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raumdeuter:
Is Zidane one of the stars of France 1998? If yes list the games he turned up for??

Boateng is yet to consistently perform at a high level yet he is the current Bundelsiga player of the year, He is the only consistent player in the German defence from 2010 world cup to Euro 2016. He is one of the consistent Bayern defenders from 2012 when he came till now

Yes He was. He had a Good Tourney not a Great one. He was pretty good vs SA. Until The sending off, good vs the saudis. He had a pretty decent game against Italy. He was probably the only shinning star(attack wise)in an other wise cagey affair. And superb vs Brazil.

I totally agree He was superb this past year. I named Him in my top 5 defenders. If He plays anywhere close to this level over the next few years then we can start having this discussion. Being one of Bayern's most consistent is different from being one of the world's most consistent.

raumdeuter:
I always have an excellent point and I have remained consistent in my argument unlike ibime who will shamelessly claim awards are all that matter for Terry, but for Iniesta awards no longer matter

In Sport the big occasions is what counts like I posted earlier

Who cares if Portugal didnt win any group game at the last Euro? They qualified with 3 points behind Hungary and Iceland, they were one of the worst teams of the group stages. Now, If they are listing the team of the last Euro Portugal will be mentioned

Who cared if Zidane got a red in the group stage of France 98 and missed 2 games. If we are to list the star players of France 98 group stage Zidane wont even be top 20. Yet When the heroes of that world cup are named. Zidane will top that list for what he did in the final stages not the heroes of the group stage

Who cared if Ronaldo Lima never did anything in 2002 aside dominating the world cup, the story of soccer in 2002 will not be told without Ronaldo

Do you care if Canavarro was dribbled hopelessly by some nameless striker from Granada or Zaragoza when he beasted the world cup final winning it for his country

Who cared if Vidic was dribbled by Lucas Moura in an inconsequential game or that Nesta was dragged on the floor by Marco fucckinng Delvecchio. When they have performed in bigger and more consequential games even finals

I have seen Thuram been dragged around by nameless players several times

If someone come to you and tell you But Portugal didnt win a group game, finished behind Iceland and Hungary, But Zidane flopped in France 98 group games, But Ronaldo Lima didnt play any part in football before the 2002 world cup, Canavaro was dribbled by some player from Alavaes, But Vidic was dribbled paralyzed by Lucas Moura but Nesta was disgraced by Delvecchio

You probably will tell them who cares?

Small games barely count its the big games where you know the chairmen of football thats where you see the fake players like Terry disappearing and real chairmen like Iniesta Boatank and Thuram showing up

I can't deny that you always have maintained the "'Big Game" is the be all and end all stance. However I wholly disagree. I believe it's all about consistency.

All of those players you mentioned have performed at a very high level over a period of time. It's not like they were average the majority of the time and suddenly turn it on once in a blue moon. The likes of Terry,Rio, Cannavaro,Thuram have consistently performed at a very high level something Boateng is yet to do. However what separates a Thuram from a Rio is the ability to perform in the big games. Boateng for example has to show He has the ability to perform at a consistently high level over a period of time. If He does, i'll happily rate Him over Terry.

As I said already If all those aforementioned did was turn up once a year, they won't be regarded highly. If all Zidane or O fenomeno did was score two goals a piece in WC Finals they won't be regarded as greats of the game. Now those performances might have been their crowning glories however they backed it up with years of high quality performances before and after those games.

If it was about BigGames alone the likes of Wiltord,Ricken,Gotze,Carlos Alberto(porto) would be highly regarded. Alas they are not.

raumdeuter:
Thats why you should pay more attention.
I never put awards forwards. For Iniesta its his performance in big games like world cup final, CL finals etc where he was MOTM

My own criteria has always been constant, Perform in big games. Its worms like ibime who say awards matter for Terry they dont for Iniesta

Funnily enough You have an excellent point. Big match performances should always count for more. However it's your total disregard for a player's performance in other so called "Small games" that makes you partially wrong. The greats of the game have had a period of time where their performances have been consistently good. However what separates them from another run of the mill good player is their as you call it "Big game Peformances".

It is for this exact reason i'll pick a Thuram(consistently good over a period of time+ big match performances) over a Terry. And likewise Terry over Boateng who is yet to show consistency over a period of time. Also Not that I agree with Ibime on Iniesta btw. Never seen Him as an AM tbh.

raumdeuter:
Ibime has a history of being smart before he became fat,

*still shaking my head*

Nihilist:
Na so you hate the word 'Oscar' reach Ibime?

Hahahahaha dudeeeee u too dey read person mind. I was thinking which artist released "The Shawshank Redemption"

homesteady:
You are the only person(I don't count those dogs following you upandan as people)

Woowzers!...Can we have names please?

raumdeuter:
Those odd games are the games that matter the CL final, the world cup final not the game vs Charlton Atletic and Real oviedo

But(a big but) Terry did not just perform vs your charlton athletics of this world. He also played well in the worldcup and champions league.

Dayo stop watching John CHERRY and start John TERRY.

raumdeuter:
We can talk about Iniesta and the major finals he impacted winning MOTM in them, Tell us about the major finals Terry impacted I mean positive impact not throwing away the trophy or how his team actually wins when Terry is off the field

I'd rather talk about His awards which shows He had a full season of dominance rather than the odd game here and there.

Ibime:
Iniesta was not any close 2nd.

Xavi was way above him in that tournament, as well as Xabi Alonso.

Check the QF vs France to see Alonsos contribution, and the final to see Xavis.

We saw Pirlos contribution in the semi against Germany.

Ask them to show you Iniestas contribution, they will tell you to watch some dribbles.

I think He along with Pirlo had the most MOTM awards in the tournament so He must have done some good things to get the nod three times. I'll watch the games again though just for good measure.

raumdeuter:
You were the one telling us Iniesta didnt deserve an award he won, despite being EUro winner and MOTM in the final, So will you extend the same judgment to John useless Terry who was one of the flops of the final he played

Well Imo Pirlo had the better tournament with Iniesta a very close second. However I have no problem with Iniesta being given the award. No let"s talk about Terry and his awards. Feel free to list them and tell me which ones were not deserved.

raumdeuter:
You were able to tell us the awards Iniesta didnt deserve, then you should be able to tell us the awards terry didnt deserve too

Deserved or not He still won the award didn't He? Now let's talk about Terry's List of awards

raumdeuter:
Now tell us what are the awards Terry should have won?

I'd rather talk about the ones He actually DID win.

homesteady:
A page from UEFA 2012 technical report!

So this is what I should disregard because one drunkard said something else?

That's probably the only award I think Iniesta shouldn't have won. I would have given to Pirlo instead. Imo He had the better tournament. Then again that might be the Fanboy in me speaking

bykebyke:
Nope,Garcia implemented his own blueprint, If Enrique had a blueprint he wouldn't have resigned shamefully.

You think it's beans to come Serie A runner up two times in a row?

Don't mind Him making up things. Just because most people on this forum don't follow Serie A does not mean He can starting spewing gibberish.

Had Enrique not resigned, He would have been sacked.

jpmoriarti:
Fast attacking football, incisive passes from the deep. A generally adaptive team who can do different stuffs and assume dynamic shape as the qualities of the opponent demands. This is not easy to achieve.

What a load of tosh!. It was Spaletti during His first spell with Roma that brought that style of play to the team. Stop making things up

Nasri's account was hacked

A40:
Them no fast reach Fu-schnickens,TecN9ne or Twista na. Those ones na the real speedknot mobstas

Of course na Ghetts sing Dun Kno already. That's my jam.

Our girls are finer, but their girls are freakier. Ghana and especially Cameroon girls. Those ones I pour pieces for them. Them be irunmole

True dat sha but D Double E is something else sha.

Yh Him kwareckt pikin!. Facially absolutely but not body wise. They've got back for days. Along with those southern african ladies. And straffing no dey tire dem

A40:
Lmaoo una dey wind me ni? You and chic2pimp. I dey jam Wiley, Kano, Sway, Skepta, Giggs since what year. Most of last year na Bugzy Malone I dey bump

My GGGG..... Dropping names like no man's business . Do you understand what they are saying though? Well atleast those dudes rap clearly. You should try "Ghetts" or better still " D Double E"

Nihilist:
Especially someone like sway that fell off almost a decade ago.

I'm beginning to suspect that this A40 boy is a Ghanaian impostor that has infiltrated Nairaland. He calls everybody Chale, keeps hyping Boastank, and knows who Sway is.

I wonder if he can be scared by flashing him a ghana most go bag.

Bruhhhh ...

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then....... . If A40 is ghanian then Bros Abeg link your boy up with them chicas. Their bodies are always on fleek.

Nihilist:
I give you props for knowing who Sway is

Loool was just about to say when did A40 start following the UK grime scene.

Nihilist:
See Luiz there Tori Olorun

No be calamity Luiz again? The surprise would be if it had been any other defender but David Luiz

airmark:
The team had a well-oiled attack, comprising of ribery, muller and robben killing opposition for free upfront. Neuer was there to save boathand azz everytime. I had posted many videos where Neuer saved boathands own goals and penalties he caused. Those ones neuer didnt find answers to, their attackers rose to the occasion and erase any memory of boathand's effect. Now ribery and robben are not as effective like they were in the past. Thats why rostov got away with that win off boathand's stvpid defending.

Let me remind you that we are talking about Jupp's Bayern here not Pep's. These dudes had more defending to do as opposed to Pep's who simply dominated possesion. If Boateng is half as bad as you say He is why does the Bayern management still insist on playing Him? It's not like filthy rich Bayern are suddenly broke is it?I'm sure they can get 3 or so above average defenders to replace it, No?. I'd also put the blame of 4-0, 5-0 thrashing on Pep. If a coach sends his team out with the wrong formation, you are simply asking for trouble. I, as a Milan Fan knows that first hand. I remember vividly getting absolutely spanked at the riazor with Nesta and Maldini at the heart of defence. And no one in their right mind will call those 2 aforementioned players mediocre.

airmark:
Yes burnthisleaguedown is full of epl loanees/tired legs. There's a reason hector lamented few days ago, that in germany, players fall easily like boneless beings. Can you name one world class defender from that burnthisleaguedown, apart from those in bayern and dortmund that you can buy into your team? We fell for baba rahman, we quickly offloaded him back to the league on loan. Why wont they celebrate boathand , a mediocre as the best thing from that clime? Was boathand not fully fit when he raised his two hands to stop an up ball at euros? Was he not fit when hazard froze him like mavros, when oscar massacred him, when messi buried him, when martinez undressed him? Earlier this season ajakaja40 and his master were bragging that the mumu was back to his best, not knowing the likes of griezzman and azzmoun were lurking around the corner to put the final nail on his coffin. He defends like an amateur, carrying all his body to defend without plan b and gets smacked down by juveniles and vets. Luiz so far has been doing well and has improved unless you haven't been following him this term. 9 out of 10 big coaches will prefer luiz to a crashing boathand. Bayern's exploit in europe has been helpful to the league's high rating. While mou and wenger are crying, cos of tight end of the year schedule, the german league is on a month break. Tell me why wont bayern be refreshed for ucl when it resumes? Ancelotti didn't make below comment for fun. His problem is ucl, where the likes of messi, neymar, griezmann are waiting to feast on boathand.

Worldclass is a strong word. Tbh there are nowhere near enough quality central defenders in league football these days. Let's use the EPL for example, you can count on one hand the number of worldclass defenders there.
Chelsea- Zilch
Liverpool- Nada
City- Odo
Arsenal- For where.

As you can see it's not just the Nazi's League alone that lacks strength in depth in that department. As I said already,no defender is immune from making mistakes. The same Euros He made that mistake was the same one He was voted into the Team of the tournament. I too can also make gifs of Thuram or Baresi making mistakes and say hey look at these atrocious defenders. It's not that hard hence why youtube can make even the worse of actors look like oscar worthy winners.

Think I and dayo already had that argument about the
EPL being the most physically demanding league in the world and I stand by that but let's not pretend Hitler's League is the only one with a winter break. All the top leagues have it. Which UCL? The one that He played back to back finals in?

Ibime:
The contribution of the others is more than the contribution of Boateng.

Boatengs contribution has been 5-0 hammerings every UCL semifinal and turning into headless chicken that can't organise one iota of defence. He is a field nigga, not a House nigga to use colourful analogy. Field nigga is the one who does all the running and physical work eg Kolo Toure while house nigga is the one who organises where his teammates should position themselves eg Sol Campbell.

BoaDUMB is a field nigga. A real stupid modaphucka.

Whether the contribution of others was more than Jerome's is not being disputed here. However we can not deny that He played Key roles in winning titles for two of the biggest institutions in world footy. Lucky? I think not.

5-0 hammering you say. How about Him being part of the defence that got to back to back CL Finals? Does that not count? Tbh i'd happily take a Field Ni@$a that puts up good peformances over a house N@$a that does not.

pkasso:
Have you actually taken time out to watch Luiz this season rather than relying on what some people say? He has been the best CB in the EPL by a mile. Even Ramuzaki sef no fit talk.

You know a player is shyte when the CEO of his club decides to criticize him in the public.

http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKBN0DJ0G420140503

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3967538/Bayern-Munich-chief-Karl-Heinz-Rummenigge-says-good-Jerome-Boateng-came-earth-bit-poor-display.html


That's why I like Kalle, the guy no dey send.

I have actually watched Luiz quite a few times this season. He has been pretty decent this season I admit but I am still not buying the hype. It's no coincidence his game improved as soon as chelsea switched from a back two to a back three. It will take more than a few games to convince me calamity luiz is a better defender.

airmark:
Boathand could be the best defender in burnthisleaguedown when it was full of djilobodji types of defenders, no p. Extending the dragnet to the world is a no no for me. Tell me if boathand is better than fully fit chielini, bonnucci, godin, ramos and pique? A fully fit hummels is a god to boathand. Technically speaking, currently i prefer koulibaly to him. I was one of those who believed conte would talk to luiz and work on him to bring out his best. Under mou, luiz was worst than boathand in positional football because mou would rather bench a player than to talk to him and work on him. David luiz this season is better than whatever boathand was at his peak. Boathand against top attackers most of the time got exposed. Thats why dayo mostly refers to few matches he played slightly above average. Against aguero, oscar, messi, martinez, shane long, neymar and co he was found out. Dont get me wrong, these guys can score any defender, but the ways they scored those goals were due to poor defending by boathand. This is how we rate defenders, not when you are playing against tired legs like kalou that full burnthisleaguedown.

Hahaha nah Bundesliga you dey refer to as filled with "Djilobodji" type defenders? . Perharps when all is said and done they'll be seen as superior defenders to Boateng. However going by their performances this year, no way do they all rank above Boateng. Plus When you say you prefer Koulabaly to Him then I think you are severly underrating Boateng.

I'm still not buying the Luiz thingy. At least With Bonucci,Godin,Pique et al there is a debate to be had. Not with flipping Calamity Luiz though. You know what, Let's see how they compare once Boateng gets back to fully fitness. I'll be the first to put my hands up If I am proven wrong. Loool Hitler's league has suffered sha. . That league you say is filled up with washed up talents is actually one of the top 3 leagues shey u know?

Ibime:
He has not come to Pepe, Ramos, Bonucci, Chiellini, Barzagli etc. If not for injury this season, I would put Jose Gimenez ahead sef.

If We were to judge by their performances for both club and country, then Pepe is the only one you can say had a better year (key member of 2 winning teams)with Bonucci not far behind. No way does Boateng not make top 5.

airmark:
That's how useless alago is. Experts look at present individual brilliance in a team. If you are a great player playing for hearts of oaks, sound coach of a big team will notice you.

As you can see He has had a stop start season thus far. Let's judge Him when He is fully recovered from His various nagging injuries.

airmark:
No, he is not among top 3 in the world this year. There are some school boy's errors, you are not expected to make as a top class defender. Players make mistakes but when you are known for those blunders even your team mates will have reservations about your quality. You cant be doing flip-flop and think, experts will look over your silly mistakes. No my bro. A defender who hasn't learnt how to stand firm when sold a dummy, only to be crashing on the turf, is a zombie defender. He should be at his peak at 28, yet he is playing like a rookie. Getting destroyed by china-bound players all the time.

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Nah Bro I disagree. No one is saying Boateng will go down as one of the greatest ever defenders but let's not kid ourselves He was stellar this year. No one player is immune from making mistakes. The great Cannavaro made a few when we signed for Real. Ramos as good as He is is a red card waiting to happen yet we can't deny that they are quality defenders. Sure He might not have the resume of a John Terry but abeg let's give credit to whom it is due. Even If I were to begrudgingly agree that He is not top 3, at worst He is Top 5.

pkasso:
Boateng has just one good summer and he's suddenly world-class. Abegi. We've all seen with our korokoro eyes how he has performed this season. David Luiz alone shits on him.

Nah Boateng has actually been consistent for 2-3 seasons now. It's just that you guys magnify His mistakes. I am simply not buying the argument Boateng is not one of the world's finest. Calamity Luiz? If you had said Ramos or Godin then Yes not flipping Luiz.

airmark:
Are you sure you have been watching full matches of these guys this season? You said currently boathand was one of the best 3 in the world. Those i listed have been a handful this season, boathand has been a flop so far. Hummels is the best cb in that useless burnthisleaguedown, david luiz has led a defence on an impressive clean sheet. How did you arrive at 'currently'?

May I worded it wrongly seeing as Boateng has only played a handful of matches this season so i'll say this year. Also is it not the same Luiz a couple of guys on the chelsea thread keep on slaughtering?

airmark:
Currently, i put David luiz, Tiago silva, Godin, hummels, Van dijk above that calamitous ghanaian.

David Luiz and Van Dijk bawo? Abeg comot those two from your list. Thiago Silva and Godin I'll give you. Hummels a couple of years or so back "Yes" definitely not right now.

airmark:
Even in burnthisleaguedown, currently he is not among top 5, let alone talking about the whole world. He has been horrible this season.

Are you telling me there are more than 5 defenders in the world better than Boateng? If Yes Name them