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Image123:
Again, nobody was hinting on your physical blindness. i linked you to the post where i got that and the post wasn't talking about physical blindness. If you think truth is about not tithing or tithing agric produce, it's unfortunate for you to discover that as truth. If tithing is spiritual blindness, praise the Lord, there are no worries. But the worry is that hypocrisy is spiritual blindness, bitterness and dishonesty is spiritual blindness, hatred and malice is spiritual blindness/ these among other things is what i find consistent with most antitithers on the forum. They have no worries with these traits as long as they are antitithe. You guys have indeed missed the mark and deceived yourselves so much you believe a lie. Go and ask God to show you Truth, you would appreciate it. i'm out

Image123:
Brother, help me ask them why oil and wine are agricultural and paper money isn't.

Bidam:
A simple common sense really. God NEVER gave man paper money. He gave man LAND as seen from the garden of Eden. It will be foolhardy for God to require paper money from man which is a medium of exchange or a legal tender used instead of the conventional and unorthodox trade by barter used for centuries.

A man's wealth is measured in land acquisition never in coins or paper money. Like i told zikkyy, the antithing mantraa of the tithes being ONLY agric is false and an error, no one is stopping the tither from SELLING a piece LAND( Joseph) and using a medium of exchange called money to give the Apostles(Acts 4:36). Abraham tithes was NEVER AGRIC. Everything we have on EARTH is gotten from land whether paper money,gold, diamond, oil, corn, wine etc. even man and animal was created from the dust of the earth.

The key word is WHETHER. leviticus is NOT a definition of tithe. Let's look at it once again.

Leviticus 27:30-33,

"And all the tithe of the land (God is taking to the children of Israel), [size=16pt]whether[/size] of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lords: it is holy unto the Lord. And if a man will redeem aught of his tithe, he shall add unto it a fifth part thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and that for which it is changed shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed."

Whether is a conjunction word used in indirect questions or used to offer CHOICES OR ALTERNATIVES. If it's the tither choice to offer his tenth as money to God so be it. Abel's offerings can't be the same as Cain. Jacob's vow of tithe can't be the same as Abraham. Even the Levites tithed through Abraham. In other words it predated the LAW and your life, just as Jesus predated the LAW.

If you want to use another lame and weak argument like circumcisions you can go ahead but also you will be ready to shun all dubious claims on marriage, worship, clothing and human government which have their foundation in the book of Genesis and since we know Christianity has its roots from Judaism you cannot discard one while holding on to the rest.

Moses wrote Genesis and Apart from Christ no MAN has the revelation of what God intends for his people like Moses not even Paul.

dj5naira:
God bless you.

vooks:
Here is an excellent and simplified account of what tithing meant to Jews.
Tithing from scriptures and history was without exception agricultural. Let tithers explain who mandated them to refine/modify it to include money while restricting it to 10% and not 20% per annum and another 10% every third year
http://www.thejournal.org/studylibrary/tithe-in-the-bible/three-tithes-of-israel.html

MarkMiwerds:
Yes, the issue was answered by me. Image just refuses to accept the Biblical proofs and undeniable facts.



Proof: Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
Leviticus 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

Fact: God did not say 'And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, or of thy silver, thy gold, or thy wages is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.' He said the tithe consisted of crops and livestock... nothing else.


Proof: Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Numbers 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

Numbers 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

Numbers 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

Deuteronomy 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deuteronomy 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Nehemiah 10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.
Nehemiah 10:38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

Fact: God did not say the tithe was to go to Levites, widows, orphans, strangers in Israel & pastors on Gentile soil. His tithe was to go to people in Israel.

Proof: Deuteronomy 12:1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.

Deuteronomy 12:10 But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
Deuteronomy 12:11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:

Fact: God said tithe was to be observed once the children of Israel crossed the Jordan and found rest from their enemies. They were not required to tithe until they entered Canaan.

Proof: Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Fact: God said things were to be done His way, not man's. His tithe was to be agricultural, to the Levites, widows, orphans and strangers in the land that God had promised to Jacob... Canaan. They could not have tithed money. They were not to do what seemed right in their own eyes. They were to do as God commanded.

Proof: Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hebrews 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Hebrews 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Fact: The last commandment in the Bible concerning tithes, they are still the property of the sons of Levi. They are still according to the Law; i.e., agricultural.

Fact: There is not one iota of Scripture that ever commands anyone to tithe money to Tabernacle, Temple, or Church.

Fact: In the Bible, tithes were never carried to the New Testament Church, tithes were never collected in the New Testament Church, and tithes were never controlled by the New Testament Church.

MarkMiwerds:
Yes, the issue was answered by me. Image just refuses to accept the Biblical proofs and undeniable facts.



Proof: Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
Leviticus 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

Fact: God did not say 'And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, or of thy silver, thy gold, or thy wages is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.' He said the tithe consisted of crops and livestock... nothing else.


Proof: Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Numbers 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

Numbers 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

Numbers 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

Deuteronomy 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deuteronomy 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Nehemiah 10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.
Nehemiah 10:38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

Fact: God did not say the tithe was to go to Levites, widows, orphans, strangers in Israel & pastors on Gentile soil. His tithe was to go to people in Israel.

Proof: Deuteronomy 12:1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.

Deuteronomy 12:10 But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
Deuteronomy 12:11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:

Fact: God said tithe was to be observed once the children of Israel crossed the Jordan and found rest from their enemies. They were not required to tithe until they entered Canaan.

Proof: Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Fact: God said things were to be done His way, not man's. His tithe was to be agricultural, to the Levites, widows, orphans and strangers in the land that God had promised to Jacob... Canaan. They could not have tithed money. They were not to do what seemed right in their own eyes. They were to do as God commanded.

Proof: Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hebrews 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Hebrews 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Fact: The last commandment in the Bible concerning tithes, they are still the property of the sons of Levi. They are still according to the Law; i.e., agricultural.

Fact: There is not one iota of Scripture that ever commands anyone to tithe money to Tabernacle, Temple, or Church.

Fact: In the Bible, tithes were never carried to the New Testament Church, tithes were never collected in the New Testament Church, and tithes were never controlled by the New Testament Church.

Image123:
Who and where stated emphatically that people could not tithe money? On the rest of your post, we've been through the agrarian economy explanation severally. People do business with gold and barrels of oil. It's more common and convenient today to do exchanges with cash. It was more common and traditional to live with agricultural produce than silver. Consider the times.

Image123:
Thanks for trying to help me. However, the little of the absolute nothing that i know is good enough for me and my house.
1Co 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.



Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Deu 14:27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

Here is one reason why i usually say that new comers should read previous and similar thread topics on this issue. i doubt if the old hands would come up with this lines even as staunch and avowed antitithers. Even the NL forum rules encourage your reading through and research before typing and opening new topics. We've discussed it severally, there were at three DIFFERENT tithes that the Israelites gave. The passage above is one. Verse 28 and 22 make reference to another two types of tithe. The one they were to turn to money due to distance was to be eaten by the tither. It wasn't given OUT/AWAY. Again read me carefully instead of twisting or forcing my words. God never had any qualms with non-agricultural tithes in the Bible.




Again, these are your opininons and you have a right to them. However, stop passing them off as bible or divine instructions.



Your concerns are duly noted. Please, try to express yourself as shortly as possible and at least with Bible verses. That way, it helps your teaching. The healthy way for humans to study the Bible(or anything i suppose) is to have a well rounded view and perspective, as against a one sided or lopsided opinion or perspective. If you want to study anything, topic or person in the Bible, you look at it wholly in making your deductions.
For instance, to study the crucifixion, one should AT LEAST look at all four gospels and their accounts. Then you can bring it together to understand, know and perhaps explain all that happened and that Jesus said on the cross etc. If i just took only Matthew or only Mark and turned a blind bigoted eye on the other gospels and even other correlating scriptures, i would not be doing the best in having a balanced and complete view. i break it down for example in these passages below;

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Mat 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Mar 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Joh 19:24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the Scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.

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These 4 verses are saying something that one would/should understand better after considering ALL the four verses. One may come to wrong conclusions using just one of the verses, especially the first three. It's the same basic principle on any topic or subject. For instance, God If you read Genesis, one would/should see that God is the Creator, God is the Judge of the earth etc. But everything about God is not in Genesis. Some other scriptures would bring one to more understanding and perspective, like God is a merciful God, God is Trinity, God is Holy, God is Love etc. It's the same microcosm and principle employed when studying anything in the Bible. You want to study faith, Paul, love, Heaven, angels, tithes. you don't just take one verse and ignore the rest. That is how Bible study is done, or should be done. Try to employ these principles in your studies. i cannot help you much any other way.

Image123:
Aren't you twisting my words a bit, did i say "increase of all things"? Increase and maybe savings is what is used to buy new clothing, new furniture etc. Once tithe is given of your INCOME which is your INCREASE, that is already settled.
'believe-ability' is relative. Let's stick with what the Bible says, not what you choose as believable. ALSO, God didn't say anywhere that His holy tithe was ONLY agricultural. He never had any qualms with non-agricultural tithes in the Bible, that's the point.

Image123:
You are hardly reading what i'm saying but asking the same set of questions like a programmed robot. Please think or make an attempt to. If you are interested in discussing, i would find time to, but if you are just interested in replying or regurgitations, i would ignore you. i don't give a hoot if you ever give anything to God apart from your being born again. i'm not here to beg you to tithe or not to. And please, it would help if we post shorter stuff, folks tend to get lost and not get much from unnecessarily long posts. So, to your reply;


i have made NO ASSERTIONS.




What tradition are we talking about? Vooks has been the one very much interested in the leper and his gifts, maybe you should address your concerns to him.


Are you exaggerating, lying or saying the truth? Please list the million and one evidence that Jesus' followers never paid tithe. That is the assertion and extremism that i have being talking about yet again. It is unfounded and baseless, and has already been addressed if you cared to read. If i re-address it again now, you will glibly say something like they were jews. You didn't know or remember that they were jews before asserting(i guess i have said that word so much that it has become a cliche and the meaning is lost on you fellows, please check your dictionary and stop these childish assertions) that Jesus'followers NEVER tithed?

Now, i would answer all your questions being a first timer as it were in discussing with me. i will not be detailed as most of what you are asking have been asked and addressed previously and severally. i'm not here on any examination, neither am i your holy spirit. If you need teaching, ask Him. i'm here to discuss if you can.


Yes, christians are priests and kings. The OT priest is a picture and a shadow of what we are. you should not run away from or deny or try to hide your shadow, that would border on insanity.


What is the meaning and relevance of this? Anyway, Jesus was subject to levite priests while here on earth. He attended their feasts and programmes, offered the sacrifices needed and fulfilled their laws.



What do you mean by operate? Jesus was here on earth with levite priests operating. He still operates till tomorrow.
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.



Tithing is not for remission of sins. Father, give me the patience.



No, it doesn't. Holy and sinless Jesus was subject to His sinful and imperfect parents and to authority around Him. he respected government, He respected people, He gave tribute, He observed passover and other such things. He was born in a manger.



What? This is extrabiblical stuff, right? Where do you find this, who told you or how do you come to this conclusion? Some people actually liked this post? As in, they agree with what you are saying?


Tithe was paid in the temple and the cities. Judaism and christianity were also practised in the temple and in the cities. Do you know that Paul the apostle had sacrifices offered for him as a christian?


IF.
Early christians gave and were encouragged to give like their jewish counterparts.
1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

They gave purposefully, bountifully, cheerfully, graciously and proportionally. That is how clear the Bible is.



Lol.


What is Judaism? Is worship of God a judaism practice? Is honouring one's parent a judaism practice? Are mercy, faith and justice judaism practices? Is not having another person's wife a judaism practice? Is tithing a judaism practice?


Where is his story found so that i can be sure i read what you expect me to have read? Did Paul/Saul pay tithe? Oh, he was a farmer right? Pardon me, i didn't know.


What? Are these the expo for the coming CRK exams? i'm not offering the subject oh.


You tell us the lessons we MUST learn. So, there are lessons about tithe from Paul, hmmm. Some antitithers are of the opinion that the New Testament doesn't even talk abot tithes or offer any such lessons, please help us enlighten them.


i don't know why anyone would do that, what do you think?


i have no idea. What practices are those?


Sighs, i have issues and difficulties speaking for people that i hardly know. How can i say why who i don't know is doing what i don't know?


Exactly bro. Jesus Christ NEVER condemned tithes in the scriptures. instead, He encouraged it and we ought to walk even as He walked, right? These things OUGHT TO BE DONE and not to leave the others undone, ring a bell?


You seem to have a degree or certificate in the study of sin? ALL these sins that you conjure up and even call great sins. Are you the christ we have been looking for? Where do you get these views?



Fake pastors, do pay attention. this information seems to be addressed to you guys. Oh, and some fellows called ourselves.


Wonder no more brother, tithes is a little matter that has no weight compared to heavier weightier matters OF THE LAW like mercy and faith and judgement. tithes is a big matter in the heart of many antithers. They make ministries, callings and blogs to talk about tithe. They determine who is a true believer and who is not by tithes. They wate their lives fighting, antagonising and criticising a matter that has little weight. That is the wonder. well, Jesus said to expect many fake wonders and not be moved by them.


To whom it may concern.

Image123:
i'm a tither, and i said that Anybody can decide what he wants to do with his income. . i know some other tithers, sorry for mentioning your names like Olaadegbu, Gombs, Alwaystrue, Bidam, and some others. i'm supposing nlmediator and nannymcphee would be tithers. i do not know how many of them including me, that you can point to or show that they proclaim curses on antitithers. Unfortunately, my post that you are replying remains true in its saying that antitithers look down on those of us that tithe. That is what all the antitithers here do.





Can you tell us then what Peter gave after Pentecost till death? At least, you claim to have SUFFICIENT evidence of the early/primitive church giving both on and off scriptures to allow us to conclude what they practiced. My point is you can't tell anybody of a surety that somebody never gave a tenth whether then or now. You are not God. Believers give to God, and only Him reserves that right to conclude what anybody gave or is giving. you can't sit in some room with some softwares and internet and conclude sufficiently what happened about 2000years ago. It was not written and you cannot assert to know.




The Scribes and pharisees were said to have tithed, Jesus said so Himself. If Scribes who are more literate and 'office' jobs than capentry are tithing, nothing stops Jesus the carpenter's son from not tithing. Former Nigerian President Obasanjo was a military man and also a known farmer. Being a carpenter is not mutually exclusive to farming as to assert that Jesus could not have tithed. i'm aware of many graduates and workers in Nigeria who have farms, fish farms, piggery, poultry etc. What then is so special and remote to anybody in an agrarian economy having a farm or garden? Now, by the way, there is no viable document or fact that says that Jews tithed agricultural produce from Israel alone. Or that some people are not eligible to tithe. It is not written anywhere in the Bible but a product of the antitither's imagination.



Good to see you left your unfounded assertions about what people being healed give God. i'm not in a position to prescribe what anybody gives God, but not to belabour you, here is the passage in question.
Mat 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshiped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Mat 8:3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
Mat 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, show thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

You can see that Jesus did not prescribe animal offerings for the leper's cleansing. The leper was already cleansed. He was to offer what needed to be done for him to be integrated back into society. He had to meet the priests and be declared fit to cohabit with others. Jesus wasn't going to break the laws of the land as they did not contradict God's laws. In the same vein, i would prescribe that all christians be subject to authority and to obey the laws of the land as long as they do not contradict the laws of God. this is a very applicable scripture and i would be following Jesus'example that way. Following Jesus doesn't mean you have to go live in Galilee or have twelve men going around with you, or wear white robes or speaking KJV english, or going into the wilderness for 40days and nights. It's more than that. May God give you understanding.


Context.
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

i know the next line on this BTW, it would most likely come from Mark or one of his cohorts.

comrChris:
just bear it in mind that you will account for any soul you are able to deceive concerning tithe with this your post

Actually you need the spirit of God if truelly you are a christian

Remember no pastor has ever forced his/her members to pay tithe,it is a things of the spirit,so therefor if you see it as afraud from your pastor to you then stop giving but stop deceiving peoples here but remember the bible instructed us not lean on our own understanding,your arguement here has been on your own understanding instead of the spirit

Thanks

adeshola1:
Matthew 22:21....Give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar & give to God want belongs to God..... Hmm....why are some of u robbing God because of greed and wrong interpretation of Scriptures.

The Bible isn't a book we have to interprete with our head as some of us as doing here but we need guidance of the Holy Spirit..

Remember... 1day..All of us will give account.of our lives & don't say someone didn't warn you about this..

PAY YOUR TITHE

Weah96:
Religion is 200% voodoo.

Human and animal sacrifices, monthly rituals in which cannibalism is symbolically glorified, oral communication with invisible entities, and invoking magic words for protection, are only a few ritual things that come to mind.

Catholics don't have to follow YOUR rituals to the letter. That's why they have their own church.

You are absolutely right indeed.Afterall The church of Satan is also a church. Like you rightly asserted,catholic church have their own church and their own christ is the pope and not jesus the Nazareen.So in all honesty I agree with you.

Image123:
i don't understand what you're saying.

InglishTeechar:
But you just replied me fool. Maybe others are scared knowing i speak nothing but the truth.

Image123:
Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

The context is verse 9.Do pastors supposedly threaten anyone with verse 10? You threatened me with proverbs and criticise others for threatening with Malachi. How you can't see that is unfortunate.

MarkMiwerds:
yes, he prides himself in tithing. Much like the Pharisee of Luke 18.

Both he and the Pharisee have their reward.

Image123:
Fable. i still give tithes, God is not complaining. Jesus says it ought to be done.

Bidam:
Does God require giving? If He doesn't require tithing according to you.

MarkMiwerds:
God would be more pleased with an anti-tither giving ten percent of his money to a widow or orphan in his community than if that anti-tither took ten percent of his money to a pastor who had a private jet and luxurious home. The widow and orphan are in greater need.

But it must be stressed once more that God does not require ten percent of that anti-tither's money.

Bidam:
Lol, and what are the other parts? Trust me, most ministers with private jets you are envying do not rely on the givings of their members. That's a story for another day. But on a serious note the reason why most people will agree to your arguments is simply because it appeals to common sense and logic. Why give to a church that has a minister who owns a private jet?

You can't beat satan at his game. He is the master schemer of logic and sensual knowledge.

gebest:
in other words, Malachi 3:10 is no longer existing!

TheShopKeeper:
A question to the pro-tithers' camp.

Do the present day Jews still pay their tithes (monetary or agricultural) & also do they still have to give firstfruit offerings?

Bidam:
Is it a command for christians to give? Since someone is more blessed if he gives than receive, can we safely conclude the result of not giving is poverty? A punishment if you look at it from that angle.

Image123:
You may need to dedicate time to reading my previous posts on tithes on this forum, i really don't have the time to babysit your types.

btoks:
Oh yes the CC believes this. Where it disagrees with you is where you think every Ola, Emeka & Danjuma can pick up the bible and erroneously interpret passages without historical context.
Without wanting to sound like a broken record, this is what has led to countless Christian Denominations, each believing it has the correct interpretation/doctrines.
Jesus set it up a particular way by creating a Church with the Holy Spirit to guide it. It is that church which has authority to bind and loose etc.