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@Logicboy paddy just provide credible sources for the information you just provide. Haba na wa u oh?

Shebi na u dey always shout abt evidence...

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Logicboy: Ibo and Hausa members of Boko Haram bombed the church in Abuja

Anony: Wow I didn't know that there were Ibo Boko Haramists bombing churches. Can you name these Ibo Boko Haramists.

Logicboy: Emeka Obinna and Chinedu Okeke

Anony: Wow but you've only given me Ibo names. This doesn't prove that they are Terrorists. Please tell me your sources so I can investigate them.

Logicboy: Google it.

Anony: But google is not a source.

Logicboy: You are lazy and delusional. I will not give you my sources.[/quote]Lol

Sincerely if my girlfriend was in bed with me and I suspect the house is being burgled the 1st thing to do LOGICALLY

1. Grab my piece
2.Ascertain the relative position of my girlfriend so she won't be cut in the crossfire that might ensue.
3.Warn the intruder that I am armed
4. Fire awayyyyy!!!!

Personally I think the evidence and circumstances against Oscar suggests premeditated murder.I don't believe his story.

He is still assumed innocent until proven guilty,for it is better to let 1000 guilty people free,that to wrongly convict an innocent man

Logicboy03: There is a positive correlation with atheism and peace/human development

Logicboy you know this has been thoroughlt discussed and its not even close to being true.

Lol


www.nairaland.com/1188856/more-concerned-africa-than-salvation/1

nep2ra: Yet you haven't explained the correlation between Nigeria's religiosity and the high rate of corruption and wickedness.

There is no relationship between reliogiosity and corruption in Nigeria.

I now put it to you,
Do you think that there is a relationship between atheism and low level of corruption?

Kmcutez you really are a piece of work!!! Lol

Feisty aint you?

Arise Sir Logicboy the knight and defender of anything(I believe you just dote on attention).
You will never concede to a loss even if the evidence struck square and fair in the face. LMAO .

Deepsight refuted your arguments with your words and you are shouting blue murder?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Yeah I couldn't see the ad hominen in bold red letters[/quote]Sir. Logicboy will still point out how those words attack the argument and not the man!!! Lol

kmcutez: Striklymi did that to me yesterday and i called him out, but he just kept exposing his stupidity, so i left him to his vomit. Anony and DeepSight reminds me of Davidylan, long, boring and uninspiring posts with a hint of narcissism, so i do not bother to read their posts anymore.

Simply point out the false premises and/or the illogical conclusions of his logic.

Ad hominem is really an established fallacy in argument and that word and concept was not coined by Anony.

Logicboy03: Conceded what point? Why are you foolishly dubious?


The scientists had to prove that their claim was true. Burden of proof is on the claimant

I give up! You have no point, just dubious and more dubious argument.


You have tried to remix it to say that the scientist have to go to the church and prove that the church was wrong. No. The scientists only have to prove that their own scientific claims were true.


You and Anony have this sickeness. It is a delusion. This is why you guys never argue straight. Looking for dubious twists and turns just to lie that the brden of proof is not on the claimant.

You twisted words here and there over 4 comments just to reach your conclusion.


Fucktards.

Easy on the ad hominem...

Attack the argument not the man.

Logicboy03: Even Enigma has nailed Anony and Deepsight that dont want to shift the burden of proof to the atheist.


Imagine of Biologists started saying that creationist should prove that evolution is false? People who have evidence present it to be seen and tested. Biologist give the evidence for evolution then and there. The empty barrels that shout "God exists" always scoff and try to shift the burden of proof to the atheist "prove that god doesnt exist"!

Are all biologists evolutioists?
Is believing in the theory of evolution a prerequisite for being a biologist?

If yes, how did you get to that conclusion?

all4naija: all4naija: Lol... Hahaha... Religion101. I like that. Can you explain creator-that-was-never-created idea to us? God is eternal meaning God is NTHING and has no ORIGIN. It is worth nothing to be seen as a God and the reason it fail woefully yo correct many imperfections of nature.

Please, can you put you question rightly so that I can answer it accordingly?


You never answer my question as in creator-that-was-never-created idea. Which we are coming back to.


I know origin of life boils down to the fundamental particles.

Sorry for not answering your question, the creator that was not created simply means the supreme being that made all things and He himself was not made.

Please can eternity be equated to nothing?

In physics energy cannot be created nor destroyed (I am not saying God is energy) therefore according to the laws of physics energy is eternal, can you by your own logic say energy is nothing?

Solozzo: The biggest problem to atheists and religionists as well is that the religionists describe their god in human terms- a big king on a throne above in man's image. Yet they find it impossible to explain how he is omnipotent, omniscience and never had a beginning. They, the religionists have no idea about the vastness of the universe, it's laws, evolution and so on relying on myths written ages ago to explain everything. The fact that we do not know for sure about how this God in terms of his origins, power source etc, if there is a God or not nor we know the necessity for his existence as things naturally exist as we know them. A being that caused the existence of stars that are millions of times bigger than the earth for existence cannot be limited by size of a throne. Laugh out loud.

Our concept if a creator that made us superior to other creatures is a reflection of our narcissism, greed and ignorance.

Since we cannot define God and do not know about God's qualities for now, let us stop formulating myths about him and study nature and live by its laws and rules. Stop deceiving people you religionists.

If I am correct you are agnostic,right?


Also according to you 'we 'cannot define God, Note the pronoun 'We' , please what noun does this pronoun 'we' represent in your statement?

all4naija: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by God in the first place.

I thought I had already defined God.

Creator that was not created,the Logos, the beginning and the end, the alpha and Omega, I could go on and on.


As an atheist it is automatic that my explanation of the our origin is null and void to you, so I ask you again(incase your first Jehovah withness answer was just cynical),

What do you know as the origin of life?

all4naija: Okay, like Jehovah Witness. I don't know. How do we get here? What is the origin of life? I mean factual, no preaching.

How do you differentiate factual and preaching? Lol

I say God made the heavens and the earth,the universe and all therein.

What sayest thou?

all4naija: You are right. My opinion is philosophical in that comment. Thank you for that correction

I multi-task often and leave out something unique sometimes(as my only excuse here). Yes, on the scientific side is that it doesn't pass the science systematic structure of observable physical and natural laws of nature, test, proofs,interaction,etc.

I believe he doesn't for those reason I stated earlier. You belief is your opinion and you need to prove it with facts.

Your post hasn't stated any scientific discrepancy with God.

Well let me move us forward, how did we get here? What is the origin of life?

all4naija: It doesn't require even a grader to know that imperfect can come from perfect.


To you your question. It is due to the fact what religionists say about God non-limitless, perfect, loving and all encompassing. Whereas nature we find ourselves(as we know it to be)is imperfect, that alone is questionable. And, many discrepancies and contradicting things in the religion books not only limit their Gods but prove nothing like that exist at all.Even with the one with our own environment, earth.

Okay I have no case with you (I believe God exists) because you either do not know how science points out to the NON-EXISTENCE of God or you have willfully decided not to divulge that information.Your answer is a philosophical point of view which is not what I asked.

ifeness: There is a part of the Jewish Torah that called black people Animals. This part was removed before selling religion to africans. They and the arabs gave is problematic religion and took our lands.( Algeria,morocco,south Africa belongs to the blacks

Religion is the reason we are having this conversation

Reason they took us as slaves to do hard labour in Europe and America

Reason the belgian cut of the right hands of 10 million congolese

For clarity sake so that anyone viewing this argument can process the information being sent across on both sides.
I implore you(if you please) to respond to my posts as I have done to yours in a constructive manner.

So I can respond accordingly thank you.

ifeness: I am not saying i am certain,however if discovered archeological findings,pyramids and ancient scrolls are anything to go by, that would be a probable explanation.

Please to which of my questions is this answer applicable to?

ifeness: I am not saying kids shouldn't go to school . I remember my days at school we were being taught that we had 7 planets. Several planets have been discovered after that. Which means we are extremely short on information.

Please what did you then mean by these statments and I quote,"The fact is we all learn what they want us to know in
our schools,churches etc.
The best way to learn is by one's self"

ifeness: Science is getting better and moving forward. It is vital kids learn because they will carry the scientific badge in future.

I agree with you that science is improving on a daily basis.
Again how does this substantiate any of the theories you put forward,secret labs,alien sightings etc?

ifeness: When i say government, i meant the US and Europe not Nigeria.

Are you assuming that it is only the US and Europe that conduct research?

And how are also sure that if America and European governments and millitary conduct research that the Nigerian goverment has no such research facilities?

Anyway disregard the other questions on 'our government and scientist' tangent, I just wanted to point out some false premises that arrived at there.
you asnwered my question on the 'our scientists and governments' you were referring to comment.

davidylan: I hope you are not expecting an answer? You'll be waiting till you're 90.

Lol

ifeness: During 2nd world war, the american airforce landed their aircraft on an isolated island inhabited by natives that hadnt been exposed to medern civilization. They worshiped the 3 pilots as gods becos they came from the sky. Why? Becos they claimed their gods do come from the sky with similar vessles. Same applies to ancient men who wrote the bible.

I must disagree with you that this analogy is fallacious and does nto surfice on the following point,
You have assumed that the ancient men who wrote the bible saw ariel vehicles and worshipped the pilots.
And clearly that was not what was recorded historically of the men that wrote the bible.

I implore you to be more lucid in your points and analogies.

codeaddict: my problem with arguing with christians...

I understand how you feel about this statement.

But I hope you understand afew things
1. My believe in God stems from the bible and I never made any claim of physical evidence of God,therefore it is only logical that on issues of the definition of God that I must define Him according to what I believe is His word, the bible.

2. I believe that the bible is the direct word of God.

Well then my only question this night or perhaps morning is, Is science opposed to the existence of the Christian God? If so,please breifly explain how?

ifeness: Our scientists and governments are yet to admit to such knowledge . Are you aware that the military are 40 years more advance than the rest of us? That way they are in control of the planet.

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It will be dumb of me to assume I know everything.
I am enthused to learn more from you.
Who are you referring to by 'our scientists' and governments?

How are you privy to topclass military information? As an atheist,I am afraid I will have to hold you by ur own standards,where is the evidence?

ifeness: What we are talking about here is advanced science not yet taught in school. Do you know the atrocities being committed in AREA 54? The scientist are being accused of mixing human DNA with those of dolphins. If they govt admit to aliens out there, they will lose control of the sheep population.

Have you heard of conspiracy theories? Respectfully I think that is what the above statements are riddled with.



Any way How does this not make the multiverse a hypothesis?

ifeness: The fact is we all learn what they want us to know in our schools,churches etc.

The best way to learn is by one's self

And again how did you establish that FACT?
So then are you advocating that we shouldn't let our kids go to school?

I am finding difficult to follow your argument.

Please do you consider yourself an atheist?

all4naija: In other words, I mean they can there could equally be lower intelligence out there. Due to the claim of many planets found recently to be earth like that can support life. It is more like theories. I am not saying they exist. I am saying if they do they are equally part of nature.

Try to get my point clear. I am not supporting any shitty God of Gods.

Thank you.

Lol I understand,was the shitty neccessary?

If I may ask since obviously you don't believe in creation.

How then was the earth formed?

ifeness: You know its all based on frequencies. A 3rd dimensional being cannot sense such reality unless they upgrade to a 4rd dimensional being( anyone can google 4rd dimension if they wanna know about it. Its physics! ). We have ranging from highest order: consciousness,spirit and matter. We live in a multidimensional universe. Obviously people of lower density cannot see what you see.

I hope you do understan that we have not explored most of our solar system which is part of the milky way which is about 90.000 light years in diameter.which is part of a bigger universe?

Do you know that the multiverse is a HYPOTHESIS?

all4naija: Lol... Hahaha... Religion101. I like that. Can you explain creator-that-was-never-created idea to us? God is eternal meaning God is NTHING and has no ORIGIN. It is worth nothing to be seen as a God and the reason it fail woefully yo correct many imperfections of nature.

Please, can you put you question rightly so that I can answer it accordingly?

God is perfect according to the bible did He promise that the earth will be perfect? No He didn't according to the bible.

But anyway my question (before we diverge on tangents) is how does science make d idea of A christian God impossible?

Billyonaire: We are together in this, I am also here an a former atheist, now Supra-theist, to proof to all atheist of the existences beyond these semesters on Earth, I have personally interacted with higher energy beings and the knowledge of the things I know are largely not yet discovered on this lower plane of existence.

So then you don't believe in a 'sky daddy' like Sir.Logicboy will say but you belive in multiple 'Sky daddies?

So what is your case against God?

all4naija: I must say higher intelligence exist out there in the universe(which I think can be possible due to evidence of human make-up and existence)then, they are equally parts of nature and are nothing spiritual as people are trying to put the idea into us believing they are our creators.

Dear Sir, based on this part of your statement, as an atheist you belive in empirical and physical evidence that can be recognized by the five senses. Am I right?

How can you then arrive at that conclusion soley based on the human make-up and existence?

ezme: I believe in gravity because I can prove it and I have witnessed it several times.

Let the Christian prove the existence of God, also the atheist should prove there is no God.

^^^ I think this is the crux of the matter, not all the 20 pages of banter.

Christianity is a belief system,by your analogy can we also conclude that atheism is also a belief system?

all4naija: First of all, thank you. Define God for us? How and why it exist?

Definition:simply put He is the creator that was not created.
How and why He exists? God is eternal if He has always existed His origin can never be questioned because he has always existed. N:B I am writing in relation to the God in the bible.

How does this use science to refute God? Please I may ask.

God and science are not alternate explanations,a mechanic in Nigeria knowing how a honda engine works,repairing,maintaining that engine does not 'explain away' the causative agent of that engine which is the designer.

I am yet to hear how science shows that God does not exist

BeraBera: I'm not in support of the murder at all. But come to think of it, the truth is that majority of the women who are victims of domestic violence actually provoke their husbands/ boyfriends to uncontrollable anger. They nag, scream, shout, insult, abuse their men and call them names. And we know that men are egoistic, they like being the one in charge, and don't tolerate anything that undermines their ego. So sometimes, in order to shut the shouting woman up, they end up beating them up or eventually killing them.
Whenever you hear a case of domestic violence, first ask what led to it, you will always realize that there was a heated argument in which sometimes, the women involved say all sorts of things to their men and even dare the men to kill them: "YOU MUST KILL ME TODAY"

so are now saying that in some circumstances that is not murder (you are clearly not in support of murder) that abuse is justified?

If yes why so?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, this would have made sense if the bible and the quran were the same book. Unfortunately they are not.

I find it a bit weird that rather than you pointing out precisely what you think is wrong with a particular worldview, you would rather equate two different worldviews to each other. If this is the "critical thinking" that you did, then I'm afraid it is faulty[/quote]The way you argue Mr.Anony is absolutely phenomenal...