become the better player when all is said and done however as of now, JT is regarded by most as the superior player.

Abi are you confusing Boa with Thuram?

Nihilist:
That's only because Afrobeats music is reigning now. 10-15 years ago, naija people here in the UK always used to deny their heritage. You'll be hearing someone called Wasiu Adelabu claiming that he's from St Lucia or Chinwe Ogadi saying that her mom is from St Kitts. These days its the Caribs who are trying to be Naijamans.

Loooooooooooooooool IF U KNOW, YOU KNOW.

raumdeuter:
I am republican and I didnt support Trump but I must tell you Democrats had it coming

Tell me how an overwhelming vote for Obama 4yrs ago suddenly became a landslide for Republicans. And make we no lie increse in taxes, Universal healthcare are not going to be favoured by many including me.

The thing that affects me most is my money. The govt wants everyone insured, yes more than Half cant pay for it, So the half who can pay have their premium through the roof to cater for people who cant

That only means the people who voted a Black man 4yrs ago all flipped and voted. The Liberal were so arrogant and smug

To be honest Democrats own sef too much, Every thing now na Liberal policies, Currently we are debating if bathrooms should be unisex. I mean a person like Pataki on Tuesday can decide he is male go into a male bathroom and 2hrs later get in touch with his feminine side and become female and go into a female bathroom. Will you be comfortable having your daughter share a bathroom with a female Pataki?

Nowadays almost everything is about Political correctness. You cant even say anything nowdays without people getting offended. People cant even say "Merry Xmas" anymore it is now "Happy Holidays" just in a bid to pander to non Xtians. America keeps nending to accomodate some peoples ideology who dont give a fuucck about them.

Even look at the way Obama wants war on terror to be conducted, You as a soldier on the front, face a guy who killed people and want to kill you, You capture him but you have to read him his right? the same right he never accorded you a few seconds ago?

And its foolish to think some peoples fears are unfounded. Especially on the issue of immigration for Hispanics and Arabs

Absolutely Agree. The Democrats were neither Here or there. At least with Trump as bad as He is being potrayed, You knew were He stood.

Nihilist:
Bruh....I just weak for Americans.

Brexit was the start. Marine Le Pen has got next.

I would pay to watch Trump grab a trio of May, Merkel and Le Pen by the collective pussy like Scorpion.

Trump was really smart. He knew what the American public wanted to hear and He quite happily shoved it down their throats. You will be surprised that quite a lot of these so called 'Minority Groups' voted for Trump secretly.

The American are quite rightly concerned about the issues they are facing at home. Immigration, lack of jobs et al. They wanted that sorted out before anything else. Having said it that, Do I believe Trump is the answer? No. And neither is Hilary.

Nihilist:
Bro never underestimate the stupidity of American people.

SouthPark are running a blow by blow commentary of the current political climate in their latest season. If you're into that kind of show, you should check it out. It's one of their best seasons yet.

Tbh I think the American people are simply just tired. The working class people most especially. Plus Trump tapped into people's fears and worries.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Anyone that says this thread should be shut down will have me to answer to. Which other thread do you have this sort of madness going on? One minute Airmark and Dayo are going all out ball's deep, the next you have A40 and Pataki at each other's throat. Long may it continue abeg

Eruditor:
No they won't. They would lose to OKC 4-2 at the WCSFs. You see, Pop doesn't defecate Gold.

I wonder why people's metrics for judging the warriors changes at conveniences? If the Warriors had won that same game by the same margin, the same people will turn around and say it is just the regular season.

Pop doesn't defecate Gold but He is a much better coach than Kerr would be in 2 lifetimes. If they had Kerr as coach, they'll be raining two times NBA Champions.

Nah No reason to change my opinions on the warriors. They'll still breeze through most games in the regular season even with me as Head coach. They simply got outplayed by a better coached team not necessarily a superior team.

There are only two Humans that will stop Golden State being crowned champions next year.

1)Lebron James
2) Spurs- To be Precise Pop.

If the warriors had Pop as their Head Coach, they'll walk the League

A40:
What did you expect 40something year old Schumacher to do with car that was not even the fastest on the grid?

Guy if them give me and you that car we would win Championships.

That car is the fastest on the grid and it is not even close. 55 races and only thrice has Pole Position not gone to the Mercs. Shuu

I don't recall having an opinion on Hamilton's exit but assuming I did, The evidence of his having the comically fastest car is overwhelming. If he wasn't at Mercedes Rosberg would be double world champion

The same can be said for many F1 driver championships tbh. Give my 6 year old niece the ferrari Schumi had and she would win at last 5 driver's title. Same with the Car Vettel was working with at RedBull

sinizia:
I agree with this. This to me, is Pep's greatest undoing. He made this mistake against Barca with Bayern. At one man down, he refused to lock up. He'd learn how to defend in such occasions though. There's no need to attack Barca when numerically disadvantaged.

That's the point I have been making all day. Doesn't necessarily has to be 'park the bus'. Pep is a genius as far as the beautiful game is concerned. He just needs to add that to his repertoire.

nateevs:
Perhaps if he thinks like that, Barcelona won't be what they are now. That idea has carried them through almost a decade now.

What's to say he cannot re-create it?

If he can, then it begins with an absolute conviction in a philosophy. You don't park the bus no matter what. You pass the ball.

Once you understand this, you know the loss means nothing in the course of history.

Fair point. However that Barca team was set up perfectly for him to achieve that style of footy. Plus He knew the ins and outs of Barca like the back of his hand.

I'll be the first to put my hands up and admit I was wrong If He does manage to recreate it.

You keep using the term "pack the bus" and I keep saying it doesn't necessarily has to be that. Make them harder to break down is all I ask.

raumdeuter:
The reason Pep is the most sought after coach is because of his style of play, City owners didnt get him to park the bus, they got him to help them play and win like Barcelona

I am sure you have heard of coaches winning ugly and getting into trouble with their owners.

I am not necessarily advocating 'park the bus'. However I am all for making them hard to beat. He simply can't recreate what He did with Barca with other teams. Different players i'm afraid.

Let City win the CL first, then tell me the owners will be bothered about the way they went about doing that.

raumdeuter:
What happened after that? Abi the Mourinho that has learnt to switch his tactics can barely get to CL semi finals anymore, not even quarters not even make top 4. and currently sitting 5th in the same league they started on the same day

Those same tactics got Him two CL as the underdog. Not saying Jose is perfect. As you know I am firmly in the Pep camp however He needs to change his tactics once in a blue moon. 2-3 games a season is not a lot to ask. He would have gotten Bayern to at least one Finals had He done that.