As much as I agree with the meme posted, there are atheist who are also bigots. Not as many though. Atheists may not see any evidence of a god but that doesn't preclude some of them from being bigots.

Dtruthspeaker:

you are headed yet to another trsin

What is a "trsin"? I've heard of trains but I've never heard of "trsins"!

Dtruthspeaker:


i have already had a sweet travel and back home with all the goodies I wanted in this life, so I am just sitting back with my binoculars watching you all sweating and dragging your bags of failures as you are headed yet to another trsin and another struggle.

Obviously, suffer is your name but it's your right to enjoy suffering, e no consain me!

Hahaha. In your dreams, honey....in your dreams

So far you have defended genocide, slavery, extortion, rape, baby murder, elderly killing, child stoning, bears mauling children to death, decapitation and all manner of atrocities in your fairytale book. Your hypocrisy is beyond the pale.

What was it that the physicist, Steven Weinberg said about religion after 9/12? Oh yeah. Here it is....

With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.

Like i said: Sitting at the bus stop, swearing at people, pretending to already have taken the bus. Still, we see you sitting and be the village idiot you are!

so I am just sitting back with my binoculars watching you all sweating and dragging your bags of failures

Take a good hard look at yourself, sugar. You're not holding binoculars. You're holding a king sized mirror! Hahahaha

Dtruthspeaker:


What a performance of trying to mix a car with ogbono soup all because you had nothing tangible to say! What a desperation!

Nothing was mixed up, dear. It's just that you were too dull to understand my previous post

Dtruthspeaker:


No different from refusing to travel with God is Good Motors. You have a right to use any of the other available options of travel eg "I hate God motors, or "I use my leg travel company" or "Juju Express" etc.

The real-eyeity is that which ever vehicle you choose for traveling this life is your own suffer or enjoyment story.

Na only Advice the Bible dey advice. No be by force say make you listen!

You seem to think that if you decide to take the train, then the bus driver is allowed to run you over......and over and over and over. The problem is: the city has no buses, at least no one has ever seen a bus, yet.

Nevertheless, we will still see you at the bus stop, waiting and waiting, and waiting.....while swearing at the people taking the train, like a true village idiot

Dtruthspeaker:


No different from refusing to travel with God is Good Motors. You have a right to use any of the other available options of travel eg "I hate God motors, or "I use my leg travel company" or "Juju Express" etc.

The real-eyeity is that which ever vehicle you choose for traveling this life is your own suffer or enjoyment story.

Na only Advice the Bible dey advice. No be by force say make you listen!

Fallacy of the false analogy, by YOUR OWN very words below!

But we all know that in the eye of criminals, Law and Just is, is unfair because criminals desire a state where they commit crimes and consume the fruits of their crimes yet no one punishing them for it, which is why they hate God and speak lies and everything evil against Him.

You're just too stupid to be real. I pity any fool that takes you serious...haha

Dtruthspeaker:


And I have proven that all these allegations made are either Lies or False Representations or circumstances which any and every reasonable person understands that actions are supposed to have their corresponding consequences in accordance with Law and Just-is.

But we all know that in the eye of criminals, Law and Just is, is unfair because criminals desire a state where they commit crimes and consume the fruits of their crimes yet no one punishing them for it, which is why they hate God and speak lies and everything evil against Him.

Read it and weep!

1 Samuel 6:19
But God struck down some of the men of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy of them to death because they had looked into the ark of the Lord. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the Lord had dealt them.

2 Samuel 6:2-7 (also 1 Chr 13:7-10)
He and all his men set out from Baalah of Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the Name, the name of the Lord Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim that are on the ark. They set the ark of God on a new cart and brought it from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab, were guiding the new cart with the ark of God on it, and Ahio was walking in front of it. David and the whole house of Israel were celebrating with all their might before the Lord , with songs and with harps, lyres, tambourines, sistrums and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The Lord's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the ark of God.

He tried to protect the arc, and was punished for it. Nice capricious deity you gots yourself. You just tell yourself any lie you want!

The only thing you've proven is that you have a very very poor command of English, and that you make assertions which are false and unsupported!
You claimed the Twelve tablets were the first human legal system, and you were 100% wrong. Did you have the integrity to stand corrected? No.

Your pride cometh before your fall. You made all kinds of judgements, which you were told not to do. You tell yourself you are a Christian but you are not. You're nothing but a pathetic ignorant liar and hypocrite!

Dtruthspeaker:


Back up is not given to things that are commonly seen and known, even if you ignore that knowledge.



As I have always said, atheists are blind and almost never see what is in front of them, especially criminal atheists

What a bunch of rubbish!

You've been so indoctrinated and brainwashed in religious dogma and threats of hell that you can't even see the horrors of what you believe. It's astonishing!!
We have all shown you example after example of biblical genocide, rape, god sanctioned slavery, child murder, god's ethnic cleansing rampages and religious extortion and you blindly wave it aside because it's threatens your worldview just a little too much!

Keep sweeping it under the rug, honey, where it's safe from your thoughts because its the only possible way you can keep believing this crap.
Wow! You fell out of the tree of life and hit all the branches on the way down. Hahaha!

You don't deserve anybody's time. You bald faced liar!

Dtruthspeaker:

But we all know that in the eye of criminals, Law and Just is, is unfair because criminals desire a state where they commit crimes and consume the fruits of their crimes yet no one punishing them for it, which is why they hate God and speak lies and everything evil against Him.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, you have the argument of: "God is good, you are evil. Stfu!". This time without any further backup. He not even tried to argue why his good is good. Just some baseless claims.

As i predicted, he didnt even try to rehabilitate his gods untenable position. His approach is to tear the opponents position down, by poisoning the well. No attempt of rational discourse, just baseless claims.
How very pathetic!

chryssanthe:
The two arguments for 1) human morality vs god morality i recall are:

#1 God is, per definition, good.
Their argument is based on the assumption that he is ultimately perfect. A perfect thing cant be wrong, and thats the argument to shut down any further discussion.
Of course the creator of everything could something else but all-benevolent, but i think many (Abrahamic) theists are fully aware of the problems with their gods morality and actions (genocide, rape, incest, death for collecting sticks on the wrong day, etc), and the impossibility to defend any of this, thus the extension from all powerful to benevolent. Of course its only a variation of #2

The two arguments for 1) human morality vs god morality i recall are:

#1 God is, per definition, good.
Their argument is based on the assumption that he is ultimately perfect. A perfect thing cant be wrong, and thats the argument to shut down any further discussion.
Of course the creator of everything could something else but all-benevolent, but i think many (Abrahamic) theists are fully aware of the problems with their gods morality and actions (genocide, rape, incest, death for collecting sticks on the wrong day, etc), and the impossibility to defend any of this, thus the extension from all powerful to benevolent. Of course its only a variation of #2

#2 Might makes right
He created everything, thus he can do what he wants, aka. "right or wrong does not matter". The base problem being the same: How to defend the indefensible? Claim it does not need to be defended at all.

Both arguments are intended to shut down any conversation, not to have one.

2) Objective morals
Many theists i have seen, just like the clowns who saturate this forum, are simply uninformed about the meaning of objective.
They know/sense that "objective" is something that can hardly be attacked (aka. another shutdown argument), but conflate their gods absolute morality with this. "God says so" is not objective, without a reason why he says so. Dont ask me why. Probably some snake oil sales men sold it to them. But as i understand it all boils down to 1): He is right. Dont ask, period. The abrahamic religions are imho extremely authoritarian, and its no wonder that authoritarianism was for so long the form of secular governance, until secularisation and separation of state and religion.
Still there is a problem with that. On one hand their god makes proclamation about absolute morals (thou shalt not kill) and then proceeds to commit genocide.

But i am a mere amateur on these issues. Others may be better to discuss that with you. I am not someone very deep into philosophy and ethics. At least not for the in depth discussions (they make my head spin tbh)

FemiAjani:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmVkJvieaOA

Thank you for this video!

I think this completely encompasses what Dtruthspeaker is all about.

He probably started out as an honest Christian when discussing with irreligionists. But after he was so thoroughly and embarrassingly informed about his ignorance (objective/subjective/absolute morality, ancient law, slavery in the bible) he probably resorted to pure shitposting!

He is flinging shit at the wall, not in the hope that anything will stick, but in a pathetic attempt to obfuscate the shit he brought to the table at the start of the conversation!
I am convinced he really thought he is following some objective morals, that he simply can not be wrong. Probably a result of religious programming and/or a bubble he is living in. Must have been a rough awakening when he was reminded that he is confused about the basic terms of ethics, that he is just blindly following orders, of someone he cant even demonstrate to exist!!


I bet he really thought that the bible didnt advocate for slavery, just because his favourite KJV flavour didnt use the word "slave". Like many Christians he didnt really read his bible.
When confronted with what the bible actually says, it was game over for him.

There is no intellectual honest way to get around this (but maybe to embrace it. I wonder why so few online christians are happily embracing the orders of their master. But probably they would quickly realize, from the depths of their mind, how much better they are than their ficticous master, and that would push the seed of doubt just one lever deeper. So yeah, why not be dishonest right from the start, after being shown to be false, instead of dragging it out).

21 Pages and he still could not agree with us that owning another human being as property is immoral.
21 pages and he still cant tell us the difference between what the god of the bible condones purpotedly is and slavery
21 pages and no admission that he was factually and demonstrably wrong about objective morality

Instead what we get right now is a ton of shitposting and blatant lying!

I mean: When you get confronted with your own quotes, showing how you just lied your ass of, when you get the shit you posted rubbed up your nose, why return just to be embarrassed and humiliated more!?

Equivocating slavery and modern day employment? Really?

Telling us how immoral we are while telling us how "beautiful" his gods commandmends about slavery are!?

Trying to rehabilitate beating slaves to death, by pulling quote out of your ass, related to something entirely different!?

Latin name-dropping!?

This is beyond kindergarden level. This man would be laughed out of every kindergarden....and probably, the kids would fling back some poo at him.

To any Christian reading this thread, please this is my advice:

Dont lie your ass of like Dtruthspeaker. If you have bad arguments, go back to the drawing board and look for solutions. If you cant refute stuff like slavery, embrace it!!

Read your bible, espcially the parts you dont like, and decide how you want to deal with that. Dont stick your head in the sand!

Ultimately, reach down into the depths of your mind, and figure out why it is that you seem to be so much better than your own god. If the price for your belief is to give up your humanity, and become a homohobic piece of shit like Endtimer or a blatantly dishonest and ignorant troll like Dtruthspeaker, then please think twice!!!

Dtruthspeaker:


Change of Post!, I did not ask about working late

I asked

when a bank or company you work for says you should come in to work at 7:30 and you cannot leave earlier than 4 without their permission, have they not possessed you during those hours?

Are you not their slave for those hours?

Are you free during those hours?



And I showed that it is not slavery but Contract for work and services (Labour Law) which you do and everyone does

But shall it be a good relationship or evil relationship? That is for you wicked and evil people to decide.

Now I understand why a lot of evil things happen to you people. You all are very evil whether a master oh or a servant. You all are very evil.

See and Exodus 20: 21. "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result; but they (the slave owner) are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave in their property."

Gee wiz, that so nice for the slave. Big woop.

So if you, Dtruthspeaker*, were my slave - my property, according to Biblical laws I could cut up your arms and legs with a knife and torture you, not so badly that you would die but bad enough that you would go through a shit load of suffering. As long as you didn't die I wouldn't have to face any punished. No attempted murder charges, no assult and battery charges like we have today in our court system. Nothing would happen to me after torturing you.

THIS IS WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAYS. IF YOU FIND THIS MORAL, THEN YOU ARE A CREEP

*I'm finding it hard to call you "truthspeaker", after all the shameless lies you've been caught telling on this thread! Jesus will be proud for sure!

Dtruthspeaker:


You mean when the employee escapes his captivity, if he escapes it. A Slave too can also sue

And always has a right to sue as soon as he is free. It is his inalienable natural right

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/05/usa.duncancampbell&ved=2ahUKEwjrqJn_gcX6AhWNR_EDHWQABFwQFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw25RX_obSWsc001GqZ_Z4ol



Every one sees that the beginning says "And if a man beats". But I guess devil's are not capable of seeing whole sentences.

No sweety pie, you claim your bible is a moral book. I and others have pointed out that it is not and that morals have changed. Now you're sidestepping the issue by trying to claim modern employment as a form of slavery!
This is "whataboutism" and the typical Galloping Gish christian method of arguing by deflecting the subject away from the original topic. "Oh look over there....squirrel!"

It doesn't work this way, buddy. Modern employment is not slavery and we've ALL pointed out to you the difference, but now you're invoking magical devils to cast the blame on or using other nonsense to try for more diversions.

What this is really about is that YOU ARE NOW SO INVESTED IN YOUR ARGUMENT THAT YOU WON'T ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG!! This is the classic Sunk Cost Fallacy: You've gone down this sink hole so far you can't dig your way out or admit you goofed! It's quite laughable!!

Morals have changed over millenium. Women are no loger chattel as they were in the Bible. Children are not stoned to death for disobedience. Rape is against the law whereas it was acceptable in the Bible.

If your god were actually a real being he'd be brought to trial for crimes against humanity, condoning slavery and wife beating, child stoning and rape and the massive ethnic genocide he instigated. He would be convicted and spend thousands of consecutive years in prison!

Dtruthspeaker:


And when an employer deprives an employee his salary and rather raises up guards to prevent the employee from freely leaving, has slavery not commenced, evil one?



And miss Satan, the Bible said "and if a man best"

It did not say "beat a servant" but of course evils like you see it this way after all it is you devils who do it.

The difference between an employee who has been stiffed by his employer and a slave is that an employee can take legal action against the employer. A slave has no rights whatsoever and can seek no legal council.

You're right! It does not say you can "beat a servant", instead it says you can "beat their male or female SLAVE"...."

Exodus 21:20-21


New International Version




20 “Anyone who ----> beats <------ their male or female ----->slave<------ with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

So if you were my slave I could beat the hell out of you and as long as you didn't die in a couple of days I'd get off scott free!
Yeah, your bible truly is an evil piece of shit book and it was written by men who kept slaves as was the customs of the times!
That's why slavery is in the Bible!

midnight378:


Then it's a crime, but it's not slavery. The employee can walk out any time he/she wants.

And there's also something called industrial action.
Union membership is a big thing apparently.

Dtruthspeaker:


Says idiots who never knew the difference between legal and law and that legal is not Law.

The definition of legal is that which is related to law. If something is a legal matter is is something related to law. If you understand the law then you understand what is legal. They are interrelated!

This STILL doesn't help make your Bible moral. It's full of horrific ethnic genocide!

Dtruthspeaker:


Immaterial! As long as you are raising the issue from a publicly known document generally called the Bible which has both the good and bad one.



I deny what you and your bible said



Every one of us have a house where a certain houseboy/housegirl has been serving the owner of the house and his family and even the children of the servant continue in it. And all visitors thought that they were family members for they were treated very well, as God Commanded

So, nothing here.



Because you atheist are void of good (morals) you can not see good. Which is why you do not see that Exodus 21 is the same normal contract of domestic service we all have today. A houseboy comes in alone and goes out alone. If he marries in the house, then he and his wife go out etc

But as you people are void of morals, you can not see this is the very we all do, whether the Bible said so or not!



From the beginning I did say Labour Law.



See your evil mind? Isn't this devil speaking? Do we not say atheists are evil?



And yet you willingly offer yourself up to be possessed by another person like a property everyday even joyfully too eg by offering yourself to slave for NNPC, Chevron, Davido's house etc, never thinking for a microsecond that this was immoral.

Do you see now that your morality button does not work?

Oh.....I see your problem
Oh.....I get it now.
You don't know the difference between slavery and employment!


Slavery: The state of being owned by another person. There is no pay. You can be inherited by the children of your owner with no say-so in the matter. You cannot vote. Your children are also born into slavery and become the property of your owner. You have no legal autonomy. The Bible says I could beat you nearly to death without any consequences.

Employment: The state of being paid for your work. You are free to leave and seek other employment or work your way up the pay scale. In most democratic-republics you can vote. Often one goes to a university to major in a specific career to gain employment. You have autonomy. You are a free person.

midnight378:


Brilliant. Simply Brilliant.
"Men created laws".
No shit Sherlock. LMAO

The dates also prove you were WRONG about Roman laws being first.
LMAO
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Yes, and it wasnt even part of the Roman law. Its just a modern concept, cloaked in Latin, the language of law and medicine.
But why would Dtruthspeaker know any of that?
He is dumb as a pole, and a liar.

Dtruthspeaker:


I denied it and you saw I told you to blame your evil bible for that.

Stop bullshitting. I am an atheist. I have no bible.
So we are finished, you deny what the bible clearly and plainly states: That you can own another human being as property, and pass it down to your children.
You are a liar. Your god doesnt like liars!
Want to post your beloved KJV rules for slavery? ...you know the part where it says how "they shall be your possession" or "be your bondmen forever"? Have you even read your BS KJV bible? Or maybe Exodus 21, where is explains in painful detail how to enslave your fellow Hebrews, forever!?

Having denied that God did not command the doing of slavery, therefore the reasonable question is the good (moral) He was doing?

Do you english?

Answer: Providing Law to control and regulate the labour relationship.

Ah, now its not slavery, its a "labor relationship". Want to be my "employee", so i can beat the shit out of you and pass you down to my children, as condoned by your bible!?
So that i can have your children as sex slaves?

Why is it that your god could order "thou shalt not eat shellfish", but was impotent to say "dont own other human beings as property"?

You call paying off of debts owed in a contract immoral?

I call owning a human being as property immoral
You dont!
and you deny its in the Bible!!
That makes you not only a liar but an immoral thug!!!

That clearly proves how deficient your moral meter is!

I am not defending slavery, you are!
I am not denying my holy book condones it, you are!
But i have another meter, that just went crazy when i read your dishonest BS!
It's called an IRONY meter!!

As I said, your moral meter does not work else you would have seen how people are willingly offering themselves up to serve other human beings. No force or duress. Even joyfully!

You dont even know why you are an immoral thug, right? Just as you dont have the faintest clue about (objective) morality!!
What are you doing here, parading your ignorance and dishonesty around? Is that a kink of yours!?

The following is a partial list taken from Wikipedia's list of ancient legal codes in chronological order:

Code of Urukagina (2380–2360 BCE)
Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (c. 2050 BCE). Copies with slight variations found in Nippur, Sippar and Ur
Laws of Eshnunna (c. 1930 BCE)
Codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (c. 1870 BCE)
Babylonian law - Code of Hammurabi (c. 1750 BCE in middle chronology)
Hittite laws, also known as the 'Code of the Nesilim' (developed c. 1650–1500 BCE, in effect until c. 1100 BCE)
Law of Moses / Torah (10th–6th century BCE) - Halakha (Jewish religious law, including biblical law and later talmudic and rabbinic law, as well as customs and traditions)
Assyrian law, also known as the Middle Assyrian Laws (MAL) or the Code of the Assyrians/Assura (developed c. 1450–1250 BCE, oldest extant copy c. 1075 BCE)
Draconian constitution (late 7th century BCE)
Solonian Constitution (early 6th century BCE)
Gortyn code (5th century BCE)
Twelve Tables of Roman Law (451 BCE)

Dtruthspeaker, can you explain how 10 sets of laws that came hundreds of years BEFORE the Romans, were copied from the Romans, ehn!?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_legal_codes

There you have it: Endtimer and Dtruthspeaker...

Two morons who have no clue about basic terminology in the field of ethics (objective morality vs subjective morality)!
They dont even know what their own morality (their invisible friends´) is classified as*.
They cant even say "owning another human being as property is bad". Yet they smugly point out their overt racism, while claiming to have some sort of moral superiority over other cultures!

They think they can school us. On what? How to be a shitty human being? LOLOLOL! They have the chutzpah to tell us we are "borrowing" from their morality. If that were the case, if i had only part of their ignorance and bigotry, i would put a bullet through my temple. At least i wouldnt go to an online forum just to humiliate myself so embarrassingly like they did!!!

* Personally, i think their position is amoral. They are no moral actors at all. They have no moral compass of their own at all. They claim to follow the moral compass of someone else, a compass that hardly points toward a certain direction itself, as killing is bad while genocide is ordered nevertheless.

Dtruthspeaker:


Which Verse 17?

This one says "ye shall not oppress one another"; Leviticus 25:17

And this is not for Hebrews alone but for everyone in the land of Israel

Thats all you have to say!?

Still not decided if owning another human being as property is immoral, as well as passing it down to your children as inheritance and keeping it for life?
No explanation why you "forgot" to add Leviticus 25:44 to 43? "Forgot" that 43 only applies to Hebrews (and still you can trick them into permanent slavery!), and all other people can be enslaved?
Still no correction that only Hebrew slaves have to be set free after 7 years, and even they can be tricked into permanent slavery!?
Still think you had it bad with long working days, while your god would have allowed your aunt to beat you to death, as long as you survive the first three days? Still think this is "beautiful"?

What is your next excuse going to be, not having to embarrass yourself by actually responding to me!?

Dtruthspeaker:

I bet that Bible does not contain that He commands that every 7 years a person in bonds must be free and his debt (liability) cancelled.

That was a rule for Hebrew slaves only. And in verse 17, god tells you how to trick fellow hebrews into permanent slavery!
Want to read verse 17 for us?
It did, of course escape you, that not only slavery was permissible for your god, no, there was even injustice within the system of gods slavery: Heathen slaves had less rights than hebrew slaves!

Do you deny that your god commanded, in Leviticus (Deuteronomy and Exodus), humans to own another human as property?
Do you hold this as being morally permissible?

You cant! Your religious programming is blocking your brain, by becoming rather dishonest and evasive, than admitting what is painfully obvious. Thats what you allowed religion to do to your mind. It made you an ignorant LIAR!!

How do i know you are a liar!?

Dtruthspeaker:


Leviticus 25 is one the origins of Labour Laws and Contracts. Contract dictates that all debts must be paid, therefore, following a persons inability to satisfy a debt, therefore people offered themselves to the service of the creditor .exactly like washing plates today when you fall to pay for food in a canteen.

Which is immoral too!

Evidence for lying #1: Lying by omission

Therefore, Leviticus 25 is setting down what must happen in this case specially verse 43 even declares God being against any and every form of oppression

Is owning another human being as property a form of oppression? ...as described in the very next verse, which you left conveniently out, you slimy liar!

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves

Evidence for lying #2:

So, I have to be in your debt first before I can become your slave or servant.

Wasnt it "bondsmen" a day ago!?

But to answer just a short and quick one, first change your Bible to KJV and see that Leviticus 25 deliberately said "bondsmen and bondsmaid" AND NOT SLAVES.

And in that Leviticus 25 is very beautiful for me or anyone as many of us have already seen worse. My own aunt deprived me of food when I worked with her because my mom (breadwinner) retired and went abroad for greener pastures and left me in her care. My day started from 5am and ended at 11:30 to 12 midnight.

You had long, hard working days. Booo hooo. Cry me a river!
How about your aunt beats you so hard that you die within 4 days!? Because thats totally aok, according to your bible!!

You know, i dont mind your immorality, your evasions, your willful ignorance. All of this is condoned by your god.
But.please.stop.lying!!!
Because, liars go to hell!!!

Dtruthspeaker:


I answered you I told you He did not command slavery and that it is your evil Bible talking. I bet that Bible does not contain that He commands that every 7 years a person in bonds must be free and his debt (liability) cancelled.

Actually, you are finally correct. Yes, that is your "evil Bible talking". Slavery was culturally so common and accepted among the Hebrew tribes and in Middle and Far East that they simply wrote their tribal war god accepting it as well.
The bible mirrors the society in which it was written. It's not that difficult to understand.

If you claim the "God of Morals" is so moral, would you become my slave under the connditions spelled out by Leviticus 25? Or anyone elses slave for that matter,?

Dtruthspeaker:


I answered you I told you He did not command slavery and that it is your evil Bible talking. I bet that Bible does not contain that He commands that every 7 years a person in bonds must be free and his debt (liability) cancelled.

You didn't answer my questions, and you know it! Here they are again:

#1 Your god commanded slavery (or whatever you want to call it)
#2 The Law never changes (according to you)
#3 Do you agree with slavery still being morally permissible?

Remember the bold parts, in which your god commanded to keep a human being as property, to pass this human property to your children, and keep it for life?

Do you deny that your god commanded, in Leviticus, humans to own another human as property?
Do you hold this as being morally permissible?
These are simple yes or no questions!!

Dtruthspeaker:


More commonly known as the Summerian Code. Except for the hearsay claim nothing else is truly and directly known about it, especially with its extinction. So it is an unreliable source of law.

So I think it fit to stick to real-eye-able places, who still exist today as it was in the past.

The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known law code surviving today. It is from Mesopotamia and is written on tablets, in the Sumerian language c. 2100–2050 BCE.

There is a picture of the actual tablet on the wiki I linked
But, as I am in a funny mood, let's grant you are right: ur nammu never existed. Roman law is still, by far, not the oldest law we have, and it is not the only law our societies are following today, not even Christian societies.

Dtruthspeaker:

And Roman legal is the oldest of all man made laws and all other places copied from them.

Code of Ur-Nammu says hello
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu

You are wrong by ca. 2000y! Looking back from today towards Rome, thats... 100%!

Dtruthspeaker:


That is for The God of Moral to Judge!

So you, a supposed adult (or at the very least young adult) are completely incapable of knowing whether slavery is ok.
You need someone else - whom you've never seen or interacted in any demonstrable way - to tell you whether it is right or wrong to own other human beings as if they were simple tools?

There's a tool here all right. Congratulations! You are a moral vacuum who cannot tell right from wrong on his own! Lol!

Dtruthspeaker:


That is for The God of Moral to Judge! But it is sufficient to know that The God of Morals did command that "that which is good, should be done and that which is not good/evil, should not be done"

And we all know those things which are good to do or not do as separate from those things which are not good/evil, to do or not do.

So knowing this, "We each walk the path, that we've chosen" Dmx. (And shall be judged by it)

Why is it that you can not address such a simple question? Is it your religious programming that puts up a firewall?
Please try again!
#1 Your god commanded slavery (or whatever you want to call it)*
#2 The Law never changes (according to you)
#3 Do you agree with slavery still being morally permissible?

*so he basically already judged.....slavery to be a-ok

@Endtimer

The Russian patriarch supports the war. The catholic church used to TORTURE and kill people. It is malevolence borne by the ghost of Christianity in the "Western" world. Often spread at the end of swords to other parts of the world.

To claim that "benevolence", also known to the non-brain-washed (or brain-deficient) as altruism and caring about other human beings, is due to Xtianity is deeply misguided at best, outright dishonest at worst. And we all know which of those you are.

I'm not even going to mention other societies - ALL of them, really - which practiced altruism and caring about others long before your toxic, hateful mythology sprung from the primitive, misogynistic brains of goat herders. There are ANIMALS who regularly exhibit altruistic behaviours, including our closest relatives.
In no way, shape or form is your particular mental security blanket, that you're so desperately clutching at because you're too weak-minded *and* arrogant to accept your utter insignificance and terrifying transience in this universe, responsible for this type of behaviour or unique in promoting it.

At the end of the day, keep trying to appease your blinding terror at the thought of your complete disappearance form the world in a mere blink of an eye. But you - and the rest of the weak-minded like you - keep it to yourselves. Clutch at your childish blankets all you want, stop your ears and pretend the universe is like you imagine it in your childish understanding of the world and of human beings. But STOP trying to impose your inability to deal with reality on the rest of the world.

Endtimer:
First, I do not want to harm or kill anyone. That is just absurd: this is the internet so I can’t and more importantly, I don’t want to.

Why?

Dtruthspeaker:
it is people who change and not The Law.

You think it is still morally permissible to own human beings as property, to buy them, to inherit them to your children, and keep them for life?
....and, of course, beat them, unless they die within 3 days. That goes without saying.

You are either wrong, according to atheists, or immoral, according to yourself. Which one is it?